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2014-09-01 11:44:51 PM  
Hero indeed.  I'd say the most noble of his ventures has to do with taxpayer funded stadiums.

Taxpayers funding a new mega-dome for [insert team name] = Job creationTM
Taxpayers funding low-income housing = Socialism
 
2014-09-02 01:00:24 AM  
Thank goodness for guys like this.

ESPN can go fark themselves. And so can anyone feeding off the teat of ESPN.

I watched the Chik Fil A Corporate Stoogery Bowl game this weekend. A leading team in the country played its opening game for ESPN, Chik Fil A, and ABC in Atlanta instead of playing at its home stadium for its fans.
 
2014-09-02 01:02:17 AM  
I think football and soccer are dumber than gluing turds together, but blackouts are outrageous and asinine.
 
2014-09-02 01:04:29 AM  
I agree with him, but his detractors,  Jim Badenemy.and Bob Asshole disagree.
 
2014-09-02 01:06:47 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Thank goodness for guys like this.

ESPN can go fark themselves. And so can anyone feeding off the teat of ESPN.

I watched the Chik Fil A Corporate Stoogery Bowl game this weekend. A leading team in the country played its opening game for ESPN, Chik Fil A, and ABC in Atlanta instead of playing at its home stadium for its fans.


Le sigh.

/Hotty Toddy
 
2014-09-02 01:07:19 AM  

Another win for -

mises.org

 
2014-09-02 01:09:09 AM  
Not such a Goodfriend...to the NFL.
 
2014-09-02 01:11:03 AM  
Money has somehow corrupted sports?  Say it ain't so, Joe.
 
2014-09-02 01:13:30 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Money has somehow corrupted sports?  Say it ain't so, Joe.


What's the spread on that?
 
2014-09-02 01:13:51 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Money has somehow corrupted sports?  Say it ain't so, Joe.


It's a safe bet he's unavailable for comment

bioproj.sabr.org
 
2014-09-02 01:20:15 AM  
Good luck with that.
 
2014-09-02 01:31:14 AM  
 
2014-09-02 01:36:41 AM  
The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.
 
2014-09-02 01:38:22 AM  
I hope he wins.  I have zero interest in sports and am not happy my tax money is used to build a stadium for the millionaire sports franchise owners, then they give these same millionaire assholes a tax break.

When they threaten to move the team to another city the only acceptable response is, "bye, asshole".
 
2014-09-02 01:38:35 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Thank goodness for guys like this.

ESPN can go fark themselves. And so can anyone feeding off the teat of ESPN.

I watched the Chik Fil A Corporate Stoogery Bowl game this weekend. A leading team in the country played its opening game for ESPN, Chik Fil A, and ABC in Atlanta instead of playing at its home stadium for its fans.


Leading team???
 
2014-09-02 01:39:24 AM  

thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.


You obviously have no idea what a non-profit business is.
 
2014-09-02 01:46:37 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2013/11/25/stadiums-tax p ayers/3663541/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/11/stadium-fi na ncing

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/01/poll_americans_dislik e_ public-funded_stadiums_and_tax_breaks_for_nfl_teams.html


The beautiful thing about it is that once the taxpayer funds between 51-95% of it, some corporation gets to have it named after them.

Because freedom.
 
2014-09-02 01:49:48 AM  

thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.


Or maybe we can all simply point and laugh at the moron who doesn't know what the meaning of non-profit actually is
 
2014-09-02 01:50:54 AM  

doyner: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2013/11/25/stadiums-tax p ayers/3663541/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/11/stadium-fi na ncing

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/01/poll_americans_dislik e_ public-funded_stadiums_and_tax_breaks_for_nfl_teams.html

The beautiful thing about it is that once the taxpayer funds between 51-95% of it, some corporation gets to have it named after them.

Because freedom.


Meh, if any tom dick or harry could be in on the naming, they'd probably just name it after someone who took gubbamint handouts.

Cellular One is better than people.
 
2014-09-02 01:52:21 AM  

Russ1642: thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.

You obviously have no idea what a non-profit business is.


This is where you point out they can make obscene profits and still be within the letter of the law, not the spirit of non-profits but the laws on non-profits.

I worked for a hospital that used the same tatics. Scare the small town into shiatty tax cuts and helping build wings on the hospital, and at the end of the year they would give raises, or buy everyone in a department laptops to get rid of the excess cash.

Non-profits are not meant to be huge profit churning device that is selling to consumers, to producers, and using said clot to bully industry.

Tell me why they need non-profit status and then we can have a talk about it. The NFL tactics up to this point have been to rake in all the cash, and thrust the main source of cost(stadiums, parking garages) onto the public.

The NFL can fark right off. I like football, but goddamn if they don't try their best to fark it up.
 
2014-09-02 01:54:20 AM  
Nothing like going down to Seahawk Qwest CenturyLink Field, pay a small fortune for tickets and parking, get frisked like a felon, bags searched, over price beer, no shelter* from rain. snow, drizzle to watch unending TV timeouts, game stops, timeouts.

Screw the NFL.  Nice to get 7+ hours back each Sunday.

*we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.
 
2014-09-02 01:55:33 AM  

ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.

Or maybe we can all simply point and laugh at the moron who doesn't know what the meaning of non-profit actually is


Spirit of the law vs. Letter of the law.

The owners of each team are millionaires and have a shell company that is a non-profit they all hide behind.

They are money grubbing assholes that are ruining a sport, but by all means, lets argue the meaning of non-profit instead of talking about why they are one.
 
2014-09-02 01:57:55 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.


I voted against it for all the good it did. Though I'm guessing the election was a formality.
 
2014-09-02 02:06:11 AM  
The local college wants to build a new stadium here - with taxpayer money of course.  I'm not following too closely, but the last I read the football fanatics were losing.

I don't mind funding higher education with taxes, but I do mind funding the football industry with taxes
 
2014-09-02 02:10:19 AM  

thiefofdreams: ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.

Or maybe we can all simply point and laugh at the moron who doesn't know what the meaning of non-profit actually is

Spirit of the law vs. Letter of the law.

The owners of each team are millionaires and have a shell company that is a non-profit they all hide behind.

They are money grubbing assholes that are ruining a sport, but by all means, lets argue the meaning of non-profit instead of talking about why they are one.


No you simply have absolute no clue wtf you are talking about

The NFL corporate office is a non-profit simply because they spend all their money back on the corporation and open their books to prove it, that is the very definition of a non-profit.   Every individual team, their owners as well as Goodell & his minions in the corporate office all pay taxes.
 
2014-09-02 02:24:18 AM  

doyner: Hero indeed.  I'd say the most noble of his ventures has to do with taxpayer funded stadiums.

Taxpayers funding a new mega-dome for [insert team name] = Job creationTM
Taxpayers funding low-income housing = Socialism


Aaand done in one.
 
2014-09-02 02:26:58 AM  

whidbey: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.

I voted against it for all the good it did. Though I'm guessing the election was a formality.


And this is why the NBA doesn't want to give a new Supersonics to Chris Hansen, he's going to pay for the stadium with his money. That screws up everything for every other owner.
 
2014-09-02 02:28:58 AM  

whither_apophis: whidbey: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.

I voted against it for all the good it did. Though I'm guessing the election was a formality.

And this is why the NBA doesn't want to give a new Supersonics to Chris Hansen, he's going to pay for the stadium with his money. That screws up everything for every other owner.


You mean he's going to tell them...to have a seat over there?
 
2014-09-02 02:38:51 AM  

whidbey: whither_apophis: whidbey: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.

I voted against it for all the good it did. Though I'm guessing the election was a formality.

And this is why the NBA doesn't want to give a new Supersonics to Chris Hansen, he's going to pay for the stadium with his money. That screws up everything for every other owner.

You mean he's going to tell them...to have a seat over there?


If it was that Chris Hansen he'd have enough blackmail material to get three teams.
 
2014-09-02 02:47:24 AM  
They need to force owners to finance stadiums themselves, there are several owners who could finance it themselves without even calling a bank. For those who'd need outside financing, it needs to be totally private financing. Also rules about team sales, that need to go for all leagues. Like all sales must be cash only, no borrowed money of any kind. If you can't write a check for the price of a team using only your own personal money, no team for you. MLB royally screwed up the sale of the Cubs allowing a deal that was so insanely leveraged that now they're spending money to pay off the debt instead of on the roster.
 
2014-09-02 02:48:22 AM  
Oh and while we're at it, how about giving the players a voice in who the league commissioner is? Which of course would mean league commissioners who are actual league commissioners and not merely puppets for owners.
 
2014-09-02 03:05:18 AM  

ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.

Or maybe we can all simply point and laugh at the moron who doesn't know what the meaning of non-profit actually is

Spirit of the law vs. Letter of the law.

The owners of each team are millionaires and have a shell company that is a non-profit they all hide behind.

They are money grubbing assholes that are ruining a sport, but by all means, lets argue the meaning of non-profit instead of talking about why they are one.

No you simply have absolute no clue wtf you are talking about

The NFL corporate office is a non-profit simply because they spend all their money back on the corporation and open their books to prove it, that is the very definition of a non-profit.   Every individual team, their owners as well as Goodell & his minions in the corporate office all pay taxes.


What tax bracket are they paying again? I am sorry I am not going to conjure up sympathy for a group of moguls because they operate in the letter of the law. I told you I understand the letter of the law, but this is not the spirit of what non-profs were for. This has recently been addressed in a few different articles around the tubes.

The NFL is spending tons of cash back into a scheme that keeps them in complete control of the media. Hell you can't even say Superbowl without getting hit up from their lawyers.

They do not act in the best interests of the communities they operate in and are using and abusing the tax system and lobbying to have the tax payers eat the lion share of their costs.

Why do they need to be a non-profit. You didn't answer that. What is the reason they cannot like other sports orgs be for profit and pay taxes? Why do tax payers buy the arenas for multi-millionaire/billionaire?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomwatson/2014/01/30/the-real-super-bowl -q uestion-should-the-nfl-be-a-nonprofit/

"An arcane tax code change that eased the 1966 merger of the NFL with the old American Football League landed the new combined entity in section 501(c)6 of the tax code, designated as an industry association. The designation actually covers "chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade, and professional football leagues."
 
2014-09-02 03:08:28 AM  
A local billionaire wanted to build a stadium outside Los Angeles about a mile from my home. Luckily, the crappy economy pretty much killed the plan. I'm so happy. I have a crappy condo, but I didn't want to share the neighborhood with a bunch of drunken fans. They've been trying to get a team to another planned stadium, in downtown L.A., and they couldn't find a team willing to move there. L.A. has had two teams move in and move out in the past several decades. I could just see us getting a team and paying a fortune for a stadium, then losing the team to another deep-pocket city. I'd rather watch football on TV anyway.
 
2014-09-02 03:10:00 AM  

ShadowKamui: No you simply have absolute no clue wtf you are talking about

The NFL corporate office is a non-profit simply because they spend all their money back on the corporation and open their books to prove it, that is the very definition of a non-profit. Every individual team, their owners as well as Goodell & his minions in the corporate office all pay taxes.


I think what you mean by spending their money back on the corporation, you mean on multimillion dollar salaries and millions into interest bearing accounts and loans that make it appear they hold over 3/4 of a billion, yet lose money.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/131/131922622/13192 26 22_201303_990O.pdf

Customers pay the individual for-profit teams, so that money isn't a write off for the customer. If the for-profit teams donate their profit to the non-profit league, can the teams write that money off since it's going to a non-profit? If the league then, in turn, loans that same money back to the teams - doesn't this turn what would be taxable profit into a write off expense? When the teams don't pay back the "loans" from the league and the league uses this as outstanding which again appears to show they not only spent all the money back, but lost money.... It's really a vicious cycle - too much for me to understand, I'll just blame the high player salaries.
 
2014-09-02 03:21:23 AM  

WhyteRaven74: They need to force owners to finance stadiums themselves, there are several owners who could finance it themselves without even calling a bank. For those who'd need outside financing, it needs to be totally private financing. Also rules about team sales, that need to go for all leagues. Like all sales must be cash only, no borrowed money of any kind. If you can't write a check for the price of a team using only your own personal money, no team for you. MLB royally screwed up the sale of the Cubs allowing a deal that was so insanely leveraged that now they're spending money to pay off the debt instead of on the roster.


Take that reasoning one step further, if you can't pay cash for your house you can't have a house. How do you feel about that idea now?
 
2014-09-02 03:27:37 AM  
I don't like professional sports. I don't watch them. But, I did notice when ticket prices just absolutely exploded nearly overnight some years ago, players making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year started making millions and many cable companies, with Comcast in the lead, started including unwanted sports channels in their cable tiers.

One thing that also caught my attention was the acceptance of baseball hitters charging the mound and the increase of fights between teams. In my day, charging the mound was not accepted and heavy penalties could and did result.

I also didn't like the fact that billion dollar sports arenas were built using public tax money, with little if any contribution by the teams they were supposed to house. Recently I've noticed several much touted and advertised multi-million dollar stadiums becoming white elephants: left mainly to rot as their venue vanished, lured away by other sponsors.

One is the first stadium to use cloth, movable roofing.

Then, billionaires started buying and selling teams, increasing the fees for the concessionaires, which forced them to turn a $2.00 hotdog into a $7.00 one and that $3.00 beer into $12.00.

Alcohol and companies like Coca-Cola started taking over advertising within the stadium and players started making enormous amounts of money, which seems to mainly have contributed to their increasing lack of sportsmanship on the field.

My city, winter home to the Dodgers for decades, lost the team after renovating their quarters and field when a new owner appeared. He listened to proposals by the city leaders to keep Vero Beach, Florida as the traditional summer home, while quietly setting up a deal with a new stadium and quarters being built out of state.

They left, causing the city to loose multi-millions in revenue. I have pictures of Dodger Stadium in Vero from when I was about 7 years old. I also recall Hollywood coming into town to film sections of a movie they made, for Disney, I believe, decades back.

Over the years, I've seen professional sports change into basically money generators for the filthy rich owners, with sports players and entire teams bought and sold as commodities.

The fans have come in last. More than one city has built a huge, over priced stadium for teams to get them there, and a few years later, nearly before the new paint starts to chip off, the owners sell out to another city or state for a bigger fee and they move.

I never have figured out why, with something like 27 unwanted sports channels on Cable, required to be in tiers that give you entertainment above the 13 compulsory channels, many regular stations during sports season, still knock off your favorite shows to broadcast the games.

I hope this guy kicks their arses in court.
 
2014-09-02 03:28:53 AM  

thiefofdreams: ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: ShadowKamui: thiefofdreams: The NFL is a non-profit.

Until that is fixed the rest of this is stupid. Seriously, some players have the salaries of small towns and they claim to be a non-profit. Huge tax-payer stadiums, non-profit tax status, and a lock on tv rights based on whatever astrological chart they are using that day, so...

fark those guys.

Or maybe we can all simply point and laugh at the moron who doesn't know what the meaning of non-profit actually is

Spirit of the law vs. Letter of the law.

The owners of each team are millionaires and have a shell company that is a non-profit they all hide behind.

They are money grubbing assholes that are ruining a sport, but by all means, lets argue the meaning of non-profit instead of talking about why they are one.

No you simply have absolute no clue wtf you are talking about

The NFL corporate office is a non-profit simply because they spend all their money back on the corporation and open their books to prove it, that is the very definition of a non-profit.   Every individual team, their owners as well as Goodell & his minions in the corporate office all pay taxes.

What tax bracket are they paying again? I am sorry I am not going to conjure up sympathy for a group of moguls because they operate in the letter of the law. I told you I understand the letter of the law, but this is not the spirit of what non-profs were for. This has recently been addressed in a few different articles around the tubes.

The NFL is spending tons of cash back into a scheme that keeps them in complete control of the media. Hell you can't even say Superbowl without getting hit up from their lawyers.

They do not act in the best interests of the communities they operate in and are using and abusing the tax system and lobbying to have the tax payers eat the lion share of their costs.

Why do they need to be a non-profit. You didn't answer that. What is the reason they cannot like other sports orgs be for prof ...


The MLB pays taxes cause they really hate you and would rather spend money than let you look at their books in the same way the NFL is legally required to

The NFL corporate office is doing absolute nothing different than any other non-profit.

The shady loan crap is not some exclusive NFL issue, and frankly crying like an idiot about completely misunderstanding tax policy does nothing to actually help solve the real problem.
 
2014-09-02 03:31:32 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Nothing like going down to Seahawk Qwest CenturyLink Field, pay a small fortune for tickets and parking, get frisked like a felon, bags searched, over price beer, no shelter* from rain. snow, drizzle to watch unending TV timeouts, game stops, timeouts.

Screw the NFL.  Nice to get 7+ hours back each Sunday.

*we blew up a perfectly good dome so a billionaire could have a new stadium.


....aaaaaand we're done here! Thank you sir for summing it up so perfectly. I took up tailoring with my extra Sunday time and have an awesome set of threads now to show for it.
 
2014-09-02 04:25:48 AM  
Seahawk home games get blacked out in Hawaii. O.o
 
2014-09-02 04:38:24 AM  

KonaDude: Seahawk home games get blacked out in Hawaii. O.o


I thought you just watched Warriors games?
 
2014-09-02 04:48:18 AM  
The Buffalo Bill blackout is longer than people thought.  The rule states that if CBS WIVB reaches a county by analog i.e. Yates served by WIVB will black out the NFL Game if not sold out.

In 1997 the year Rich Stadium used public money to update the Stadium and change the name to Ralph Wilson Stadium they realized that WIVB reached a county from the west by one mile from the black out rule.  The NFL bylaw states if another CBS network reaches into the same county (even 15 miles away on the eastern edge) it can black out that network as well.  The county that reaches CBS WIVB on the west of said county has Chanel 5 in Syracuse reaches the other end of that county and can be seen barely on a white snowed out screen by 300 YARDS.

Ralph Wilson (who is also a lawyer) made CBS in Syracuse black out the Bills.  It got worse as Utica at that time did not a CBS Affiliate they were blacked out as well as Syracuse beamed into Utica.  So it was in effect a black out from Orchard Park to east of Utica (225 miles).

Remember Ralph Wilson is the same guy in 1999 that rode Doug Flutie to the playoffs and then benched him to put in Rob Johnson.  I was a Bills fan since 1972 and will never be a fan due to the two things Ralph Wilson did.  When The Bills lost on the last play of the Miracle Play I was so happy after what they did to Doug.

I even told everyone I could I prayed that the Bills will never make the playoffs again as long as Ralphie is alive.  1999-2013 and counting and that greedy SOB is still going in his 90's.  I am so glad now that the Bills lost all four Super Bowls because the true feelings about Wilson is that his ego and greed is so out of proportion to even the Rich that screw him.  This is the same scumbag who makes the fans go to Toronto for boring expensive games as well.

I hope when the family has to sell the Bills and they are moved out of Buffalo.

/Now that Ralphies gone the Bills will soon follow
 
2014-09-02 04:59:11 AM  

BiffSpiffy: The Buffalo Bill blackout is longer than people thought.  The rule states that if CBS WIVB reaches a county by analog i.e. Yates served by WIVB will black out the NFL Game if not sold out.

In 1997 the year Rich Stadium used public money to update the Stadium and change the name to Ralph Wilson Stadium they realized that WIVB reached a county from the west by one mile from the black out rule.  The NFL bylaw states if another CBS network reaches into the same county (even 15 miles away on the eastern edge) it can black out that network as well.  The county that reaches CBS WIVB on the west of said county has Chanel 5 in Syracuse reaches the other end of that county and can be seen barely on a white snowed out screen by 300 YARDS.

Ralph Wilson (who is also a lawyer) made CBS in Syracuse black out the Bills.  It got worse as Utica at that time did not a CBS Affiliate they were blacked out as well as Syracuse beamed into Utica.  So it was in effect a black out from Orchard Park to east of Utica (225 miles).

Remember Ralph Wilson is the same guy in 1999 that rode Doug Flutie to the playoffs and then benched him to put in Rob Johnson.  I was a Bills fan since 1972 and will never be a fan due to the two things Ralph Wilson did.  When The Bills lost on the last play of the Miracle Play I was so happy after what they did to Doug.

I even told everyone I could I prayed that the Bills will never make the playoffs again as long as Ralphie is alive.  1999-2013 and counting and that greedy SOB is still going in his 90's.  I am so glad now that the Bills lost all four Super Bowls because the true feelings about Wilson is that his ego and greed is so out of proportion to even the Rich that screw him.  This is the same scumbag who makes the fans go to Toronto for boring expensive games as well.

I hope when the family has to sell the Bills and they are moved out of Buffalo.

/Now that Ralphies gone the Bills will soon follow


Good riddance. In the same rant you can't decide if Ralph is alive or dead, to suit your needs. Ralph also never was a lawyer, nor did he bench Flutie for Johnson. That was on Wade Phillips. That's just the tip of the iceberg of wrongness that is your post.
 
2014-09-02 05:32:43 AM  
When I was growing up, (70's), it seemed like every Sunday there were four NFL games on TV, and it was a struggle to figure out which one to watch. There were always good match-ups, and between having cable and access to NY and Philadelphia channels, you could almost always get the games you wanted. Sunday was like some sort of holy day-the whole house came to a halt from 1PM to about 7:30...8:30 if you counted 60 Minutes.

Now it seems that every Sunday I look at the listings, and have to choose between the Rams/Tampa or Oakland/San Diego.

It took a long time, but I finally kicked the NFL habit. Now if there is a good game on, I'll watch it...often on slight DVR delay to get rid of the commercials. But if all the blackout rules only leave me a game that isn't all that interesting-I'll find something else to do.

Sooner or later that has got to catch up to them-and start eroding their fan base-and maybe get them back to where they provide a more fan-friendly product. Probably not in my lifetime, though.  The only hope is watching what Indy racing did to itself when it forgot it was only as rich a sport as its fan base would support.
 
2014-09-02 05:56:40 AM  
Oh good, now I can watch the Bills lose at home too.
 
2014-09-02 06:05:13 AM  

mr_a: When I was growing up, (70's), it seemed like every Sunday there were four NFL games on TV, and it was a struggle to figure out which one to watch. There were always good match-ups, and between having cable and access to NY and Philadelphia channels, you could almost always get the games you wanted. Sunday was like some sort of holy day-the whole house came to a halt from 1PM to about 7:30...8:30 if you counted 60 Minutes.

Now it seems that every Sunday I look at the listings, and have to choose between the Rams/Tampa or Oakland/San Diego.

It took a long time, but I finally kicked the NFL habit. Now if there is a good game on, I'll watch it...often on slight DVR delay to get rid of the commercials. But if all the blackout rules only leave me a game that isn't all that interesting-I'll find something else to do.

Sooner or later that has got to catch up to them-and start eroding their fan base-and maybe get them back to where they provide a more fan-friendly product. Probably not in my lifetime, though.  The only hope is watching what Indy racing did to itself when it forgot it was only as rich a sport as its fan base would support.


The only thing I can add, and this may not be the best post to quote, but I'm a bit impaiered.
 If you are posting here. Who cares? You obviously have a computer. There are at least 4 pretty good live streams out there. Or if "blacked out" in your area use TOR. Watch it streaming on your computer. Even better? Invest in a smart TV.
I just watch 90% of things, streaming from my computer, to my big screen tv.  I'm not bragging, I'm just saying it's not that hard. Who cares about blackouts locally. Stream a feed from London and send it to your tv. or watch it on your computer. Local blackouts are a thing of the past. Most franchises are realizing(slowly), that it's in their best advertising interest, to try and broadcast as many games as possible. I live in Vancouver, and there hasn't been a single sports game blacked out in a couple of years. Because?  Advertising. Ya make WAY more by showing it than not.
/That's what she said
//or what I said
/3
 
2014-09-02 06:12:44 AM  

Aviron: mr_a: When I was growing up, (70's), it seemed like every Sunday there were four NFL games on TV, and it was a struggle to figure out which one to watch. There were always good match-ups, and between having cable and access to NY and Philadelphia channels, you could almost always get the games you wanted. Sunday was like some sort of holy day-the whole house came to a halt from 1PM to about 7:30...8:30 if you counted 60 Minutes.

Now it seems that every Sunday I look at the listings, and have to choose between the Rams/Tampa or Oakland/San Diego.

It took a long time, but I finally kicked the NFL habit. Now if there is a good game on, I'll watch it...often on slight DVR delay to get rid of the commercials. But if all the blackout rules only leave me a game that isn't all that interesting-I'll find something else to do.

Sooner or later that has got to catch up to them-and start eroding their fan base-and maybe get them back to where they provide a more fan-friendly product. Probably not in my lifetime, though.  The only hope is watching what Indy racing did to itself when it forgot it was only as rich a sport as its fan base would support.

The only thing I can add, and this may not be the best post to quote, but I'm a bit impaiered.
 If you are posting here. Who cares? You obviously have a computer. There are at least 4 pretty good live streams out there. Or if "blacked out" in your area use TOR. Watch it streaming on your computer. Even better? Invest in a smart TV.
I just watch 90% of things, streaming from my computer, to my big screen tv.  I'm not bragging, I'm just saying it's not that hard. Who cares about blackouts locally. Stream a feed from London and send it to your tv. or watch it on your computer. Local blackouts are a thing of the past. Most franchises are realizing(slowly), that it's in their best advertising interest, to try and broadcast as many games as possible. I live in Vancouver, and there hasn't been a single sports game blacked out in a coupl ...


You are absolutely right. I have no doubt that with some playing around on the computer, I could get any game I really want.

I'll just plead to being lazy. I already do enough stuff on a computer during the week-football is my relaxation. If the NFL can't get a game to one of the hundreds of channels I already get-I'm just not interested in fighting my way though internet hell to get it.

In short, I am willing to push a button to get the game I want. Any more than that, and I'll head off to the wood shop for an afternoon of building something. And I know this isn't all that rational-but just the way I do things.
 
2014-09-02 07:16:54 AM  

Rik01: I don't like professional sports. I don't watch them. But, I did notice when ticket prices just absolutely exploded nearly overnight some years ago, players making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year started making millions and many cable companies, with Comcast in the lead, started including unwanted sports channels in their cable tiers.


And it is going to get worse.  You've got a couple dozen ESPN's and whatever Verse turned into.  NCAA divisions and colleges are starting their own "networks" as well.  I am in Big 10 land so I get the privilege paying for a the Big 10 Network on my cable bill.
 
2014-09-02 07:26:17 AM  
Blackout rule? Not in my 'Burgh. The last time the Steelers did not fill the stadium, Terry Bradshaw still had a full head of hair, and was not yet paying alimony.

But I understand the reasoning behind this suit.
 
2014-09-02 07:31:22 AM  
Yea, right...  For tax purposes, the NFL is a tax exempt non-profit organization.  I'm sure that has nothing to do with the Billionaire team owners already owning both political parties.

/It's good to be the Billionaire
 
2014-09-02 07:42:29 AM  
The blackout rules don't work. People aren't going to spend hundreds of dollars to go see a shiatty team. They may watch them on TV might as well let them and get ad revenue.
 
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