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(Salon)   It takes a brave man to quit his job and pursue his dreams. It takes an incredibly shortsighted man to quit a reliable, steady gig, go broke, and eventually get fired from a job in doggie daycare   (salon.com) divider line 141
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2014-09-01 12:21:35 AM  
Full-time recruiters, who quoted Malcolm Gladwell

I recommend not professionally associating with people who think Malcolm Gladwell should be quoted on anything.
 
2014-09-01 08:43:37 AM  
Well, that was depressing.
 
2014-09-01 08:46:47 AM  
Always have plan b, c, etc before you hit the dump button.
 
2014-09-01 08:46:48 AM  
"David Sobel, a Manhattan freelancer, is hoping to find work by selling a memoir about unemployment."

This guy is just full of bad ideas.
 
2014-09-01 08:47:26 AM  
You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.
 
2014-09-01 08:49:02 AM  
Has the other tried digging ditches?

img.fark.net
 
2014-09-01 08:50:08 AM  
Happy Labor Day everyone.
 
2014-09-01 08:51:49 AM  
If he had a self-deprecating sense of humor, he could spin his story into one-shot stand-up routine.

It sounds like he takes himself too seriously, though.
 
2014-09-01 08:51:53 AM  

Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.


You mean, Survivor Bias?
 
2014-09-01 08:52:58 AM  
early 40s, single.. If I were him I'd consider truck driving school, go chase the pot o gold out in the oil fields. My uneducated brother in law is out there, make damn near 6 figures, probably over now that he has his hazmat permits...
 
2014-09-01 08:53:26 AM  
I was a bit worried from the headline, since I'm planning to make a life/career change in a couple years, but after reading the article, I'm fine. He didn't plan or prepare at all...the problem isn't that he quit his job to follow his dream. The problem is that all he had when he quit his job was a dream. I'm not sure why anyone would think writing digital copy is so tough you have to quit your day job to learn it, and I'm not sure why you'd do that without savings enough for a couple of years of unemployment. Go ahead and follow your dreams, but realize that dreams don't make themselves come true. Just having a dream is great, but having a dream and enough money in savings is a lot better.
 
2014-09-01 08:54:05 AM  

Mjeck: Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.

You mean, Survivor Bias?


Success is nothing but hard work and gumption!
 
2014-09-01 08:54:45 AM  
They're several things that signal bad judgment here:

1. He quit his job before he had another job or income stream lined up.

2. He stayed in the NYC area.

3. He expects people to feel sorry for him because he got fired from doggie day care
 
2014-09-01 08:55:26 AM  
He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?
 
2014-09-01 08:58:52 AM  
So, Salon is hacking into The Onion's server now, are they?
 
2014-09-01 08:59:42 AM  
Does anybody else see this at the bottom of the page, or is Salon in my head:

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2014-09-01 09:00:36 AM  
In my dreams at night I begged my boss, who'd put me on probation three times, for my old job back.

He sounds like a crappy employee
 
2014-09-01 09:01:11 AM  
I tried that in my 30's.

Know what principle I'm trying now?

"Don't quit your day job."

I wonder if Salon would pay me to write an uninteresting article about it?
 
2014-09-01 09:01:52 AM  

abhorrent1: In my dreams at night I begged my boss, who'd put me on probation three times, for my old job back.

He sounds like a crappy employee


And a giant wussy. He couldn't even work up the courage to beg, just dream about it. Guy's all dreams, no action.
 
2014-09-01 09:02:10 AM  
I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?
 
2014-09-01 09:03:04 AM  
Moral of Story: "Work and do not complain! Do whatever your bosses tell you no matter how degrading and soul-wrecking! The outside world will devour you! Obey! Submit! Obey!!"

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2014-09-01 09:03:12 AM  

Mjeck: I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?


I like health insurance, and so do my kids
 
2014-09-01 09:07:28 AM  

Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?


Read again.  He applied for UI and was (perfectly logically) denied.  He went to a shyster lawyer who said "you have a good chance on appeal".  That doesn't mean he got UI.
 
2014-09-01 09:08:25 AM  
Never mind... I'm the one not reading.
 
2014-09-01 09:09:28 AM  

abhorrent1: In my dreams at night I begged my boss, who'd put me on probation three times, for my old job back.

He sounds like a crappy employee


Whose delusions caused him to overlook reality in favor of idealism.
I imagine his resume now looks like a train wreck.
 
2014-09-01 09:09:36 AM  

Lawnchair: Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?

Read again.  He applied for UI and was (perfectly logically) denied.  He went to a shyster lawyer who said "you have a good chance on appeal".  That doesn't mean he got UI.


That part doesn't, but just a little farther in, there's this part: "Five months after my grand exit, I won retroactive unemployment benefits but was still jobless. "

Pretty sure that means he got UI.
 
2014-09-01 09:09:57 AM  

Lawnchair: Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?

Read again.  He applied for UI and was (perfectly logically) denied.  He went to a shyster lawyer who said "you have a good chance on appeal".  That doesn't mean he got UI.


FTFA: "Five months after my grand exit, I won retroactive unemployment benefits but was still jobless "
 
2014-09-01 09:10:03 AM  

Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.


Yup, this isn't unusual. It's probably the most common outcome for someone trying to "follow their dream" at age 42 with no experience in the field they wanna break into.

You're a hell of a lot more likely to succeed at your dream if you put even a minute of thought into how exactly you're gonna accomplish it, rather than just assuming everything will work out because you really, really want it to.
 
2014-09-01 09:10:47 AM  
Why would he think he was entitled to unemployment?
 
2014-09-01 09:12:20 AM  

Mjeck: I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?


I imagine that's easier said than lived with.
 
2014-09-01 09:13:04 AM  
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2014-09-01 09:13:55 AM  

Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?


There are several reasons that are sufficient to quit a job and still collect unemployment depending on the state you live in.  Seeking a job with benefits if your current job doesn't provide them, and if you move and your commute to your old job is too long are a couple of the common ones where I live.  The other possibilities are he lied his ass off and the company screwed up or lost their proof or he slipped the hearing officer a couple Benjamin's.
 
2014-09-01 09:15:14 AM  

CasperImproved: Mjeck: I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?

I imagine that's easier said than lived with.


I believe they`re called, Starving Artists
 
2014-09-01 09:15:49 AM  
i tell people in that position to move where the jobs are.  if you don't have a family to relocate, just move away.  don't insist on some narrowly defined office job in the same area like this guy wanted, and then worry about creating the perfect resume to match that job.  move somewhere else and just take a job in the want ads.  seriously, he was willing to work at starbucks and walk dogs, that's how desperate he was.  he should have just moved away and gotten a job running a machine in a factory or something.

nine years ago my friends from college told me they were moving to wisconsin and did i want to move up there with them?  i had a pretty decent job at the time and even had my own apartment, which was quite an accomplishment as far as i was concerned.  but i knew that i didn't want to live in that town forever, and i knew that i would never find a better job in that area either, so at the age of 24 i was basically stuck.  i figured what the hell, and quit my job and moved to wisconsin with no real plans at all.  it worked out for me, because now i make much more money at a better job, and i have a nice bunch of money saved in the bank on top of that.  but the only reason i could do it was because i was willing to move away from home.
 
2014-09-01 09:17:06 AM  

charlesmartel11235: Mjeck: Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.

You mean, Survivor Bias?

Success is nothing but hard work and gumption!


And networking with a smidge of knowing what the hell you are doing.
 
2014-09-01 09:18:38 AM  

Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.


I took mine at 27 and whiffed big time. 35 now and thankfully I'm getting married to a French doctor this weekend to save my ass.
 
2014-09-01 09:19:12 AM  

Mjeck: Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.

You mean, Survivor Bias?


Mike McDermott - Rounders
 
2014-09-01 09:19:30 AM  
That guy is a dumbass.

I pursued my dream as an artist and won big. But I didn't put in my notice at my shiatty convenience store job until I was confident that the art money would keep rolling in regularly. There's been a two month overlap between that job and my current illustration gig where I've been working 80 hour weeks. And my notice was a "when you hire someone to replace me" rather than a two week standard, but I it was worth it to go after my dream with a safety net. A lot less stressful too, in the long run.
 
2014-09-01 09:19:51 AM  
This guy sounds like he really sucks at working, planning and life in general.  Almost fired from the first job (several probation notices) and then managed to get fired from the others too?  Then he goes and attention whores it up with his parents who try to hospitalize him for suicidal words?  All this while forty and single?  Sounds like a real winner, he should be an hero any day now.
 
2014-09-01 09:22:32 AM  

Mjeck: CasperImproved: Mjeck: I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?

I imagine that's easier said than lived with.

I believe they`re called, Starving Artists


Was I right?

Starving is not easy to live with.
 
2014-09-01 09:24:16 AM  

Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?


Wild guess: The business was being incredibly mean to this 42 year old child until he quit.  Threat of lawsuit outweighed the higher cost of unemployment tax.
 
2014-09-01 09:26:35 AM  

joepainter: Mjeck: Baryogenesis: You don't hear much about guys who take their shot and miss, but I'll tell you what happens to them. They end up humping crappy jobs and graveyard shifts trying to figure out how they came up short.

You mean, Survivor Bias?

Mike McDermott - Rounders


Shhh, you're ruining it.
 
2014-09-01 09:27:19 AM  

untaken_name: I was a bit worried from the headline, since I'm planning to make a life/career change in a couple years, but after reading the article, I'm fine. He didn't plan or prepare at all...the problem isn't that he quit his job to follow his dream. The problem is that all he had when he quit his job was a dream. I'm not sure why anyone would think writing digital copy is so tough you have to quit your day job to learn it, and I'm not sure why you'd do that without savings enough for a couple of years of unemployment. Go ahead and follow your dreams, but realize that dreams don't make themselves come true. Just having a dream is great, but having a dream and enough money in savings is a lot better.


Why did he quit his job first? I'm pretty sure the Learning annex has night classes.
 
2014-09-01 09:29:01 AM  
If only doggie day care was unionized.
 
2014-09-01 09:29:15 AM  

Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?


He's entiltled!!
 
2014-09-01 09:30:11 AM  

HK-MP5-SD: Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?

There are several reasons that are sufficient to quit a job and still collect unemployment depending on the state you live in.  Seeking a job with benefits if your current job doesn't provide them, and if you move and your commute to your old job is too long are a couple of the common ones where I live.  The other possibilities are he lied his ass off and the company screwed up or lost their proof or he slipped the hearing officer a couple Benjamin's.


I was working a high security job, and gave them two weeks' notice.  They said 'if you're leaving, we want you to leave now'.  They had a form I  was supposed to sign to change my resignation date, but I refused to sign it.

As a result, I was eligible for unemployment when the job I was going to fell through. Not only that, but when they replaced me with a guy in India, I got TAA benefits as well.  My refusal to sign that date change netted me about eight grand and a whole lot of peace of mind.

So word to the wise- if you leave a company, but they choose the date you leave, that's being laid off, not quitting.  UI is unemployment INSURANCE.  Don't feel guilty about collecting it- you paid for it.
 
2014-09-01 09:31:16 AM  

untaken_name: abhorrent1: In my dreams at night I begged my boss, who'd put me on probation three times, for my old job back.

He sounds like a crappy employee

And a giant wussy. He couldn't even work up the courage to beg, just dream about it. Guy's all dreams, no action.


But he's a Jewish genius*

*Never heard of that stereotype
 
2014-09-01 09:31:34 AM  

CasperImproved: Mjeck: CasperImproved: Mjeck: I would rather be at the bottom of a ladder i can't climb, than anywhere on the ladder I don't want?

I imagine that's easier said than lived with.

I believe they`re called, Starving Artists

Was I right?

Starving is not easy to live with.


Yeah it`s hard and yes you;re right. But some are doing it because it still outweighs the alternative
 
2014-09-01 09:32:02 AM  
I did something similar when I was about 30. Quit with no plan at all. After about a year, I was desperate, and working night shift underneath people I had trained years before. It was a huge helping of humble pie. However, somehow it worked, and I am now working in the field that my BS was in.

It worked out much the same as many of my home improvement projects. Partway in, after I've farked things up beyond repair, I wish I'd never started. But, since there is no going back, you slog through it.
 
2014-09-01 09:32:22 AM  

cygnusx13: Copper Spork: He quit his job and got unemployment benefits anyway? How does that work?

He's entiltled!!


A 42 year old millennial? What a country.
 
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