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(Chicago Sun-Times)   The violence of summer continues unabated in Chiraq, with twenty wounded in shootings and two dead from gunshots. Clearly, the only solution is even tougher gun control laws--and bigger prison sentences   (voices.suntimes.com) divider line 108
    More: Followup, Far South Side, Cook County, Illinois, Stroger Hospital, Community areas of Chicago, shootings, Christ Medical Center  
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2014-08-31 11:14:26 AM  
As opposed to heavily arming the entire white population, all the while swearing race has nothing to do with it?
 
2014-08-31 11:33:16 AM  
I suggest air strikes

/limited in scope, of course
//we don't want to have to send in ground troops
 
2014-08-31 11:45:19 AM  
Maybe, just maybe we should start focusing on how all these illegal guns became illegal in the first place. It's not like there's an underground foundry that's making these things.

So far the process semms to be:

1) Manufacturer
2) Distributor
3) ???
4) Pew pew!
 
2014-08-31 11:45:39 AM  

RIP
medias.mensquare.com

 
2014-08-31 12:17:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I suggest air strikes

/limited in scope, of course
//we don't want to have to send in ground troops


We can probably just have submitter and his entire family drone striked - cheap effective and safe.
 
2014-08-31 12:29:04 PM  

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RIP

 
2014-08-31 12:31:13 PM  

enry: Maybe, just maybe we should start focusing on how all these illegal guns became illegal in the first place. It's not like there's an underground foundry that's making these things.

So far the process semms to be:

1) Manufacturer
2) Distributor
3) ???
4) Pew pew!


3) The Jonny Appleseed of guns goes throughout the various bad neighborhoods sprinkling guns free of charge to all the residents like the Easter Fairy gives away teeth ?
 
2014-08-31 12:38:36 PM  
FTA; 2 dead, 20 wounded

Sidebars: 7 killed, 29 wounded
                3 dead, 20 wounded
                1 dead, 14 wounded
                2 dead, 10 wounded

I don't know where you get your body counts, but I haven't seen confusion like this since Nam.
 
2014-08-31 12:47:29 PM  
Two people died by gun violence in Chicago this weekend.

While this is not especially high compared to the rest of the country, this is big news.

Because...

...uh....

Oh right, because Obama's from there.

Also some nonsense about how less guns = more gun violence.

But we promise, it's totally newsworthy.  So we must greenlight this link.

...and a hundred others like it...

Every. Farking. Day...

Until January 20, 2017...

When we will promptly pivot to being outraged about gun violence in...oh for fark's sake
 
2014-08-31 01:06:50 PM  

dookdookdook: Two people died by gun violence in Chicago this weekend.

While this is not especially high compared to the rest of the country, this is big news.

Because...

...uh....

Oh right, because Obama's from there.

Also some nonsense about how less guns = more gun violence.

But we promise, it's totally newsworthy.  So we must greenlight this link.

...and a hundred others like it...

Every. Farking. Day...

Until January 20, 2017...

When we will promptly pivot to being outraged about gun violence in...oh for fark's sake


You know, not everything is about Obama.  Chicago's violent crime numbers are eye-popping for their shear volume, even though other places have a higher rate of crime.  They'd get media attention no matter who is president.
 
2014-08-31 01:07:48 PM  

Fark It: shear


or sheer....
 
2014-08-31 01:22:45 PM  
What dumbassmitter keeps pimping this Chiraq bullshiat, and what dumbass Farkmin keeps greenlighting these moronic headlines?
 
2014-08-31 01:23:15 PM  
dumb headline
 
2014-08-31 01:23:36 PM  
What?  This is impossible.  JRW  healed the city.  There's no more violence here.
 
2014-08-31 01:25:29 PM  

Serious Black: What dumbassmitter keeps pimping this Chiraq bullshiat, and what dumbass Farkmin keeps greenlighting these moronic headlines?


I think the headline is totally fetch.
 
2014-08-31 01:25:37 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I suggest air strikes

/limited in scope, of course
//we don't want to have to send in ground troops


Better yet, send in the Israelis.
 
2014-08-31 01:26:23 PM  
I feel the best course of action so far would be to restrict the flow of medical supplies commonly used to treat these types of wounds. Kinda like a repair shop, your car spings a leak, bu there's no replacement fluid or fan belts. It's all good until you get shot, but then.
I bet the televisions are touting health careers. We have that here. What with the recent influx of retirees in to the area.
 
2014-08-31 01:28:23 PM  

dookdookdook: Oh right, because Obama's from there.


NO, no.  It's because Hillary Clinton is from there.
 
2014-08-31 01:31:26 PM  

Ex-Texan: I feel the best course of action so far would be to restrict the flow of medical supplies commonly used to treat these types of wounds. Kinda like a repair shop, your car spings a leak, bu there's no replacement fluid or fan belts. It's all good until you get shot, but then.
I bet the televisions are touting health careers. We have that here. What with the recent influx of retirees in to the area.


What they spend on gun shot/trauma care they won't have to spend on geriatric.  It takes a few years to realize the savings, but it's a viable plan
 
2014-08-31 01:32:29 PM  

enry: Maybe, just maybe we should start focusing on how all these illegal guns became illegal in the first place. It's not like there's an underground foundry that's making these things.

So far the process semms to be:

1) Manufacturer
2) Distributor
3) ???
4) Pew pew!


The guns did it? Wow.
 
2014-08-31 01:33:06 PM  

born_yesterday: Serious Black: What dumbassmitter keeps pimping this Chiraq bullshiat, and what dumbass Farkmin keeps greenlighting these moronic headlines?

I think the headline is totally fetch.


I wouldn't be saying much given that you live in a city with a murder rate about three times higher than Chicago's. What, should we start calling Detroit Dee-raq now?
 
2014-08-31 01:35:11 PM  
Maybe they ment Fraggily Rock.

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2014-08-31 01:36:33 PM  

Serious Black: What dumbassmitter keeps pimping this Chiraq bullshiat, and what dumbass Farkmin keeps greenlighting these moronic headlines?


Drew. He's also waiting to throw in an Al Sharpton headline on top of it.
 
2014-08-31 01:37:23 PM  
This really shows a disturbing lack of scientific literacy in our country. There are cities that have looser gun laws and less gun violence. There are also cities that have stricter gun laws and less gun violence. And there are cities that looser gun laws and more gun violence, and cities that have stricter gun laws and more gun violence. Anyone even remotely familiar with the concepts of "cause and effect" can look at that and say that the two factors aren't related. Chicago's problems are caused by another factor; I suggest looking for similarities and differences between it and other cities. Given that it's Chicago, I suggest starting with levels of corruption, police accountability, and the drug trade.
 
2014-08-31 01:38:42 PM  
Gangbangers killing each other seems like a self-solving problem to me.
 
2014-08-31 01:46:36 PM  
Gangs?
 
2014-08-31 01:47:07 PM  

Fark It: You know, not everything is about Obama.


People who get a boner over the false claim that Chicago is extraordinarily violent think:

a) They are sticking it to Obama
- or -
b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime
- or -
c) Both a) and b)
 
2014-08-31 01:47:35 PM  

whistleridge: As opposed to heavily arming the entire white population, all the while swearing race has nothing to do with it?


Statistically speaking, whites are already heavily armed.
Maybe that plays a part?

Race has alot to do with the fact that people don't care about the casualty count until its time to make a statistical argument for gun control. 
Otherwise its just a reason for the state to ignore who's suffering the most from the drug war and the lack of social mobility.
 
2014-08-31 01:50:47 PM  
Ehh.  Chicago's always been messed up.  It will always be messed up.  And the anti-2A crowd will always blame the guns.  SSDD
 
2014-08-31 01:51:14 PM  
This weekly thread needs a catchy name, like Caturday.

Murderday?
 
2014-08-31 01:54:31 PM  

BullBearMS: This weekly thread needs a catchy name, like Caturday.

Murderday?


Ehh.  Easier to give Chicago it's own post icon.  Like Florida.
 
2014-08-31 01:54:45 PM  
Fark It:You know, not everything is about Obama.  Chicago's violent crime numbers are eye-popping for their shear volume, even though other places have a higher rate of crime.  They'd get media attention no matter who is president.

Well Chicago is only the 13th worst US city for murder, so if there have been as many fark threads about gun violence in Detroit, St Louis, New Orleans, Baltimore, Newark, Oakland, Stockton, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Memphis, and Atlanta as there have about Chicago, I sure can't find them.

(dammit, I just remembered links aren't underlined so you can't tell that every word links to a different thread)
 
2014-08-31 02:03:30 PM  

whistleridge: As opposed to heavily arming the entire white population, all the while swearing race has nothing to do with it?


Who said anything about only arming whites?  I'm all for allowing anyone without violent crimes on their record to possess a gun.
 
2014-08-31 02:06:40 PM  

jaytkay: b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime


That depends.  Did they get rid of the extra hoops and back bends they required to possess a gun?  One of the first things they did after the Heller case was require you to pass a gun certification course at a gun range located inside the city of Chicago.  There were no gun ranges inside of Chicago.  I believe a judge stomped on that one, but knowing Chicago's history, I'm sure they came up with some more hurdles.
 
2014-08-31 02:07:44 PM  

Noishkel: BullBearMS: This weekly thread needs a catchy name, like Caturday.

Murderday?

Ehh.  Easier to give Chicago it's own post icon.  Like Florida.


For the one post a week about Chicago? That inevitably is a transparent attempt to slander the President for something that is almost entirely out of his control just because he calls the city home? At least the Florida tag gets used multiple times a day.
 
2014-08-31 02:08:28 PM  

Oblio13: Gangbangers killing each other seems like a self-solving problem to me.


Unfortunately, gang bangers are such notoriously bad shots (you can't aim if you hold the gun sideways) that they tend to completely miss their target and hit some innocent bystander instead.  Government subsidized shooting lessons for know gang members? ~~~~
 
2014-08-31 02:09:41 PM  
I bet if the ATF was actually allowed to enforce existing gun sales laws you'd see a lot less illegal guns and cities wouldn't need to go full ape shiat ban everything in order to get them off the street
 
2014-08-31 02:09:57 PM  

OgreMagi: jaytkay: b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime

That depends.  Did they get rid of the extra hoops and back bends they required to possess a gun?


You admittedly don't know and then rant about what you imagine might be the facts.

That's some real top-notch work wankery there, Sparky.
 
2014-08-31 02:12:50 PM  

jaytkay: OgreMagi: jaytkay: b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime

That depends.  Did they get rid of the extra hoops and back bends they required to possess a gun?

You admittedly don't know and then rant about what you imagine might be the facts.

That's some real top-notch work wankery there, Sparky.


I asked a farking question.  I also pointed out that Chicago has a farking history of making it difficult.  Now answer the question or admit you are ignorant then shut the hell up.
 
2014-08-31 02:27:03 PM  

OgreMagi: jaytkay: OgreMagi: jaytkay: b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime

That depends.  Did they get rid of the extra hoops and back bends they required to possess a gun?

You admittedly don't know and then rant about what you imagine might be the facts.

That's some real top-notch work wankery there, Sparky.

I asked a farking question.  I also pointed out that Chicago has a farking history of making it difficult.  Now answer the question or admit you are ignorant then shut the hell up.


Those are some easily rustled jimmies you got there, Sparky!
 
2014-08-31 02:29:31 PM  
Every time I read "Statistically speaking, Chicago isn't the most dangerous city in America"...

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JERRY: You're swimming in the East River? The most heavily trafficked overly contaminated waterway on the eastern seaboard?
KRAMER: Technically Norfolk has more gross tonnage.
 
2014-08-31 02:30:57 PM  

OgreMagi: jaytkay: b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime

That depends.  Did they get rid of the extra hoops and back bends they required to possess a gun?  One of the first things they did after the Heller case was require you to pass a gun certification course at a gun range located inside the city of Chicago.  There were no gun ranges inside of Chicago.  I believe a judge stomped on that one, but knowing Chicago's history, I'm sure they came up with some more hurdles.


They got rid of the registry (overriden by ccw law) and firearms permit. Still need a FOID. Forced to allow gun stores and gun ranges inside city limits, but placed ridiculous constraints on where they could operate. Will likely be challenged in court and overturned (again).

Change comes slowly to Chicago. On the plus side, you can at least transfer a weapon inside the city limits without dying.
 
2014-08-31 02:31:17 PM  

jaytkay: Fark It: You know, not everything is about Obama.

People who get a boner over the false claim that Chicago is extraordinarily violent think:

a) They are sticking it to Obama
- or -
b) Chicago's gun laws (which were repealed years ago) cause crime
- or -
c) Both a) and b)


I live near St. Louis and we have absolutely no gun laws and somehow our crime rate is a whole lot worse than Chicago.

Apparently it takes a cop shooting down an unarmed teenager in the street for Fark to give a shiat about what's happening here in St. Louis.
 
2014-08-31 02:31:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Now answer the question or admit you are ignorant then shut the hell up.


But you wrote that you are "sure they came up with some more hurdles".

So what are they?
 
2014-08-31 02:32:45 PM  
Let's stop having this stupid thread.
 
2014-08-31 02:33:23 PM  

Serious Black: What dumbassmitter keeps pimping this Chiraq bullshiat, and what dumbass Farkmin keeps greenlighting these moronic headlines?


U mad bro?
 
2014-08-31 02:35:12 PM  
Stop trying to make Chiraq happen.

One more reference and it turns into a Mean Girls thread.
 
2014-08-31 02:38:10 PM  

Serious Black: Noishkel: BullBearMS: This weekly thread needs a catchy name, like Caturday.

Murderday?

Ehh.  Easier to give Chicago it's own post icon.  Like Florida.

For the one post a week about Chicago?


Let's just turn Monday into Murderday. We already don't like Mondays, and waiting till then allows us to get the bodycount for the entire weekend.
 
2014-08-31 02:38:56 PM  

jaytkay: OgreMagi: Now answer the question or admit you are ignorant then shut the hell up.

But you wrote that you are "sure they came up with some more hurdles".

So what are they?


So you failed reading comprehension in school?  I asked a question and I pointed out that Chicago has a history of making it near impossible to get a gun.  They have been slapped down multiple times by the courts for this.  Since you have difficulty with sentences written for adults, I will try to make this simple.

Are the current gun laws in Chicago reasonable for obtaining a firearm, or is it still near impossible to complete the requirements as it was in the past?
 
2014-08-31 02:39:00 PM  

Fark It: dookdookdook: Two people died by gun violence in Chicago this weekend.

While this is not especially high compared to the rest of the country, this is big news.

Because...

...uh....

Oh right, because Obama's from there.

Also some nonsense about how less guns = more gun violence.

But we promise, it's totally newsworthy.  So we must greenlight this link.

...and a hundred others like it...

Every. Farking. Day...

Until January 20, 2017...

When we will promptly pivot to being outraged about gun violence in...oh for fark's sake

You know, not everything is about Obama.  Chicago's violent crime numbers are eye-popping for their shear volume, even though other places have a higher rate of crime.  They'd get media attention no matter who is president.


That's funny. Chicago didn't get this type of media attention in the 90's when murders from guns were almost 3x what they are now. Or even between 2000 and 2007 when the murders from guns were higher than they are now. But something happened in 2008 that shifted the focus to Chicago even though murders from guns had been decreasing.
 
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