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(Pink News UK)   A 52-year-old New Jersey man is suing Grindr after being arrested for having sex with a 13-year-old boy he met using the app. Claims it was Grindr's responsibility to verify the boy's age considering you have to be 18 to use the app   (pinknews.co.uk) divider line 65
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2014-08-31 12:00:52 PM  
The only debate here is under which end of the jail should they bury his sorry rapist ass...
 
2014-08-31 12:05:13 PM  
1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-08-31 12:17:53 PM  
FTFA "William Saponaro Jr, 52 met with the teen and another man - neither of whom have been named - in June 2012, and claims he was assured by the other man that the teen was 18 years old, because he had been using the app."

So what's up with the "other man" who seems to be pimping out a 13 year old?
 
2014-08-31 12:20:06 PM  

xanadian: 1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.


Yep, especially #2. After seeing the boy was underage why didn't this guy just walk away? Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.
 
2014-08-31 12:35:03 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.


I remember way back in the day I was reading Men's Health and came upon an article about a 13-year-old who lifted weights.  It was a bit disconcerting seeing a boy's head on a man's body.

I know.  Cool Story 'Mo.

/I think I've seen something similar in the ad blocks on Weather.com, of all places
 
2014-08-31 01:12:50 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: xanadian: 1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.

Yep, especially #2. After seeing the boy was underage why didn't this guy just walk away? Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.


That's my thought as well.  If the kid had been 16 or 17 he might have a case, but 13 really pushes the limits of believability.
 
2014-08-31 01:26:50 PM  
No.
 
2014-08-31 01:34:19 PM  
So much for LGBBBQWTFT rights.........

/ not that it would save me, I ask for 2 photo Ids if the young lady looks a little too young. Would that not qualify as due diligence?
 
2014-08-31 01:34:36 PM  
Good luck with his lawsuit. If Grindr is facilitating statutory rape through negligence then I hope they get sued into the ground.

That said, this guy belongs in prison. Unless this kid presented him with a perfectly fake ID he should have double checked.
 
2014-08-31 01:40:44 PM  
If sex with underage boys is wrong then I don't want to be in line behind Roseanne Barr and M'onique at the buffet table.
 
2014-08-31 01:41:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Bathia_Mapes: xanadian: 1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.

Yep, especially #2. After seeing the boy was underage why didn't this guy just walk away? Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.

That's my thought as well.  If the kid had been 16 or 17 he might have a case, but 13 really pushes the limits of believability.



Ding.  I was going to say the very same thing.
 
2014-08-31 01:41:32 PM  
Sue all you want, buddy. You're still the one going to prison.
 
2014-08-31 01:42:02 PM  
I prefer my chicken on a plate, thank you very much.
 
2014-08-31 01:45:00 PM  
"We don't view this as a security flaw. As part of the Grindr service, users rely on sharing location information with other users as core functionality of the application and Grindr users can control how this information is displayed."

wat
 
2014-08-31 01:47:44 PM  
He got caught and now he needs a defense.
 
2014-08-31 01:51:52 PM  

LordOfThePings: "We don't view this as a security flaw. As part of the Grindr service, users rely on sharing location information with other users as core functionality of the application and Grindr users can control how this information is displayed."

wat


it's a feature.
 
2014-08-31 01:52:47 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: xanadian: 1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.

Yep, especially #2. After seeing the boy was underage why didn't this guy just walk away? Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.


Eh. When I was 18 I looked 13. Combination of a baby face with parents who believed sports were of the devil. I've known guys growing up who were the opposite (including one poor guy who was 16 going on 43).

When I was a bartender, I quickly learned how important it is to card people - it is much, much harder than you'd think to guess someone's age by looking.

Do an experiment if you think you have superpowers. Pretend that being wrong once means you lose your job or worse.

I don't know the details of this case beyond the article, but I'd give this guy the benefit of the doubt and go after the pimp.
 
2014-08-31 01:59:22 PM  
On the one hand, it's an absurd lawsuit.  Any reasonable person would understand that, if  they didn't go through any age verification process, neither did anyone else using the service.

On the other hand, he's facing twenty years.  If I was facing 20 years, I'd try anything I could to reduce that time.
 
2014-08-31 02:07:41 PM  
Didnt work for the guy I used to work with when he picked up a 16 yr old in an 18 and over club doubt it will work with this guy.
 
2014-08-31 02:20:46 PM  
Isn't the age of consent one of the weird cases where mens rea doesn't even matter?  The argument seems pointless.
 
2014-08-31 02:26:07 PM  
However, after the boy turned out to be just 13, Mr Saponaro was charged with sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child, and could end up facing a 20-year prison term.

Don't worry, Mr. Pervert.  They say your prison term will be 20 years, but you'll probably only have to serve 13.
 
2014-08-31 02:32:57 PM  

Nuclear Monk: LordOfThePings: "We don't view this as a security flaw. As part of the Grindr service, users rely on sharing location information with other users as core functionality of the application and Grindr users can control how this information is displayed."

wat

it's a feature.



Yeah, that could have been phrased better.  Or not at all.

But here's the fun part: Due to how badly this country's hacking laws are written, the kid is guilty of a federal felony.
 
2014-08-31 02:34:10 PM  

gfid: However, after the boy turned out to be just 13, Mr Saponaro was charged with sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child, and could end up facing a 20-year prison term.

Don't worry, Mr. Pervert.  They say your prison term will be 20 years, but you'll probably only have to serve 13.


-Too bad he wasn't born a woman. If that was the case he would not have to worry about going to prison at all.
 
2014-08-31 02:46:19 PM  
I don't see it as Grindr's responsibility to verify ages.

But I DO have a problem with these absolute age laws.  Not because I think it's a good idea for an adult to be having sex with a 13 year old, I certainly do not.  But I do think it should be a defense that there was a reasonable belief that the kid in question was legal.

And yes, for the average 13 year old, there's no question of the kid being underage.  But not everyone is average.

I'm just saying that like the vast majority of crimes, there should be a need to prove intent.  We demand intent be proven for murder, if you kill someone by accident it's a different crime, or not even a crime at all depending on circumstances.  Why should there not be a requirement that there be intent proven for this?  You can't claim that it's because this hurts the victim more, we require it for murder.
 
2014-08-31 02:59:01 PM  

DarkVader: I don't see it as Grindr's responsibility to verify ages.

But I DO have a problem with these absolute age laws.  Not because I think it's a good idea for an adult to be having sex with a 13 year old, I certainly do not.  But I do think it should be a defense that there was a reasonable belief that the kid in question was legal.

And yes, for the average 13 year old, there's no question of the kid being underage.  But not everyone is average.

I'm just saying that like the vast majority of crimes, there should be a need to prove intent.  We demand intent be proven for murder, if you kill someone by accident it's a different crime, or not even a crime at all depending on circumstances.  Why should there not be a requirement that there be intent proven for this?  You can't claim that it's because this hurts the victim more, we require it for murder.


I don't think people are rejecting his argument - they just don't believe his story. I don't think I do either.
If the guy was really, truly deceived into having sex with a minor, then sure - he would have the same protection as any person who was defrauded into committing a crime.
But nobody believes him because thirteen, man.
 
2014-08-31 03:17:46 PM  
www.whomadeyoumirabelli.com
 
2014-08-31 03:18:26 PM  

jso2897: DarkVader: I don't see it as Grindr's responsibility to verify ages.

But I DO have a problem with these absolute age laws.  Not because I think it's a good idea for an adult to be having sex with a 13 year old, I certainly do not.  But I do think it should be a defense that there was a reasonable belief that the kid in question was legal.

And yes, for the average 13 year old, there's no question of the kid being underage.  But not everyone is average.

I'm just saying that like the vast majority of crimes, there should be a need to prove intent.  We demand intent be proven for murder, if you kill someone by accident it's a different crime, or not even a crime at all depending on circumstances.  Why should there not be a requirement that there be intent proven for this?  You can't claim that it's because this hurts the victim more, we require it for murder.

I don't think people are rejecting his argument - they just don't believe his story. I don't think I do either.
If the guy was really, truly deceived into having sex with a minor, then sure - he would have the same protection as any person who was defrauded into committing a crime.
But nobody believes him because thirteen, man.


No, he wouldn't.  My understanding is that this is a  per se crime-- there is absolutely no acceptable defense other than "it never happened."

/I don't believe his story either
//I don't think the service is responsible.
///But there SHOULD be a mechanism to protect people who have been mislead as to the age of the victim (even though I don't think it should probably apply in this case).
////Slashies.
 
2014-08-31 03:19:26 PM  
Freshman/Sophmore year of college I had a friend who would stop at a chain of gas stations notorious for checking id and give the girl money to get him cigarettes while he made a call. He basically contracted out carding his dates.
 
2014-08-31 03:24:09 PM  
N.A.M.B.L.A.
 
2014-08-31 03:28:23 PM  

Ashtrey: Freshman/Sophmore year of college I had a friend who would stop at a chain of gas stations notorious for checking id and give the girl money to get him cigarettes while he made a call. He basically contracted out carding his dates.


And if they have a fake id, he would be just as screwed under statutory rape laws.  You could check a license, birth certificate, affidavit from their parent, etc., but if they are faked, you are still criminally liable if they are underage.  Your only real hope is jury nullification because the law is clear, you have sex with anyone underage no matter what steps you take to prevent it, that is statutory rape.
 
2014-08-31 03:40:16 PM  
Losr.
 
2014-08-31 03:55:13 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: N.A.M.B.L.A.


North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?
 
2014-08-31 03:57:33 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: jso2897: DarkVader: I don't see it as Grindr's responsibility to verify ages.

But I DO have a problem with these absolute age laws.  Not because I think it's a good idea for an adult to be having sex with a 13 year old, I certainly do not.  But I do think it should be a defense that there was a reasonable belief that the kid in question was legal.

And yes, for the average 13 year old, there's no question of the kid being underage.  But not everyone is average.

I'm just saying that like the vast majority of crimes, there should be a need to prove intent.  We demand intent be proven for murder, if you kill someone by accident it's a different crime, or not even a crime at all depending on circumstances.  Why should there not be a requirement that there be intent proven for this?  You can't claim that it's because this hurts the victim more, we require it for murder.

I don't think people are rejecting his argument - they just don't believe his story. I don't think I do either.
If the guy was really, truly deceived into having sex with a minor, then sure - he would have the same protection as any person who was defrauded into committing a crime.
But nobody believes him because thirteen, man.

No, he wouldn't.  My understanding is that this is a  per se crime-- there is absolutely no acceptable defense other than "it never happened."

/I don't believe his story either
//I don't think the service is responsible.
///But there SHOULD be a mechanism to protect people who have been mislead as to the age of the victim (even though I don't think it should probably apply in this case).
////Slashies.


You're doubtlessly right. IANAL. It doesn't seem to be relevant here. It sounds like "She's eighteen, right? (nudge, wink) Right, man?" was the deal here.
 
2014-08-31 04:09:07 PM  

slightlyfarked: gfid: However, after the boy turned out to be just 13, Mr Saponaro was charged with sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child, and could end up facing a 20-year prison term.

Don't worry, Mr. Pervert.  They say your prison term will be 20 years, but you'll probably only have to serve 13.

-Too bad he wasn't born a woman. If that was the case he would not have to worry about going to prison at all.


REPORTED!
 
2014-08-31 04:21:38 PM  
IANAL and it's been a LONG time since I took procedural law in college, but I certainly seem to remember when we covered statutory rape laws that there was a "plausible deniability" exception...if you ask a girl and she says she's 18 for example, but then turns out to be 15 you're legally ok because you had no way of knowing.  I'm not defending this guy at all, just curious if some fark law-type people could clarify this for me?

Yah I know...."why don't you have a seat over here?". But I swear it's just morbid curiosity, really!
 
2014-08-31 04:21:42 PM  
Now he will learn a new meaning of Grindr & PMITA & rape.
There is a fix for that, have sex with adults your own age (gay/straight, 2 people/3 people/5 people, whatever).
 
2014-08-31 04:33:04 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: N.A.M.B.L.A.


NAMBLA does not represent gays.

archnem: IANAL and it's been a LONG time since I took procedural law in college, but I certainly seem to remember when we covered statutory rape laws that there was a "plausible deniability" exception...if you ask a girl and she says she's 18 for example, but then turns out to be 15 you're legally ok because you had no way of knowing.  I'm not defending this guy at all, just curious if some fark law-type people could clarify this for me?

Yah I know...."why don't you have a seat over here?". But I swear it's just morbid curiosity, really!


i48.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-31 04:41:37 PM  
In some of the states there is the use of the defense of I did not know of the age of this person but also in those states there is often the minimum exception such as 13 or 14 years of the ages.

Consider Zahia Dehar as the example but she was not this young. There is not the way in the hellacious bowels of the earth in which you could not know that someone who is of the ages of 13 is not 18 years of the ages.
 
2014-08-31 05:17:05 PM  
Really on the fence with this one. Every one is saying that 13 doesn't look like 18 but it certainly can. I have seen many girls that dress in a way that you can't tell if they are 13 or 23. I know it is different with boys because boys clothes styles don't change much in those years and they don't wear make-up. If I was on the jury I would have to see the kid.

/my first wife looked 15 well into her 30s
 
2014-08-31 05:50:43 PM  
My girlfriend is 24.
Many, many times people have said she looks 12.
(She Asian and tiny)
Can't always go by looks.

CSB
 
2014-08-31 05:55:04 PM  
I am 43.
I still get asked for ID at bars.

CSB
 
2014-08-31 05:56:07 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: The only debate here is under which end of the jail should they bury his sorry rapist ass...


And a betting pool on which rail he gets tossed from.

GreatGlavinsGhost: slightlyfarked: gfid: However, after the boy turned out to be just 13, Mr Saponaro was charged with sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child, and could end up facing a 20-year prison term.

Don't worry, Mr. Pervert.  They say your prison term will be 20 years, but you'll probably only have to serve 13.

-Too bad he wasn't born a woman. If that was the case he would not have to worry about going to prison at all.

REPORTED!


To the Fark gulags with him!!! And prepare him for trial and 100000000 lashes, North Farkea style!

my.telegraph.co.uk

archnem: IANAL and it's been a LONG time since I took procedural law in college, but I certainly seem to remember when we covered statutory rape laws that there was a "plausible deniability" exception...if you ask a girl and she says she's 18 for example, but then turns out to be 15 you're legally ok because you had no way of knowing.  I'm not defending this guy at all, just curious if some fark law-type people could clarify this for me?

Yah I know...."why don't you have a seat over here?". But I swear it's just morbid curiosity, really!


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-08-31 06:01:38 PM  
While it is not legally possible for a minor to consent to sex with an adult, I hope it was at least physically consensual when the crime occurred.
 
2014-08-31 06:06:05 PM  

studebaker hoch: While it is not legally possible for a minor to consent to sex with an adult, I hope it was at least physically consensual when the crime occurred.


I hope there was enough lube and gerbils.
 
2014-08-31 06:35:39 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Bathia_Mapes: xanadian: 1.  Good luck with that.
2.  You didn't notice the kid looked a bit young when you met up?  What are you, retarded?
3.  Good luck with that.

Yep, especially #2. After seeing the boy was underage why didn't this guy just walk away? Your average 13 year old doesn't look 18.

Eh. When I was 18 I looked 13. Combination of a baby face with parents who believed sports were of the devil. I've known guys growing up who were the opposite (including one poor guy who was 16 going on 43).

When I was a bartender, I quickly learned how important it is to card people - it is much, much harder than you'd think to guess someone's age by looking.

Do an experiment if you think you have superpowers. Pretend that being wrong once means you lose your job or worse.

I don't know the details of this case beyond the article, but I'd give this guy the benefit of the doubt and go after the pimp.


Yup.

This isn't news, people. That's why convenience stores now ID anyone that appears under 30, because you can't farking tell with a good number of folks.
 
2014-08-31 06:39:20 PM  

studebaker hoch: While it is not legally possible for a minor to consent to sex with an adult, I hope it was at least physically consensual when the crime occurred.


I think the emphasis must be on legally.

The story is vague, but apparently, this is a minor who on his own with no coercion

+ downloaded the grindr app
+ clicked past its terms of service
+ engaged in typical grindr usage, ie, chatting/flirting/sexting
+ set up a meeting IRL with a relatively anonymous stranger
+ traveled to a location to meet the man
+ had sex with this man

It's difficult for me to understand how, outside the legal definition, this wasn't consensual sex.

The story is vague. How did this incident come to light? My guess is a parent examining the kid's cellphone, or wondering about the travel...

Is Grindr liable? I am not a lawyer, but the activities on these chat sites include sexting, which at the least makes Grindr the conduit for child porn when underage kids send dick pics to others. Were I that guy, I'd be suing Grindr too regarding the negligence of their age verification process if sexting with another Grindr user opened me up to child porn distribution charges.
 
2014-08-31 06:47:02 PM  
You mean the point of this app WASN'T as a way to pick up underage boys?
 
2014-08-31 07:52:49 PM  

Daedalus27: Ashtrey: Freshman/Sophmore year of college I had a friend who would stop at a chain of gas stations notorious for checking id and give the girl money to get him cigarettes while he made a call. He basically contracted out carding his dates.

And if they have a fake id, he would be just as screwed under statutory rape laws.  You could check a license, birth certificate, affidavit from their parent, etc., but if they are faked, you are still criminally liable if they are underage.  Your only real hope is jury nullification because the law is clear, you have sex with anyone underage no matter what steps you take to prevent it, that is statutory rape.


And that's the way it should be.

Because it is rape whether youre aware of it or not.

People should be careful if there is even the slightest suspicion.
 
2014-08-31 08:36:16 PM  

smurfnazi: I am 43.
I still get asked for ID at bars.

CSB


I was in my late 30s before they stopped asking for ID.
 
2014-08-31 09:41:54 PM  
The age of consent in New Jersey is only 16, and this guy thought the kid looked even younger than that. Yeah, not much of a defense there.
 
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