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2014-08-31 05:32:29 AM  
Gotta love this quote FTFA: "One thing is clear from Garon's case, and that's that officers should not allow DUI suspects to slip into a convenience store to chug a beer after a fatal crash. "

Romero is everywhere.
 
2014-08-31 06:54:53 AM  
I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.
 
2014-08-31 06:57:39 AM  
This is Fark so I can't believe we're not blaming the 81-year old driver who was killed, for having the nerve to drive through a green light.
 
2014-08-31 07:00:35 AM  

opiumpoopy: This is Fark so I can't believe we're not blaming the 81-year old driver who was killed, for having the nerve to drive through a green light.


Her political history has yet to come out. If she's voted the wrong way, Fark would be on her like something on something. I leave those 'something's to individual imaginations based on color, creed, gender, gender identity and other assorted nonsense that folk feel empowered by.
 
2014-08-31 07:10:41 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: Gotta love this quote FTFA: "One thing is clear from Garon's case, and that's that officers should not allow DUI suspects to slip into a convenience store to chug a beer after a fatal crash. "

Romero is everywhere.


True, but I have a feeling that is easier said than done which is why the officer wasn't disciplined, but there was a discussion.

opiumpoopy: This is Fark so I can't believe we're not blaming the 81-year old driver who was killed, for having the nerve to drive through a green light.


Now you have me wondering if somebody that is sober runs a red light and has an accident with someone that is drunk, who'd be at fault?
 
2014-08-31 07:13:32 AM  
"I was so upset that I chugged that whole bottle of whiskey that I keep in the glove box while I was waiting for you to arrive" has been used successfully more than once.

not by me.
 
2014-08-31 07:14:18 AM  

robohobo: opiumpoopy: This is Fark so I can't believe we're not blaming the 81-year old driver who was killed, for having the nerve to drive through a green light.

Her political history has yet to come out. If she's voted the wrong way, Fark would be on her like something on something. I leave those 'something's to individual imaginations based on color, creed, gender, gender identity and other assorted nonsense that folk feel empowered by.


Fortunately, the article has supplied us with cues to help this process. 81 years old! Wal-Mart! With his wife! By a Rolls Royce!
 
2014-08-31 07:16:43 AM  

Super Chronic: robohobo: opiumpoopy: This is Fark so I can't believe we're not blaming the 81-year old driver who was killed, for having the nerve to drive through a green light.

Her political history has yet to come out. If she's voted the wrong way, Fark would be on her like something on something. I leave those 'something's to individual imaginations based on color, creed, gender, gender identity and other assorted nonsense that folk feel empowered by.

Fortunately, the article has supplied us with cues to help this process. 81 years old! Wal-Mart! With his wife! By a Rolls Royce!


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2014-08-31 07:16:56 AM  

Two Dogs Farking: Gotta love this quote FTFA: "One thing is clear from Garon's case, and that's that officers should not allow DUI suspects to slip into a convenience store to chug a beer after a fatal crash. "

Romero is everywhere.


I kind of wish Romero would also have pointed out that one beer ain't pushing anyone from under the limit to a .25 blood-test reading an hour later, but alas.
 
2014-08-31 07:23:00 AM  

robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.


Please expound.
 
2014-08-31 07:26:57 AM  

robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.


I've got a better idea.  Don't answer the door.  Pretend you're not home.  This may not work if they have a "warranty" (lol, still laughing about the comments from that story last night) or if they've been called on a noise complaint and the noise is still ongoing.

I'm not sure why you would need to answer the door with booze in hand.  I figure if I make it home and shut the garage door with my car in one piece still, I'm home free.

Since I didn't hit anyone, there's no reason for the cops to knock on my door.  There's even less of a reason to answer it.

Now if I had hit someone - well, now it gets tricky if I had been drinking.  Do I risk a DUI charge or should I go for fleeing the scene of an accident?

I don't drive drunk, but I will drive after 1 or 2 beers.  Sometimes I wonder what would happen if I hit one of the cop cars that a couple of my neighbors drive and I know I'd have to call the police and say "Hi, I just ran into a police car parked on whatever street" and then I'd either get arrested or at best have to spend the next 3 hours explaining how my car ran into theirs and filling out paperwork.

Anyway, the last time a cop knocked on my door was because of a noise complaint.  I cranked up the tunes for about 10 minutes because my neighbor was playing video games too loud.  I stopped after 2 songs and thought the problem was solved because I couldn't hear their video game anymore.  5 minutes later my doorbell rang.  I crept downstairs, beer in hand.  All the lights inside are off.  I peered out the window.  The doorbell rang again, 3 times in a row, then the knocking.   I just thought, WTF are you going to do?  I know why you're here, but there's no noise that you can hear, is there?

He wrote a note on the back of his business card saying something about "excessive noise" and it's a $1000 fine.  As it turns out, it is up to $1000 fine and it's a misdemeanor so I could have a criminal record if I had answered the door.

I think better advice is to just not answer the door.
 
2014-08-31 07:27:16 AM  
I've seen this work, although it made the patrol officer very mad.  I think this is why they have laws allowing them to convict you of drunk driving if you merely have your keys and proximity to the vehicle.  Of course some police abuse this and arrest drunks sleeping it off in parking lots.
 
2014-08-31 07:28:24 AM  
Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine
 
2014-08-31 07:30:07 AM  

lewismarktwo: I think this is why they have laws allowing them to convict you of drunk driving if you merely have your keys and proximity to the vehicle.


Never heard of that.  I thought that would be a PI.
 
2014-08-31 07:30:13 AM  
We had an incident here where a drunk driver crashed into a building. He got out of his car, went around the block to a bar, and started throwing down shots. By time the police arrived all they could charge him with were the usual traffic citations like leaving the scene of an accident and reckless driving. They weren't able to charge him with DUI.
 
2014-08-31 07:35:56 AM  

wichitaleaf: robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

Please expound.

robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

Please expound.
gfid:
robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

I've got a better idea.  Don't answer the door.  Pretend you're not home.  This may not work if they have a "warranty" (lol, still laughing about the comments from that story last night) or if they've been called on a noise complaint and the noise is still ongoing.

I'm not sure why you would need to answer the door with booze in hand.  I figure if I make it home and shut the garage door with my car in one piece still, I'm home free.

Since I didn't hit anyone, there's no reason for the cops to knock on my door.  There's even less of a reason to answer it.

Now if I had hit someone - well, now it gets tricky if I had been drinking.  Do I risk a DUI charge or should I go for fleeing the scene of an accident?

I don't drive drunk, but I will drive after 1 or 2 beers.  Sometimes I wonder what would happen if I hit one of the cop cars that a couple of my neighbors drive and I know I'd have to call the police and say "Hi, I just ran into a police car parked on whatever street" and then I'd either get arrested or at best have to spend the next 3 hours explaining how my car ran into theirs and filling out paperwork.

Anyway, the last time a cop knocked on my door was because of a noise complaint.  I cranked up the tunes for about 10 minutes because my neighbor was playing video games too loud.  I stopped after 2 songs and thought the problem was solved because I couldn't hear their video game anymore.  5 minutes later my doorbell rang.  I crept downstairs, beer in hand.  All the lights inside are off.  I peered out the window.  The doorbell rang again, 3 times in a row, then the knocking.   I just thought, WTF are you going to do?  I know why you're here, but there's no noise that you can hear, is there?

H ...


This too, which I should have mentioned. But I'm baked as fark. Yeah, not answering the door is the best option. Anyway, to the guy who wondered about the bottle in hand, if you had happened to hit and run or something, and either left a trail of fluid or been followed by a do-gooder citizen or something, the police have no way of knowing when you started drinking, or how you absorb booze, All they can determine is your blood alcohol level, And they don't know how much or fast you can drink. Hit and run vs hit and run AND DUI is a crazy gulf.


For example. if you were to hit and run someone while drunk, and your car has been damaged such as it leaks fluids creating a trail to your house(cause I guess people are that stupid) or there are witnesses who somehow point the police to your house, it's wise to open the door while drinking, so your drunk driving can't be proven since they can't prove just how long/much you've been drinking in the comfort of your own home. Hit and run vs hit and run AND DUI.
 
2014-08-31 07:36:21 AM  

soupafi: Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine


Not really.

I've had them let us call a cab, and that was less
 
2014-08-31 07:37:01 AM  

robohobo: wichitaleaf: robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

Please expound.
robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

Please expound.gfid: robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.

I've got a better idea.  Don't answer the door.  Pretend you're not home.  This may not work if they have a "warranty" (lol, still laughing about the comments from that story last night) or if they've been called on a noise complaint and the noise is still ongoing.

I'm not sure why you would need to answer the door with booze in hand.  I figure if I make it home and shut the garage door with my car in one piece still, I'm home free.

Since I didn't hit anyone, there's no reason for the cops to knock on my door.  There's even less of a reason to answer it.

Now if I had hit someone - well, now it gets tricky if I had been drinking.  Do I risk a DUI charge or should I go for fleeing the scene of an accident?

I don't drive drunk, but I will drive after 1 or 2 beers.  Sometimes I wonder what would happen if I hit one of the cop cars that a couple of my neighbors drive and I know I'd have to call the police and say "Hi, I just ran into a police car parked on whatever street" and then I'd either get arrested or at best have to spend the next 3 hours explaining how my car ran into theirs and filling out paperwork.

Anyway, t ...


And DUI is a CRAZY gulf. I have no farking idea what went wrong with the formatting of that post.
 
2014-08-31 07:37:23 AM  
\47 is the new 42: Now you have me wondering if somebody that is sober runs a red light and has an accident with someone that is drunk, who'd be at fault?

According to anecdotal reports I've heard from random people, the drunk is considered at fault.  I think that's bullshiat.  Either the stories I've heard are bullshiat or it's bullshiat that you are considered at fault even if some sober driver in reality causes the accident.

But what if 2 drunk drivers get into an accident?  Can they both be at fault?

I got excused from jury duty once because I said that I believed in most accidents there was someone at fault.  My guess is the defense was angling for a "sometimes accidents happen and it's nobody's fault" argument.

It didn't come up during jury selection, but I will say I don't believe you can always automatically blame the drunk.
 
2014-08-31 07:38:00 AM  

soupafi: Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine


I think the DUI manslaughter and vehicular homicide might have had something to do with it, but that's just my guess.
 
2014-08-31 07:38:41 AM  

TheYeti: soupafi: Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine

Not really.

I've had them let us call a cab, and that was less


Lol...too fast on the button.

Less than 10 years ago after a wedding. I mean, no breathalyzer or anything and the driver wasn't blotto but admitted to having been drinking, so the cop gave us the choice of calling a cab and leaving the car in a parking lot or having a field sobriety test.
 
2014-08-31 07:40:36 AM  

wikid one: We had an incident here where a drunk driver crashed into a building. He got out of his car, went around the block to a bar, and started throwing down shots. By time the police arrived all they could charge him with were the usual traffic citations like leaving the scene of an accident and reckless driving. They weren't able to charge him with DUI.


Drinking after a stop in WA is an admission of guilt. Your scenario wouldn't work in some states.
 
2014-08-31 07:42:49 AM  

gfid: According to anecdotal reports I've heard from random people, the drunk is considered at fault.  I think that's bullshiat.  Either the stories I've heard are bullshiat or it's bullshiat that you are considered at fault even if some sober driver in reality causes the accident.


The person who ran the read light would be at fault, but the accident would be counted as "alcohol related".
 
2014-08-31 07:44:28 AM  

TheYeti: soupafi: Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine

Not really.

I've had them let us call a cab, and that was less


Did you read the part where he killed someone? I think that's important.
 
2014-08-31 07:49:05 AM  
If you're three times the legal limit you'll need a lot more than a can of Miller Lite to muddy how drunk you were at the time of the crash.
 
2014-08-31 07:57:30 AM  

Target Builder: If you're three times the legal limit you'll need a lot more than a can of Miller Lite to muddy how drunk you were at the time of the crash.


Exactly.  You better have three Steel Reserves at least.  Maybe toss in an MD 20/20 for good measure.
 
2014-08-31 07:58:25 AM  
TheYeti:

Less than 10 years ago after a wedding. I mean, no breathalyzer or anything and the driver wasn't blotto but admitted to having been drinking, so the cop gave us the choice of calling a cab and leaving the car in a parking lot or having a field sobriety test.

you rang? ;)
 
2014-08-31 08:00:47 AM  

riverwalk barfly: lewismarktwo: I think this is why they have laws allowing them to convict you of drunk driving if you merely have your keys and proximity to the vehicle.

Never heard of that.  I thought that would be a PI.


Florida here - there was a businessman who called a cab from a bar, then went to his car for his briefcase while the cabbie waited.  DUI upheld (having keys = control of vehicle) even with cab drivers testimony (because having control he conceivable could have ditched the cab I suppose).

/true as far as you can believe DUI school lessons
 
2014-08-31 08:02:25 AM  

robohobo: I've got a neighbor who's a lawyer who deals with such cases. His one big piece of advice is that if the police are at your door, always open the door with a beer/bottle of booze in hand. Apparently it's gotten a good deal of folk out of more serious trouble.


A local politician here drunkenly crashed his car into a public building many years ago. He got out of the car and ran to a nearby bar. He was an attorney so he knew the trick. It worked.
 
2014-08-31 08:05:23 AM  

riverwalk barfly: lewismarktwo: I think this is why they have laws allowing them to convict you of drunk driving if you merely have your keys and proximity to the vehicle.

Never heard of that.  I thought that would be a PI.


That's been the law in many states for years now.  Well, I think lewis may be exaggerating a bit.  I'm drunk right now and I could be on an interstate highway in about 3 and a 1/2 minutes, but I'm not breaking any laws.

Such laws are designed to deal with people who have obviously been driving drunk but the cops didn't actually observe them driving.

What follows is a true story.

This guy I know was drunk and driving down the highway.   He got a flat tire and pulled over to put on his spare.  A cop pulled up to offer assistance, harass him, arrest him or whatever.  It seems pretty obvious that he didn't just get drunk after he had the flat tire, but the cop didn't arrest him because apparently that wouldn't be enough to convict him under the laws as they were written at the time.

What's bullshiat is when they use these laws to prosecute people who were purposefully NOT driving because they didn't want to drive drunk.  Let's say I stumble out of a bar at 2 AM and get in my car.  Before I even put the keys in the ignition I tell myself I'm way too drunk to drive and so I get in the back seat and pass out with the intent of sleeping until I was sober enough to drive.

That kind of abuse actually incentivizes drunks to drive instead of risking getting a Parking Under the Influence arrest.
 
2014-08-31 08:09:59 AM  

gfid: Such laws are designed to deal with people who have obviously been driving drunk but the cops didn't actually observe them driving.


Goddamned police state.

I believe it though. A friend of mine was arrested for lying on the hood of his car whilst drunk. I was there.
 
2014-08-31 08:11:27 AM  

TheYeti: TheYeti: soupafi: Is Florida serious with drunk driving? The guy got 17 years, Minnesota probably would of been at most 2 years or just a fine

Not really.

I've had them let us call a cab, and that was less

Lol...too fast on the button.

Less than 10 years ago after a wedding. I mean, no breathalyzer or anything and the driver wasn't blotto but admitted to having been drinking, so the cop gave us the choice of calling a cab and leaving the car in a parking lot or having a field sobriety test.


I'm pretty sure that you are no longer drunk 10 years after the wedding - unless your liver is the laziest ass-bastard to ever metabolize.
 
2014-08-31 08:16:10 AM  
Also, I keep forgetting to mention it in my posts even though it was just about the first thing I thought of.

This was an episode of Boston Legal or maybe Ally McBeal (yeah, I used to watch those shows....*hangs head in shame*).

The large female lawyer advised her client who had just been pulled over to drink.

I don't remember if it worked for him or not.
 
2014-08-31 08:19:17 AM  

gfid: riverwalk barfly: lewismarktwo: I think this is why they have laws allowing them to convict you of drunk driving if you merely have your keys and proximity to the vehicle.

Never heard of that.  I thought that would be a PI.

That's been the law in many states for years now.  Well, I think lewis may be exaggerating a bit.  I'm drunk right now and I could be on an interstate highway in about 3 and a 1/2 minutes, but I'm not breaking any laws.

Such laws are designed to deal with people who have obviously been driving drunk but the cops didn't actually observe them driving.

What follows is a true story.

This guy I know was drunk and driving down the highway.   He got a flat tire and pulled over to put on his spare.  A cop pulled up to offer assistance, harass him, arrest him or whatever.  It seems pretty obvious that he didn't just get drunk after he had the flat tire, but the cop didn't arrest him because apparently that wouldn't be enough to convict him under the laws as they were written at the time.

What's bullshiat is when they use these laws to prosecute people who were purposefully NOT driving because they didn't want to drive drunk.  Let's say I stumble out of a bar at 2 AM and get in my car.  Before I even put the keys in the ignition I tell myself I'm way too drunk to drive and so I get in the back seat and pass out with the intent of sleeping until I was sober enough to drive.

That kind of abuse actually incentivizes drunks to drive instead of risking getting a Parking Under the Influence arrest.


That's kind of correct,
 the law states that if you are in the vehicle, and the vehicle is not running, but you have the ABILITY to have control over that vehicle, then you can be convicted for DUI.  The reasoning behind it is you can no longer claim that you were simply "just sleeping in your car" when you are found passed out behind the wheel with the vehicle off.
 
2014-08-31 08:21:42 AM  

MassAsster: That's kind of correct,
 the law states that if you are in the vehicle, and the vehicle is not running, but you have the ABILITY to have control over that vehicle, then you can be convicted for DUI.  The reasoning behind it is you can no longer claim that you were simply "just sleeping in your car" when you are found passed out behind the wheel with the vehicle off.


Well the law is bullshiat.
 
2014-08-31 08:41:15 AM  

MassAsster: the law states that if you are in the vehicle, and the vehicle is not running, but you have the ABILITY to have control over that vehicle, then you can be convicted for DUI.  The reasoning behind it is you can no longer claim that you were simply "just sleeping in your car" when you are found passed out behind the wheel with the vehicle off.


"ability to control the vehicle" is what's open to interpretation I guess.  If you're passed out, slumped over the steering wheel at a traffic light and your engine died because you took your foot off the clutch too quickly that should be an arresting.

But "ability to control the vehicle" is kind of ironic because the whole point of arresting people for DUI is that they lack the ability to control the vehicle.


But how far do you have to go?  Can you just get in the back seat?  What if you keep the engine running because it's 5 degrees outside?  So many questions.
 
2014-08-31 09:06:31 AM  
I like discussing law, let's look at the law!

§ 40-6-391.  Driving under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or other intoxicating substances; penalties; publication of notice of conviction for persons convicted for second time; endangering a child


   (a) A person shall not drive or be in actual physical control of any moving vehicle while:

   (1) Under the influence of alcohol to the extent that it is less safe for the person to drive;

   (2) Under the influence of any drug to the extent that it is less safe for the person to drive;

   (3) Under the intentional influence of any glue, aerosol, or other toxic vapor to the extent that it is less safe for the person to drive;

   (4) Under the combined influence of any two or more of the substances specified in paragraphs (1) through (3) of this subsection to the extent that it is less safe for the person to drive;

   (5) The person's alcohol concentration is 0.08 grams or more at any time within three hours after such driving or being in actual physical control from alcohol consumed before such driving or being in actual physical control ended; or

   (6) Subject to the provisions of subsection (b) of this Code section, there is any amount of marijuana or a controlled substance, as defined in Code Section 16-13-21, present in the person's blood or urine, or both, including the metabolites and derivatives of each or both without regard to whether or not any alcohol is present in the person's breath or blood.
 
2014-08-31 09:07:31 AM  

gfid: But "ability to control the vehicle" is kind of ironic because the whole point of arresting people for DUI is that they lack the ability to control the vehicle.


Not at all.

That's why DUI laws were originally passed. Now it's more about THEY DRANK THE DEMON RUM! and not about ability. I mean 0.08 is nothing.

Sensible countries pass laws not because alcohol is impairing their ability but because it MIGHT IN THE FUTURE.

That's why Japan and Germany both have 0.00% acceptable BAC. It avoids immoral and wrongheaded thinking that claims alcohol impairs driving 100% of the time, and can be objectively demonstrated to be false. Instead they simply say NO ALCOHOL WHATSOEVER and it is morally superior to lies.
 
2014-08-31 09:07:44 AM  

gfid: Also, I keep forgetting to mention it in my posts even though it was just about the first thing I thought of.

This was an episode of Boston Legal or maybe Ally McBeal (yeah, I used to watch those shows....*hangs head in shame*).

The large female lawyer advised her client who had just been pulled over to drink.

I don't remember if it worked for him or not.


Picket Fences did it
 
2014-08-31 09:08:50 AM  
I arrested a lady for DUI/DUI with Property Damage on Friday night so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-08-31 09:09:11 AM  
or being in actual physical control from alcohol consumed before such driving or being in actual physical control ended

this is really the key wording -  Meaning that if the Officer can prove you have actual physical control over the vehicle, you can be arrested for DUI.  Loosely interpreted, you have the keys to the vehicle. You can't really take control over the vehicle without the keys, right?
 
2014-08-31 09:15:53 AM  
Also begs the question -  does doglover care for Dog Man ?
 
2014-08-31 09:20:30 AM  

MassAsster: Also begs the question -  does doglover care for Dog Man ?


Not per se.

I don't even like all dogs, really. I mean who let chiuaua into the club?
 
2014-08-31 09:21:17 AM  
I wonder what dogwelder had to day about it.
 
2014-08-31 09:24:43 AM  

gfid: But how far do you have to go? Can you just get in the back seat? What if you keep the engine running because it's 5 degrees outside? So many questions.


Back in the 80s (adjusts onion on belt) I knew a guy who left a bar, his friend was going to drive him home. Said friend wanted to get some girl's number, so he handed the drunk guy his keys and said go wait in the car. Drunk guy is sitting in the passenger seat, keys in ignition so he could turn the radio on.

Cop rolls up, drunk in the passenger seat gets a DUI. Keys in the ignition + he's the only one in the car.  He hired a lawyer, to no avail.
 
2014-08-31 09:29:21 AM  

gfid: Also, I keep forgetting to mention it in my posts even though it was just about the first thing I thought of.

This was an episode of Boston Legal or maybe Ally McBeal (yeah, I used to watch those shows....*hangs head in shame*).

The large female lawyer advised her client who had just been pulled over to drink.

I don't remember if it worked for him or not.


Don't seek legal advice from Boston Legal, medical advice from Doctor Oz, or relationship advice from Doctor Phil.
 
2014-08-31 09:38:31 AM  
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Worked for this guy.   Ran over a man in a wheelchair and got away with it.
 
2014-08-31 09:47:48 AM  

doglover: MassAsster: Also begs the question -  does doglover care for Dog Man ?

Not per se.

I don't even like all dogs, really. I mean who let chiuaua into the club?


True, I don't call the Chihuahua a dog at all, more of a rat on a leash..
 
2014-08-31 09:54:19 AM  

xnmw: gfid: Also, I keep forgetting to mention it in my posts even though it was just about the first thing I thought of.

This was an episode of Boston Legal or maybe Ally McBeal (yeah, I used to watch those shows....*hangs head in shame*).

The large female lawyer advised her client who had just been pulled over to drink.

I don't remember if it worked for him or not.

Picket Fences did it


I was thinkin the same thing but I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that show.
 
2014-08-31 09:59:30 AM  

gfid: \47 is the new 42: Now you have me wondering if somebody that is sober runs a red light and has an accident with someone that is drunk, who'd be at fault?

According to anecdotal reports I've heard from random people, the drunk is considered at fault.  I think that's bullshiat.  Either the stories I've heard are bullshiat or it's bullshiat that you are considered at fault even if some sober driver in reality causes the accident.

But what if 2 drunk drivers get into an accident?  Can they both be at fault?

I got excused from jury duty once because I said that I believed in most accidents there was someone at fault.  My guess is the defense was angling for a "sometimes accidents happen and it's nobody's fault" argument.

It didn't come up during jury selection, but I will say I don't believe you can always automatically blame the drunk.


I read an article (maybe on fark) about a sober bicyclist who ran a stop sign and was hit by an impaired driver. Cyclist dies, driver charged with (and convicted of) manslaughter. Somebody will always be blamed. That's how things are now. We can't just say "well that's unfortunate," we have to throw somebody under the bus.
 
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