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(BBC-US)   Group of fundamentalist Jews forced to leave Guatemalan village, just as they were forced to leave Canada. And by forced they mean "over stayed their welcome by acting like religious fundamentalists"   (bbc.com) divider line 118
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2014-08-30 05:19:14 PM  
Isn't there a country that was established for the very reason of providing Jews with a safe haven to practice their religion free of persecution and would let them in via the right of return with no questions asked?
 
2014-08-30 05:31:38 PM  
Still a lot more sensible than sending them to Palestine and forcing the US taxpayer to subsidize the occupation. (Although I suspect this is one of those fringe ultra orthodox groups that rejects Zionism).
 
2014-08-30 05:33:09 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Isn't there a country that was established for the very reason of providing Jews with a safe haven to practice their religion free of persecution and would let them in via the right of return with no questions asked?


Yeah, but Miami is a sh*thole. I'd rather live in Guatemala.

Or Guatepeor.
 
2014-08-30 05:37:52 PM  

nickdaisy: rejects Zionism


That makes them terrorists if they don't recognize Israel's right to exist, doesn't it?
 
2014-08-30 05:48:42 PM  
Third world problems.
 
2014-08-30 07:50:15 PM  
Most secular or less-religious Jews don't get along with these right-wing ultra-orthodox or Hasidic groups. They're often not Zionist and have some pretty crazy views on things.

It's just like any other form of religious fundamentalism.

They've basically overtaken the town I grew up in by claiming that their homes are synagogues and therefore paying little to no taxes.
 
2014-08-30 07:52:38 PM  
 
2014-08-30 07:54:00 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: nickdaisy: rejects Zionism

That makes them terrorists if they don't recognize Israel's right to exist, doesn't it?


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2014-08-30 07:54:55 PM  
When Pharaoh wouldn't let the Israelites leave, they had to throw locusts, frogs and rivers of blood to get away. Maybe they can do a reverse Moses and have curses performed on the village to soften their hearts.
 
2014-08-30 07:55:33 PM  
Regardless of what Jews and Israel actually do, its anti-Semitic and your a Nazi if you criticize their actions.
 
2014-08-30 07:59:32 PM  
 
2014-08-30 08:00:20 PM  
Lev Tahor?  Have you guys not heard about them?  They marry children.  They marry their 12 year old children.  That is all you need to know.
 
2014-08-30 08:00:48 PM  
"We act in self-defence and to respect our rights ... we need to conserve and preserve our culture," Miguel Vasquez, a spokesman for the elders council, said.

Yet, if anyone in the US says that about people coming north of the border to settle, that's racist.

/yup, I hope to be eating popcorn real soon
//isn't "conserve" and "preserve" the same thing in this context?
 
2014-08-30 08:00:58 PM  
This is pretty much why the "pilgrims" ended up in the new world at Plymouth Rock.  It wasn't about religious freedom.  They had that.  It was because they were such obnoxious assholes that they got kicked out of every decent country in the world.
 
2014-08-30 08:00:58 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Regardless of what Jews and Israel actually do, its anti-Semitic and your a Nazi if you criticize their actions.


YOU'RE a Nazi, you're....

/Jewish grammar Nazi strikes again!
//inverse godwin divide by zero score!
 
2014-08-30 08:02:49 PM  
"We are a people of peace and in ...."

Of course you are.
 
2014-08-30 08:03:17 PM  
If only there was a solution to this problem.

Something that would be final...
 
2014-08-30 08:05:01 PM  
*starts popping popcorn*
 
2014-08-30 08:06:55 PM  

Tyrosine: Some details on their issues with authorities in Canada.


From that link:

Denis Baraby with Quebec's Youth Protection, says his concerns go far beyond education. His team opened files on 128 children, documenting underweight kids, girls with fungus on their feet and unsanitary living conditions.

"We discovered houses that were dirty, garbage all around. The children, they slept 4 or 5 in each bedroom, some [on] mattresses that were full of urine."


Isn't cleanliness supposed to be next to... something. Someone remind me.
 
2014-08-30 08:09:08 PM  
"Meanwhile, the village elders said the Jewish members "wanted to impose their religion" and were undermining the Catholic faith that was predominant in San Juan La Laguna."

Hmm... I wonder how exactly that was playing out.  I live near a community of ultra-orthodox Jews. They wear old fashioned clothes, don't give a crap about local customs, and keep to themselves.  I wonder if this is what these village elders mean by 'impose their religion'.
 
2014-08-30 08:10:01 PM  
There is a very large absence of detail in that article.
 
2014-08-30 08:10:49 PM  
It's less about religion and more about, y'know, abuse against children.
 
2014-08-30 08:13:21 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Isn't there a country that was established for the very reason of providing Jews with a safe haven to practice their religion free of persecution and would let them in via the right of return with no questions asked?


Their rabbi is wanted in that country.
 
2014-08-30 08:14:46 PM  
Sounds like a useless group of assholes. They will try America next, since we are so slutty with regard to immigration. Just cry religious intolerance loudly enough.
 
2014-08-30 08:16:33 PM  

fusillade762: Tyrosine: Some details on their issues with authorities in Canada.

From that link:

Denis Baraby with Quebec's Youth Protection, says his concerns go far beyond education. His team opened files on 128 children, documenting underweight kids, girls with fungus on their feet and unsanitary living conditions.

"We discovered houses that were dirty, garbage all around. The children, they slept 4 or 5 in each bedroom, some [on] mattresses that were full of urine."

Isn't cleanliness supposed to be next to... something. Someone remind me.


Fordliness?
 
2014-08-30 08:17:46 PM  

Tyrosine: Some details on their issues with authorities in Canada.


Extremely disturbing.

The ultra orthodox of any religion are incredibly farked up and do a great disservice to their co religionist.

It's near impossible to leave these communities, it's as bad as any cult.
 
2014-08-30 08:19:03 PM  

OgreMagi: It wasn't about religious freedom. They had that.


Um, not really. This was just one of the larger pieces of the pie that made it not so. This was another big one which affected even more people than puritans like those at the Scrooby Congregation who emigrated(read 'snuck out')of England, as they were not allowed to leave while they were yet out of lockstep with the Church of England. Thomas More lost his head rather than change his beliefs.
 
2014-08-30 08:19:27 PM  

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I BET THE JEWS DID THIS

 
2014-08-30 08:20:18 PM  

Flab: InterruptingQuirk: Isn't there a country that was established for the very reason of providing Jews with a safe haven to practice their religion free of persecution and would let them in via the right of return with no questions asked?

Their rabbi is wanted in that country.


What kind of a jerk does an observant Jew have to be to lose friendship with the State of Israel?
 
2014-08-30 08:20:25 PM  
gis jewish pedobear?
 
2014-08-30 08:25:48 PM  

Abox: "Meanwhile, the village elders said the Jewish members "wanted to impose their religion" and were undermining the Catholic faith that was predominant in San Juan La Laguna."

Hmm... I wonder how exactly that was playing out.  I live near a community of ultra-orthodox Jews. They wear old fashioned clothes, don't give a crap about local customs, and keep to themselves.  I wonder if this is what these village elders mean by 'impose their religion'.


I don't know. Maybe things like using public spaces for their own imposition of religious mores.

like http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051399/Bloomberg-outraged-ul t ra-orthodox-Jewish-bus-women-told-sit-back.html
or  special tax supported school districts like in this wiki piece. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
or something like this http://www.christianpost.com/news/signs-urging-people-to-dress-modest l y-in-jewish-neighborhood-stir-emotions-in-brooklyn-new-york-124022/
 
2014-08-30 08:26:27 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: "We act in self-defence and to respect our rights ... we need to conserve and preserve our culture," Miguel Vasquez, a spokesman for the elders council, said.

Yet, if anyone in the US says that about people coming north of the border to settle, that's racist.

/yup, I hope to be eating popcorn real soon
//isn't "conserve" and "preserve" the same thing in this context?


Yet they're upset that the Jews are undermining their Catholicism. Maybe go back to pre-Spanish spiritual practices if you want to preserve your own culture.
 
2014-08-30 08:26:45 PM  

moeburn: Lev Tahor?  Have you guys not heard about them?  They marry children.  They marry their 12 year old children.  That is all you need to know.


Yep.  The founder was arrested for sex abuse on a boy when he was in Brooklyn, and then deported to Israel.  Canada is/was attempting to keep the children from leaving Canada due to sex abuse.
 
2014-08-30 08:27:34 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: nickdaisy: rejects Zionism

That makes them terrorists if they don't recognize Israel's right to exist, doesn't it?


In the late 1800s, the default Jewish position was that God would make an obviously miraculous act to return the Jews to Israel.  To make a large-scale return on their own initiative was the Jews forcing God to bow to their wishes, which was blasphemous.  When Zionism started, the biggest opponanats were Jews, because it wasn't just blasphemous to tempt God, but it was secular Jews leading the movement - so double-blasphemous.  Only after there was a serious push in Jewish communities to immigrate did you see a shift.  The justification was that they couldn't let the secular Jewish population offend the Holy Land, so religious Jews were forced to go to Israel to balance things out.
 
2014-08-30 08:28:04 PM  

TanSau: If only there was a solution to this problem.

Something that would be final...


The Jewish question is, are you Bavariaware that's unorthodox? I could keep Göring and Göring but I have to turn the gas on my grill so I can exterminate some Nurembergers.
 
2014-08-30 08:29:45 PM  

Dreadskull: Maybe go back to pre-Spanish spiritual practices if you want to preserve your own culture.


A people's culture is whatever they decide it is.
 
2014-08-30 08:32:10 PM  

reggaejunkiejew: Prophet of Loss: Regardless of what Jews and Israel actually do, its anti-Semitic and your a Nazi if you criticize their actions.

YOU'RE a Nazi, you're....

/Jewish grammar Nazi strikes again!
//inverse godwin divide by zero score!


I knew when I posted it some asshole would ...

/wordcrimes
 
2014-08-30 08:32:17 PM  
 
2014-08-30 08:32:25 PM  

Dreadskull: Yet they're upset that the Jews are undermining their Catholicism.


Your lies are undermining our lies.
 
2014-08-30 08:33:13 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Regardless of what Jews and Israel actually do, its anti-Semitic and your a Nazi if you criticize their actions.


Yet no matter what anyone says about the topic of Jews, Prophet of Loss will get all butt-hurt and whiny about it. Tragedy!
 
2014-08-30 08:37:02 PM  

Abox: "Meanwhile, the village elders said the Jewish members "wanted to impose their religion" and were undermining the Catholic faith that was predominant in San Juan La Laguna."

Hmm... I wonder how exactly that was playing out.  I live near a community of ultra-orthodox Jews. They wear old fashioned clothes, don't give a crap about local customs, and keep to themselves.  I wonder if this is what these village elders mean by 'impose their religion'.


Well the Samar Hasids in Williamsburg, make a fuss about girls showing skin when riding their bikes through their neighborhood, I imagine this is a bit more extreme.
 
2014-08-30 08:38:10 PM  

phalamir: InterruptingQuirk: nickdaisy: rejects Zionism

That makes them terrorists if they don't recognize Israel's right to exist, doesn't it?

In the late 1800s, the default Jewish position was that God would make an obviously miraculous act to return the Jews to Israel.  To make a large-scale return on their own initiative was the Jews forcing God to bow to their wishes, which was blasphemous.  When Zionism started, the biggest opponanats were Jews, because it wasn't just blasphemous to tempt God, but it was secular Jews leading the movement - so double-blasphemous.  Only after there was a serious push in Jewish communities to immigrate did you see a shift.  The justification was that they couldn't let the secular Jewish population offend the Holy Land, so religious Jews were forced to go to Israel to balance things out.


www.yobeat.com
 
2014-08-30 08:38:27 PM  

Flab: InterruptingQuirk: Isn't there a country that was established for the very reason of providing Jews with a safe haven to practice their religion free of persecution and would let them in via the right of return with no questions asked?

Their rabbi is wanted in that country.


He fled Israel after the US deported him there.
 
2014-08-30 08:39:45 PM  

northguineahills: Abox: "Meanwhile, the village elders said the Jewish members "wanted to impose their religion" and were undermining the Catholic faith that was predominant in San Juan La Laguna."

Hmm... I wonder how exactly that was playing out.  I live near a community of ultra-orthodox Jews. They wear old fashioned clothes, don't give a crap about local customs, and keep to themselves.  I wonder if this is what these village elders mean by 'impose their religion'.

Well the Samar Hasids in Williamsburg, make a fuss about girls showing skin when riding their bikes through their neighborhood, I imagine this is a bit more extreme.


I imagine it isn't.  So it equals out.
 
2014-08-30 08:39:52 PM  

atomic-age: Sounds like a useless group of assholes. They will try America next, since we are so slutty with regard to immigration. Just cry religious intolerance loudly enough.


Their rabbi has already been arrested and deported from the US.
/whoops, I repeated myself.
 
2014-08-30 08:42:09 PM  
Does anyone actually know what they did to offend the locals?  Like, literal examples of what was done?
 
2014-08-30 08:46:43 PM  

nytmare: Prophet of Loss: Regardless of what Jews and Israel actually do, its anti-Semitic and your a Nazi if you criticize their actions.

Yet no matter what anyone says about the topic of Jews, Prophet of Loss will get all butt-hurt and whiny about it. Tragedy!


Your opinion means zero to me personally. Keep it to yourself. If you want to attack my point and instead of childish ad-hominem then by all means. Until then, the only one whining here is you.
 
2014-08-30 08:50:24 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: TanSau: If only there was a solution to this problem.

Something that would be final...

The Jewish question is, are you Bavariaware that's unorthodox? I could keep Göring and Göring but I have to turn the gas on my grill so I can exterminate some Nurembergers.


www.maniacworld.com
 
2014-08-30 08:53:11 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 239x300]
I BET THE JEWS DID THIS


I laughed way too much at that.

/golf clap
 
2014-08-30 08:58:11 PM  
This lunatic fringe group is a cult with a charismatic leader who they blindly follow.  Just like in all religions, you have people in the grip of fanaticism who use religion to alienate other people and often, the cult leader is a pedophile.

We've seen it all before. I feel really bad for the kids.
 
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