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2014-08-30 11:38:56 AM
FInal solution?
 
2014-08-30 11:47:12 AM
Well, given the results of a Google search for most Samsung products, they're not completely wrong.
 
2014-08-30 11:54:35 AM
I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.
 
2014-08-30 01:02:41 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.


Yep
 
2014-08-30 02:28:07 PM
Having used HERE on Windows Phone, I have to say that it is a solid navigation app. Not as many bells and whistles as Google Maps, but generally it is accurate with directions. Where it really shines is being able to save a map to the phone memory on a state or country level. This is huge for me, because often I'm out in national parks areas with no tower coverage, or I'm up in Vancouver where I'm getting charged out the ass for international data roaming, so having navigation that doesn't need a data connection to work is a big win for me.

Google lets you save map info offline, but only for a relatively small grid. I just can't download all of British Columbia with one tap like I can with HERE. Also, last I checked Google Maps can't start a navigation route when offline, so you're still SOL even with all the map data stored locally.

Again, not as fancy as Google Maps, bit it gets the job done well in my experience.
 
2014-08-30 02:37:14 PM
So instead of bundlng Google's shiatware I don't want or need and can't remove from the phone they are using their own proprietary shiatware that I don't want or need and can't remove from the phone.

Colour me thrilled.
 
2014-08-30 02:38:42 PM
Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?
 
2014-08-30 02:45:11 PM
Oh, a smartphone OS thread.

Here comes Asshole, Bigger Asshole, and Charty-Linky.
 
2014-08-30 03:06:21 PM

Mentat: ecmoRandomNumbers: I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.

Yep


Yup
 
hej
2014-08-30 03:10:39 PM

Duane Dibbley: So instead of bundlng Google's shiatware I don't want or need and can't remove from the phone they are using their own proprietary shiatware that I don't want or need and can't remove from the phone.

Colour me thrilled.


Sounds like you don't want our need a smartphone in the first place.
 
2014-08-30 03:12:30 PM

Mad_Radhu: Having used HERE on Windows Phone, I have to say that it is a solid navigation app. Not as many bells and whistles as Google Maps, but generally it is accurate with directions. Where it really shines is being able to save a map to the phone memory on a state or country level. This is huge for me, because often I'm out in national parks areas with no tower coverage, or I'm up in Vancouver where I'm getting charged out the ass for international data roaming, so having navigation that doesn't need a data connection to work is a big win for me.

Google lets you save map info offline, but only for a relatively small grid. I just can't download all of British Columbia with one tap like I can with HERE. Also, last I checked Google Maps can't start a navigation route when offline, so you're still SOL even with all the map data stored locally.

Again, not as fancy as Google Maps, bit it gets the job done well in my experience.


I've always hated the Here maps. No matter how much I optimized the directions, it kept taking me on the slowest route to some clients. I don't think they factor in lights to their routing information. It might favor a road with a high enough speed limit over a highway, not realizing that the lights can slow you down.

I stick to Waze for the Windows Phone.
 
2014-08-30 03:33:23 PM

SVenus: Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?


Google sold Motorola to Lenovo a while back (after raiding the patent cupboard).
 
2014-08-30 03:41:18 PM
"Sir! Apple has replaced Google Maps with their own app, and it's a huge fiasco!"

"How come they're always one step ahead of us?"
 
2014-08-30 03:55:23 PM
With HERE you can download entire states and never worry about hitting dead zones with GPS. I'm not reading that they are MAKING you use it. You can still download Gmaps from the store just like with iOS.
 
2014-08-30 03:58:06 PM

Galius_Persnickety: "Sir! Apple has replaced Google Maps with their own app, and it's a huge fiasco!"

"How come they're always one step ahead of us?"


Except this is a not trying to create their own, this is getting on board with the map company that runs Bing and Garman.  That's a pretty big difference, there.
 
2014-08-30 04:01:23 PM
Is Samsung going to merge with Google, and move Google's HQ to Korea?  (Taking a cue from
Comcast and Burger King, apparently.)
 
2014-08-30 04:02:37 PM
Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?
 
2014-08-30 04:07:39 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Google sold Motorola to Lenovo a while back (after raiding the patent cupboard).


I stand corrected, but that goes to my point of them eventually just buying the hardware (maker) they need. I'm thinking HTC or cutting another hardware deal. Not only can they pay with cash, but perhaps some of the patents are worth trading as well.
 
2014-08-30 04:33:33 PM

Bslim: Mentat: ecmoRandomNumbers: I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.

Yep

Yup


Not just this, but I don't trust Samsung.  I like our S3, S4 and S4 mini.  They are good hardware.  So is the LCD TV and the bluray player we have with them.  Both of those are supposed to be 'smart' devices as well  The problem is that Samsung's approach to adding or updating apps is that you really should buy a new TV or Player.  I'm sure it will be similar on their phones as well.  The latest version of maps will only work on the next Galaxy Sx, sorry S5 owners.

So I'll just stick with GMaps and if I really need a better mapping application, there are plenty for sale on Google Play, and they are much cheaper than a phone.
 
2014-08-30 04:42:43 PM

Ryan2065: Mad_Radhu: Having used HERE on Windows Phone, I have to say that it is a solid navigation app. Not as many bells and whistles as Google Maps, but generally it is accurate with directions. Where it really shines is being able to save a map to the phone memory on a state or country level. This is huge for me, because often I'm out in national parks areas with no tower coverage, or I'm up in Vancouver where I'm getting charged out the ass for international data roaming, so having navigation that doesn't need a data connection to work is a big win for me.

Google lets you save map info offline, but only for a relatively small grid. I just can't download all of British Columbia with one tap like I can with HERE. Also, last I checked Google Maps can't start a navigation route when offline, so you're still SOL even with all the map data stored locally.

Again, not as fancy as Google Maps, bit it gets the job done well in my experience.

I've always hated the Here maps. No matter how much I optimized the directions, it kept taking me on the slowest route to some clients. I don't think they factor in lights to their routing information. It might favor a road with a high enough speed limit over a highway, not realizing that the lights can slow you down.

I stick to Waze for the Windows Phone.


Good luck with that.

http://pocketnow.com/2014/08/18/waze-no-update-for-windows-phone 

Once Google bought Waze, they decided to stop developing it for Windows Phone.  Because they're dicks.
 
2014-08-30 04:57:55 PM

SVenus: Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?


I have an LG now that is ok. Better than the Droid I had years ago.  I still my iPhone though, which I had from an old work place.
 
2014-08-30 04:58:33 PM

SVenus: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Google sold Motorola to Lenovo a while back (after raiding the patent cupboard).

I stand corrected, but that goes to my point of them eventually just buying the hardware (maker) they need. I'm thinking HTC or cutting another hardware deal. Not only can they pay with cash, but perhaps some of the patents are worth trading as well.


Project Ara, man. It's gonna be interesting.
 
2014-08-30 05:43:29 PM

SVenus: Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?


Google sold Motorola.
They have no hardware play.
 
2014-08-30 05:56:17 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: SVenus: Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?

Google sold Motorola.
They have no hardware play.


It will be interesting to see what Lenovo brings to the West after that acquisition.
 
2014-08-30 06:04:44 PM
Nokia Maps have always been incredible.

My family home in Colombia is on a street with an official name, that not many people know, and has a name that people in the area call it, which is not official.

Apple and Google can give me a lat/long gps location when I am in front of the house.

Next shows all the streets, my address, and both street names.
 
2014-08-30 06:20:34 PM
Nokia Ovi/Here maps are pretty good and has great offline maps/navigation. If Google ever decided to support real offline maps and navigation then they would be just as good as Here Maps.
 
2014-08-30 06:50:31 PM

BullBearMS: Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?


Good question. How has it been working out?

I'm not familiar with Korean stocks but Samsung hasn't gone anywhere. Sure as hell haven't been "eaten alive." As usual you were full of shiat.
 
2014-08-30 06:57:13 PM
ah samsung, the company who's hardware just burned hole through my pillow. that could've been my whole house. that's why i'm not scared of either korea hitting anyone with a missile. they're just NOT good engineers.
 
2014-08-30 08:11:07 PM
They should just Google: Google, and break the Internets.
 
2014-08-30 09:36:14 PM
The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.

I seem to remember Samsung saying they needed Tizen to better utilize the wearable stuff they are coming out with. Didn't stop motorola from making their own watch or google from developing a modular phone.
 
2014-08-30 10:16:52 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?

Good question. How has it been working out?

I'm not familiar with Korean stocks but Samsung hasn't gone anywhere. Sure as hell haven't been "eaten alive." As usual you were full of shiat.


Really?

Fitch Ratings, a major credit rating agency in the US, shared negative sentiment Tuesday on Samsung's chances in the smartphone market over the next year. Nitin Soni, director of corporate rating at Fitch, predicted that Samsung's worldwide smartphone market share will fall from 31 percent this year to 25 percent in 2015, reported The Wall Street Journal.

In July, Samsung reported troubling second-quarter earnings as its operating profits fell 25 percent, marking it's third straight quarter of profit declines.

"Prospects for growth remain unclear as competition over global market share intensifies in the mobile industry," the company said last month.


At least you're consistently wrong.
 
2014-08-30 10:25:21 PM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.


Samsung's problem is that Chinese vendors like Xaiomi, Huawei, and Oppo are selling flagship level Android devices at very near their cost of manufacturing. A true race to the bottom.

The only thing slowing them down is that they can't manufacture devices fast enough to meet demand.

Samsung is farked.
 
2014-08-30 10:27:22 PM

BullBearMS: Fat Man Of La Mancha: The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.

Samsung's problem is that Chinese vendors like Xaiomi, Huawei, and Oppo are selling flagship level Android devices at very near their cost of manufacturing. A true race to the bottom.

The only thing slowing them down is that they can't manufacture devices fast enough to meet demand.

Samsung is farked.


As a tech manager of one of the largest cell carriers in the US, who also works in South America, where are all these phones?
 
2014-08-30 10:33:34 PM

theflatline: BullBearMS: Fat Man Of La Mancha: The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.

Samsung's problem is that Chinese vendors like Xaiomi, Huawei, and Oppo are selling flagship level Android devices at very near their cost of manufacturing. A true race to the bottom.

The only thing slowing them down is that they can't manufacture devices fast enough to meet demand.

Samsung is farked.

As a tech manager of one of the largest cell carriers in the US, who also works in South America, where are all these phones?


Did you miss the part about them being unable to keep up with local demand?

Xiaomi's greatest strength is its execution. A lot of things the company does are not unique, but Xiaomi does a fantastic job of whatever it puts its mind to. So yes, the front of the Mi4 (pronounced mee-four) is basically a big iPhone, but it's also built like an iPhone. A steel frame with chamfered edges, thin bezels, and impeccable construction make this the best Android hardware we've seen all year.

On the inside, everything in the Mi4 is top shelf. It has a quad core 2.5GHz Snapdragon 801, 3GB of RAM, 16 or 64GB (!) of internal storage, a 3080mAh battery, and best of all, no silly gimmicks. Everything that is here is here for a reason; it works. Xiaomi even managed to out-spec-sheet Samsung's Galaxy S5 with more RAM (3GB vs 2GB) and a bigger battery (3080mAh vs 2800 mAh). A Galaxy S5 costs $700 unlocked, but the MSRP on a Mi4 is only about $320 (1999 Yuan).

Xiaomi doesn't do business in America, and it can never seem to make enough devices to meet demand. That makes getting a Mi4 into the US a little more complicated and expensive. Xiaomi normally sells its devices to consumers directly, but we had to go through an importer, which ended up costing $480. Even after the 50-percent markup, it still feels worth it compared to an unlocked Galaxy S5.


Better hardware. Half the price. Samsung is farked.
 
2014-08-30 11:04:06 PM

BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: Fat Man Of La Mancha: The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.

Samsung's problem is that Chinese vendors like Xaiomi, Huawei, and Oppo are selling flagship level Android devices at very near their cost of manufacturing. A true race to the bottom.

The only thing slowing them down is that they can't manufacture devices fast enough to meet demand.

Samsung is farked.

As a tech manager of one of the largest cell carriers in the US, who also works in South America, where are all these phones?

Did you miss the part about them being unable to keep up with local demand?

Xiaomi's greatest strength is its execution. A lot of things the company does are not unique, but Xiaomi does a fantastic job of whatever it puts its mind to. So yes, the front of the Mi4 (pronounced mee-four) is basically a big iPhone, but it's also built like an iPhone. A steel frame with chamfered edges, thin bezels, and impeccable construction make this the best Android hardware we've seen all year.

On the inside, everything in the Mi4 is top shelf. It has a quad core 2.5GHz Snapdragon 801, 3GB of RAM, 16 or 64GB (!) of internal storage, a 3080mAh battery, and best of all, no silly gimmicks. Everything that is here is here for a reason; it works. Xiaomi even managed to out-spec-sheet Samsung's Galaxy S5 with more RAM (3GB vs 2GB) and a bigger battery (3080mAh vs 2800 mAh). A Galaxy S5 costs $700 unlocked, but the MSRP on a Mi4 is only about $320 (1999 Yuan).

Xiaomi doesn't do business in America, and it can never seem to make enough devices to meet demand. That makes getting a Mi4 into the US a little more complicated and expensive. Xiaomi normally sells its devices to consumers directly, but we had to go through an importer, which ended up costing $480. Even after the 50-percent markup, it s ...


You mean apple is farked.
 
2014-08-30 11:14:35 PM

theflatline: You mean apple is farked.


Unlike Apple, Samsung uses Android just like the guys making better phones that cost half as much. Apple differentiates itself with iOS.

Even worse, Samsung's skin turns Android into bloat ridden crap, while the new guy's skin actually makes their device run faster than stock Android.

The most striking thing about MIUI is the speed: it's ridiculously fast. Faster even than stock Android. All the scrolling is buttery smooth, all the time. Even Google's apps feel faster on MIUI. While most Android skins add bloat and feel like they slow the phone down, MIUI adds speed.

Samsung is farked.
 
2014-08-30 11:31:54 PM

Fat Man Of La Mancha: The problem with all of this Samsung is you can't just steal ideas and sell it cheaper like you did with Apple. Google gives it away for free and if the best you can do is an "also-ran" imitation your never going to succeed.

I seem to remember Samsung saying they needed Tizen to better utilize the wearable stuff they are coming out with. Didn't stop motorola from making their own watch or google from developing a modular phone.


I agree with them on Tizen. The Motorola watch and many other smart watches that are coming out run Android Wear, which absolutely requires it to be synced with an Android 4.3 and up phone to even so much as display the time. A Tizen watch, like the one they just announced, can be independent of the phone's OS.
 
2014-08-31 12:57:38 AM

Mentat: ecmoRandomNumbers: I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.

Yep


Same. When the warranty & contract is up on this here s4a, ima rootin it.

But I do like the quick access to some settings via downswipe.
 
2014-08-31 08:41:04 AM

BullBearMS: Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?

Good question. How has it been working out?

I'm not familiar with Korean stocks but Samsung hasn't gone anywhere. Sure as hell haven't been "eaten alive." As usual you were full of shiat.

Really?

Fitch Ratings, a major credit rating agency in the US, shared negative sentiment Tuesday on Samsung's chances in the smartphone market over the next year. Nitin Soni, director of corporate rating at Fitch, predicted that Samsung's worldwide smartphone market share will fall from 31 percent this year to 25 percent in 2015, reported The Wall Street Journal.

In July, Samsung reported troubling second-quarter earnings as its operating profits fell 25 percent, marking it's third straight quarter of profit declines.

"Prospects for growth remain unclear as competition over global market share intensifies in the mobile industry," the company said last month.

At least you're consistently wrong.


None of that has equated to "farked" or "eaten alive." Obviously you wouldn't apply the same hyperbole to similar cherry-picked declines in Apple's market share or stock value we've seen during the last few years.

This isn't about Samsung, Google, or Apple--they're all doing fine (or better) for now. The main takeaway here is that you're full of shiat, as usual.
 
2014-08-31 10:19:56 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I have disabled all the Samsung stuff on my Galaxy S3 as is possible. Their proprietary apps are like the dollar-store version of Google.


I like Samsung's Calender better than Google's.

Aside from that, I agree.
 
2014-08-31 10:51:27 AM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?

Good question. How has it been working out?

I'm not familiar with Korean stocks but Samsung hasn't gone anywhere. Sure as hell haven't been "eaten alive." As usual you were full of shiat.

Really?

Fitch Ratings, a major credit rating agency in the US, shared negative sentiment Tuesday on Samsung's chances in the smartphone market over the next year. Nitin Soni, director of corporate rating at Fitch, predicted that Samsung's worldwide smartphone market share will fall from 31 percent this year to 25 percent in 2015, reported The Wall Street Journal.

In July, Samsung reported troubling second-quarter earnings as its operating profits fell 25 percent, marking it's third straight quarter of profit declines.

"Prospects for growth remain unclear as competition over global market share intensifies in the mobile industry," the company said last month.

At least you're consistently wrong.

None of that has equated to "farked" or "eaten alive." Obviously you wouldn't apply the same hyperbole to similar cherry-picked declines in Apple's market share or stock value we've seen during the last few years.

This isn't about Samsung, Google, or Apple--they're all doing fine (or better) for now. The main takeaway here is that you're full of shiat, as usual.


Samsung isn't basing it's finanical future on cell phones. So both the analysts and BullBear are not so much 'wrong' as they are 'irrelevant and missing the point'.
 
2014-08-31 11:28:58 AM

BullBearMS: theflatline: You mean apple is farked.

Unlike Apple, Samsung uses Android just like the guys making better phones that cost half as much. Apple differentiates itself with iOS.

Even worse, Samsung's skin turns Android into bloat ridden crap, while the new guy's skin actually makes their device run faster than stock Android.

The most striking thing about MIUI is the speed: it's ridiculously fast. Faster even than stock Android. All the scrolling is buttery smooth, all the time. Even Google's apps feel faster on MIUI. While most Android skins add bloat and feel like they slow the phone down, MIUI adds speed.

Samsung is farked.


It's adorable that you think phone OS is a meaningful differentiator to the common consumer.

Its about hardware and price point now. And marketing.
 
2014-08-31 11:33:40 AM

Herr Flick's Revenge: SVenus: Yeah. Samsung isn't in competition with Apple so much as it is with Google.
As with cable back in the old days, the realization that creating your own content contains more potential for profit than simply having people paying for your simple product. That realization changes your business model. People may not like it.

I decided to leave Samsung phones for LG after seeing how nice the last version of (LG produced) Nexus phones did in the hands of a relative.
I figured if I could handle Samsung's crapware, I could manage LG's ecosystem. I was correct, and the LG G3 phone is a very nice product. Still, some pushy LG app crap notifications pop up, so it's not perfect.

I'm sure Google will perfect its hardware model some(Motorola), and will have a very strong product for the Nexus line.

It's all about the ecosystem. Apple is still the strongest in holding on to their fans, Google is monstrous, and the Chinese will do for their own.  Then comes everybody else. Samsung is poised to be ... what? A substitute? The way they are doing this, they run the course of pissing away a lot of goodwill they've built up with consumers like me.

/also rans in the ecosystem include Amazon who may not take no for an answer with their Fire phone offering. The Kindle Fire tablets are winning over hearts.
//Microsoft who?

Google sold Motorola.
They have no hardware play.


Project Ara. Google is not sitting around.
 
2014-08-31 11:34:17 AM

Tigger: Samsung isn't basing it's finanical future on cell phones. So both the analysts and BullBear are not so much 'wrong' as they are 'irrelevant and missing the point'.


They would probably point out that Samsung's recent profit growth has been driven by smartphone sales, which is true and relevant.

But the error is in trying to push a story where there isn't one.  It's the same idiocy that's calling the iPad "doomed" because sales recently dropped, or that all of Apple was farked back in 2012-2013 because their stock dropped 40%.  There are corrections and longer-term declines--I wouldn't guarantee any tech company's success beyond a 5-year timeframe--but none of what we've seen amounts to "farked."  Samsung is probably going through a correction from the overhype and overrating of their new stuff, similar to Apple's bubble a couple of years ago, but life will go on.
 
2014-08-31 11:36:13 AM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Tigger: Samsung isn't basing it's finanical future on cell phones. So both the analysts and BullBear are not so much 'wrong' as they are 'irrelevant and missing the point'.

They would probably point out that Samsung's recent profit growth has been driven by smartphone sales, which is true and relevant.


Which is true. But Samsung is not considering it to be a driver of future profit growth because they know the market has commodotised.
 
2014-08-31 11:48:31 AM

Tigger: Which is true. But Samsung is not considering it to be a driver of future profit growth because they know the market has commodotised.


Then what do they have to replace that income? I know they're in a ton of different industries but none as profitable.  Even their innovative stuff like flexible displays won't necessarily translate into huge profits.

The giant boost from Galaxy products was probably a case of right-place-right-time, but not sustainable.  They'll continue to do fine, just not at that level.  Few companies actually do, which is why it's idiotic to call a correction like that being "eaten alive."
 
2014-08-31 12:01:39 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Tigger: Which is true. But Samsung is not considering it to be a driver of future profit growth because they know the market has commodotised.

Then what do they have to replace that income? I know they're in a ton of different industries but none as profitable.  Even their innovative stuff like flexible displays won't necessarily translate into huge profits.

The giant boost from Galaxy products was probably a case of right-place-right-time, but not sustainable.  They'll continue to do fine, just not at that level.  Few companies actually do, which is why it's idiotic to call a correction like that being "eaten alive."


Healthcare is one. Their annual report is pretty open about where they see future growth.
 
2014-08-31 12:29:48 PM

Tigger: Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Yankees Team Gynecologist: BullBearMS: Remember a few months back when I told everyone they should really dump their Samsung stock because they were about to get eaten alive by their "race to the bottom" Chinese competitors?

How's that been working out?

Good question. How has it been working out?

I'm not familiar with Korean stocks but Samsung hasn't gone anywhere. Sure as hell haven't been "eaten alive." As usual you were full of shiat.

Really?

Fitch Ratings, a major credit rating agency in the US, shared negative sentiment Tuesday on Samsung's chances in the smartphone market over the next year. Nitin Soni, director of corporate rating at Fitch, predicted that Samsung's worldwide smartphone market share will fall from 31 percent this year to 25 percent in 2015, reported The Wall Street Journal.

In July, Samsung reported troubling second-quarter earnings as its operating profits fell 25 percent, marking it's third straight quarter of profit declines.

"Prospects for growth remain unclear as competition over global market share intensifies in the mobile industry," the company said last month.

At least you're consistently wrong.

None of that has equated to "farked" or "eaten alive." Obviously you wouldn't apply the same hyperbole to similar cherry-picked declines in Apple's market share or stock value we've seen during the last few years.

This isn't about Samsung, Google, or Apple--they're all doing fine (or better) for now. The main takeaway here is that you're full of shiat, as usual.

Samsung isn't basing it's finanical future on cell phones. So both the analysts and BullBear are not so much 'wrong' as they are 'irrelevant and missing the point'.


Full of shiat much?

Despite being a massive electronics company that sells TVs, refrigerators, computers, cameras, and components, Samsung has become increasingly dependant on smartphone sales. Last quarter, smartphones accounted for 76 percent of the company's profit.
 
2014-08-31 12:49:09 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: They'll continue to do fine, just not at that level. Few companies actually do, which is why it's idiotic to call a correction like that being "eaten alive."


Oh, please. When the vast majority of your profit comes from high end phones, and your competition is producing better devices, with better software, for half the price... You're farked.

The only thing saving them is that their Chinese competitors are still learning how to produce devices in extremely high volumes. Once they are capable of meeting demand, Samsung is well and truly farked.
 
2014-08-31 01:04:00 PM

BullBearMS: Oh, please. When the vast majority of your profit comes from high end phones, and your competition is producing better devices, with better software, for half the price... You're farked.

The only thing saving them is that their Chinese competitors are still learning how to produce devices in extremely high volumes. Once they are capable of meeting demand, Samsung is well and truly farked.


Keep backpedaling and qualifying while you fark that chicken.  Wake me up when it actually happens, and try not to move the goalposts too much between now and then.
 
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