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2014-08-30 08:34:22 AM  
I have a good feeling for a future political dynasty here. You have an excellent chance of being elected if you're a real son of a Fitch.
 
2014-08-30 09:10:03 AM  

Snarfangel: I have a good feeling for a future political dynasty here. You have an excellent chance of being elected if you're a real son of a Fitch.


♪ Now you're votin' for a... A son of a Fitch... Now you're votin' for a son-of-a-Fitch...♪

/tune: Nazareth, Hair of the Dog
 
2014-08-30 11:07:55 AM  
Funny how he just ignored all the reasons people gave in exit polls for not voting for him.
Denial is a helluva drug.
 
2014-08-30 11:09:10 AM  
He should move to Mississippi.
 
2014-08-30 11:10:49 AM  
How can you boycott a place you've never purchased from: see also hobby lobby, Burger King, Russian made products.
 
2014-08-30 11:16:30 AM  
So, Hawaii's Democratic Governor will be named Ige, now, instead of Fitch?
BFD.
 
2014-08-30 11:18:04 AM  

JolobinSmokin: How can you boycott a place you've never purchased from: see also hobby lobby, Burger King, Russian made products.


You can walk in, say "Over!" way too loudly, look at the displays for half an hour and then leave.
 
2014-08-30 11:18:17 AM  
The next time some BSABSVR False Equivalence Independent Farkwit comes along throw this quote in their face...

"But Abercrombie said losing was worth it to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. There's no way I could live with myself if I thought I was diminishing another human being's ability to reach their full capacity,"

and then ask them how the sore loser Teabagger lawsuit is going.
 
2014-08-30 11:41:04 AM  
Great. Now he's going to unleash Stitches upon Honolulu, and it will wreak mass carnage upon the citizenry.
 
2014-08-30 11:41:52 AM  
I find this somewhat unlikely, given that it's improbable that the other democrat in the primary opposes gay marriage.  So there'd be no reason to cross over for this particular reason.

I mean, I guess it's possible but that's a pretty uncommon sentiment for a Democrat.
 
2014-08-30 11:44:47 AM  

lindalouwho: Funny how he just ignored all the reasons people gave in exit polls for not voting for him.
Denial is a helluva drug.


Of course, those may be secondary reasons to the gay marriage issue.  It's possible they didn't want to seem bigoted to the pollsters.
 
2014-08-30 11:46:11 AM  

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"The truth is now known to you: I am a Walter."

 
2014-08-30 11:48:49 AM  
We're going to hear about this gay marriage shiat for at least the rest of the decade, aren't we? Just give it up, conservatives, it's over.
 
2014-08-30 11:49:29 AM  
No way to know what really happened. This is another example of why we should do away with party primaries and instead do some sort of preference voting in a single election, like instant runoff. We wouldn't have to hear this excuse any more.
 
2014-08-30 11:55:30 AM  

lindalouwho: Funny how he just ignored all the reasons people gave in exit polls for not voting for him.
Denial is a helluva drug.


Because he didn't bother to link to any info at all.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321625/-How-Hawaii-Gov-Nei l- Abercrombie-lost-by-36-points
 
2014-08-30 11:56:16 AM  

kabloink: lindalouwho: Funny how he just ignored all the reasons people gave in exit polls for not voting for him.
Denial is a helluva drug.

Of course, those may be secondary reasons to the gay marriage issue.  It's possible they didn't want to seem bigoted to the pollsters.


But it was a primary election, he lost to another Dem.

See Jim_Callahan's comment.

/of course, anything is possible
 
2014-08-30 11:58:57 AM  

John the Magnificent: The next time some BSABSVR False Equivalence Independent Farkwit comes along throw this quote in their face...

"But Abercrombie said losing was worth it to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. There's no way I could live with myself if I thought I was diminishing another human being's ability to reach their full capacity,"

and then ask them how the sore loser Teabagger lawsuit is going.


Because the guy still whining about blah people voting for his opponent is exactly the same as a guy who accepted a price for ensuring equal rights to all, and then didn't sue.
This, apparently, is what Conservatives actually 'think'
/Mississippian

Mugato: We're going to hear about this gay marriage shiat for at least the rest of the decade, aren't we? Just give it up, conservatives, it's over.


It mobilizes morons. Even magnificent ones.
/was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2014-08-30 12:01:12 PM  

MrLint: lindalouwho: Funny how he just ignored all the reasons people gave in exit polls for not voting for him.
Denial is a helluva drug.

Because he didn't bother to link to any info at all.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321625/-How-Hawaii-Gov-Nei l- Abercrombie-lost-by-36-points


That read was...something.
 
2014-08-30 12:09:06 PM  

John the Magnificent: The next time some BSABSVR False Equivalence Independent Farkwit comes along throw this quote in their face...

"But Abercrombie said losing was worth it to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. There's no way I could live with myself if I thought I was diminishing another human being's ability to reach their full capacity,"

and then ask them how the sore loser Teabagger lawsuit is going.



THIS20.
 
2014-08-30 12:29:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I find this somewhat unlikely, given that it's improbable that the other democrat in the primary opposes gay marriage.  So there'd be no reason to cross over for this particular reason.

I mean, I guess it's possible but that's a pretty uncommon sentiment for a Democrat.


FTFA: "Republicans are allowed to vote for Democrats in Hawaii's open primary, and Abercrombie said they chose to vote against him because of his support for gay marriage and because they think his party rival, state Sen. David Ige, is an easier target to beat in the general election."

I'm not expressing an opinion on the accuracy of the hypothesis, but it is not facially absurd. Suppose the Republicans are motivated by a desire to prevent gay marriage. The opponents have two candidates competing in the primary - both of them support gay marriage, beat one of them (it is presumed) will be easier to defeat than the other. If your motivation is opposition to gay marriage, supporting the more easily defeated opponent, even if pro-gay marriage, is a rational strategy.
 
2014-08-30 12:40:26 PM  
FTA "his proposal to tax pensioners."

There's the money quote. Don't tax old people!

/or at least bury it in some huge law...
 
2014-08-30 12:46:43 PM  

BMulligan: I'm not expressing an opinion on the accuracy of the hypothesis, but it is not facially absurd. Suppose the Republicans are motivated by a desire to prevent gay marriage. The opponents have two candidates competing in the primary - both of them support gay marriage, beat one of them (it is presumed) will be easier to defeat than the other. If your motivation is opposition to gay marriage, supporting the more easily defeated opponent, even if pro-gay marriage, is a rational strategy.


... And that's why people who vote in "open" primaries should get different ballots (say, red , white or blue) for Republican, Independent, and Democratic registrants.
 
2014-08-30 12:59:05 PM  

rubi_con_man: BMulligan: I'm not expressing an opinion on the accuracy of the hypothesis, but it is not facially absurd. Suppose the Republicans are motivated by a desire to prevent gay marriage. The opponents have two candidates competing in the primary - both of them support gay marriage, beat one of them (it is presumed) will be easier to defeat than the other. If your motivation is opposition to gay marriage, supporting the more easily defeated opponent, even if pro-gay marriage, is a rational strategy.

... And that's why people who vote in "open" primaries should get different ballots (say, red , white or blue) for Republican, Independent, and Democratic registrants.


I'm missing something. Isn't that the opposite of an open primary?

Here in Washington we have a "top two" primary system. While the candidates may list their preferred party affiliation on the ballot, they don't have to and the two candidates with the most votes advance to the general election, regardless of party affiliation. Here in the Soviet of Seattle we frequently end up with two Democrats on the general election ballot, while the flyover part of the state sometimes gets to choose between two Republicans. It's a mess, and a good way to make sure that the various parts of our state become even more estranged than we already were.
 
2014-08-30 01:14:20 PM  

whither_apophis: FTA "his proposal to tax pensioners."

There's the money quote. Don't tax old people!

/or at least bury it in some huge law...


Don't piss off the people that vote.
 
2014-08-30 01:23:10 PM  

mutterfark: /tune: Nazareth, Hair of the Dog


I really prefer the original version by GnR.
 
2014-08-30 01:38:26 PM  
Kiss of death.

"Campaign officials for Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie say President Barack Obama is endorsing Abercrombie's bid for re-election next year,"  . "The campaign said on its website Friday that Obama is backing Abercrombie because of his handling of state finances and approach to making tough choices."
 
2014-08-30 02:46:54 PM  

John the Magnificent: The next time some BSABSVR False Equivalence Independent Farkwit comes along throw this quote in their face...

"But Abercrombie said losing was worth it to pass a law legalizing gay marriage. There's no way I could live with myself if I thought I was diminishing another human being's ability to reach their full capacity,"

and then ask them how the sore loser Teabagger lawsuit is going.


Sounds like he was willing to fall on his own pork sword for his principles.
 
2014-08-30 02:46:57 PM  

yakmans_dad: He should move to Mississippi.



That is the first time those five words have appeared in that order.
 
2014-08-30 03:19:53 PM  
Republican gubernatorial candidate James "Duke" Aiona said he's flattered that Abercrombie thinks there are so many Republicans in Hawaii that they could have caused such a huge defeat.

Seriously, you can probably count the number of registered Republicans on the islands on two hands,  certainly not enough to make him lose by a 2:1 margin.
 
2014-08-30 03:26:09 PM  
OK Haoles, Listen Up!

At this point I just got to step in and give you a reality check. Republicans had nothing to do with this. Gay marriage had nothing to do with this. Neil Abercrombie being an incompetent windbag had everything to do with this.

I work by the State building out here. My friend's daughter's were the flower girls at the first gay wedding he oversaw at the strike of midnight on New Year.

I witnessed the anti-gay marriage rally from my office window. Yes, there was a turnout, but it was no where near as large as the HSTA (teacher's union) rally when he tried to screw them on their contracts. Guess which group shows up heavily at Democrat primaries?

The HSTA had been one of several unions and special interest groups who had endorsed Abercrombie for decades while he was in congress. The problem was that once Abercrombie got the the Governor's office, he could no longer get away with talking the talk: he had to walk the walk.... and he walked miserably.

This is a guy Hawaii voters had been voting into Congress for decades: we knew he was a flaming liberal. Heck, when he was in congress, he was consistently voted one of the most liberal members (he would get pissed if he wasn't in the top 3). We all know he's  liberal. There was no doubt or upset when he voted gay marriage into law.

However, within a single term, Abercrombie managed to flush several decades of political clout, good will and connections. RTFA: he outspent Ige by 10 to 1 and still lost!  How did he do this? quite simply, while he talked a good game in congress, he choked once he got in the command chair.

Political supporters and unions that had supported him for decades openly endorsed his opponent (and FYI: unions are HUGE out here). Democratic incumbents don't lose out here unless they screwed the pooch real bad.There just aren't enough Republicans or Jesus-Krispies out here to take out an incumbent Democratic governor. Not one that outspends his opponent 10 to 1 and still lose by more than a 2 to 1 margin (66% to 31%).

Abercromie's just in denial and needs someone to blame
 
2014-08-30 04:49:55 PM  

smitty04: Kiss of death.

"Campaign officials for Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie say President Barack Obama is endorsing Abercrombie's bid for re-election next year,"  . "The campaign said on its website Friday that Obama is backing Abercrombie because of his handling of state finances and approach to making tough choices."


Yes, the fiscal austerity championed by Barack Obama is bad politics and often bad policy as well, as liberals have been saying for the past five years.
 
2014-08-30 06:21:56 PM  
Unions rule the Democratic party.
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