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(Some Guy)   1. Issue traffic ticket to innocent drivers who will fight the cases. 2. List your buddy officer as a witness, even though he was not there. 3. Let him do it too. 4. Wait for prosecutors to subpoena you both to trials. 5. Voila! Overtime profit   (madworldnews.com) divider line 67
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2014-08-30 12:30:28 AM
Oh, boy, I can't wait to see the usual suspects beat "totality of circumstances" into a shape that magically excuses this one.
 
2014-08-30 12:37:56 AM
If these rocket scientists are doing it, it is a safe bet others are too.
 
2014-08-30 12:50:33 AM
Rudolph Farias, who was also being investigated by KHOU, committed suicide earlier this week inside a police parking garage. The officer was on the force for 21 years, and made $158,000 in the ticket-rigging scheme over the last three years.

Well that was nice of him to save taxpayer's money on that investigation.
 
2014-08-30 01:52:43 AM

scottydoesntknow: Rudolph Farias, who was also being investigated by KHOU, committed suicide earlier this week inside a police parking garage. The officer was on the force for 21 years, and made $158,000 in the ticket-rigging scheme over the last three years.

Well that was nice of him to save taxpayer's money on that investigation.


HOLY CRAP
160k?
still have to investigate to recover the stolen money
 
2014-08-30 03:08:38 AM
I knew a guy who overslept and was late to work, but he still put in for the full amount of overtime(it was about 4 hours) and he lost his certification because of it.

their careers are over. And probably with a huge amount of debt over their heads too.
 
2014-08-30 03:09:38 AM
I knew it would be Texas before reading article no surprise there.

I am surprised another cop reported them.
 
2014-08-30 03:10:42 AM

TAOCHOW: I knew it would be Texas before reading article no surprise there.

I am surprised another cop reported them.


You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.
 
2014-08-30 03:14:35 AM

Prophet of Loss: You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.


life is not a television show.
 
2014-08-30 03:14:43 AM
The related article, over the cop that offed himself in a similar ticket fixing scheme. Hey, they're not missed.
If they get life insurance under these circustances, just remove it, plus any "administrative" fees removed from the insurance payment. See, local government can "scheme" too.
 
2014-08-30 03:18:43 AM
FTA
"I can't assume there's an irregularity. I can't assume the officers falsified a government document. I can't assume anything until I have proof or evidence."

At least the cops are innocent untill proven guilty, or innocent, or something.
 
2014-08-30 03:19:15 AM

TAOCHOW: I knew it would be Texas before reading article no surprise there.

I am surprised another cop reported them.


Could have been Florida.


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20140829/ARTICLES/140829450
 
2014-08-30 03:23:51 AM

log_jammin: I knew a guy who overslept and was late to work, but he still put in for the full amount of overtime(it was about 4 hours) and he lost his certification because of it.

their careers are over. And probably with a huge amount of debt over their heads too.


Maybe, maybe not. Its unlikely that any cop involved with this will see any jail time. They may or may not even be fired. The chief is already sticking up for them. Even if they are fired there is the potential of them being rehired by another town. Or they just go into private security.

The guy who reported them is going to be screwed. He will probably be forced out, and blacklisted. If he is lucky and they dont just kill him.
 
2014-08-30 03:28:40 AM

namatad: scottydoesntknow: Rudolph Farias, who was also being investigated by KHOU, committed suicide earlier this week inside a police parking garage. The officer was on the force for 21 years, and made $158,000 in the ticket-rigging scheme over the last three years.

Well that was nice of him to save taxpayer's money on that investigation.

HOLY CRAP
160k?
still have to investigate to recover the stolen money


With him making that kind of OT I'm shocked he wasn't in court testifying at the same time that he was also witnessing a traffic violation
 
2014-08-30 03:30:08 AM

420Gabriel: Maybe, maybe not. Its unlikely that any cop involved with this will see any jail time. They may or may not even be fired. The chief is already sticking up for them. Even if they are fired there is the potential of them being rehired by another town.


No they won't see jail time. They will most like lose their certification and have to pay back a butt load of money. loss of certification maens they can't be a cop anymore.

420Gabriel: Or they just go into private security.


ok? They should lose their jobs, but I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to ever work again.

420Gabriel: The guy who reported them is going to be screwed. He will probably be forced out, and blacklisted. If he is lucky and they dont just kill him.


he'll be fine. Like I said, life is not a movie. In the real world being a cop is just another job.
 
2014-08-30 03:37:20 AM

log_jammin: Prophet of Loss: You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.

life is not a television show.


I don't understand this response. You are either saying that cops don't act like vindictive assholes even to their own kind, which is amazingly simple to prove, or you are saying something that is factually incorrect. So you are either being completely obvious, or wrong.
 
2014-08-30 03:37:54 AM
I'm sure when we wait for all the facts to come out, we will discover that those innocent drivers had it coming for the heinous crime of driving in the presence of law enforcement.

/if you haven't done anything wrong, why are you in the presence of police? They only show up to take care of bad people, so if they are at your door...
 
2014-08-30 03:41:02 AM

AgentPothead: So you are either being completely obvious, or wrong.


k.
 
2014-08-30 03:42:16 AM
It's the 99.99% that make the rest look bad.
 
2014-08-30 03:44:48 AM
Cunning cop cites concerned cop. Comprehensive corruption-free crusade commences.
 
2014-08-30 04:00:27 AM
the first rule of LA Confidential is that you dont talk about LA Confidential. i feel bad for the whistleblower who is going to possibly have to look over his shoulder.
 
2014-08-30 04:09:14 AM
I'm surprised the cop that was ticketed didn't flash his badge to get some "professional courtesy", thus no ticket.

Or maybe he did and got ticketed anyway so he started going over things to get it tossed and found the ghost witness.
 
2014-08-30 04:18:17 AM
And the cops word in court is better than yours so two cops saying you did something against your word means you're farked.

The DA could have a list of charges a mile long for this but I'll be surprised if they are even charged.

We really need state or federal level attorneys whos only job is to charge cops for wrong doing.
The local guys are too worried about pissing off the cops to do it most of the time,  or when they do it's a slap on the hand single charge,  unlike the 40 things they'll charge a regular guy with to pressure them into shiatty deals.
 
2014-08-30 04:19:35 AM
Relax, relax.

Cops only stick together like this on petty things like traffic tickets. They'd never cover each other's asses on something important, like a beating or illegal arrest or planting evidence or...
 
2014-08-30 04:23:04 AM

SquiggsIN: the first rule of LA Confidential is that you dont talk about LA Confidential. i feel bad for the whistleblower who is going to possibly have to look over his shoulder.


But remember the moral of that story! The cop who exposed corruption used it to get a promotion to lieutenant! Of course, he got shot for it...and there were a lot of corpses...and the magazine editor got himself killed, too...so did the Badge of Honor technical adviser...and the gay prostitute trying to get his big shot in Hollywood...

/So...lots of death is coming?
//Or something
 
2014-08-30 04:23:08 AM
Ok, so the cop lists his buddy as being present (and a witness) on a traffic ticket.   How hard would it be to pull the duty rosters and determine whether they were assigned as partners in the same patrol car, at the same time, when any tickets were issued?

$158,000 in 3 yrs.  That means that basically, instead of being out on the streets doing their jobs, they were likely spending an hour or two (perhaps much more) a day hanging out at the Courthouse to see if any of those who they had issued citations were going to show to challenge their tickets.  Considering it's not unusual for traffic dockets to run well behind schedule in many places, it could be as much as 4-5 hrs of their 8 hr shift that they were lounging around drinking coffee and flirting with the court clerks, instead of doing their actual jobs.  Hell, think about it, it's actually in their own self-interest to write bogus tickets every once in a while just to make sure that a driver showed up to challenge it.  (Or, they were going to the courthouse for 2-4 hrs a day and pulling an 8 hr shift, meaning they were certain to pick up 10-20 hrs of overtime (time and a half) pay per week.
 
2014-08-30 05:02:20 AM

Boo_Guy: We really need state or federal level attorneys whos only job is to charge cops for wrong doing.


Well I have two comments.

One is drivers when they fark up get points on their record, too many points and you lose your license. We should have something like that for cops, fark up and the judge adds a point to the cops record, too many points, the cop gets to find something else to do for a living. Or at least if the court thinks the cop is unreliable, then his testimony is no good. AKA court says to the police department, we don't care if you employ officer so and so, but we don't accept his testimony here anymore. Really should be a rule, if a cop can longer give testimony in a court of law, then he's fired.

The other, some companies force managers to rank employees every year. If anyone gets ranked in the lower 5% two years in a row, they get fired. Idea is they have to fire the lower performing 5% every year, they can't let them slide just because.

A third idea of mine is cops should be paid a stipend to cover insurance, that pays out if they fark up and someone sues. Insurance company gets to look at their personnel file. If a cop can't afford insurance he can't be a cop.
 
2014-08-30 05:35:00 AM

AgentPothead: log_jammin: Prophet of Loss: You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.

life is not a television show.

I don't understand this response. You are either saying that cops don't act like vindictive assholes even to their own kind, which is amazingly simple to prove, or you are saying something that is factually incorrect. So you are either being completely obvious, or wrong.


Log_jammin is one of our resident cops, IIRC. He knows whereof he speaks, in any case. Just because YOU have this idea that cops who report dirty cops wind up in Wesley Snipes movies being pursued by dastardly brother officers does not make it so, any more than the prevailing Fark belief that prison is nothing but continual butt-rape 24/7 is true.

Breaking the "code of silence" can lead to ostracism or worse, true; but ONLY in cases where the whistleblower has done something that leads to the punishment of an otherwise honorable officer, the disgrace or imprisonment of a well-liked individual, or smears the department for the personal benefit of the whistleblower. Reporting a dirty cop for breaking the law and making the department look bad, contrary to popular belief, is not only not a bad thing, it can be perceived as the right thing to do.

In this case, the cop was profiting by ripping off citizens in a fake traffic ticket scam; this is the kind of thing that leads to dangerous traffic stops (irate citizens leads to cops getting shot); so nobody is going to be behind this guy; and his dumbass buddy put himself at risk by agreeing to back up the ripoff artist over an easily-verifiable lie, thus proving he's much too stupid to rely on as a partner. Ergo, nobody's going to care too much when these too mooks go down.
 
2014-08-30 05:54:26 AM

Gyrfalcon: Log_jammin is one of our resident cops, IIRC.


I'm just a dispatcher.

But I've seen plenty of cops get other cops into trouble or fired. there is no Illuminati like "brotherhood" spanning 50 states and all the cities and counties within, that instantly turn on someone who gets another cop into trouble.
 
2014-08-30 06:08:13 AM
Of course the boss can't assume anything even though they have proof showing these guys not with the people at the time of the ticket writing.

I'll bet dollars to donuts this is one if those all cops do it for the extra money things. So the depts treat it as a perk.
 
2014-08-30 06:22:53 AM

log_jammin: Gyrfalcon: Log_jammin is one of our resident cops, IIRC.

I'm just a dispatcher.

But I've seen plenty of cops get other cops into trouble or fired. there is no Illuminati like "brotherhood" spanning 50 states and all the cities and counties within, that instantly turn on someone who gets another cop into trouble.


No "just" there.

I was a dispatcher for many years. We control EMS, and don't you ever forget it.
 
2014-08-30 07:06:56 AM

lawboy87: Ok, so the cop lists his buddy as being present (and a witness) on a traffic ticket.   How hard would it be to pull the duty rosters and determine whether they were assigned as partners in the same patrol car, at the same time, when any tickets were issued?

$158,000 in 3 yrs.  That means that basically, instead of being out on the streets doing their jobs, they were likely spending an hour or two (perhaps much more) a day hanging out at the Courthouse to see if any of those who they had issued citations were going to show to challenge their tickets.  Considering it's not unusual for traffic dockets to run well behind schedule in many places, it could be as much as 4-5 hrs of their 8 hr shift that they were lounging around drinking coffee and flirting with the court clerks, instead of doing their actual jobs.  Hell, think about it, it's actually in their own self-interest to write bogus tickets every once in a while just to make sure that a driver showed up to challenge it.  (Or, they were going to the courthouse for 2-4 hrs a day and pulling an 8 hr shift, meaning they were certain to pick up 10-20 hrs of overtime (time and a half) pay per week.


A couple things, first, this time at the courthouse is in addition to their regular shifts, so they're not hanging out in court rather than on the streets.

Also, most of the cops that I've known have either worked four 10 hour shifts or three 12 shifts.  I get the feeling that 8 hour police shifts are rare.
 
2014-08-30 07:28:23 AM

log_jammin: ok? They should lose their jobs, but I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to ever work again.


They should be allowed to work again.

After they finish their prison sentences for the fraud and the perjury.
 
2014-08-30 07:43:16 AM
" Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. "

Hmmmm....
 
2014-08-30 08:03:42 AM

maram500: SquiggsIN: the first rule of LA Confidential is that you dont talk about LA Confidential. i feel bad for the whistleblower who is going to possibly have to look over his shoulder.

But remember the moral of that story! The cop who exposed corruption used it to get a promotion to lieutenant! Of course, he got shot for it...and there were a lot of corpses...and the magazine editor got himself killed, too...so did the Badge of Honor technical adviser...and the gay prostitute trying to get his big shot in Hollywood...

/So...lots of death is coming?
//Or something


There will be blood?  and great gnashing of teeth?  Or at least a lot of uncomfortable conversations/investigations/revelations.
 
2014-08-30 08:48:22 AM
This is what comes of paying them overtime. Better to pay them per ticket. If they won't get paid overtime for the hearing, they'll see the profit margin shrink and they'll only write legit tickets.
 
2014-08-30 09:01:07 AM
Police, the only witnesses in court being legally paid to represent their employer.  Anyone else would get their testimonies tossed out if the court learned they were being paid to testify by one of the parties in the hearing.

/Somehow I think there must be more scamming going on here.
 
2014-08-30 09:05:21 AM

SphericalTime: lawboy87: Ok, so the cop lists his buddy as being present (and a witness) on a traffic ticket.   How hard would it be to pull the duty rosters and determine whether they were assigned as partners in the same patrol car, at the same time, when any tickets were issued?

$158,000 in 3 yrs.  That means that basically, instead of being out on the streets doing their jobs, they were likely spending an hour or two (perhaps much more) a day hanging out at the Courthouse to see if any of those who they had issued citations were going to show to challenge their tickets.  Considering it's not unusual for traffic dockets to run well behind schedule in many places, it could be as much as 4-5 hrs of their 8 hr shift that they were lounging around drinking coffee and flirting with the court clerks, instead of doing their actual jobs.  Hell, think about it, it's actually in their own self-interest to write bogus tickets every once in a while just to make sure that a driver showed up to challenge it.  (Or, they were going to the courthouse for 2-4 hrs a day and pulling an 8 hr shift, meaning they were certain to pick up 10-20 hrs of overtime (time and a half) pay per week.

A couple things, first, this time at the courthouse is in addition to their regular shifts, so they're not hanging out in court rather than on the streets.

Also, most of the cops that I've known have either worked four 10 hour shifts or three 12 shifts.  I get the feeling that 8 hour police shifts are rare.


Don't you mean 6 hour shifts with 4 hours paid nap/errands time? Know quite a few cops who begrudgingly state that is the norm.

A few articles from Florida last year showing the police department officers essentially doing that.
 
2014-08-30 09:06:28 AM

lack of warmth: Police, the only witnesses in court being legally paid to represent their employer.  Anyone else would get their testimonies tossed out if the court learned they were being paid to testify by one of the parties in the hearing.

/Somehow I think there must be more scamming going on here.


Lots of federal witnesses get paid in the form of reduced sentences. It is only illegal for defense council to bribe witnesses.
 
2014-08-30 09:11:25 AM

MyRandomName: lack of warmth: Police, the only witnesses in court being legally paid to represent their employer.  Anyone else would get their testimonies tossed out if the court learned they were being paid to testify by one of the parties in the hearing.

/Somehow I think there must be more scamming going on here.

Lots of federal witnesses get paid in the form of reduced sentences. It is only illegal for defense council to bribe witnesses.


So you can see why it looks like a rigging?
 
2014-08-30 09:12:23 AM

lack of warmth: Police, the only witnesses in court being legally paid to represent their employer.  Anyone else would get their testimonies tossed out if the court learned they were being paid to testify by one of the parties in the hearing.

/Somehow I think there must be more scamming going on here.


This is wrong on so many levels, but I do agree with your slashies.  There is ALWAYS more scamming going on everywhere than the scamming you can see.
 
2014-08-30 09:18:00 AM

log_jammin: Gyrfalcon: Log_jammin is one of our resident cops, IIRC.

I'm just a dispatcher.

But I've seen plenty of cops get other cops into trouble or fired. there is no Illuminati like "brotherhood" spanning 50 states and all the cities and counties within, that instantly turn on someone who gets another cop into trouble.


I think what people don't realize when they complain that cops aren't out investigating one another 24/7 is that the good cops don't get to magically teleport (are you farking kidding me google chrome, you don't know the word teleport?!) to the scene at the moment a bad cop does something shiatty.  Furthermore, they aren't all detectives who are automatically assigned to go over the actions of every other cop.

So when a cop does something like this, how the hell would their coworker ever know that was happening unless they stumbled directly on it?
 
2014-08-30 09:54:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: log_jammin: Gyrfalcon: Log_jammin is one of our resident cops, IIRC.

I'm just a dispatcher.

But I've seen plenty of cops get other cops into trouble or fired. there is no Illuminati like "brotherhood" spanning 50 states and all the cities and counties within, that instantly turn on someone who gets another cop into trouble.

No "just" there.

I was a dispatcher for many years. We control EMS, and don't you ever forget it.


I think "just" in this context means that being a dispatcher is the extent of his police work, as in "I don't actually go to crime scenes, I just tell the cops over the radio where those crime scenes are."

I doubt he intended to disparage 911 dispatchers, and I certainly don't intend to do so; as you said, you lot also tell firefighters and paramedics where they're needed, and that is a good thing.
 
2014-08-30 09:58:54 AM

rzrwiresunrise: This is what comes of paying them overtime. Better to pay them per ticket. If they won't get paid overtime for the hearing, they'll see the profit margin shrink and they'll only write legit tickets.


Or they'll start writing more tickets.

Marginally better would be to pay them for the ratio of tickets written to tickets upheld -- and even then, it still wouldn't be good enough in jurisdictions where people accused by the state of breaking the law need to pay money to the state for the privileges of due process and facing their accuser in court (coughcoughmassachusettscough)
 
2014-08-30 10:17:58 AM

log_jammin: I knew a guy who overslept and was late to work, but he still put in for the full amount of overtime(it was about 4 hours) and he lost his certification because of it.

their careers are over. And probably with a huge amount of debt over their heads too.


Not if they worked in Philadelphia.
 
2014-08-30 10:41:58 AM

Prophet of Loss: TAOCHOW: I knew it would be Texas before reading article no surprise there.

I am surprised another cop reported them.

You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.


The cop that reported him was the one ticketed, which is why he reported it. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's not at the same PD. Otherwise, he likely wouldn't have been given the ticket in the first place.
 
2014-08-30 10:44:41 AM

log_jammin: Prophet of Loss: You can bet that other cop will pay a price, even if its just being snubbed by his fellow assho... boys in blue.

life is not a television show.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/11/florida-trooper-who-stopped-speed ing-cop-sues-after-harassment/

/Second time in 24 hours I get to use this link
 
2014-08-30 10:47:51 AM

Boo_Guy: I'm surprised the cop that was ticketed didn't flash his badge to get some "professional courtesy", thus no ticket.

Or maybe he did and got ticketed anyway so he started going over things to get it tossed and found the ghost witness.


This was my conclusion.
 
2014-08-30 10:50:18 AM

lawboy87: Ok, so the cop lists his buddy as being present (and a witness) on a traffic ticket.   How hard would it be to pull the duty rosters and determine whether they were assigned as partners in the same patrol car, at the same time, when any tickets were issued?

$158,000 in 3 yrs.  That means that basically, instead of being out on the streets doing their jobs, they were likely spending an hour or two (perhaps much more) a day hanging out at the Courthouse to see if any of those who they had issued citations were going to show to challenge their tickets.  Considering it's not unusual for traffic dockets to run well behind schedule in many places, it could be as much as 4-5 hrs of their 8 hr shift that they were lounging around drinking coffee and flirting with the court clerks, instead of doing their actual jobs.  Hell, think about it, it's actually in their own self-interest to write bogus tickets every once in a while just to make sure that a driver showed up to challenge it.  (Or, they were going to the courthouse for 2-4 hrs a day and pulling an 8 hr shift, meaning they were certain to pick up 10-20 hrs of overtime (time and a half) pay per week.


Here's a question for ya: since they lied on all those tickets, can the drivers demand their money back? Or the recent, as-yet unpaid tickets canceled?
 
2014-08-30 10:53:45 AM
Protect and serve.
 
2014-08-30 10:53:50 AM

Bslim: " Gregory Rosa, Robert Manzanales and John Garcia. "

Hmmmm....


*rolls eyes*

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