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(LA Times)   Porn shoots in L.A. dropped from 5,000 just three years ago to 40 thanks to a stupid mandatory condom law, impacting 10-12,000 jobs in the process   (latimes.com) divider line 123
    More: Stupid, Los Angeles, Michael Weinstein, Steven Hirsch, adult entertainment industry, California State Assembly, Free Speech Coalition, location filming, AIDS Healthcare Foundation  
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2014-08-29 02:05:07 PM  
Were those jobs rim or blow?
 
2014-08-29 02:16:33 PM  
Come to Arizona. We need the jobs.

They already shoot tons of gay porn in Scottsdale, anyway. Maybe they can set up a bunch of studios in the East Valley, where all the Mormons are.
 
2014-08-29 02:23:40 PM  
It's good to know that blocking the spread of aids and other STDs is stupid.
 
2014-08-29 02:24:06 PM  
It's not like this eliminated jobs.
They just move outside of LA county for filming.

Big whoop.
 
2014-08-29 02:29:10 PM  
♫ Nobody farks in LA... ♫
 
2014-08-29 02:29:59 PM  
And now that a porn actor has tested postive for HIV , how stupid do those rules look NOW?
 
2014-08-29 02:32:49 PM  

Codenamechaz: It's good to know that blocking the spread of aids and other STDs is stupid.


They test pretty rigorously, so they take it very seriously. I don't think they want to endanger anyone, but I think they've looked at it and people who enjoy pornography simply don't like seeing condoms. I get it. Pornography is about fantasy, and I don't think too many men fantasize about safe sex.
 
2014-08-29 02:33:30 PM  
10-12,000 jobs

That's a range of 11,990. Y'all couldn't narrow it down any more than that?
 
2014-08-29 02:34:38 PM  

Nabb1: I don't think too many men fantasize about safe sex.


www.fishtank.org.uk
 
2014-08-29 02:36:56 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Nabb1: I don't think too many men fantasize about safe sex.

[www.fishtank.org.uk image 140x120]


I really should have seen that coming by now. I mean, no- not that. I should have known something like that would show up.
 
2014-08-29 02:42:56 PM  

Honest Bender: It's not like this eliminated jobs.
They just move outside of LA county for filming.


Yeah, but for LA, those jobs aren't cumming back.
 
2014-08-29 02:53:19 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Come to in Arizona. We need the jobs.


...go on
 
2014-08-29 04:03:01 PM  
I thought CA was the only state where paying people to have sex is legal.
 
2014-08-29 04:05:48 PM  
"How'd you lose your job?"
"Condoms."
 
2014-08-29 04:22:00 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: I thought CA was the only state where paying people to have sex is legal.


NV? RI?

/not sure if RI is still on the list
 
2014-08-29 04:23:15 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: I thought CA was the only state where paying people to have sex is legal.


prostitution.procon.org

Really? Nevada has brothels. Just not in the Las Vegas or Reno areas.
 
2014-08-29 04:40:57 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Really? Nevada has brothels. Just not in the Las Vegas or Reno areas.


timujin: NV? RI?


Sorry, brain lapse, but I think making adult films is dependent on state/local laws.  (Not that it should be.)
 
2014-08-29 04:43:36 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Sin_City_Superhero: Really? Nevada has brothels. Just not in the Las Vegas or Reno areas.

timujin: NV? RI?

Sorry, brain lapse, but I think making adult films is dependent on state/local laws.  (Not that it should be.)


Interestingly enough, brothels are illegal in Las Vegas, but porn production is not. Lots of porn studios here. And more moving in from Cali too, it looks like.
 
2014-08-29 04:46:46 PM  

Honest Bender: It's not like this eliminated jobs.
They just move outside of LA county for filming.

Big whoop.


California is in the midst of an unkillable budget crisis. So their solution was to run yet another industry away. At this rate the only thing bringing any money to the state is meth.
 
2014-08-29 04:48:10 PM  
Fisting is still okay though, right?
 
2014-08-29 04:50:37 PM  

Shadowtag: California is in the midst of an unkillable budget crisis.


Yes, I would imagine a budget surplus is your definition of a crisis.
 
2014-08-29 04:52:39 PM  

Shadowtag: Honest Bender: It's not like this eliminated jobs.
They just move outside of LA county for filming.

Big whoop.

California is in the midst of an unkillable budget crisis. So their solution was to run yet another industry away. At this rate the only thing bringing any money to the state is meth.


1. Our budget is on the way to a surplus.
2. In what way did they drive off an industry?

If anything, they drove it out of a single county.  Again, big whoop.
 
2014-08-29 04:53:57 PM  
No chance it's the insane amount of amateur porn that's available online?
 
2014-08-29 04:56:44 PM  
Taking into account all of the free streaming sites available, there is a lot of goddamn porn out there. Like, someone with let's say "average" masturbatory habits/frequency could spend the next 50 years jerkin' it to exactly what is available at this very second with nothing "new" ever uploaded again, and I'm not sure by the end of it they would have seen a single percentage point of the total amount of porn vids available. Especially since we tend to identify our favorite vids and have repeat wankings to it.

I've honestly forgotten what my point was.
 
2014-08-29 05:01:05 PM  
so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?
 
2014-08-29 05:06:10 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ Nobody farks in LA... ♫


Bro, there's a cool story in  I Want My MTV about someone at MTV walking in to one of the executive's offices while Dale Bozzio was blowing him.
 
2014-08-29 05:15:41 PM  
10 jobs to 12,000 jobs? Seems like someone should try to come up with a real number.
 
2014-08-29 05:18:23 PM  

Codenamechaz: It's good to know that blocking the spread of aids and other STDs is stupid.


The goal isn't itself stupid, but the means they are employing is. Porn is intended to arouse, and condoms simply aren't arousing to the majority of "consumers," so porn with condoms has little if any commercial value. Because the requirement for condoms is very localized, it makes financial sense to simply move production somewhere where that regulation doesn't apply. Porn is till being made without condoms -- they are just making it elsewhere now, so no difference is being made in STD transmission. In fact, because L.A. has health checkups and such, the move to other locations INCREASES the risks because the new locations don't have the testing, etc. in place.
 
2014-08-29 05:20:40 PM  

Killer Cars: Taking into account all of the free streaming sites available, there is a lot of goddamn porn out there. Like, someone with let's say "average" masturbatory habits/frequency could spend the next 50 years jerkin' it to exactly what is available at this very second with nothing "new" ever uploaded again, and I'm not sure by the end of it they would have seen a single percentage point of the total amount of porn vids available. Especially since we tend to identify our favorite vids and have repeat wankings to it.

I've honestly forgotten what my point was.


But there's always one or two amazing ones, with some girl nobody's ever heard of, that you forget to bookmark and can never find again. Then you stumble on it five years later and forget, again, to bookmark it.

/First World Problems
 
2014-08-29 05:27:31 PM  

Shadowtag: Honest Bender: It's not like this eliminated jobs.
They just move outside of LA county for filming.

Big whoop.

California is in the midst of an unkillable budget crisis. So their solution was to run yet another industry away. At this rate the only thing bringing any money to the state is meth.


You sound like you're not from California.
 
2014-08-29 05:28:01 PM  

qorkfiend: No chance it's the insane amount of amateur porn that's available online?


American Amateur, professional European, Russian, Japanese...

And that's just new stuff entering the market.  There's also whatever's available from porn that's been made since it became a fully-fledged industry.  So that's roughly what, 35 years?

And that's just video.  The amount of images is unfathomable.  Amateur, especially, but also stills from movies, and all magazines and photos going back decades.

Let's not even get into drawings, paintings, and comics.  And stories, of course.

Killer Cars: Taking into account all of the free streaming sites available, there is a lot of goddamn porn out there. Like, someone with let's say "average" masturbatory habits/frequency could spend the next 50 years jerkin' it to exactly what is available at this very second with nothing "new" ever uploaded again, and I'm not sure by the end of it they would have seen a single percentage point of the total amount of porn vids available. Especially since we tend to identify our favorite vids and have repeat wankings to it.


Practically speaking, provided someone has internet access and relatively typical interests, there is enough porn and erotica in existence so that no more needs to be created.  If someone is exclusively into really niche stuff, then there's still a need for new material.

And incidentally, I could probably say the same thing about television shows, movies, music, and books.  Video games, ehh... that's up for debate.  If you include flash games/browser games, arcade games, and mobile games, then yeah, probably.

But, of course, all of those things will continue to be created.  Some, like porn and video games, will continue to have increased production as more non-professionals join in.  Probably music, too, as technology is making it easier to learn how to play and create music.

Porn is probably the easiest though.  All you need is a good enough camera on your phone, and you and whoever else you want to participate.
 
2014-08-29 05:29:53 PM  

loonatic112358: so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?


you know what? that a good question,

It might fall under the blood borne pathogen stuff, but I tthink that pertains to the Jizz mopper and not the actual actor.

if anything, workman's comp is certainly warranted
 
2014-08-29 05:38:31 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: loonatic112358: so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?

you know what? that a good question,

It might fall under the blood borne pathogen stuff, but I tthink that pertains to the Jizz mopper and not the actual actor.

if anything, workman's comp is certainly warranted


Sounds like a good plot for a porno.
 
2014-08-29 05:42:07 PM  

Shazam999: Cerebral Knievel: loonatic112358: so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?

you know what? that a good question,

It might fall under the blood borne pathogen stuff, but I tthink that pertains to the Jizz mopper and not the actual actor.

if anything, workman's comp is certainly warranted

Sounds like a good plot for a porno.


Can I uh, be the mop?
 
2014-08-29 05:43:22 PM  
does it impact lesbo tentacle porn?
 
2014-08-29 05:48:28 PM  

loonatic112358: so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?


I wonder if they would get workers comp?
 
2014-08-29 05:50:14 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: does it impact lesbo tentacle porn?


The tentacles must have condoms.
 
2014-08-29 05:54:25 PM  

RodneyToady: And incidentally, I could probably say the same thing about television shows, movies, music, and books.


You could, but I think we both agree there's more...depth (for lack of a better world) to new additions to the world of TV, film, books, etc compared to porn.
 
2014-08-29 06:06:51 PM  
That includes porno filmmakers AND workers in condom factories, I would assume.
 
2014-08-29 06:10:36 PM  

Lokasenna: Killer Cars: Taking into account all of the free streaming sites available, there is a lot of goddamn porn out there. Like, someone with let's say "average" masturbatory habits/frequency could spend the next 50 years jerkin' it to exactly what is available at this very second with nothing "new" ever uploaded again, and I'm not sure by the end of it they would have seen a single percentage point of the total amount of porn vids available. Especially since we tend to identify our favorite vids and have repeat wankings to it.

I've honestly forgotten what my point was.

But there's always one or two amazing ones, with some girl nobody's ever heard of, that you forget to bookmark and can never find again. Then you stumble on it five years later and forget, again, to bookmark it.

/First World Problems


I can't get off to porn vids anymore ever since I started going to myfreecams. I'm dependant on live cam girls and live cam girls only to get me off.
 
2014-08-29 06:14:30 PM  

Shazam999: Cerebral Knievel: loonatic112358: so if a pornstar gets an STD, is that a workplace hazard that should result in an OSHA investigation?

you know what? that a good question,

It might fall under the blood borne pathogen stuff, but I tthink that pertains to the Jizz mopper and not the actual actor.

if anything, workman's comp is certainly warranted

Sounds like a good plot for a porno.


If there must be a plot please dont make it around an STD
 
2014-08-29 06:15:56 PM  

Earthworm Jim Jones: Lokasenna: Killer Cars: Taking into account all of the free streaming sites available, there is a lot of goddamn porn out there. Like, someone with let's say "average" masturbatory habits/frequency could spend the next 50 years jerkin' it to exactly what is available at this very second with nothing "new" ever uploaded again, and I'm not sure by the end of it they would have seen a single percentage point of the total amount of porn vids available. Especially since we tend to identify our favorite vids and have repeat wankings to it.

I've honestly forgotten what my point was.

But there's always one or two amazing ones, with some girl nobody's ever heard of, that you forget to bookmark and can never find again. Then you stumble on it five years later and forget, again, to bookmark it.

/First World Problems

I can't get off to porn vids anymore ever since I started going to myfreecams. I'm dependant on live cam girls and live cam girls only to get me off.


That place is dangerous, man, dangerous.
 
2014-08-29 06:17:29 PM  
I actually looked it up, the condom rules are in place because of OSHA rules and regulations..
in essence, because there was a rash of HIV infections poping up in the adult film industry, OSHA stepped in. and had it declared that condoms must be used so that HIV is not spread
 
2014-08-29 06:23:55 PM  
"...impacting 10-12,000 jobs in the process"
As in coitus interruptus?   Sorry, I thought that was the main idea of those movies, where the money is, so to speak.
 
2014-08-29 06:32:12 PM  

Killer Cars: You could, but I think we both agree there's more...depth (for lack of a better world) to new additions to the world of TV, film, books, etc compared to porn.


Probably, but debatable.  All forms of those media explore well-trod territory in terms of subject matter and delivery.  There are benefits to the newer additions to each of those media, in terms of technological advancement (perhaps not for books as much), delivery of content, and democratization of content creation.

Those three things actually support the idea that porn has the most benefit in terms of depth.  With the ease of amateur porn creation and distribution, and the availability of porn from around the world and across all niches and sexual orientations, we have a greater pool from which to appreciate different kinds of sex and what can turn us on.  That includes porn of "normal-looking" people, people of color, etc.  It also includes (due in large part to amateur and self-shot porn) a greater focus on female sexual pleasure.  So, rather than seeing "a woman having an orgasm" in professional porn, in which every singe thing the guy does drives her to erotic ecstasy, you can see what kinds of things actually led a particular woman to a legitimate orgasm, and what that experience may look and sound like.  There's also much more porn involving women older than their late teens to late 20s, which in a way destroys the idea that women cease to have sexual needs and/or be sexually desirable once she hits her 30s/40s/50s.

So, I guess an argument can be made that the new additions to porn may serve to weaken or even eliminate the singular model of a thin, young, pubic-hairless, blonde woman with large (likely fake) breasts who is hypersexual but mainly serves to get the man off as our female sexual gold standard.  That's a pretty substantial (and I'd argue very positive) change. and a bigger one than we've seen in books, tv, or movies.
 
2014-08-29 06:34:38 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: TheHighlandHowler: I thought CA was the only state where paying people to have sex is legal.

[prostitution.procon.org image 230x345]

Really? Nevada has brothels. Just not in the Las Vegas or Reno areas.


It's county by county; neither Clark nor Washoe counties allow it, and there may be others.
 
2014-08-29 06:35:09 PM  

Codenamechaz: It's good to know that blocking the spread of aids and other STDs is stupid.


They didn't block it, they relocated it. Idiots are always thinking all that's needed to fix the world is another law. They assume everyone will just go along with it instead of going underground or moving elsewhere.
 
2014-08-29 06:37:36 PM  
I like how they mention that production is moving to other countries and blame it on the condom rule, not the fact that in those other countries the porn women will do stuff that the American porn women won't for a fraction of the money. Off shoring has hit the porn business also.
 
2014-08-29 06:38:16 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: if anything, workman's comp is certainly warranted


I do believe they are technically self employed contractors, so not eligible.

Cerebral Knievel: in essence, because there was a rash of HIV infections poping up in the adult film industry, OSHA stepped in


None of that is true. There was one guy. And there was no OSHA stepping in, it was a ballot measure to require the use to try and force the industry out of the county.
 
2014-08-29 06:42:10 PM  

ongbok: not the fact that in those other countries the porn women will do stuff that the American porn women won't for a fraction of the money


Counterpoint is kink.com. lots of American accents on girls getting a speculum to the anus.
 
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