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(Kickstarter)   Geek mistakenly thinks people will fund his Kickstarter for a realistic jet fighter cockpit gaming chair kit that's perfect for your parents' living room, and not their basement   (kickstarter.com) divider line 47
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2014-08-29 07:13:54 PM  
You say "mistakenly thinks", but I've seen some ridiculous shiat get funded over the years. This guy's one step ahead if we're even talking about it.
 
2014-08-29 07:55:52 PM  
A LogTM is much more fun.
 
2014-08-29 07:55:52 PM  
So Fark is promoting kickstarter projects now? Or is it just one of the mods?
 
2014-08-29 07:57:44 PM  
It's cardboard, and it's freaking huge.
Generally, people that want a simpit build it themselves. It's part of the fun.
 
2014-08-29 07:59:17 PM  
I've been thinking about setting up a proper flight sim cockpit. My old home office doesn't get used for much anymore, and I need a hobby I'm still physically capable of...

But this one didn't appeal to me at all. I doubt I'd use it if he gave me a free one.
 
2014-08-29 08:01:34 PM  
Just as an FYI in case anyone has wanted something that shakes your chair while you game (or watch movies or whatever)...check out the Buttkicker. Few hundred bucks gets you something very impressive and will likely pair very well with the occulus rift.
 
2014-08-29 08:06:07 PM  
He seriously thinks people are going to invest $500 into a HOTAS Warthog stick, $200 into a good set of rudder pedals, $100 into a LCD monitor for the instrument panel, and a few grand into a home projector setup....only to cheap out on a cardboard cockpit?

For that matter, why bother building a cockpit if you're going to use an Oculus Rift? You can't see anything outside of it. Just make some bolt-on mounts for your joystick and throttle to attach to your gaming chair.
 
2014-08-29 08:09:15 PM  
Hardcore sim players are a wacky bunch though.  They may like something like this.

I know some racing sim fans that spare no cost building their set up.  Triple screens, top of the line Fanatec wheel, etc.
 
2014-08-29 08:10:44 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: He seriously thinks people are going to invest $500 into a HOTAS Warthog stick, $200 into a good set of rudder pedals, $100 into a LCD monitor for the instrument panel, and a few grand into a home projector setup....only to cheap out on a cardboard cockpit?


Or maybe not...
 
2014-08-29 08:14:18 PM  
I used to play the shiat out of the arcade Steel Talons.  Always wanted buy me a used one.
 
2014-08-29 08:41:47 PM  

Farker Soze: I used to play the shiat out of the arcade Steel Talons.  Always wanted buy me a used one.


*internet fistbump*

I used to think I wanted to build a hardcore simulator cockpit with working switches, gauges, and so on, but nowadays I'm thinking it'd make much more sense to center the setup around using an Oculus Rift and head-tracking. Take a nice sturdy office chair and mod it to resemble an ejection seat, install hard mounts for foot pedals, joystick and throttle, fit some thumper speakers into the chair back, and basically build the base of the structure into a custom PC case to hold the computer parts. Could even fabricate a custom helmet that incorporated a set of high-end headphones, boom microphone, and a mount for the Oculus.

The only problem I'm seeing is how to make a keyboard/mouse setup practical while using the Oculus as a screen.
 
2014-08-29 08:44:57 PM  
Subby underestimates the size of our basements.

/Just the thing I need to complete my star citizen rig.
/altho I could just make one out of plywood for not much money...
 
2014-08-29 09:00:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: Hardcore sim players are a wacky bunch though.  They may like something like this.

I know some racing sim fans that spare no cost building their set up.  Triple screens, top of the line Fanatec wheel, etc.


No, they will not. Hardcore SIM players go all out. Cut out panels will not suffice.
 
2014-08-29 09:31:47 PM  
Who the fark is gonna drop $500 on a cardboard cockpit? Sim nuts won't go for the cardboard, the non-nuts won't go for the pricetag.
 
2014-08-29 09:34:04 PM  
Psssh. For that much, i could find a working R360 cabinet still running Wing War. And if you're using an Oculus, who cars what the cockpit is? You'll never SEE it.
 
2014-08-29 09:36:01 PM  
"Visit us here in the Czech Republic and get..."

I'm thinking of a number between "one" and "no".
 
2014-08-29 09:49:30 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Farker Soze: I used to play the shiat out of the arcade Steel Talons.  Always wanted buy me a used one.

*internet fistbump*

I used to think I wanted to build a hardcore simulator cockpit with working switches, gauges, and so on, but nowadays I'm thinking it'd make much more sense to center the setup around using an Oculus Rift and head-tracking. Take a nice sturdy office chair and mod it to resemble an ejection seat, install hard mounts for foot pedals, joystick and throttle, fit some thumper speakers into the chair back, and basically build the base of the structure into a custom PC case to hold the computer parts. Could even fabricate a custom helmet that incorporated a set of high-end headphones, boom microphone, and a mount for the Oculus.

The only problem I'm seeing is how to make a keyboard/mouse setup practical while using the Oculus as a screen.


Needs a motion tracking force feedback p-p-p-powerglove to virtually activate the switches and tabs.
 
2014-08-29 09:51:02 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: He seriously thinks people are going to invest $500 into a HOTAS Warthog stick, $200 into a good set of rudder pedals, $100 into a LCD monitor for the instrument panel, and a few grand into a home projector setup....only to cheap out on a cardboard cockpit?

For that matter, why bother building a cockpit if you're going to use an Oculus Rift? You can't see anything outside of it. Just make some bolt-on mounts for your joystick and throttle to attach to your gaming chair.


Well, now, hold on a sec... On its uselessness with the Rift I agree with you completely, but with a monitor or projector I could see it.

I'm half tempted to back this to get the plans which I can have a friend of mine print up at his sign company. I already spent some coin on two desks for my Star Citizen setup though, so I'm not really going to cram this in my family room next to my already imposing setup.

If I hadn't gotten that already I could see using this to position my $160 HOTAS setup with $150 pedals and my 27" monitors. The spot for the LCD instrument panel I'd probably just sit my tablet in while I play. It looks relatively sturdy... I could honestly see there being a niche market for this if they sell it fairly cheap, particularly if they are smart about revising the design or doing a lot of customization or something.
 
2014-08-29 10:10:56 PM  
If I was going to spend money on something that so clearly announced to any visitors that I had zero life, I'd buy a RealDoll.
 
2014-08-29 10:14:28 PM  

mongbiohazard: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: He seriously thinks people are going to invest $500 into a HOTAS Warthog stick, $200 into a good set of rudder pedals, $100 into a LCD monitor for the instrument panel, and a few grand into a home projector setup....only to cheap out on a cardboard cockpit?

For that matter, why bother building a cockpit if you're going to use an Oculus Rift? You can't see anything outside of it. Just make some bolt-on mounts for your joystick and throttle to attach to your gaming chair.

Well, now, hold on a sec... On its uselessness with the Rift I agree with you completely, but with a monitor or projector I could see it.

I'm half tempted to back this to get the plans which I can have a friend of mine print up at his sign company. I already spent some coin on two desks for my Star Citizen setup though, so I'm not really going to cram this in my family room next to my already imposing setup.

If I hadn't gotten that already I could see using this to position my $160 HOTAS setup with $150 pedals and my 27" monitors. The spot for the LCD instrument panel I'd probably just sit my tablet in while I play. It looks relatively sturdy... I could honestly see there being a niche market for this if they sell it fairly cheap, particularly if they are smart about revising the design or doing a lot of customization or something.


I just can't imagine that this thing's durability would be comparable to even a PVC pipe frame, much less a wood, fiberglass, or metal cabinet. Cheaper, perhaps, but if you're already going the hardcore sim route, you've got at least a grand or two sunk into the rig already, counting the PC, displays, and peripherals, so why cut corners on the thing that's holding it all together? Besides, God help you if any moisture gets to it, with it being a warm, enclosed space and all. I would hate to have to strip apart my simpit because the cardboard developed mold.

And anyway, if you've got some power tools and a modicum of hands-on craftsmanship experience, putting together a load-bearing frame from PVC pipes and bolting some 1/16" diamond-plate onto it as a cosmetic outer shell would be cheap (under $200 or so for the materials) and relatively easy to do. Throw on some black paint and you've got a durable, manly-looking cockpit with an industrial aesthetic to it. Fit it with some felt pads or castors and carrying handles so you can move it around to avoid the wife's wrath.

Farker Soze: Needs a motion tracking force feedback p-p-p-powerglove to virtually activate the switches and tabs.


I don't know how well it works, but there's a gadget called LEAP that senses your hand motions and allows you to use gestures to do stuff in-game. And of course people have hacked the Xbox Kinect to do the same thing. No haptic feedback, sadly, but there's no dorky wired gloves, either.

Frankly, I'd settle for head tracking to look around the cockpit and use a joystick button to emulate mouse clicks. Would require lots of small neck movements but it's probably more reliable than trying to use motion sensing with your fingers.
 
2014-08-29 10:44:24 PM  

leviosaurus: So Fark is promoting kickstarter projects now? Or is it just one of the mods?


Shutup this is my life dream!!!!!11!!  I'm going to submit 1$ right now!!!!11!
 
2014-08-29 10:45:59 PM  

Langston: You say "mistakenly thinks", but I've seen some ridiculous shiat get funded over the years. This guy's one step ahead if we're even talking about it.


Came to say this.

If some guy can get 20k to make a potato salad, any idiot can get funded.
 
2014-08-29 11:11:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: He seriously thinks people are going to invest $500 into a HOTAS Warthog stick, $200 into a good set of rudder pedals, $100 into a LCD monitor for the instrument panel, and a few grand into a home projector setup....only to cheap out on a cardboard cockpit?

For that matter, why bother building a cockpit if you're going to use an Oculus Rift? You can't see anything outside of it. Just make some bolt-on mounts for your joystick and throttle to attach to your gaming chair.

Well, now, hold on a sec... On its uselessness with the Rift I agree with you completely, but with a monitor or projector I could see it.

I'm half tempted to back this to get the plans which I can have a friend of mine print up at his sign company. I already spent some coin on two desks for my Star Citizen setup though, so I'm not really going to cram this in my family room next to my already imposing setup.

If I hadn't gotten that already I could see using this to position my $160 HOTAS setup with $150 pedals and my 27" monitors. The spot for the LCD instrument panel I'd probably just sit my tablet in while I play. It looks relatively sturdy... I could honestly see there being a niche market for this if they sell it fairly cheap, particularly if they are smart about revising the design or doing a lot of customization or something.


The work this guy would need to put into it would probably kill the profit. Although just looking at the guy I think he's done a lot of basement dwelling so maybe fine for him, but as a real business it's not going to make millions of even hundreds of thousands (aka you're not going to be able to live off the profits for the rest of your life unless you live with mom).
 
2014-08-29 11:16:25 PM  
This subby is a transparently opbious supporter of the kickstarter, trying to generate some hits and buzz by posting the link to FARK, but I forgive it because I think the idea is cool.

The real crazy simmers  would build their own, but there's a middle- and low-end market where this would work out well, plus, it's easy to customize. I could imagine buying one for a hundred bucks, shipping included. Not more than that, though.  I'm a very casual simmer.

Cardboard for the low-budget set and kids.  Coroplast, with vinyl appliqués, for something much more durable, but almost as light weight.


His underlying interlocking structure would make the thing pretty strong, even in cardboard. More so if glued together.  He's onto something; making a generic F1 chassis front end you can customize with your own colors and decals, etc. from PDF files, would be easier than the airplane cockpit actually. I think you'd pay extra to get hot-wired styrofoam front tires as an add-on. A giant-scale servo, or rods connected to the steering wheel, would make the front wheels turn with the steering.

And he should make a generic mech cockpit right away, add it to the kickstarter. That would be a good seller, as a base for sim players or a toy for younger kids to use as furniture/imaginary play ware. Like the "polaris missile submarine" of old.
 
2014-08-29 11:34:21 PM  
I think a biz strategy would be to partner up with say, Saitek, Thrustmaster, or one of the other HOTAS makers, and have them subsidize these, so that the purchase price of one of these, bundled with the sticks and pedals, is ridiculously low.

  I could also see these as a promotional give-away from Red Bull, with their logo big on the outside. Ditto for a beer company or soft drink maker.
 
2014-08-30 12:11:04 AM  
Sorry, but

a) if I had such disposable income,
b) they'd release new versions of xwing/tiefighter/xvt/xwa
c) they had something like this with full stick, throttle, and "rudder" control
d) plus some form of surround-sound/sight

I'd buy the living shiat out of it. I'd have a whole room dedicated to just that. Something like an easy chair with stik on one side, throttle on the other, pedals, and a VR headset with sound....

/nerd
/yes I am
 
2014-08-30 12:11:43 AM  

Any Pie Left: I think a biz strategy would be to partner up with say, Saitek, Thrustmaster, or one of the other HOTAS makers, and have them subsidize these, so that the purchase price of one of these, bundled with the sticks and pedals, is ridiculously low.

  I could also see these as a promotional give-away from Red Bull, with their logo big on the outside. Ditto for a beer company or soft drink maker.


Gods I miss the old Thrustmaster Flightstick. Best damned 'stick there ever was.
 
2014-08-30 12:30:38 AM  
FTFA:  We have plans to create an additional canopy with a curved projection screen for players with projectors or as nice design piece for for VR players, as well as making real jet fighter cockpits with ejection seats.

Remember all the pictures of Wii-motes thrown through TVs? You ain't seen nothin' yet.
 
2014-08-30 01:00:04 AM  
www.hyveofvillainy.com
 
2014-08-30 03:47:23 AM  

pedobearapproved: but as a real business it's not going to make millions of even hundreds of thousands


He's got a market of literally hundreds of customers. The Sim pit community is not exactly large, and most of them are hardcore DIY, or filthy rich enough to pay for something one off.

It's a nice design actually, i like the graphics, but it needs to be made out of plywood, and that drives costs through the roof basement ceiling, making it a non starter so far as making money goes.
 
2014-08-30 05:19:27 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Gods I miss the old Thrustmaster Flightstick. Best damned 'stick there ever was.


Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 joystick for me. Flying with force feedback was the only time when flight sim on PCs has ever felt real. It isn't such a big deal flying virtual airliners, but I like the light aircraft I could really fly once, and flying those was a very tactile experience.

If I ever do set up a proper cockpit, the yoke's looking to be by-far the most expensive part. Iris Dynamics has a nice force feedback yoke they KickStarter'd last year, but now that they're shipping, the new order price is $1499!

Maybe I can find a couple of broken Sidewinders on Ebay and build a working one. I've heard of people doing that.
 
2014-08-30 06:21:14 AM  

jaspyrnyte: [www.hyveofvillainy.com image 800x600]


Aww man, it was so awesome to be 5 in the 1979. I loved that rocketship.
 
2014-08-30 08:30:22 AM  
Cardboard?

Nope nope nope.

The extra cost to make it from plywood is so small compared to the increase in durability that it shows the guy is a fool with no manufacturing experience and thus invalidates his product.
 
2014-08-30 09:37:52 AM  
They're based in the Czech Republic. Why are they requesting funds in sterling?
 
2014-08-30 10:04:45 AM  

BumpInTheNight: leviosaurus: So Fark is promoting kickstarter projects now? Or is it just one of the mods?

Shutup this is my life dream!!!!!11!!  I'm going to submit 1$ right now!!!!11!


Some fat mod (who must be a male because according to Fark 3.0, only men are fat and stupid), wants one.
 
2014-08-30 10:07:18 AM  
The cockpit doesn't even move.
 
2014-08-30 11:29:35 AM  

dready zim: Cardboard?

Nope nope nope.

The extra cost to make it from plywood is so small compared to the increase in durability that it shows the guy is a fool with no manufacturing experience and thus invalidates his product.


That.  And I've thought about building some sort of cockpit for KSP.  If I were to do that, I'd incorporate my reclining, heating, vibrating chair, call in a steel order, and start welding and bolting away.

I once took an old Craftsman riding lawn mower, stripped it down to were the only things left were the basic chassis, tires, and seat.  I added a roll cage out of 1 1/2" steel, some 5/8" solid bar to mount steering wheel (Logitech Driving Force GT), some more of the 5/8" to wrap around the pedals so they'd be locked in place, and I then had a racing cockpit made out of an old riding mower.  Sadly, I moved and couldn't take it with me due to lack of space.

And I'm poor.  If I'm willing to break out the welder and order steel to build a cockpit, does this guy seriously think that people with large amounts of money are going to buy a cardboard cockpit?  I know I won't because I can get free cardboard boxes and give them a few coats of paint, bust out an exacto knife and a hot glue gun, and have what he's selling for the cost of the paint and glue sticks (and maybe not even that if I time it right and use the leftovers from a job I'm doing....I only have dark green paint now so I'd have to actually buy paint...and use caulk over hot glue)
 
2014-08-30 01:02:35 PM  

lostcat: If I was going to spend money on something that so clearly announced to any visitors that I had zero life, I'd buy a RealDoll.


We're done here. Turn out the lights.
 
2014-08-30 03:03:09 PM  
How cute

www.mentalfloss.com\

What is old is new again.
 
2014-08-30 03:20:22 PM  

moike: How cute

[www.mentalfloss.com image 565x378]\

What is old is new again.


Only that was made for children.  This new seat is made for men who still have the mentality of a child.
 
2014-08-30 03:36:01 PM  

Nemo's Brother: moike: How cute

[www.mentalfloss.com image 565x378]\

What is old is new again.

Only that was made for children.  This new seat is made for men who still have the mentality of a child.


It is cute how the kickstarter includes a photo of the device that makes the whole farking thing obsolete...

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-08-30 03:48:59 PM  

moike: It is cute how the kickstarter includes a photo of the device that makes the whole farking thing obsolete...


That was the first thing I thought when I read it. Once you put on your VR headset, you're not going to see your surroundings.
 
2014-08-30 05:27:11 PM  

Dragonflew: moike: It is cute how the kickstarter includes a photo of the device that makes the whole farking thing obsolete...

That was the first thing I thought when I read it. Once you put on your VR headset, you're not going to see your surroundings.


I was more impressed by CastAR since you have the option of mixed screen/reality or to occlude reality. Then the cockpit wouldn't need to have displays, just that reflective material everywhere on the panels and then if you wanted the hap-matics only the touchable controls wired up.
 
2014-08-30 06:09:39 PM  

Dragonflew: moike: It is cute how the kickstarter includes a photo of the device that makes the whole farking thing obsolete...

That was the first thing I thought when I read it. Once you put on your VR headset, you're not going to see your surroundings.


You will still feel them, tho.
If the layout of the sticks and buttons and whatnot match up with the virtual layout, it should feel amazingly immersive.
 
2014-08-30 06:25:38 PM  

way south: Dragonflew: moike: It is cute how the kickstarter includes a photo of the device that makes the whole farking thing obsolete...

That was the first thing I thought when I read it. Once you put on your VR headset, you're not going to see your surroundings.

You will still feel them, tho.
If the layout of the sticks and buttons and whatnot match up with the virtual layout, it should feel amazingly immersive.


The Rift looks damned cool, but I am not that confident in its accuracy to be able to track you so your view matches perfectly with everything in that detailed cockpit. Sure, it would be awesome if it worked perfectly, but I highly doubt it will. Maybe in a few years.
 
2014-08-30 06:58:09 PM  
They are doing better than me. I never advanced past building this sort of thing with couch cushions.
 
2014-08-30 08:46:14 PM  

Dragonflew:  The Rift looks damned cool, but I am not that confident in its accuracy to be able to track you so your view matches perfectly with everything in that detailed cockpit. Sure, it would be awesome if it worked perfectly, but I highly doubt it will. Maybe in a few years.

I have played quite a bit of Elite Dangerous using the new DK2.  It tracks you inside the cockpit with 100% accuracy.  Fully... Immersive... Accuracy.  Six degrees of freedom.  The models for the stick and throttle in the game look like the Saitek X52 for a reason.

way south: You will still feel them, tho.  If the layout of the sticks and buttons and whatnot match up with the virtual layout, it should feel amazingly immersive.


Playing Elite Dangerous in the DK2 I was using a Saitek X52 Pro stick and throttle that were placed IRL so their location matched -exactly- with their placement in the VR cockpit.

I moved the stick with my hand IRL, my hand on the stick in VR moved exactly the same way, with no lag.

Same with the throttle, I move the throttle forward IRL, my hand in VR moves the throttle.  To the point that it's no longer VR, it looks and feels real.  Those are my hands.

Couple that with Voice Attack configured for ED... wow.  Just floating in the shadow of a huge asteroid space station, being able to goose the attitude jets, point out to the dark... and simply say, "Hyperspace..."

Mind blowing.

There are several companies right now that have working examples of additional positional tracking for hands, fingers, body... etc.  I've played with several, and around this time next year I expect to see fully polished products.

VR is finally here, it works, and if you've not had a chance to try it yet... It's amazing.
 
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