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(Pacific Standard Magazine)   Science strikes again: moderate to heavy non-pathological alcohol consumption is healthier than abstinence. "If you cannot drink (or believe that you cannot), you probably increase your likelihood of early death. If so, I am truly sorry for you"   (psmag.com) divider line 75
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2014-08-29 01:45:21 PM
And here I am out of gin...
 
2014-08-29 02:07:32 PM

ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...


Sounds unhealthy.
 
2014-08-29 02:08:54 PM
If you can moderate, go for it.

Some people can't.
 
2014-08-29 02:18:04 PM

MrBallou: ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...

Sounds unhealthy.


I'm probably going to infarct.
 
2014-08-29 02:51:22 PM
I am going to live FOREVER!!!
 
2014-08-29 02:51:40 PM
Awesome. Between the booze and the herb, I'm the healthiest Fark I know.
 
2014-08-29 02:54:27 PM

ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...


I just ran out and was planning on buying more, but we're so close to Scotch season and I always have a winter's supply on hand.  Guess I'll just start early.
 
2014-08-29 03:03:52 PM
Is this true?
 
2014-08-29 03:04:30 PM
I'll freely admit that I'm a double heavy drinker. So, double my chances, eh?  I'll also admit that if this kills me sooner, or later, I'm okay with it.  I'll also say that it is better to drink to science, than religion, so, keep it coming with the science.  Cheers.
 
2014-08-29 03:07:46 PM

TheSwizz: ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...

I just ran out and was planning on buying more, but we're so close to Scotch season and I always have a winter's supply on hand.  Guess I'll just start early.


Scotch season? Is this a thing? When is Scotch never a good idea?
 
2014-08-29 03:11:57 PM
6-12 beers a day is non-pathological, right?
 
2014-08-29 03:12:42 PM
horse shiat.  don't buy it.
 
2014-08-29 03:13:55 PM
Sounds like the author is trying way too hard to justify his alcoholism.
 
2014-08-29 03:14:15 PM

ginandbacon: TheSwizz: ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...

I just ran out and was planning on buying more, but we're so close to Scotch season and I always have a winter's supply on hand.  Guess I'll just start early.

Scotch season? Is this a thing? When is Scotch never a good idea?


When it's 100 degrees out and there's plenty of gin, ice and limes about.  And I wouldn't say 'not a good idea', just better options.
 
2014-08-29 03:16:06 PM
If you're gonna drink, then drink. But good lord this article read like an alcoholic trying to convince himself.
 
2014-08-29 03:16:16 PM
I admit I kind of wish Lady Bligh rum was slightly less alcoholic. I *really* like the way it tastes.

Unfortunately I am also 6'1", 140 lbs, and have the metabolism of a farking hummingbird...
 
2014-08-29 03:18:06 PM
I'm lucky, one puff on a PH and i'm good.  Two good beers and I'm not looking for that perfect buzz.

So, I'm hoping I'll beat the high watermark for men in my direct line of 63.
 
2014-08-29 03:20:38 PM

TheSwizz: ginandbacon: TheSwizz: ginandbacon: And here I am out of gin...

I just ran out and was planning on buying more, but we're so close to Scotch season and I always have a winter's supply on hand.  Guess I'll just start early.

Scotch season? Is this a thing? When is Scotch never a good idea?

When it's 100 degrees out and there's plenty of gin, ice and limes about.  And I wouldn't say 'not a good idea', just better options.


Ahhhh..we cool then :)
 
2014-08-29 03:22:15 PM
this is the most poorly written piece of nonsense I have ever read.

not drinking causes heart disease?

no.  moderate drinking in and of itself may have some health benefits, but not drinking alcohol causes NOTHING.

fact is that alcohol is farking DANGEROUS.  and causes many more problems than anything it helps.

if alcohol had been discovered last month, it would NEVER have been made a legal substance.
 
2014-08-29 03:26:21 PM

asquian: If you're gonna drink, then drink. But good lord this article read like an alcoholic trying to convince himself.


I have no justifications personally. I'm a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings. I'm OK with this. I value my sanity more than my liver.

As far as the article, and whatever the author's reasons for writing it, numbers are numbers, right? Is he being disingenuous with his math? I didn't see any of that but I'm on my third beer and just looked at the pretty graphs. The J vs. U graph thing was cool, nice to see my preconceived notion that Teetotalers were full of shiat had some basis in fact.
 
2014-08-29 03:29:49 PM
Die young and leave a beautiful corpse.
 
2014-08-29 03:30:17 PM
I knew chugging a beer after my runs was the right thing to do.
 
2014-08-29 03:34:03 PM
Well, considering that at least two of my asthma and allergy medicines are not supposed to be taken when imbibing alcohol, I'll just keep the booze to an occasional thing.  Possible organ damage isn't worth the risk.

Would be nice to have a glass of wine with dinner, but those are the breaks.
 
2014-08-29 03:34:16 PM
I don't mind dying earlier. Alcohol mostly tastes awful (even bourbon, which I like), and given that I'm as liable to barf horrendously (after mostly falling asleep) as I am to be god's gift to womenkind (or both) after having 3 drinks, I'm comfortable with that.

Y'all enjoy the booze. I'll be over here rolling fatties instead.

// smokin' blunts
// who smokes the blunts?
// we smoke the blunts
 
2014-08-29 03:34:40 PM
I have a beer with dinner 3-4 nights a week; I could be talked into upping that for my health.
 
2014-08-29 03:37:57 PM
Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of three categories:

1) People with major health issues (like say kidney disease and incipient diabetes).   For some reason, we die before healthy people do.  The reason we don't drink is that we already have bad health, drinking would not in any way increase our health.

2) Addicts who have given it up.  They tend to fall off the wagon, get drunk, and die.

3) A small, tiny percentage of people that are fanatics - religious or otherwise.  They tend to live longer, but there are not a lot of these.  They are far outweighed by the unhealthy and addicts.
 
2014-08-29 03:38:13 PM

frepnog: this is the most poorly written piece of nonsense I have ever read.

not drinking causes heart disease?

no.  moderate drinking in and of itself may have some health benefits, but not drinking alcohol causes NOTHING.

fact is that alcohol is farking DANGEROUS.  and causes many more problems than anything it helps.

if alcohol had been discovered last month, it would NEVER have been made a legal substance.



Amusing, given the following paragraph in the article:

Frequent, heavy binge drinking is unhealthy. But then you knew that already, didn't you? If you don't distinguish binge drinking from daily moderate drinking, that would be due to Americans' addiction-phobia, which causes them to interpret any daily drinking as addictive.
 
2014-08-29 03:47:30 PM
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2014-08-29 03:51:40 PM

aelat: frepnog: this is the most poorly written piece of nonsense I have ever read.

not drinking causes heart disease?

no.  moderate drinking in and of itself may have some health benefits, but not drinking alcohol causes NOTHING.

fact is that alcohol is farking DANGEROUS.  and causes many more problems than anything it helps.

if alcohol had been discovered last month, it would NEVER have been made a legal substance.


Amusing, given the following paragraph in the article:

Frequent, heavy binge drinking is unhealthy. But then you knew that already, didn't you? If you don't distinguish binge drinking from daily moderate drinking, that would be due to Americans' addiction-phobia, which causes them to interpret any daily drinking as addictive.


you don't have to frequently binge drink to kill yourself with alcohol, pal.  You don't even have to binge drink all the time to kill yourself slowly with the shiat.

and American's SERIOUSLY have NO addiction phobia.  We love to self-medicate.

But alcohol is some serious bullshiat.  Yeah, a slight buzz feels pretty ok, but it is a short trip from "man this is great" to "13 killed in drunk driving incident".

there is seriously ONE drug out there that should be available for people to freely purchase for recreational purposes.  ONE.  You can't overdose on it.  It isn't addictive. The actual health benefits  FAR outweigh any negatives.  It requires no processing to use in its intended manner.  You all know what I am talking about.

Don't misunderstand.  It's far too late to do away with alcohol.  People like it way too much and it is way to ingrained into humanity's culture.  But mankind would likely be better off without it.

75000 deaths caused by alcohol in America alone every damn year.  2.5 million people killed by it worldwide a year.

Oh yeah, that shiat is GOOD for you.  0_o
 
2014-08-29 04:09:45 PM

tarkin1: Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of threefour categories:

1) People with major health issues (like say kidney disease and incipient diabetes).   For some reason, we die before healthy people do.  The reason we don't drink is that we already have bad health, drinking would not in any way increase our health.

2) Addicts who have given it up.  They tend to fall off the wagon, get drunk, and die.

3) A small, tiny percentage of people that are fanatics - religious or otherwise.  They tend to live longer, but there are not a lot of these.  They are far outweighed by the unhealthy and addicts.

4) Are boring.


ftff
 
2014-08-29 04:17:32 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: tarkin1: Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of threefour categories:

[...]

4) Are boring.

ftff


Presumably this means all people are boring until they chemically inhibit their brain's functioning.
/you might have a problem
 
2014-08-29 04:18:11 PM
more to the point, stress reduces your lifespan
 
2014-08-29 04:21:58 PM
I treat everyone that drinks alcohol like a wife beating, child raping alcoholic because that's how pretty all of them treat cannabis users.

Things approximately as harmful as alcohol: heroin, crack, krokodil, oxy's

Things approximately as harmful as cannabis: asprin

Keep defending the devil juice, you domestic abusing, drunk driving, nascar idiots.
 
2014-08-29 04:22:25 PM

Mytch: Ow! That was my feelings!: tarkin1: Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of threefour categories:

[...]

4) Are boring.

ftff

Presumably this means all people are boring until they chemically inhibit their brain's functioning.
/you might have a problem


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2014-08-29 04:29:47 PM

Mytch: Ow! That was my feelings!: tarkin1: Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of threefour categories:

[...]

4) Are boring.

ftff

Presumably this means all people are boring until they chemically inhibit their brain's functioning.
/you might have a problem


Selective suppression of the Buzzkill Lobe of the brain can be a critical aid to socializing.
 
2014-08-29 04:32:18 PM
There is nothing wrong with drinking, that more drinking, won't fix.
 
2014-08-29 04:43:35 PM
And huffing gold spray paint is the goddamned fountain of youth.

www.thesmokinggun.com

102 years old
 
2014-08-29 05:30:40 PM
Pro:  I'm going to live for a very long time
Con:  I won't remember most of it
 
2014-08-29 05:36:59 PM

frepnog: this is the most poorly written piece of nonsense I have ever read.

not drinking causes heart disease?

no.  moderate drinking in and of itself may have some health benefits, but not drinking alcohol causes NOTHING.

fact is that alcohol is farking DANGEROUS.  and causes many more problems than anything it helps.

if alcohol had been discovered last month, it would NEVER have been made a legal substance.


This. Alcohol is a drug. Alcoholics are simply alcohol addicts much like over indulgers of heroin are heroin addicts. If alcohol were discovered today it would be a Schedule 1 Class 1 drug much like heroin and cocaine are now. I'm for legalizing all drugs and alcohol just happens to be a Schedule 1 Class 1 drug that is already legal. The health benefits may be correlation and not causation as the majority of abstainers are on the low end of the socioeconomic scale and die earlier anyway.
---
An excerpt from an article by David Nutt Imperial College London, currently the Edmond J Safra Professor of Neuropsychopharmacology and director of the Neuropsychopharmacology Unit in the Division of Brain Sciences:
A terrifying new "legal high" has hit our streets. Methyl-carbonol, known by the street name "wiz," is a clear liquid that causes cancers, liver problems, and brain disease, and is more toxic than ecstasy and cocaine. Addiction can occur after just one drink, and addicts will go to any lengths to get their next fix - even letting their kids go hungry or beating up their partners to obtain money. Casual users can go into blind rages when they're high, and police have reported a huge increase in crime where the drug is being used. Worst of all, drinks companies are adding "wiz" to fizzy drinks and advertising them to kids like they're plain Coca-Cola. Two or three teenagers die from it every week overdosing on a binge, and another 10 from having accidents caused by reckless driving. "Wiz" is a public menace - when will the Home Secretary think of the children and make this dangerous substance Class A?

Time Magazine explains why not drinking may be unhealthy:
But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors - job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods.
...
Why drinking may be healthy:
One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.
...
And that drinking still has risks:
The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.
 
2014-08-29 05:54:10 PM

tarkin1: Idiots don't understand cause and effect.

I don't drink.
People that, like me, don't drink, generally fall into one of three categories:

1) People with major health issues (like say kidney disease and incipient diabetes).   For some reason, we die before healthy people do.  The reason we don't drink is that we already have bad health, drinking would not in any way increase our health.

2) Addicts who have given it up.  They tend to fall off the wagon, get drunk, and die.

3) A small, tiny percentage of people that are fanatics - religious or otherwise.  They tend to live longer, but there are not a lot of these.  They are far outweighed by the unhealthy and addicts.


4) Children of addicts, who have never taken it up.
 
2014-08-29 05:54:29 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I knew chugging a beer after my runs was the right thing to do.


Immodium helps too.
 
2014-08-29 06:13:52 PM

frepnog: you don't have to frequently binge drink to kill yourself with alcohol, pal. You don't even have to binge drink all the time to kill yourself slowly with the shiat.

and American's SERIOUSLY have NO addiction phobia. We love to self-medicate.

But alcohol is some serious bullshiat. Yeah, a slight buzz feels pretty ok, but it is a short trip from "man this is great" to "13 killed in drunk driving incident".

there is seriously ONE drug out there that should be available for people to freely purchase for recreational purposes. ONE. You can't overdose on it. It isn't addictive. The actual health benefits FAR outweigh any negatives. It requires no processing to use in its intended manner. You all know what I am talking about.

Don't misunderstand. It's far too late to do away with alcohol. People like it way too much and it is way to ingrained into humanity's culture. But mankind would likely be better off without it.

75000 deaths caused by alcohol in America alone every damn year. 2.5 million people killed by it worldwide a year.

Oh yeah, that shiat is GOOD for you. 0_o


Dude, seriously.  Have a drink.
 
2014-08-29 06:49:51 PM

neongoats: I treat everyone that drinks alcohol like a wife beating, child raping alcoholic because that's how pretty all of them treat cannabis users.

Things approximately as harmful as alcohol: heroin, crack, krokodil, oxy's

Things approximately as harmful as cannabis: asprin

Keep defending the devil juice, you domestic abusing, drunk driving, nascar idiots.


Maybe they're treating you like that because you treat them like that?  I know plenty of people who drink that don't care if you use cannabis or not.  I'd also imagine that plenty of Farkers do both.
 
2014-08-29 06:56:24 PM
yea, Pickling your liver/brain is healthy too.

alcohol can hurt you.  you have to treat it with respect and not overdo it.   many can't do that. they have to get sloshed all the time.
 
2014-08-29 06:58:52 PM

hammettman: I'll freely admit that I'm a double heavy drinker. So, double my chances, eh?  I'll also admit that if this kills me sooner, or later, I'm okay with it.  I'll also say that it is better to drink to science, than religion, so, keep it coming with the science.  Cheers.



google what drinking too much does to your body/mind.  you are foolish if you don't change your drinking habits.  too much of anything can ruin your health.  except The Fark.  there is no known limit to Fark.

if you don't have your health, you have nothing.
 
2014-08-29 07:01:18 PM

AngryDragon: frepnog: you don't have to frequently binge drink to kill yourself with alcohol, pal. You don't even have to binge drink all the time to kill yourself slowly with the shiat.

and American's SERIOUSLY have NO addiction phobia. We love to self-medicate.

But alcohol is some serious bullshiat. Yeah, a slight buzz feels pretty ok, but it is a short trip from "man this is great" to "13 killed in drunk driving incident".

there is seriously ONE drug out there that should be available for people to freely purchase for recreational purposes. ONE. You can't overdose on it. It isn't addictive. The actual health benefits FAR outweigh any negatives. It requires no processing to use in its intended manner. You all know what I am talking about.

Don't misunderstand. It's far too late to do away with alcohol. People like it way too much and it is way to ingrained into humanity's culture. But mankind would likely be better off without it.

75000 deaths caused by alcohol in America alone every damn year. 2.5 million people killed by it worldwide a year.

Oh yeah, that shiat is GOOD for you. 0_o

Dude, seriously.  Have a drink.



spoken by a future cirrhosis of the liver guy.  it's a very rough way to go.
 
2014-08-29 07:03:18 PM

Epic Fap Session: And huffing gold spray paint is the goddamned fountain of youth.

[www.thesmokinggun.com image 500x585]

102 years old



He's not long on this Earth.   probably gets 200 huffs per gallon off gasoline too.
 
2014-08-29 07:04:14 PM
Excessive drinking does reduce the popluation.
 
2014-08-29 07:05:07 PM
I know it's tradition to not RTFA, but some of you really need to RTFA. Your arguments are explicitly addressed and debunked by the author. If you don't like booze, that's fine. We don't care. But don't pretend that it's healthier (on average), or that most people are addicts (or are at any risk of becoming addicts), or that anyone rational conflates normal drinking with binge drinking. You're the only who does that.
 
2014-08-29 07:06:44 PM

mububobo: 6-12 beers a day is non-pathological, right?



how many days/week do you drink 6 to 12 beers??  if it is 3 or more, you are on your way to Pickled liver/brain city.  good luck.  it'll be a very unpleasant way to die.  anything over 14 per week is considered a heavy drinker.
 
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