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(Mother Jones)   Do you have a desire to go off and become an American jihadist to turn the world around and go back to barbaric times? Here's the psychological reasons behind it   (motherjones.com ) divider line
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2014-08-29 11:39:35 AM  
Makes sense to me.

why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?  i guess they want more significance and meaning and self-fulfillment in their lives, even if it means brutally killing a bunch of people and terrorizing the rest to get it.
 
2014-08-29 12:30:04 PM  
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
 
2014-08-29 12:42:05 PM  
At least now there is one less aspiring rapper out there.
 
2014-08-29 12:59:07 PM  
These young people seem to have what psychologists call a very strong "need for cognitive closure," a disposition that leads to an overwhelming desire for certainty, order, and structure in one's life to relieve the sensation of gnawing-often existential-doubt and uncertainty. According to Kruglanski, this need is something everyone can experience from time to time. We all sometimes get stressed out by uncertainty, and want answers. We all feel that way in moments, in particular situations, but what Kruglanski shows is that some of us feel that way more strongly, or maybe even all the time. And if you go through the world needing closure, it predisposes you to seek out the ideologies and belief systems that most provide it.

So, weak and intellectually lazy people externalizing their psychoses.

I could have told you that.
 
2014-08-29 01:10:55 PM  
does it include teaching math at Berkeley?
 
2014-08-29 02:40:06 PM  
On the plus side, if there's a Democrat in office, Republicans will white knight you if you don't get a trial. Or whatever they think you should get.
 
2014-08-29 02:49:32 PM  
Or join the Tea Party
 
2014-08-29 02:50:24 PM  

timujin: Some people just want to watch the world burn.


Newsflash:  Young people tend to be dumbasses.
 
2014-08-29 02:51:27 PM  
Yeah, and the psychological reason is called craziness. Just ask any tea party member. If you could just blur out the part where it points out which religion it is, that is.
 
2014-08-29 02:52:13 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: On the plus side, if there's a Democrat in office, Republicans will white knight you if you don't get a trial. Or whatever they think you should get.


Unless you're Bowe Bergdahl, of course.
 
2014-08-29 03:00:35 PM  
People who can't handle uncertainty are so farking lame.  These are the people who can't have any fun unless you stick to the plan.
 
2014-08-29 03:00:52 PM  
I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.
 
2014-08-29 03:07:35 PM  
I find it deeply saddening that people living in the same country as me can have such wildly different experiences that theirs turns them into someone willing to massacre millions to create their world, and I just want to sit back and have a drink and a laugh.

Deeply saddening.
 
2014-08-29 03:09:03 PM  

timujin: Some people just want to watch the world burn.


Rapmaster2000: These are the people who can't have any fun unless you stick to the plan.


I think we all know where this conversation is going
 
2014-08-29 03:10:15 PM  

Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.


They'd be tea partiers if they were rich or the right color.
 
2014-08-29 03:10:59 PM  

Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.



I think it's more a matter of psychological overlap rather than ideological overlap. American conservative ideology, for all its faults, just isn't as evil as that of ISIS. But the sorts of people who go full tea party are the sorts of people that, if they were born and raised in a different place, might go full ISIS.
 
2014-08-29 03:12:24 PM  
Hey subby, what do you mean "back" to barbaric times? When did they ever end?
 
2014-08-29 03:14:12 PM  

idesofmarch: Hey subby, what do you mean "back" to barbaric times? When did they ever end?


1952. August 4th. 13:42. 

Weren't you paying attention?
 
2014-08-29 03:15:42 PM  
DR:TL version of the psychological reasons: "YOU'RE A F*CKED UP ASSHOLE!!!"
 
2014-08-29 03:16:18 PM  
I'm afraid of critical thinking and complexity.
 
2014-08-29 03:17:11 PM  
Anti-G8 anarchists are the same as jihadists, one group gets arrested and the others get shot. Democrats lose more voters.
 
2014-08-29 03:19:47 PM  
I would say decades of stagnant wages and an accompanying, active destruction of the standard of living probably has disenfranchised too many people who think "Fine, I can't belong so no one can."
 
2014-08-29 03:20:57 PM  

SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?


Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.
 
2014-08-29 03:21:14 PM  
Do you have a desire to go off and become an American jihadist to turn the world around and go back to barbaric times?

nope, i've always disliked the tea party
 
2014-08-29 03:22:24 PM  

Diogenes: These young people seem to have what psychologists call a very strong "need for cognitive closure," a disposition that leads to an overwhelming desire for certainty, order, and structure in one's life to relieve the sensation of gnawing-often existential-doubt and uncertainty. According to Kruglanski, this need is something everyone can experience from time to time. We all sometimes get stressed out by uncertainty, and want answers. We all feel that way in moments, in particular situations, but what Kruglanski shows is that some of us feel that way more strongly, or maybe even all the time. And if you go through the world needing closure, it predisposes you to seek out the ideologies and belief systems that most provide it.

So, weak and intellectually lazy people externalizing their psychoses.

I could have told you that.


I don't understand why anyone should be so frightened or unsettled by uncertainty. It's life's mysteries which make it magical.
 
2014-08-29 03:22:50 PM  

Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.


What are you talking about? They hate liberalism and education almost as much as your average republican. As for why they don't pal around with tea party members, there are two real reasons: 1) even terrorists have standards, and 2) they're brown so the tea party basically tells them FOAD.
 
2014-08-29 03:23:34 PM  

Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.


You gonna back that claim up with evidence, or are we supposed to adopt a different flavor of crazy to debate?
 
2014-08-29 03:25:30 PM  

BMulligan: Diogenes: These young people seem to have what psychologists call a very strong "need for cognitive closure," a disposition that leads to an overwhelming desire for certainty, order, and structure in one's life to relieve the sensation of gnawing-often existential-doubt and uncertainty. According to Kruglanski, this need is something everyone can experience from time to time. We all sometimes get stressed out by uncertainty, and want answers. We all feel that way in moments, in particular situations, but what Kruglanski shows is that some of us feel that way more strongly, or maybe even all the time. And if you go through the world needing closure, it predisposes you to seek out the ideologies and belief systems that most provide it.

So, weak and intellectually lazy people externalizing their psychoses.

I could have told you that.

I don't understand why anyone should be so frightened or unsettled by uncertainty. It's life's mysteries which make it magical.



www.nag.co.za

...and I am terrified by it.
 
2014-08-29 03:27:48 PM  

Slaxl: idesofmarch: Hey subby, what do you mean "back" to barbaric times? When did they ever end?

1952. August 4th. 13:42. 

Weren't you paying attention?


Well that was more than 30 years before I was born, so no...
 
2014-08-29 03:28:12 PM  
Psychopaths gonna psycho.
 
2014-08-29 03:29:02 PM  

walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.


Nope. Just worm food.
 
2014-08-29 03:31:10 PM  
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2014-08-29 03:35:38 PM  

walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.


You should become an atheist. They try to convince the world that we came from star dust, our lives are brief, rare, and awesome, and and we become star dust when we die. (Or some other awesome comic body.)

/It's a pretty awesome philosophy.
 
2014-08-29 03:38:04 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DR:TL version of the psychological reasons: "YOU'RE A F*CKED UP ASSHOLE!!!"


Yes, but the important question is...why???

Setting aside all the psycho-babble, I think it's because we try too hard to 'civilize' boys too much during their tribal identity formative years. In effect, we don't let them go outside and play 'cowboys & indians' enough. Instead, we living in a zero-tolerance atmosphere that stifles and regiments naturally wild boys, and then locks them up and/or convicts them in ways that emasculate them and render them unemployable in the modern world.

Some join the US Army. Some join ISIS.
 
2014-08-29 03:40:32 PM  

technoblogical: walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.

You should become an atheist. They try to convince the world that we came from star dust, our lives are brief, rare, and awesome, and and we become star dust when we die. (Or some other awesome comic body.)

/It's a pretty awesome philosophy.


Life is far more enjoyable and awesome without the constraints of religious dogma and gods from my experience, anyway. Man is the measure of all things and the concept of an "after life" strikes me as nothing more than human vanity.
 
2014-08-29 03:49:58 PM  

keylock71: ife is far more enjoyable and awesome without the constraints of religious dogma and gods from my experience, anyway. Man is the measure of all things and the concept of an "after life" strikes me as nothing more than human vanity.


thedoteaters.com 
Death is a primitive concept. I prefer to think of them as battling evil in another dimension.
 
2014-08-29 03:53:45 PM  

Poopspasm: Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.

What are you talking about? They hate liberalism and education almost as much as your average republican. As for why they don't pal around with tea party members, there are two real reasons: 1) even terrorists have standards, and 2) they're brown so the tea party basically tells them FOAD.


Bible thumpers don't like Qur'an thumpers, and vice versa.
 
2014-08-29 03:55:24 PM  

Publikwerks: keylock71: ife is far more enjoyable and awesome without the constraints of religious dogma and gods from my experience, anyway. Man is the measure of all things and the concept of an "after life" strikes me as nothing more than human vanity.

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Death is a primitive concept. I prefer to think of them as battling evil in another dimension.


Dammit, I know what that's from... Just can't think of the name.
 
2014-08-29 03:59:17 PM  

walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.


i1.wp.com
 
2014-08-29 04:03:30 PM  

keylock71: technoblogical: walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.

You should become an atheist. They try to convince the world that we came from star dust, our lives are brief, rare, and awesome, and and we become star dust when we die. (Or some other awesome comic body.)

/It's a pretty awesome philosophy.

Life is far more enjoyable and awesome without the constraints of religious dogma and gods from my experience, anyway. Man is the measure of all things and the concept of an "after life" strikes me as nothing more than human vanity.


This post gave me euphoria.
 
2014-08-29 04:09:34 PM  

thamike: walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.

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Interesting...what is this "the rest" you refer to?
 
2014-08-29 04:12:13 PM  
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GO home and bring me back 2 bean pies and a pork chop sandwich!
 
2014-08-29 04:24:41 PM  

walkingtall: SlothB77: why can't they just accept that we become dirt when we die?

Because we don't. Our bodies do but the rest doesn't. These things are ingrained into us from the very beginning. It will never be any different no matter how many times people like you try to convince the world we came from nothing our lives mean nothing and we become nothing when we die.


You're going to have a tough time getting that theory around Occam's razor.
 
2014-08-29 04:24:51 PM  

mayIFark: Yeah, and the psychological reason is called craziness. Just ask any tea party member. If you could just blur out the part where it points out which religion it is, that is.


How the hell do you compare some old man (tea party) wanting his property taxes lowered, to someone (jihadist) killing women and children and burying them in a mass grave. Or hasn't Jon Stewart given you the go ahead on ISIS yet ?
 
2014-08-29 04:40:16 PM  

Captain Darling: Mrbogey: I want to know why, if there is such an ideological overlap between Republicans/Tea Party and the Taliban/ISIS are all the American recruits typically not sympathetic to the Republicans/Tea Party and come from anti-Republican/Tea Party demographics.

I think it's more a matter of psychological overlap rather than ideological overlap. American conservative ideology, for all its faults, just isn't as evil as that of ISIS. But the sorts of people who go full tea party are the sorts of people that, if they were born and raised in a different place, might go full ISIS.


Yes, and we're used to seeing it with religion - my religion is 100% right and you are evil if you criticize it and you are going to hell if you don't accept my religion and I should have the right to force you to accept my religion

For those who take their religion this seriously you get exactly the same attitudes but they use a different name for their version of The Truth
 
2014-08-29 04:40:39 PM  
There are quite a few people here in Australia (I am sure you have them in America as well) who are saying that if someone wants to go overseas and join ISIS we should let them go, as long as they never come back.

I actually find this to be an incredibly racist idea. Why?

"Oh, let's release our most dangerous pedophiles, rapists and murderers from prison and send them overseas where they won't bother us! If they torture, maim, rape and kill someone while they are over there, it won't matter at all because they will be doing this to ignorant brown people that we don't care about! That won't matter because at least we, the important people, will be free of their crimes."

That is what I see as the underlying mindset here. Disgusting.
 
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2014-08-29 04:40:46 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: How the hell do you compare some old man (tea party) wanting his property taxes lowered, to someone (jihadist) killing women and children and burying them in a mass grave.


Yes.  Exactly!  How could anyone possibly compare the two.  It's impossibe!

thedailysearch.com

www.rickbeckman.org


/Though the Department of Homeland Security had something to say on the matter.
 
2014-08-29 04:46:56 PM  

BMulligan: Diogenes: These young people seem to have what psychologists call a very strong "need for cognitive closure," a disposition that leads to an overwhelming desire for certainty, order, and structure in one's life to relieve the sensation of gnawing-often existential-doubt and uncertainty. According to Kruglanski, this need is something everyone can experience from time to time. We all sometimes get stressed out by uncertainty, and want answers. We all feel that way in moments, in particular situations, but what Kruglanski shows is that some of us feel that way more strongly, or maybe even all the time. And if you go through the world needing closure, it predisposes you to seek out the ideologies and belief systems that most provide it.

So, weak and intellectually lazy people externalizing their psychoses.

I could have told you that.

I don't understand why anyone should be so frightened or unsettled by uncertainty. It's life's mysteries which make it magical.


At least 47% find very scary anything that challenges their idea of how the world should work


Brown guy in charge, queers in public and proud, people speaking languages you don't understand

Thank god I can buy as many guns as I want
 
2014-08-29 04:48:31 PM  
 Here's the psychological reasons behind it

I figure they just lose their heads.
 
2014-08-29 04:54:27 PM  
I thought it was conservatives who have the need for "cognitive closure"? Oh well, it's two sides of the same coin. If you're white and whacked, you might join a militia at either end of the spectrum. The path to joining Posse Comitatus is pretty much closed to blacks in the US, so ISIS is their only option. The "milder" version of this sort of mental illness leads you to the Sovereign Citizen or Nation of Islam movements. The Tea Party will take anybody, but in practice the only blacks who join the TP are successful rich ones who mistake their good fortune (although I won't deny the element of hard work and talent) for self-actualized achievement. You need only be a minor league fool to be poor, white and a member of the Tea Party. You'd need to be heroically foolish to be poor, black and a Tea Partier.
 
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