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(Gawker)   Ferguson police sued for $40M for violating citizens' civil rights, or, to put it in terms they understand, the cost of about 60 new mine-resistant armored vehicles   (gawker.com) divider line 189
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2014-08-29 02:23:01 AM  
This is the first of what I am sure will be a number of lawsuits from protesters and non-protesting citizens alike, not to mention the lawsuit that Brown's family will no doubt file. And there is video footage of a lot of these violations, so good luck to the city's attorneys.
 
2014-08-29 03:34:14 AM  
The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.
 
2014-08-29 08:25:14 AM  

whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.


Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police unions.
 
2014-08-29 08:50:43 AM  

PreMortem: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police unions.


Union in themselves aren't the problem. You want a method for employees to collectively present their demands for what they consider a fair work environment and negotiate with management on their behalf.

Now what you likely mean is a scheme where ineffective police officers remain on the force with full pay and benefits after making apparently serious lapses in judgment. If it's something that a normal person would get fired over what makes being part of a union special?

/not referring to Ferguson in the above example
 
2014-08-29 09:03:06 AM  
Frivolous lawsuit is frivolous
 
2014-08-29 09:05:22 AM  

PreMortem: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police public sector unions.



Fixed that for you
 
2014-08-29 09:06:33 AM  
Why would those pigs use wontons?
 
2014-08-29 09:08:52 AM  
It would be better if they were forced to liquidate their mil-surp gear and give the proceeds to the community. Otherwise it is just a tax circle jerk.
 
2014-08-29 09:09:04 AM  

enry: PreMortem: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police unions.

Union in themselves aren't the problem. You want a method for employees to collectively present their demands for what they consider a fair work environment and negotiate with management on their behalf.

Now what you likely mean is a scheme where ineffective police officers remain on the force with full pay and benefits after making apparently serious lapses in judgment. If it's something that a normal person would get fired over what makes being part of a union special?

/not referring to Ferguson in the above example


Not talking machinists here. There are several facets exclusive to police union protections, as well as legal, that are at the root of this systemic delimma.

There is a story on the Chicago news that a Lt. Shoved a gun in the suspects mouth. It happened in Jan '13. He just this week was relieved.
 
2014-08-29 09:10:41 AM  

whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.


Congrats on winning the lawsuit, citizens.
Here is your cut Mr. Lawyer *hands check for 60% of award*
Now dividing up the remaining award among all litigants, you each get $50.
Next tax evaluation time: In order to pay for lawsuit awards and keep all essential government services, your taxes will be going up $75 per person.

Cycle, rinse, repeat.

/Pyrrhic victory for the win
 
2014-08-29 09:10:50 AM  
Yeah, I dunno where they'd get that kind of money to pay that off.  Even more traffic stops and parking tickets, of the people suing them now?
 
2014-08-29 09:12:45 AM  
Remember kiddies, there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING that the derp brigades can't blame on unions.
 
2014-08-29 09:14:30 AM  
That $40 million sure will sting! Yup, having to pay $35 million after the way they were shamefully treated by those protestors is really going to show them. In fact the $25 million may just be the first part of a larger settlement, say, $10 million. The cops sure will learn their lessons after the city pays that $5 million out in settlement money.


/srsly tho, overhaul police unions , add a randomly selected (non-cop) citizen to the review process and make it mandatory they attend victim impact panels when they wrongfully kill
//it works for DUI, apparently
 
2014-08-29 09:14:40 AM  
Cops don't need tanks and missles.
 
2014-08-29 09:15:46 AM  
Disband the police department? It's been done before. In fact, the officer that shot Brown dead (Darren Wilson) was one of 44 police fired from the Jennings PD because of a history of racism, violence and corruption. Three years later he's shooting kids in the street with an "unblemished record".

Perhaps we will get some police oversight when PD abuses start bankrupting cities.

/after a shooting, the police should be drug screened, just like pilots and truck drivers. Investigations should be done by an outside agency, and a full report, including lessons learned should be publicly released.
 
2014-08-29 09:18:09 AM  

Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.


Tear gassing journalists for freedom
 
2014-08-29 09:18:31 AM  

PreMortem: enry: PreMortem: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police unions.

Union in themselves aren't the problem. You want a method for employees to collectively present their demands for what they consider a fair work environment and negotiate with management on their behalf.

Now what you likely mean is a scheme where ineffective police officers remain on the force with full pay and benefits after making apparently serious lapses in judgment. If it's something that a normal person would get fired over what makes being part of a union special?

/not referring to Ferguson in the above example

Not talking machinists here. There are several facets exclusive to police union protections, as well as legal, that are at the root of this systemic delimma.

There is a story on the Chicago news that a Lt. Shoved a gun in the suspects mouth. It happened in Jan '13. He just this week was relieved.


We're on the same page.
 
2014-08-29 09:18:57 AM  

MFAWG: Remember kiddies, there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING that the derp brigades can't blame on unions. Bush.

 
2014-08-29 09:19:24 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: This is the first of what I am sure will be a number of lawsuits from protesters and non-protesting citizens alike, not to mention the lawsuit that Brown's family will no doubt file. And there is video footage of a lot of these violations, so good luck to the city's attorneys.


Ever notice how every union busting GOP and TEAhadist seems to always exclude Police and Fire unions? Ever wonder why?
 
2014-08-29 09:19:28 AM  
Arent the police allowed to use force when you dont listen to their commands?
 
2014-08-29 09:19:33 AM  

Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.


*WHOOOOSH*

That was the sound of the real issue flying over your head.
 
2014-08-29 09:19:37 AM  

BalugaJoe: Cops don't need tanks and missles.


Cock punches . they can have all they want.
 
2014-08-29 09:19:57 AM  
$40MM??? why, that's about 3 lbs of marijuana!!!

//cop math
 
2014-08-29 09:20:40 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: This is the first of what I am sure will be a number of lawsuits from protesters and non-protesting citizens alike, not to mention the lawsuit that Brown's family will no doubt file. And there is video footage of a lot of these violations, so good luck to the city's attorneys.


A buddy of mine lives in Ferguson and I told him to expect a lot of suits. He clearly didn't get why that would be the case asking repeatedly "why?" He's white, a good guy yet somewhat prejudiced but doesn't acknowledge that, but still doesn't understand the why of what's going on. I think that is true of all of Ferguson's white minority: they're just blind to reality.

Brainsick: That $40 million sure will sting! Yup, having to pay $35 million after the way they were shamefully treated by those protestors is really going to show them. In fact the $25 million may just be the first part of a larger settlement, say, $10 million. The cops sure will learn their lessons after the city pays that $5 million out in settlement money.


That's okay, after the lawyers take their 50% cut, those folks will be positively rich.
 
2014-08-29 09:21:05 AM  

dantheman195: Frivolous lawsuit is frivolous


As much shiat went down in that town, i'm sure there are some legitimate complaints to made.
 
2014-08-29 09:21:58 AM  
Cool, just what the City of Ferguson needs... $40 mill pay out. So those burned out buildings will still be there in 20 yrs?

/ Was in Compton for LA Riots II (1992)
// still had burned out bldgs/ vacant lots from LA Riots I (1968).
 
2014-08-29 09:22:45 AM  

Prophet of Loss: shower_in_my_socks: This is the first of what I am sure will be a number of lawsuits from protesters and non-protesting citizens alike, not to mention the lawsuit that Brown's family will no doubt file. And there is video footage of a lot of these violations, so good luck to the city's attorneys.

Ever notice how every union busting GOP and TEAhadist seems to always exclude Police and Fire unions? Ever wonder why?


or if they're in one themselves.  I know a lot of pilots and all I hear from one of them is how bad unions are and socialist this, marxist that.  And then he goes and brags how he only works every 4th day essentially and gets paid for the rest anyways (fairly senior pilot).

//we were at a pool party discussing Twitter as a news source the other day and he said "if I want to get the latest news I just go the The Blaze"
///I knew right then it was going to be a long afternoon
 
2014-08-29 09:23:16 AM  

enry: If it's something that a normal person would get fired over what makes being part of a union special?


Red tape, usually.  Make it possible but really, really, time-consuming to fire someone.  But generally speaking, I agree with you---unions themselves aren't the problem.  The "problems" that have caused what's happening in Ferguson are really complex and in many cases have been building for years if not decades.  The drug war, increased militarization of police forces, low black voter turnout (it's the only explanation of why a majority black city would have such overwhelmingly white police forces), etc.

Unfortunately there's not silver bullet here---you have to address a lot of problems in a lot of different ways.
 
2014-08-29 09:24:18 AM  

Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.


They have that WITH the police, so they'd at least be saving money.
 
2014-08-29 09:24:25 AM  
In some threads a 911 dispatcher should have legal authority to tell you "we dont need you to do that" and it should be followed as a lawful order.

While in other threads the guys with actual badges telling you that you now have to move because people are throwing bottles and shooting live rounds at police should be a request that is to be ignored because protests and civil rights and reasons.
 
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2014-08-29 09:24:57 AM  
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2014-08-29 09:25:31 AM  
While the police handled this entire situation poorly, I see this as a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation. The police were heavy handed in controlling the protests/riots but had they allowed the rioters to loot and burn unopposed they would have been railed at for "not doing anything".
 
2014-08-29 09:25:38 AM  
Anyone want to guess how much the cops make when they arrest the plaintiffs as they leave the court house, charge them with simple possession and seize their assets?
 
2014-08-29 09:26:36 AM  

Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.


Pretty much not an accurate description of what happened at all.
*Officer probably picked a fight with him, and then shot him.  Even the police account seems to agree Michael Brown (and the other kid) were running away.  Shooting someone over jaywalking isn't 'upholding the law.'  Neither is grabbing them by the throat.
*There was very little burning, rioting, or looting.  Very little.  YOu know who rioted?  White people upset that Joe Paterno wasn't gonna coach Penn State.  Now THAT was a riot.
*Citizens, who were already being repressed is systemic ways, can't go arrest the police officers who assaulted them during the demonstrations, so a civil suit is their only legal remedy.  Like the folks who were standing in their own backyard, with their hands up, and the officer fired off tear gas at them, claiming they shot at him... except one of the portesters was filming at the time, and proves he's a liar.

/Did you know the use of tear gas in WAR is against many international treaties?  It's considered a chemical weapon.
 
2014-08-29 09:26:39 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.

*WHOOOOSH*

That was the sound of the real issue flying over your head.


I'm pretty sure he is headless...

 Peter Venkman: Yes it's true. ... This man is has no head.
 
2014-08-29 09:27:19 AM  
There should be a national licensing system like the ABA. Cops should have to pass rigorous testing to get licensed before they ever get their first job. If they do terrible things or make poor decisions that lead to death or injury or violate anyone's rights, their license should be yanked. Permanently.

The police should all have civilian review boards with the authority to act to remove officers that do terrible things. Or, even, disband the entire operation.

No money/property confiscated should be allowed to go to the police. That creates conflict of interest.

Cops should not have military-type weaponry like assault rifles, grenades or any heavy weapons. No tanks. If shiat gets to where they are under-weaponed, call in the goddamn NG. Also, SWAT use must be justified and deployment must be signed off by the local Mayor or town manager or whatever.

Judges need to have a method for review of the warrants they sign off on. They should be penalized for signing some of the bullshiat they greenlight.
 
2014-08-29 09:27:20 AM  
How long does it typically take a Grand Jury to make a decision in cases like Darren Wilson? Does anyone know?
 
2014-08-29 09:27:40 AM  

Giltric: In some threads a 911 dispatcher should have legal authority to tell you "we dont need you to do that" and it should be followed as a lawful order.

While in other threads the guys with actual badges telling you that you now have to move because people are throwing bottles and shooting live rounds at police should be a request that is to be ignored because protests and civil rights and reasons.


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/on phone
 
2014-08-29 09:27:42 AM  

Im_Gumby: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Congrats on winning the lawsuit, citizens.
Here is your cut Mr. Lawyer *hands check for 60% of award*
Now dividing up the remaining award among all litigants, you each get $50.
Next tax evaluation time: In order to pay for lawsuit awards and keep all essential government services, your taxes will be going up $75 per person.

Cycle, rinse, repeat.

/Pyrrhic victory for the win


Then maybe some of the people will register, vote and they will have a new city government to prevent the repeat.
 
2014-08-29 09:28:02 AM  

Lee451: While the police handled this entire situation poorly, I see this as a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation. The police were heavy handed in controlling the protests/riots but had they allowed the rioters to loot and burn unopposed they would have been railed at for "not doing anything".


You're right, had they done nothing, people would be attacking them for NOT arresting journalists sitting in McDonalds.
 
2014-08-29 09:28:03 AM  

dantheman195: PreMortem: whidbey: The money already belongs to the taxpayers.

The force should be replaced, not sued.

Replaced with what? Robots?

How about disbanding, and making illegal police public sector unions.

Fixed that for you


Public employees shouldn't have the Constitutional rights of freedom of assembly, speech and association?  That's all a union is, at the end of the day.

Also, you might want to look at some of the pre-union and pre-civil service history of public employees in this country.  You think it's bad now?  read some history.

Imagine your least favorite modern politician.

Now imagine him or her staffing, say, the IRS, or the EPA, or the FDA, with nothing but his cronies.

You really want drugs evaluated by Charlie Rangel's brother-in-law, or Ted Cruz' idiot nephew, rather than, say, a biochemist?

That's the situation we'll go back to, if you remove protections from government employees.  The current situation ain't perfect...but there's a reason we made it the way it is.
 
2014-08-29 09:29:09 AM  

Lee451: While the police handled this entire situation poorly, I see this as a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation. The police were heavy handed in controlling the protests/riots but had they allowed the rioters to loot and burn unopposed they would have been railed at for "not doing anything".


No one was looting and burning until AFTER the Police Brigade showed up with their shiny deadly toys
 
2014-08-29 09:30:23 AM  

weddingsinger: Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.

Pretty much not an accurate description of what happened at all.
*Officer probably picked a fight with him, and then shot him.  Even the police account seems to agree Michael Brown (and the other kid) were running away.  Shooting someone over jaywalking isn't 'upholding the law.'  Neither is grabbing them by the throat.
*There was very little burning, rioting, or looting.  Very little.  YOu know who rioted?  White people upset that Joe Paterno wasn't gonna coach Penn State.  Now THAT was a riot.
*Citizens, who were already being repressed is systemic ways, can't go arrest the police officers who assaulted them during the demonstrations, so a civil suit is their only legal remedy.  Like the folks who were standing in their own backyard, with their hands up, and the officer fired off tear gas at them, claiming they shot at him... except one of the portesters was filming at the time, and proves he's a liar.

/Did you know the use of tear gas in WAR is against many international treaties?  It's considered a chemical weapon.


Geneva convention only applies to soldiers.

Cops are not soldiers, they are allowed to use gas and hollow points, just like every other citizen with pepper spray in their purse or black talons in their concealed carry weapon,.
 
2014-08-29 09:30:35 AM  

Giltric: In some threads a 911 dispatcher should have legal authority to tell you "we dont need you to do that" and it should be followed as a lawful order.

While in other threads the guys with actual badges telling you that you now have to move because people are throwing bottles and shooting live rounds at police should be a request that is to be ignored because protests and civil rights and reasons.


what about when the cops give an order, the people comply and the cops gas them anyhow and maybe beat one or two of them
 
2014-08-29 09:31:35 AM  

dr_blasto: what about when the cops give an order, the people comply and the cops gas them anyhow and maybe beat one or two of them


If they didn't beat them you'd be complaining the police didn't do enough. Duh.
 
2014-08-29 09:32:52 AM  
Turn the place into an amusement park, "Riot World"
 
2014-08-29 09:33:13 AM  
I'm ok with a lawsuit.  If the PD has enough money and resources to use military grade weapons to harass, intimidate, and assault the citizens they are sworn to protect, then they have too much money and resources.
 
2014-08-29 09:34:00 AM  

Giltric: weddingsinger: Thunderpipes: And they will continue to wonder why their town sucks......

Throw any officer in jail who dares to uphold the law.
Loot, burn, riot, plunder.
Sue your own town.

Smart.

Should disband the police there, let the citizens have what they want, lawlessness, violence, arson.

Pretty much not an accurate description of what happened at all.
*Officer probably picked a fight with him, and then shot him.  Even the police account seems to agree Michael Brown (and the other kid) were running away.  Shooting someone over jaywalking isn't 'upholding the law.'  Neither is grabbing them by the throat.
*There was very little burning, rioting, or looting.  Very little.  YOu know who rioted?  White people upset that Joe Paterno wasn't gonna coach Penn State.  Now THAT was a riot.
*Citizens, who were already being repressed is systemic ways, can't go arrest the police officers who assaulted them during the demonstrations, so a civil suit is their only legal remedy.  Like the folks who were standing in their own backyard, with their hands up, and the officer fired off tear gas at them, claiming they shot at him... except one of the portesters was filming at the time, and proves he's a liar.

/Did you know the use of tear gas in WAR is against many international treaties?  It's considered a chemical weapon.

Geneva convention only applies to soldiers.

Cops are not soldiers, they are allowed to use gas and hollow points, just like every other citizen with pepper spray in their purse or black talons in their concealed carry weapon,.


Cops are not soldiers? Well then maybe they shouldn't get so worked up when other citizens don't follow their 'orders' that they beat and/or kill them to ensure submission. Or is it OK to beat another citizen for not listening to you?
 
2014-08-29 09:34:18 AM  

kronicfeld: dr_blasto: what about when the cops give an order, the people comply and the cops gas them anyhow and maybe beat one or two of them

If they didn't beat them you'd be complaining the police didn't do enough. Duh.


clearly
 
2014-08-29 09:34:54 AM  

Private_Citizen: Perhaps we will get some police oversight when PD abuses start bankrupting cities.


This isn't about increased militarization of the police and their lack of accountability for using excessive, even deadly force in very questionable situations.

The fact is, a thuggy thug was thugging like a thug, and a brave police officer stopped him, so all subsequent actions taken by the police are completely justified.  As a matter of fact, this thugging thug's thugging is evidence enough that there needs to be absolutely no oversight of this department's actions for the past decade, as they must have been completely justified.
 
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