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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Federal lawsuit claims zoning codes are discriminatory if applied to religious groups. Subby plans to open faith-based oil refinery in upscale residential neighborhood   (startribune.com) divider line 99
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2014-08-28 09:40:56 AM  
concluding that a religious and cultural center was incompatible with the light-industrial zoning

Before the article I thought it was going to be more BS about a religiosu group asking for a variance on parking, building height, etc.

But that is farking garbage.

A bunch of people praying in abasement isn;t going to interfere with an industrial zone.
 
2014-08-28 11:10:10 AM  
If you pray hard enough your 87 octane gas will turn into 93 octane, just like the blood of Christ.
 
2014-08-28 11:10:21 AM  
As long as they start paying taxes, let em do what they want.
 
2014-08-28 11:14:07 AM  
I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!
 
2014-08-28 11:14:13 AM  
If you're reading this you were trolled by Subby.
 
2014-08-28 11:14:43 AM  

WhiskeySticks: As long as they start paying taxes, let em do what they want.


People who already pay taxes don't get to do whatever they want. Why should a religious-based organization be treated differently in that respect?
 
2014-08-28 11:14:51 AM  

nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!


That.
 
2014-08-28 11:16:30 AM  
Even the planning board approved it.  This was not a zoning problem, it was a -cough-ahem- zoning problem.
 
2014-08-28 11:18:44 AM  

dionysusaur: nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!

That.


I'm starting my own religion. With Blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the religion.
 
2014-08-28 11:19:06 AM  
COnsidering that organized religion is the most profitable industry out there, I don't see why they wouldn't be zoned commercial.
 
2014-08-28 11:20:16 AM  

qorkfiend: WhiskeySticks: As long as they start paying taxes, let em do what they want.

People who already pay taxes don't get to do whatever they want. Why should a religious-based organization be treated differently in that respect?


Because they pretty much already get to do what they want without paying taxes...
 
2014-08-28 11:20:31 AM  

nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!


You misspelled prostitutes.  And there's already historical precedent.
 
2014-08-28 11:21:19 AM  

WhiskeySticks: As long as they start paying taxes, let em do what they want.


Maybe they can get some tax advice from Pat Robertson or the Duggars.
 
2014-08-28 11:21:22 AM  

nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!



Sister Mary Margeret on a stripper pole?  Do. Not. Want.
 
2014-08-28 11:21:31 AM  

dustygrimp: Even the planning board approved it.  This was not a zoning problem, it was a -cough-ahem- zoning problem.


But using the basement for meetings on Friday nights without affecting the business leasing the building will cripple the region's economic development.
 
2014-08-28 11:21:54 AM  

doyner: COnsidering that organized religion is the most profitable industry out there, I don't see why they wouldn't be zoned commercial.


This is what liberals actually believe.
 
2014-08-28 11:22:00 AM  
Why can't people pray at home?

Act like adults, forget the religious "leaders."

PS  Religion = superstition + $$$$$
 
2014-08-28 11:22:03 AM  

dustygrimp: Even the planning board approved it.  This was not a zoning problem, it was a -cough-ahem- zoning problem.


Yep. A vocal minority of bigots came out against the idea of freedom of religion, and the town council voted to support bigotry instead of freedom. Only one person had the balls to do what needed to be done:

Jim Roth, the lone council member to back the center, predicted then that the council's rejection would spawn a lawsuit. Roth said he was "embarrassed" and "stunned" by some of the remarks made.

The one person with both ethics and morals in the right place, and, I guarantee, the one person that'll be voted out for a bigot come their next election because, clearly, he's not a fine, upstanding, God-fearing member of this town.

And, a reminder - it doesn't take a majority to influence decision. A vocal minority, no matter how nasty, hateful, or wrong, can still make politicians do what they want, because politicians want to stay in office. Less than 2% of this town demonstrated their ignorant bigotry, and yet 80% of the town council voted their way.
 
2014-08-28 11:22:06 AM  

dustygrimp: Even the planning board approved it.  This was not a zoning problem, it was a -cough-ahem- zoning problem.


It's a problem alright.

One where the local Christian church can give an innovation before the city council meeting that then decides no dirty Muslims are allowed to build a mosque in their city -even if they stay in the industrial zone.
 
2014-08-28 11:22:20 AM  

dustygrimp: Even the planning board approved it.  This was not a zoning problem, it was a -cough-ahem- zoning problem.


As low an opinion I have of religion and Islam in particular, this reeks of bigotry. People should be free to unquestioningly believe whatever stupid shiat was hammered into their heads as children and to blindly practice those beliefs provided they're not farking things up for the people who believe different stupid shiat.
 
2014-08-28 11:23:26 AM  
Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.
 
2014-08-28 11:24:34 AM  

JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.


Since you seem to already be constructing a parallel universe in your imagination, why don't you tell us?
 
2014-08-28 11:26:30 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why can't people pray at home?

Act like adults, forget the religious "leaders."

PS  Religion = superstition + $$$$$


It's certainly more along the lines Jesus preached.


//everytime you see a televangelist praying it's they are mushroom stamping Jesus.
 
2014-08-28 11:28:28 AM  
Considering that many evangelical outfits operate out of rented space in light industrial centers yeah this exclusion smells like bullshait.
 
2014-08-28 11:30:12 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: doyner: COnsidering that organized religion is the most profitable industry out there, I don't see why they wouldn't be zoned commercial.

This is what liberals actually believe.



Some of us, yes.  This is one of those cases where an opinion was based on observation of recurring phenomena.

Crazy, I know.
 
2014-08-28 11:30:13 AM  

nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!


How much does it cost to get baptized?
 
2014-08-28 11:30:17 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.

Since you seem to already be constructing a parallel universe in your imagination, why don't you tell us?


So asking a hypothetical is now constructing a parallel universe in my imagination.  Got it.

You may wish to lay off the comics.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-28 11:33:10 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: doyner: COnsidering that organized religion is the most profitable industry out there, I don't see why they wouldn't be zoned commercial.

This is what liberals actually believe.


Yup.

www.howmuchmoneytheymake.com

Facts are stubborn things.
 
2014-08-28 11:33:24 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: dionysusaur: nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!

That.

I'm starting my own religion. With Blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the religion.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-28 11:33:37 AM  

JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.


There is an Islamic center right next to a synagogue about 2 miles from my house but I live in a pretty calm and rational town so it has never been an issue.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-28 11:34:01 AM  

tjsands1118: nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!

How much does it cost to get baptized?


There is no sex in the champagne room!
 
2014-08-28 11:34:49 AM  
so basically the landlord wants to use the basement as a religious cultural center and continue to rent the space to the business that already are there. town says no its not zoned for that.

I think this has more to do with tax revenue and $$ than it does for creating some kind of religious center. Did the landlord purchase the site thinking they could get a variance to convert the site for religious activities ? or did the owner decide that as a religious center he wont have to pay taxes on the space used by the cultural center and the town loses out of its small industrial area ?

Why don't religious folks ever want to buy or use property that is zoned and in areas for such things ? Its always folks trying to force their church or center in to places that have already said NO. Everyone of these stories comes down to this town or these people need to make special accommodations for us. Not we should look for places that are zoned accordingly.
 
2014-08-28 11:34:59 AM  
Have them move in....... wait 2 weeks before they sue over noise and smells...... see them win.  I hate this crap.
 
2014-08-28 11:35:07 AM  

tjsands1118: nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!

How much does it cost to get baptized?


2 drink minimium to get into the service.

20 bucks for a one song one "nun" baptism.

30 bucks for a one song two "nun" baptism.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-28 11:35:13 AM  

monoski: JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.

There is an Islamic center right next to a synagogue about 2 miles from my house but I live in a pretty calm and rational town so it has never been an issue.


teabagger: "So your town is {communist/socialist/pinko} then right?"
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-28 11:36:06 AM  

trivaavirt: Have them move in....... wait 2 weeks before they sue over noise and smells...... see them win.  I hate this crap.


I hear that there is also an airport in the area.
 
2014-08-28 11:36:27 AM  

d23: tjsands1118: nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!

How much does it cost to get baptized?

There is no sex in the champagne room!


Tell that to the ladies at the former Sportsman's Inn in Providence.
 
2014-08-28 11:36:55 AM  

JDJoeE: So asking a hypothetical is now constructing a parallel universe in my imagination.  Got it.


Usually hypotheticals are intended to illustrate some principle. What principle are you attempting to illustrate? I've been trying to sort out why the federal government wouldn't do the exact same thing were it a Hasidic neighborhood and I've got nothing. I'm honestly curious, what's the point of the hypothetical you've proposed?

JDJoeE: You may wish to lay off the comics.


You first.
 
2014-08-28 11:37:02 AM  

nocturnal001: I'm going to start a new Church where all of my nuns are strippers!


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2014-08-28 11:38:51 AM  

liam76: A bunch of people praying in abasement isn;t going to interfere with an industrial zone.


It does, because the building can't then be filled with a commercial activity which can hire dozens of people and/or manufacture goods, creating more money flowing through the local economy.
 
2014-08-28 11:39:49 AM  

d23: monoski: JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.

There is an Islamic center right next to a synagogue about 2 miles from my house but I live in a pretty calm and rational town so it has never been an issue.

teabagger: "So your town is {communist/socialist/pinko} then right?"


Predominantly Republican actually
 
2014-08-28 11:40:32 AM  

kindms: Why don't religious folks ever want to buy or use property that is zoned and in areas for such things ?


Yeah, putting shiat like this in light industrial zones is the least obtrusive place for it. I could be wrong but I don't think anybody zones places for "religious center".

kindms: Its always folks trying to force their church or center in to places that have already said NO.


Ececept the planning comission said yes. So nobody already said "no".
The council's 4-1 vote went against a city planning commission recommendation that it approve the 15,000-square-foot center in the former Medtronic headquarters at 3055 Old Hwy. 8

kindms: Everyone of these stories comes down to this town or these people need to make special accommodations for us.


Yeah, the town has used that zone for similiar gatherings.

This smells like prejudice against muslims, nothing more.
 
2014-08-28 11:42:02 AM  

monoski: d23: monoski: JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.

There is an Islamic center right next to a synagogue about 2 miles from my house but I live in a pretty calm and rational town so it has never been an issue.

teabagger: "So your town is {communist/socialist/pinko} then right?"

Predominantly Republican actually


Of course, but liberals get all emotional when you claim that Republicans are calm and rational.
 
2014-08-28 11:42:14 AM  
Submitter if you put it upwind of one of the Koch brothers I'd donate for a few shares
 
2014-08-28 11:43:23 AM  

d23: monoski: JDJoeE: Wonder how active the same Fed would be in ensuring an Islamic center wound up in some Hasidic neighborhood.

There is an Islamic center right next to a synagogue about 2 miles from my house but I live in a pretty calm and rational town so it has never been an issue.

teabagger: "So your town is {communist/socialist/pinko} then right?"


This. The continued polarization of society means that this is, in many places, an actual, credible response from some folks.

WelldeadLink: liam76: A bunch of people praying in abasement isn;t going to interfere with an industrial zone.

It does, because the building can't then be filled with a commercial activity which can hire dozens of people and/or manufacture goods, creating more money flowing through the local economy.


Derp. They're not filling "the building" with anything but business. They're using the basement for their gatherings, and renting out the building for the very thing you've just described. Even if they can't use the basement as a mosque, they still bought the building (at nearly $2 million) for business.
 
2014-08-28 11:44:01 AM  

WelldeadLink: liam76: A bunch of people praying in abasement isn;t going to interfere with an industrial zone.

It does, because the building can't then be filled with a commercial activity which can hire dozens of people and/or manufacture goods, creating more money flowing through the local economy.


It is in an unused basement.

Even if it wasn't the city doesn't see a % of what the cost of the goods is they just get revenue for tax on the building.
 
2014-08-28 11:46:32 AM  
I'm so glad there are some conservatives here to tell me what I believe.
 
2014-08-28 11:46:37 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why can't people pray at home?

Act like adults, forget the religious "leaders."

PS  Religion = superstition + $$$$$


And atheism has left Richard Dawkins standing in line for the public dole. You don't believe in God but need someone to tell you why? There is a sucker born every minute.
 
2014-08-28 11:46:46 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: And if the other 189 top earning preachers also had that net worth, the would just barely hit Bill Gates'.


It isn't so much that there are a few big winners in the religion con like Joel Osteen, it's that it's so pervasive. I didn't realize that religion was such a big thing until I moved out of California to to places that literally had a church on every corner and five plus cable channels dedicated to nothing but religious programming. When you start adding it all up, that's a huge amount of money and resources that for the most part is just being poured down the drain.

It's like locusts, individually they're not that bad but you never had just one locust.
 
2014-08-28 11:47:08 AM  
Monkeyhouse Zendo:  People should be free to unquestioningly believe whatever stupid shiat was hammered into their heads as children and to blindly practice those beliefs provided they're not farking things up for the people who believe different stupid shiat.

I'm pretty sure that was the original statement for freedom of religion.
 
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