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(Business Insider)   Old and busted: "These are not Russian soldiers in Ukraine." New hotness: "This is what Russian soldiers like to do with their vacation time, fight in the Ukraine, and Moscow is not responsible for it"   (businessinsider.com ) divider line
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2014-08-28 12:20:10 PM  
 
2014-08-28 01:21:49 PM  
Can't vacationing military be court martialled for their actions?
 
2014-08-28 01:21:54 PM  
Well, they let the "separatists" get chewed up first.
At least they are economical, with there own lives.
 
2014-08-28 01:22:54 PM  
Holy shiat, so this is exactly how the Russian government says that they are Russian, but deny any involvement to get around soldiers fighting in unmarked uniforms...I knew they gave no farks anymore.
 
2014-08-28 01:22:57 PM  

So, can we skip the bullshiat now and just blow the Russian troops off the map?

 
2014-08-28 01:24:06 PM  

FormlessOne: So, can we skip the bullshiat now and just blow the Russian troops off the map?


Depends. Do you want to welcome Ukraine into NATO?
 
2014-08-28 01:24:08 PM  
Submitted this, relevant:
Tank variants only used by Russian army spotted in Ukraine fighting for "rebels."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080

Hundreds of Russian paratroopers are being buried or hospitalized which has NOTHING to do with Ukraine, they swear.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28949582
 
2014-08-28 01:24:33 PM  
the tanks are on vacation too
 
2014-08-28 01:26:08 PM  

bromah: the tanks are on vacation too


I mean, if you are leaving base to go on vacation, it is efficient to just take the tank. You have no need for a car.
 
2014-08-28 01:27:38 PM  
and no one is going to do anything to stop them.
 
2014-08-28 01:29:44 PM  
Does russia really want to put the thought out there that "hey, we have no control over our own army?" while at the same time they are trying to pretend to the world they are a superpower still?

hint: powerful nations dont have armies that go on missions without being told to.
 
2014-08-28 01:30:18 PM  
Oh cool ... and Russia let's them take their armored vehicles out for a spin during their leisure time.  Seems legit.
culturallydisoriented.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-28 01:31:35 PM  
Oh my!

"Current servicemen are also fighting in our ranks, as they came to us to struggle for our freedom instead of their vacations," prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Zakharchenko told Russian media. "This is characteristic only for Russians."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-president-russian-troops-are - advancing-in-ukraine-2014-8#ixzz3BhzxyVAs

They really did actually say that, with a straight face I have to assume.
Does this not now warrant international assistance for Ukraine? I'm certain that there are some German, Polish and Chezch troops on vacation as well that have equally strong view, at least...
 
2014-08-28 01:31:41 PM  
A world with fewer Russians is a happier world.
 
2014-08-28 01:31:45 PM  

LemSkroob: Does russia really want to put the thought out there that "hey, we have no control over our own army?" while at the same time they are trying to pretend to the world they are a superpower still?

hint: powerful nations dont have armies that go on missions without being told to.


At the same time, that is almost a plausible argument with Russia. It is a strange mix of authoritarianism and anarchy.
 
2014-08-28 01:31:53 PM  
Ok then, kill them all as terrorists. No trial, no investigation, no capture, just mow them down as you see them.
 
2014-08-28 01:32:39 PM  
I have been following some discussion/photos on another forum, which has people from Ukraine and Russia posting.

That conflict is still ugly.     UA doesn't have much of a military.   What they do have is more akin to our National Guard of the 60's and 70's.     They are up against seps who are amazingly good with heavy artillery (?)

I think Russia has a pretty good chance of taking whatever territory they want from Eastern Ukraine.

There is no one interested in helping Ukraine.
 
2014-08-28 01:33:40 PM  
Where's the Russwhore  to explain things for us in a way that we will understand and support Putin?
 
2014-08-28 01:34:26 PM  
What is the Russians motivation here and what is their desired end game?  Is it just regional dominance, a land grab, and power?  Does the region have anything of strategic or tactical significance?
 
2014-08-28 01:35:05 PM  

SlothB77: and no one is going to do anything to stop them.


Exactly. Economic sanctions my ass
 
2014-08-28 01:35:41 PM  

Percise1: Oh my!

"Current servicemen are also fighting in our ranks, as they came to us to struggle for our freedom instead of their vacations," prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Zakharchenko told Russian media. "This is characteristic only for Russians."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-president-russian-troops-are - advancing-in-ukraine-2014-8#ixzz3BhzxyVAs

They really did actually say that, with a straight face I have to assume.
Does this not now warrant international assistance for Ukraine? I'm certain that there are some German, Polish and Chezch troops on vacation as well that have equally strong view, at least...


Don't most countries find current servicemen taking up arms in their spare time treasonous or at least against orders? I don't think the army likes their men fighting for whoever they choose. So my main question is who is Russia trying to convince with this shiat? Who would buy it other than the (increasingly gullible) Russian public?
 
2014-08-28 01:36:25 PM  
FTA: "Current servicemen are also fighting in our ranks, as they came to us to struggle for our freedom instead of their vacations," prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Zakharchenko told Russian media. "This is characteristic only for Russians."

I think China uses the same travel agent.

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-28 01:37:13 PM  

Chalji: FormlessOne: So, can we skip the bullshiat now and just blow the Russian troops off the map?

Depends. Do you want to welcome Ukraine into NATO?


Um... yes? Why would that be part of the discussion, honestly? Regardless of Ukraine's association with NATO, the fake civil war has just turned into a real invasion, with Russia deciding that it, not Ukraine, should control Ukraine's future. Their shill was booted out of office, and their fake civil war failed, so they're now escalating it.

Time to spank Putin.
 
2014-08-28 01:38:48 PM  

netcentric: I have been following some discussion/photos on another forum, which has people from Ukraine and Russia posting.

That conflict is still ugly.     UA doesn't have much of a military.   What they do have is more akin to our National Guard of the 60's and 70's.     They are up against seps who are amazingly good with heavy artillery (?)

I think Russia has a pretty good chance of taking whatever territory they want from Eastern Ukraine.

There is no one interested in helping Ukraine.


which forum (please tell me it's not militaryphotos.net)?
 
2014-08-28 01:39:36 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Where's the Russwhore  to explain things for us in a way that we will understand and support Putin?


John Mearsheimer has a Fark account?
 
2014-08-28 01:39:37 PM  

netcentric: I have been following some discussion/photos on another forum, which has people from Ukraine and Russia posting.

That conflict is still ugly.     UA doesn't have much of a military.   What they do have is more akin to our National Guard of the 60's and 70's.     They are up against seps who are amazingly good with heavy artillery (?)

I think Russia has a pretty good chance of taking whatever territory they want from Eastern Ukraine.

There is no one interested in helping Ukraine.


That's the hope - that NATO will refuse to help Ukraine, and thus Putin gets to increase his perceived standing among his fellow nationalists, even as he "reintegrates" another part of the former Soviet Union to "rebuild the glory of Russia" or some such crap. Security Council's already meeting about Russia's invasion, and I suspect that NATO's about to pound Russia's western forces into the friggin' Stone Age in short order.
 
2014-08-28 01:40:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-28 01:40:39 PM  

FormlessOne: So, can we skip the bullshiat now and just blow the Russian troops off the map?


Who are we?

Unless you're from Ukraine, shut up.
 
2014-08-28 01:40:55 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Where's the Russwhore  to explain things for us in a way that we will understand and support Putin?


It seems that the argument that Crimea (and parts of Eastern Europe) should be Russian because it is the local will gets more and more shaky everyday.
 
2014-08-28 01:41:32 PM  

jchuffyman: ReverendJynxed: Where's the Russwhore  to explain things for us in a way that we will understand and support Putin?

It seems that the argument that Crimea (and parts of Eastern Europe Ukraine) should be Russian because it is the local will gets more and more shaky everyday.

 
2014-08-28 01:43:02 PM  
I know the general thought is that not much can be done about this, but WTF?

Half of Europe is too economically intertwined with Russia to do anything, and the other half is too scared/too unwilling to do anything.

Sounds like Pooty Poot knows the West will do nothing, so I wonder what he will do next?
 
2014-08-28 01:43:17 PM  
s3-ec.buzzfed.com

/so the angry little putinbots can rub one out
 
2014-08-28 01:44:15 PM  

spawn73: FormlessOne: So, can we skip the bullshiat now and just blow the Russian troops off the map?

Who are we?

Unless you're from Ukraine, shut up.


Aren't you precious? Shush
 
2014-08-28 01:44:52 PM  

Gunny Highway: What is the Russians motivation here and what is their desired end game?  Is it just regional dominance, a land grab, and power?  Does the region have anything of strategic or tactical significance?


Oil

And a land bridge to Crimea
 
2014-08-28 01:45:04 PM  

Gunny Highway: What is the Russians motivation here and what is their desired end game?  Is it just regional dominance, a land grab, and power?  Does the region have anything of strategic or tactical significance?


Ukraine was originally part of Russia. Lenin gave the land up to get out of WWI.
 
2014-08-28 01:45:43 PM  

Truther: I know the general thought is that not much can be done about this, but WTF?

Half of Europe is too economically intertwined with Russia to do anything, and the other half is too scared/too unwilling to do anything.

Sounds like Pooty Poot knows the West will do nothing, so I wonder what he will do next?


I guess the real question is what would prompt real Western intervention. I assume Putin thinks that outright declaring that Russia has troops in Ukraine would be over the line, which is why they are doing all this sneaking around shiat. But I don't know how much longer they can stream people and equipment across the border without doing that.
 
2014-08-28 01:45:46 PM  

Truther: I know the general thought is that not much can be done about this, but WTF?

Half of Europe is too economically intertwined with Russia to do anything, and the other half is too scared/too unwilling to do anything.

Sounds like Pooty Poot knows the West will do nothing, so I wonder what he will do next?


Well, he's not going to bang you, if that's why you're white-knighting Putin, I can tell you that much.
 
2014-08-28 01:46:13 PM  
This is all just Western agitating agitprop propaganda.  The truth is, that they are all just enjoying a little shirtless vacation in the beautiful Eastern Ukraine.  It's as beautiful as the vacations you take to Cleveland and the climate and scenery are similar as well.
 
2014-08-28 01:46:19 PM  

FormlessOne: and I suspect that NATO's about to pound Russia's western forces into the friggin' Stone Age in short order.


I really dont see this happening.
 
2014-08-28 01:47:31 PM  
www.americarisingpac.org

Back to the cold war....good job.
 
2014-08-28 01:47:35 PM  

ferretman: Gunny Highway: What is the Russians motivation here and what is their desired end game?  Is it just regional dominance, a land grab, and power?  Does the region have anything of strategic or tactical significance?

Ukraine was originally part of Russia. Lenin gave the land up to get out of WWI.


If Russian wants to play the historical land game, then they should restore the original capital of the Russian people. So, from now on, the capital of Russia is Kiev.
 
2014-08-28 01:47:35 PM  

gfid: Gunny Highway: What is the Russians motivation here and what is their desired end game?  Is it just regional dominance, a land grab, and power?  Does the region have anything of strategic or tactical significance?

Oil

And a land bridge to Crimea


This, combined with the nationalism driven by reassembling the old Soviet Union, although I'm betting the nationalism is what's used to justify this, instead of driving this. Crimea access, control of the Ukraine portion of the pipeline & distribution? Yeah, that's plenty of incentive to a country whose economy needs a serious boost.
 
2014-08-28 01:48:10 PM  

FormlessOne: Truther: I know the general thought is that not much can be done about this, but WTF?

Half of Europe is too economically intertwined with Russia to do anything, and the other half is too scared/too unwilling to do anything.

Sounds like Pooty Poot knows the West will do nothing, so I wonder what he will do next?

Well, he's not going to bang you, if that's why you're white-knighting Putin, I can tell you that much.


Wat?

I think Putin is a douchebag.  I'd love to see somebody stand up to him.

/However, I would like to "whiteknight" your Mom if you know what I mean
 
2014-08-28 01:48:46 PM  

Truther: FormlessOne: and I suspect that NATO's about to pound Russia's western forces into the friggin' Stone Age in short order.

I really dont see this happening.


Realistically, I don't see that happening either, but it is fun to contemplate. More likely, EU economic sanctions, including cutting off the pipeline that's justifying all of this action, would be employed. Europe takes a financial hit, but Russia suffers far more as a result.
 
2014-08-28 01:49:03 PM  

jchuffyman: Percise1: Oh my!

"Current servicemen are also fighting in our ranks, as they came to us to struggle for our freedom instead of their vacations," prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Zakharchenko told Russian media. "This is characteristic only for Russians."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-president-russian-troops-are - advancing-in-ukraine-2014-8#ixzz3BhzxyVAs

They really did actually say that, with a straight face I have to assume.
Does this not now warrant international assistance for Ukraine? I'm certain that there are some German, Polish and Chezch troops on vacation as well that have equally strong view, at least...

Don't most countries find current servicemen taking up arms in their spare time treasonous or at least against orders? I don't think the army likes their men fighting for whoever they choose. So my main question is who is Russia trying to convince with this shiat? Who would buy it other than the (increasingly gullible) Russian public?


I really hope that was rhetorical, because there is no answer other than 'no one'. It does take huge balls to lie like that though...

The comment about the Russian troops on vacation=terrorists is a very good point. I really do hope that Ukraine gets some assistance now, this is not a precedent that should be allowed in 'modern' times. We should drag Putin kicking and screaming into the century of the fruit bat...
 
2014-08-28 01:49:27 PM  

Truther: FormlessOne: Truther: I know the general thought is that not much can be done about this, but WTF?

Half of Europe is too economically intertwined with Russia to do anything, and the other half is too scared/too unwilling to do anything.

Sounds like Pooty Poot knows the West will do nothing, so I wonder what he will do next?

Well, he's not going to bang you, if that's why you're white-knighting Putin, I can tell you that much.

Wat?

I think Putin is a douchebag.  I'd love to see somebody stand up to him.

/However, I would like to "whiteknight" your Mom if you know what I mean


My mom would probably appreciate the attention, honestly.
 
2014-08-28 01:49:30 PM  
i think the un security council is due to meet in 15 minutes

here's a feed for a schedule pre-meeting press briefing

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-media-stakeouts- uk raine-and-implementation-of-the-note-by-the-president-of-the-security- council/2179486580001
 
2014-08-28 01:50:53 PM  

Percise1: jchuffyman: Percise1: Oh my!

"Current servicemen are also fighting in our ranks, as they came to us to struggle for our freedom instead of their vacations," prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Zakharchenko told Russian media. "This is characteristic only for Russians."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-president-russian-troops-are - advancing-in-ukraine-2014-8#ixzz3BhzxyVAs

They really did actually say that, with a straight face I have to assume.
Does this not now warrant international assistance for Ukraine? I'm certain that there are some German, Polish and Chezch troops on vacation as well that have equally strong view, at least...

Don't most countries find current servicemen taking up arms in their spare time treasonous or at least against orders? I don't think the army likes their men fighting for whoever they choose. So my main question is who is Russia trying to convince with this shiat? Who would buy it other than the (increasingly gullible) Russian public?

I really hope that was rhetorical, because there is no answer other than 'no one'. It does take huge balls to lie like that though...

The comment about the Russian troops on vacation=terrorists is a very good point. I really do hope that Ukraine gets some assistance now, this is not a precedent that should be allowed in 'modern' times. We should drag Putin kicking and screaming into the century of the fruit bat...


I wish I could say they were rhetorical, but I am starting to wonder. The Russian public seems to be buying into so completely, maybe they believe that other people can believe it as well. But, I hope the answer is no one.
 
2014-08-28 01:51:50 PM  

FormlessOne: netcentric: I have been following some discussion/photos on another forum, which has people from Ukraine and Russia posting.

That conflict is still ugly.     UA doesn't have much of a military.   What they do have is more akin to our National Guard of the 60's and 70's.     They are up against seps who are amazingly good with heavy artillery (?)

I think Russia has a pretty good chance of taking whatever territory they want from Eastern Ukraine.

There is no one interested in helping Ukraine.

That's the hope - that NATO will refuse to help Ukraine, and thus Putin gets to increase his perceived standing among his fellow nationalists, even as he "reintegrates" another part of the former Soviet Union to "rebuild the glory of Russia" or some such crap. Security Council's already meeting about Russia's invasion, and I suspect that NATO's about to pound Russia's western forces into the friggin' Stone Age in short order.


Well we will just disagree about NATO bombing Russia.... "in short order".


I'll check back with you in a few weeks and we'll see how that campaign is going.
 
2014-08-28 01:52:44 PM  

21-7-b: i think the un security council is due to meet in 15 minutes

here's a feed for a schedule pre-meeting press briefing

http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-media-stakeouts- uk raine-and-implementation-of-the-note-by-the-president-of-the-security- council/2179486580001


I know this has been said a million times before and there have been a million arguments for and against, but I wish there was a way to kick the permanent members out of the security council. They can't do shiat with Russia there.
 
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