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2014-08-28 08:41:48 AM  
So Superman is now vulnerable to kryptonite, magic, and gimmicks.
 
2014-08-28 09:59:08 AM  
Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2014-08-28 10:22:47 AM  

James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


You think any of these people became lifelong donors? That this charity is now close to their hearts? Or next year, they'll wonder why they dumped water over their head, say "lol, bro" and do whatever is the cool thing at that time? That's just the way our culture works, and ALS will be facing the same budget issues next year that they were prior to this fad, which is all it is.
 
2014-08-28 10:30:57 AM  

James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


If you were responding to me I was just being snarky.  I think it's a fine idea.  Clearly it's effective.
 
2014-08-28 10:39:54 AM  

serpent_sky: James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You think any of these people became lifelong donors? That this charity is now close to their hearts? Or next year, they'll wonder why they dumped water over their head, say "lol, bro" and do whatever is the cool thing at that time? That's just the way our culture works, and ALS will be facing the same budget issues next year that they were prior to this fad, which is all it is.


Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

People getting pissy about "Nyeh, videos are annoying" are completely missing the point.
 
2014-08-28 10:40:21 AM  

Diogenes: James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If you were responding to me I was just being snarky.  I think it's a fine idea.  Clearly it's effective.


Nah, submitter. Your comment was funny.
 
2014-08-28 10:51:54 AM  

James!: Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.


I certainly hope they are smart enough to do just that - invest this money as opposed to acting as if this is the new norm. I'm sure they have people who are well aware of the realities of it and just how much publicity it has received.

Which is sort of where the "eh videos are annoying" people are coming from - it's being treated like every other trend/fad and people are ready for the next thing. That's the problem with a charitable cause getting sort of lumped in with every other random Internet thing that people have done over the recent months/years. I don't know... it's good that charities are getting money, but the videos never did it for me, personally, any more than any others. That said, a friend "challenged" me to write a 3-paragraph piece on the Machiavellian nature of Facebook in relation to the ice bucket challenge when he did his video (someone who knows me... he knew I'd do that and never do the other because it's not my nature).  I think he was pretty dead on in that assessment, though.
 
2014-08-28 11:12:41 AM  

serpent_sky: James!: Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

I certainly hope they are smart enough to do just that - invest this money as opposed to acting as if this is the new norm. I'm sure they have people who are well aware of the realities of it and just how much publicity it has received.

Which is sort of where the "eh videos are annoying" people are coming from - it's being treated like every other trend/fad and people are ready for the next thing. That's the problem with a charitable cause getting sort of lumped in with every other random Internet thing that people have done over the recent months/years. I don't know... it's good that charities are getting money, but the videos never did it for me, personally, any more than any others. That said, a friend "challenged" me to write a 3-paragraph piece on the Machiavellian nature of Facebook in relation to the ice bucket challenge when he did his video (someone who knows me... he knew I'd do that and never do the other because it's not my nature).  I think he was pretty dead on in that assessment, though.


I have watched zero ice bucket videos.  But I believe in a magic called "Just don't click it".
 
2014-08-28 11:17:57 AM  

James!: I have watched zero ice bucket videos. But I believe in a magic called "Just don't click it".


I haven't watched them, either. Not my thing.  But that doesn't mean I haven't seen it being covered on the news, or 10,000 people on my FB feed either commenting on people's, or posting their own. Even if I don't click it, I'm aware of it.  Not particularly aware of the charity or what ALS even is, but aware that people are doing the videos.  I manage to miss a LOT of pop culture intentionally and even I am feeling like this has more than reached oversaturation - imagine people who were actively watching and making the videos.  There are what? 3 Fark threads about it on the main page right now? People tire quickly of things like this, no matter how novel they were even a couple of weeks ago. That's all.
 
2014-08-28 11:22:24 AM  
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2014-08-28 11:24:18 AM  
I've watched 1 "challenge" outside of those they insist on showing on the news when I just want to see the farking weather for the day. That was the little 3 year old kid who dropped the F Bomb. I need watch NO other videos after that piece of awesome.
 
2014-08-28 11:27:12 AM  

serpent_sky: James!: I have watched zero ice bucket videos. But I believe in a magic called "Just don't click it".

I haven't watched them, either. Not my thing.  But that doesn't mean I haven't seen it being covered on the news, or 10,000 people on my FB feed either commenting on people's, or posting their own. Even if I don't click it, I'm aware of it.  Not particularly aware of the charity or what ALS even is, but aware that people are doing the videos.  I manage to miss a LOT of pop culture intentionally and even I am feeling like this has more than reached oversaturation - imagine people who were actively watching and making the videos.  There are what? 3 Fark threads about it on the main page right now? People tire quickly of things like this, no matter how novel they were even a couple of weeks ago. That's all.


Amyotrophic  lateral  sclerosis (ALS), often referred to as "Lou Gehrig's Disease," is a progressive neurodegenerative disease that affects nerve cells in the brain and the spinal cord. Motor neurons reach from the brain to the spinal cord and from the spinal cord to the muscles throughout the body. The progressive degeneration of the motor neurons in ALS eventually leads to their death. When the motor neurons die, the ability of the brain to initiate and control muscle movement is lost. With voluntary muscle action progressively affected, patients in the later stages of the disease may become totally paralyzed.

And now you know.
 
2014-08-28 11:27:49 AM  
i will start a campaign of doing something like the ice bucket challenge to raise awareness in not succumbing to peer pressure
 
2014-08-28 11:38:04 AM  
The participant is expected to donate $10 if they have poured the ice water over their head or donate $100 if they have not.

So what this tells me is that for everybody that dumps a bucket over their head, ALS only gets 10% of what they *could* have received.

So far, it seems only Patrick Stewart understands this...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADT_iBYqsk

Charlie Sheen added a respectable twist -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qat9gR5nrpM

Whatever raises awareness, I guess...
 
2014-08-28 11:40:08 AM  

LZeitgeist: The participant is expected to donate $10 if they have poured the ice water over their head or donate $100 if they have not.

So what this tells me is that for everybody that dumps a bucket over their head, ALS only gets 10% of what they *could* have received.

So far, it seems only Patrick Stewart understands this...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADT_iBYqsk

Charlie Sheen added a respectable twist -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qat9gR5nrpM

Whatever raises awareness, I guess...


There are people who are donating the full $100 and doing the ice water bit, too.  You understand it's not a rule, right?
 
2014-08-28 11:40:14 AM  
They should have had him and Affleck.  Probably be more entertaining than the movie.
 
2014-08-28 11:43:03 AM  

LZeitgeist: The participant is expected to donate $10 if they have poured the ice water over their head or donate $100 if they have not.

So what this tells me is that for everybody that dumps a bucket over their head, ALS only gets 10% of what they *could* have received.


Or they got $10 more than the $0 they would have otherwise, and it gives people who don't have $100 a reason to donate.
That part I get.  Ever dump all your spare change in a jar for a few months?  The $.27 seems like nothing at the time, and then six months later, you have $300 in change and just paid a couple of bills.  Hence, the logic in encouraging a lot of smaller donations versus only encouraging larger donations.

Patrick Stewart and Charlie Sheen can afford to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars, given their net worth.  Average Joe maybe can't spare $100, but $10 is possible.
 
2014-08-28 11:43:36 AM  
Should have Steven Hawking do the ice bucket challenge.  Now, that would be meta.

/it'd probably frikkin kill him, though
//so, on second thought...
 
2014-08-28 11:44:14 AM  
The only things more obnoxious than ice bucket challenge videos are the people that make videos badmouthing ice bucket videos.  While I can understand being irritated with people that forget the donation portion of this fad, I just don't see where there's cause for anger.

Yeah, we know, you care more about the cause than everyone else.  We're all shamed for jumping on the bandwagon and enjoying ourselves in support of a good cause.  Now everyone gets to feel bad...

/turds in the punch bowl
 
2014-08-28 11:45:54 AM  
Gonna be a whole lotta jackin' it in San Diego soon
 
2014-08-28 11:47:04 AM  

serpent_sky: what ALS even is


Lou Gherig's disease.  It's what Steven Hawking has and, by some strange miracle, managed to survive for so long.

ALS sucks donkey balls.  Not sure which is worse--it or cancer.  At least, there's a chance to put cancer into remission.
 
2014-08-28 11:57:21 AM  

serpent_sky: LZeitgeist: The participant is expected to donate $10 if they have poured the ice water over their head or donate $100 if they have not.

So what this tells me is that for everybody that dumps a bucket over their head, ALS only gets 10% of what they *could* have received.

Or they got $10 more than the $0 they would have otherwise, and it gives people who don't have $100 a reason to donate.
That part I get.  Ever dump all your spare change in a jar for a few months?  The $.27 seems like nothing at the time, and then six months later, you have $300 in change and just paid a couple of bills.  Hence, the logic in encouraging a lot of smaller donations versus only encouraging larger donations.

Patrick Stewart and Charlie Sheen can afford to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars, given their net worth.  Average Joe maybe can't spare $100, but $10 is possible.


And a lot of the rules have changed to the point where they don't even have to donate the full $100, just whatever they can spare. No ice bucket, just pass it on.
 
2014-08-28 11:57:55 AM  

serpent_sky: James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You think any of these people became lifelong donors? That this charity is now close to their hearts? Or next year, they'll wonder why they dumped water over their head, say "lol, bro" and do whatever is the cool thing at that time? That's just the way our culture works, and ALS will be facing the same budget issues next year that they were prior to this fad, which is all it is.


So f*cking what? It raised more money than otherwise would have been raised.

So again...so f*cking what?
 
2014-08-28 12:03:22 PM  

LZeitgeist: The participant is expected to donate $10 if they have poured the ice water over their head or donate $100 if they have not.

So what this tells me is that for everybody that dumps a bucket over their head, ALS only gets 10% of what they *could* have received.

So far, it seems only Patrick Stewart understands this...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADT_iBYqsk

Charlie Sheen added a respectable twist -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qat9gR5nrpM

Whatever raises awareness, I guess...


The benefit of the challenge is afterwards, when specific people get challenged to participate. The viral effect is what is causing more donations than if the two people who were first challenged had given $100 and stopped the flood of videos.
 
2014-08-28 12:04:10 PM  

0100010: While I can understand being irritated with people that forget the donation portion of this fad, I just don't see where there's cause for anger.


The point of the challenge is to donate money OR do the ice bucket and challenge more people...the latter of which spreads the message and increases the odds of catching more donations. In an alternate version, people are expected to donate $10 regardless, but that would have hurt the viral nature of it and likely would have resulted in less fundraising. So even the people who just spread the challenge without donating are in fact helping in some small manner.

I truly think a lot of the hate is just typical hipster douchebaggery. "If it's popular, it's bad."
 
2014-08-28 12:09:21 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I truly think a lot of the hate is just typical hipster douchebaggery. "If it's popular, it's bad."


Or people ready for the next popular thing to start up.

Our national attention span is ever-decreasing. People who never thought this was a particularly interesting or funny challenge say "eh, enough about it already." People who were into it say "well, I have now seen even animated characters and animals do it, so what's next?"

I honestly don't really have an opinion beyond "hey, money raised for charity is good, even if I think dumping water on your head is stupid." And I realize stupid sells in America which is why this was so successful, so good for them.
 
2014-08-28 12:20:49 PM  
Can't we just dump a swimming pool's worth of ice water on the Academy Awards and be done with it?
 
2014-08-28 12:27:25 PM  

xanadian: Should have Steven Hawking do the ice bucket challenge.  Now, that would be meta.

/it'd probably frikkin kill him, though
//so, on second thought...


Stephen Hawking's Ice Bucket Challenge
 
2014-08-28 12:35:00 PM  

texdent: xanadian: Should have Steven Hawking do the ice bucket challenge.  Now, that would be meta.

/it'd probably frikkin kill him, though
//so, on second thought...

Stephen Hawking's Ice Bucket Challenge


Ok then.  Nice to know I'm behind the times.
 
2014-08-28 12:37:46 PM  
media.portable.tv

I have nothing more to add.
 
2014-08-28 12:41:47 PM  
People who say anything against the ice bucket challenge are the most bizarre and broken people I've come across on the internet.

There is no downside to this brilliant thing. Who cares if it's a fad. Just because something good will fade away eventually doesn't mean it was never good to begin with. Who cares if the participants are attention whores. Spreading awareness is just as valuable as the money.

Once again. There is no downside.
 
2014-08-28 12:42:16 PM  
Superman and Lois Lane take the ALS Ice Bucket Ch -- look, could we just put a shark in the bucket and have Henry Winkler jump over it on waterskis, please?

Nah, Henry Winkler wearing waterskis already showed up over twenty years ago in the Death of Superman.
 
2014-08-28 12:45:41 PM  
Ok, I finally watched a couple of these things. What is the reason most of them replay? Was showing it once not enough?
 
2014-08-28 12:45:50 PM  

serpent_sky: James!: Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

I certainly hope they are smart enough to do just that - invest this money as opposed to acting as if this is the new norm. I'm sure they have people who are well aware of the realities of it and just how much publicity it has received.

Which is sort of where the "eh videos are annoying" people are coming from - it's being treated like every other trend/fad and people are ready for the next thing. That's the problem with a charitable cause getting sort of lumped in with every other random Internet thing that people have done over the recent months/years. I don't know... it's good that charities are getting money, but the videos never did it for me, personally, any more than any others. That said, a friend "challenged" me to write a 3-paragraph piece on the Machiavellian nature of Facebook in relation to the ice bucket challenge when he did his video (someone who knows me... he knew I'd do that and never do the other because it's not my nature).  I think he was pretty dead on in that assessment, though.


Please post said article on Facebook's Machiavellian ways.

I am interested in your analysis, and potentially your newsletter...
 
2014-08-28 12:53:05 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Ok, I finally watched a couple of these things. What is the reason most of them replay? Was showing it once not enough?


I've watched a few in hopes of a 'wet t-shirt contest' sort of results. So far I've been disappointed.
 
2014-08-28 12:56:02 PM  
 
2014-08-28 12:59:43 PM  

Decillion: Spreading awareness is just as valuable as the money.


No. It farking isn't. That might be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Care to tell us all how many people get cured of a disease only by others being aware that the disease exists? No treatments, no serums, no drugs, no hospitals, brain scans, blood work, etc. Those all cost money. Those things also save lives. And since according to you, "awareness" is just as valuable as the money, awareness on it's own must have done just as much right?
 
2014-08-28 01:08:10 PM  
Did we finally have an ice bucket thread without someone going "I still don't know what this ice bucket challenge thing is all about"?

Because if so, that is amazing.
 
2014-08-28 01:12:43 PM  

Diogenes: So Superman is now vulnerable to kryptonite, magic, and gimmicks.


He's always been vulnerable to gimmicks, like the time he fell for Muhammad Ali's Rope-a-dope
 
2014-08-28 01:13:49 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ThatBillmanGuy: Ok, I finally watched a couple of these things. What is the reason most of them replay? Was showing it once not enough?

I've watched a few in hopes of a 'wet t-shirt contest' sort of results. So far I've been disappointed.


Try gis for "rice bucket challenge" and "wet sari"
 
2014-08-28 01:16:26 PM  

serpent_sky: James!: Waaaah, publicity for charities annoys me! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You think any of these people became lifelong donors? That this charity is now close to their hearts? Or next year, they'll wonder why they dumped water over their head, say "lol, bro" and do whatever is the cool thing at that time? That's just the way our culture works, and ALS will be facing the same budget issues next year that they were prior to this fad, which is all it is.


Who cares? This campaign has raised enough money this month that it would seem like they were all lifelong donors, as it is forty times the amount.

Last year July-August: $2.6 million
This year July-August: $88.5 million

Anyone actually griping about this is an asshole.
 
2014-08-28 01:16:39 PM  

taurusowner: Decillion: Spreading awareness is just as valuable as the money.

No. It farking isn't. That might be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Care to tell us all how many people get cured of a disease only by others being aware that the disease exists? No treatments, no serums, no drugs, no hospitals, brain scans, blood work, etc. Those all cost money. Those things also save lives. And since according to you, "awareness" is just as valuable as the money, awareness on it's own must have done just as much right?


Well, if we were talking about transmittable diseases he would be absolutely correct.

But I don't think he meant awareness alone. I think he meant that person A can give 100 bucks for a disease and tell no one, and the disease fighters are up 100 bucks.  Person B can give 10 bucks and convince 5 people to spread the word and give a little of their own, and far more than 100 bucks may come from person B's actions.
 
2014-08-28 01:18:59 PM  
James!:Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

Even more impressive when you realise your math is off and it is more like 40 freaking years.
 
2014-08-28 01:19:49 PM  

Decillion: People who say anything against the ice bucket challenge are the most bizarre and broken people I've come across on the internet.


So today is your first day online?


I think the ice bucket challenge is horribly stupid. Its just another way for attention whores to get some attention. If people actually cared about charity or als they would help on their own.
 
2014-08-28 01:23:39 PM  

taurusowner: Decillion: Spreading awareness is just as valuable as the money.

No. It farking isn't. That might be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Care to tell us all how many people get cured of a disease only by others being aware that the disease exists? No treatments, no serums, no drugs, no hospitals, brain scans, blood work, etc. Those all cost money. Those things also save lives. And since according to you, "awareness" is just as valuable as the money, awareness on it's own must have done just as much right?


Angry and misunderstanding simple concepts is no way to go through life. If people are aware of the charity they can then give money to the charity, spreading awareness increases the potential donor pool.

You've heard of advertising right? You may as well be shouting about how a TV commercial never bought a vacuum cleaner.
 
2014-08-28 01:24:34 PM  

Dragonflew: James!:Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

Even more impressive when you realise your math is off and it is more like 40 freaking years.


Ah, I see you were comparing what they have raised this month to what they normally raise in a much longer span as opposed to the same span in the previous year, sorry about that.
 
2014-08-28 01:25:18 PM  

Dragonflew: James!:Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

Even more impressive when you realise your math is off and it is more like 40 freaking years.


According to their financials for FY13 they raised 26 million.
 
2014-08-28 01:26:11 PM  

Dragonflew: Dragonflew: James!:Actually, if they're smart they'd invest some of this GIGANTIC WINDFALL in long term projects that will benefit them over the long haul. Last I checked they'd raised over $80 million which is almost 4 years of their normal fundraising. 4 freaking years. If they can turn 10% of that into repeat donors next year, that's still an additional 8 million which is still substantial.

Even more impressive when you realise your math is off and it is more like 40 freaking years.

Ah, I see you were comparing what they have raised this month to what they normally raise in a much longer span as opposed to the same span in the previous year, sorry about that.


You got it.
 
2014-08-28 01:27:09 PM  

420Gabriel: Decillion: People who say anything against the ice bucket challenge are the most bizarre and broken people I've come across on the internet.

So today is your first day online?


I think the ice bucket challenge is horribly stupid. Its just another way for attention whores to get some attention. If people actually cared about charity or als they would help on their own.


I find most of the attention whoring comes from people who click every ALS thread to moan that they are personally mildly annoyed by something that has raised 80 million dollars that would not have been raised otherwise. If it annoys you, you should not feel so obligated to click the thread to have it annoy you more, then bray to everyone how stupid you think it is.
 
2014-08-28 01:27:19 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [media.portable.tv image 850x546]

I have nothing more to add.


Okay, now dump water over her when she's dressed like that.
 
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