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(Slate)   NRA sends thoughts and prayers to family of shooting instructor accidentally killed by kid on Monday. Just kidding, they actually promoted an article with seven ways kids can have fun at a shooting range   (slate.com) divider line 855
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2014-08-27 10:31:00 PM  
Unlike "Slates" ambulance chasing bullshait, the NRA takes anywhere from a 60 to 120 day lead time to publish an article.

This proves that "Slate" can't do basic math.  Here's how it breaks down

September, October, SUPRISE! November

Hunting seasons usually in SUPRISE!  October, November and December
********************************************************************* * ********************************************************************

Now lets look at "Slates" timeline

Bullshiat happens, Chinese firedrill, story lead sucks editurd, resulting in article that's half baked and not thought out- except to promote political bias.
 
2014-08-27 10:42:53 PM  
Trailltrader: *a metric ton of whackadoodle*

Are you high? It's Twitter - you can't have a two day turnaround, much less a two month one.
 
2014-08-27 10:58:08 PM  

Trailltrader: Unlike "Slates" ambulance chasing bullshait, the NRA takes anywhere from a 60 to 120 day lead time to publish an article.

This proves that "Slate" can't do basic math.  Here's how it breaks down

September, October, SUPRISE! November

Hunting seasons usually in SUPRISE!  October, November and December
********************************************************************* * ********************************************************************

Now lets look at "Slates" timeline

Bullshiat happens, Chinese firedrill, story lead sucks editurd, resulting in article that's half baked and not thought out- except to promote political bias.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-27 11:32:59 PM  
To be fair, the article was written 7 days ago. But they could have easily pulled it, and of course tweeting it after the incident is just plain farked up.
 
2014-08-27 11:59:00 PM  
I feel so sorry for that little girl.  She did nothing wrong but she's still going to be traumatized by this.  There is no reason whatsoever to put such a powerful weapon in the hands of a kid.  I'm no gun expert, but it was pretty obvious from her initial stance that she had no clue how powerful that gun was.
 
2014-08-28 12:00:31 AM  
NRA: Not Rational Anymore
 
2014-08-28 12:06:11 AM  
Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

deal with it, gun nuts
 
2014-08-28 12:07:34 AM  
i1.cpcache.com

While I realize Darwin's the main debate winner here, I can't imagine the therapy that little girl is going to need.

/Started with .22 at 12.
 
2014-08-28 12:07:49 AM  
Trailltrader:

Also--shut up.
 
2014-08-28 12:14:05 AM  

whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse


Wanna play Call of Duty?
 
2014-08-28 12:15:52 AM  

Triumph: whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

Wanna play Call of Duty?


What does that have to do with teaching children how to shoot weapons=child abuse?

I know you think it's relevant.

I don't.
 
2014-08-28 12:24:01 AM  

whidbey: Triumph: whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

Wanna play Call of Duty?

What does that have to do with teaching children how to shoot weapons=child abuse?

I know you think it's relevant.

I don't.


Call of Duty teaches children that guns are a game. Plunking cans with a .22 at a gun range in Boy Scouts gives you a healthy dose of respect for the actual lethality of the weapon.
 
2014-08-28 12:25:28 AM  

Triumph: whidbey: Triumph: whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

Wanna play Call of Duty?

What does that have to do with teaching children how to shoot weapons=child abuse?

I know you think it's relevant.

I don't.

Call of Duty teaches children that guns are a game. Plunking cans with a .22 at a gun range in Boy Scouts gives you a healthy dose of respect for the actual lethality of the weapon.


Or more likely it just indoctrinates children into gun culture

nice try, bud
 
2014-08-28 12:26:58 AM  
Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.
 
2014-08-28 12:43:40 AM  

Trailltrader: Unlike "Slates" ambulance chasing bullshait, the NRA takes anywhere from a 60 to 120 day lead time to publish an article.

This proves that "Slate" can't do basic math.  Here's how it breaks down

September, October, SUPRISE! November

Hunting seasons usually in SUPRISE!  October, November and December
********************************************************************* * ********************************************************************

Now lets look at "Slates" timeline

Bullshiat happens, Chinese firedrill, story lead sucks editurd, resulting in article that's half baked and not thought out- except to promote political bias.


libertarians are people who want to live in a society based on sharing, but don't want to share. in other words, assholes.
 
2014-08-28 12:48:11 AM  

whidbey: Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.


Consequences Shmonsequences. I WANNA MAKE STUFF GO BANG!
 
2014-08-28 12:54:50 AM  

whidbey: Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.


We also live in reality, where shiat happens, and guns aren't going away.
 
2014-08-28 01:02:54 AM  
A horrifying as this entire story is (kid shooting and killing instructor with an Uzi), I am just thankful the kid didn't end up shooting herself.  I'm not saying the instructor deserved to die, but the kid has a far better chance of get over the instructor's death (with lots of therapy, mind you) than the instructor would have had getting over the kid's death.

At least now there's some chance that firing ranges will make better policies to prevent this from happening in the future.
 
2014-08-28 01:19:17 AM  
The story the NRA retweeted was published before the incident in question.

whidbey: Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.


I like it when you people kick and stomp your feet, and the truth accidentally comes out.  It's very rarely about safety or crime.  It's about consequences.  Gun owners need to be punished for their choices!  All of them!
 
2014-08-28 01:34:56 AM  

whidbey: Triumph: whidbey: Triumph: whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

Wanna play Call of Duty?

What does that have to do with teaching children how to shoot weapons=child abuse?

I know you think it's relevant.

I don't.

Call of Duty teaches children that guns are a game. Plunking cans with a .22 at a gun range in Boy Scouts gives you a healthy dose of respect for the actual lethality of the weapon.

Or more likely it just indoctrinates children into gun culture

nice try, bud


Do you mean a culture that respects that a gun is powerful and not a toy?
 
2014-08-28 02:14:05 AM  

whidbey: Or more likely it just indoctrinates children into gun culture


My son knows how to shoot and yet he still gives guns the eye when he sees one, because he has been properly taught to respect them, and further he knows what to do were he to come across one unattended.

That is the least abusive thing I can think of. Denying him knowledge of how to properly and safely deal with a potentially unsafe situation rather than turning a blind eye or handwaving it away as not his responsibility constitutes neglect.
 
2014-08-28 04:32:35 AM  
Aaaannd heres reason number 472 that Whidbey is a well-poisoning tool.

/liberal
//wants gun control
///doesnt think teaching a kid how to use and respect guns is child abuse
 
2014-08-28 04:33:24 AM  
*scans headline*


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2014-08-28 04:34:27 AM  
Instructor was an idiot.

Glad to see it worked itself out.
 
2014-08-28 04:36:37 AM  

Heliovdrake: Wait wait, I looked at your profile, you just a farking wack job.

[img.fark.net image 850x531]

So which kind are you?

[img.fark.net image 650x976]


I'd have to go with the "Gunner Joe" variety.
 
2014-08-28 04:36:40 AM  

Summercat: Aaaannd heres reason number 472 that Whidbey is a well-poisoning tool.


Oh, he's much much more than that.  Although, I think his once great legend has faded away into obscurity as of late.
 
2014-08-28 04:37:28 AM  

Fark It: The story the NRA retweeted was published before the incident in question.

whidbey: Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.

I like it when you people kick and stomp your feet, and the truth accidentally comes out.  It's very rarely about safety or crime.  It's about consequences.  Gun owners need to be punished for their choices!  All of them!


wait, where did he say punishment? he's talking about restrictions based on age for safety reasons.
 
2014-08-28 04:38:26 AM  
i1.wp.com
 
2014-08-28 04:46:29 AM  

gothelder: Instructor was an idiot.


Possibly, I saw a demonstration of how to teach someone to fire an Uzi like that and he positioned himself behind the shooter with one hand on his shoulder and the other holding the gun to help the person learning keep it from going up.

It probably would have also helped to only load 3 or 4 rounds the first time she fired in auto mode.

/not a gun expert
//I can already see the big push to set age limits on gun use.
///was 7 first time I fired a gun, but before I was even allowed to touch it I had to learn about gun safety
 
2014-08-28 04:48:15 AM  
I fired plenty of guns at the age of 9, Never an automatic, though. My father was military at the time, and I learned a great respect for guns and what they could do. From actual professionals.  From active special forces guys who used firearms in serious situations on the farking regular. Giving a 9 year old an Uzi is just plain stupid. Kids so young don't have the physical strength to control such a weapon. They just don't. I feel badly for everyone involved, most of all the child.
 
2014-08-28 04:48:52 AM  
On a positive note, only retards that pay to be part of the NRA will ever see this crap. Only a sh*tty parent would give their 9 year-old an uzi.  There is ZERO practical purpose for that particular weapon to be given to her.     I own a few of my own firearms, and I understand they are dangerous weapons.  Plinking targets with a .22, or shooting a BB gun at that age, I think can be done responsibly.  I bet her dad wouldn't trust her to drive for another 10 years, so why was this a good idea?  And the NRA doesn't give a rat's ass what happens to anyone, as long as you fill out the card to be a new member while looking at your reflection in your brand new gun.  They should put the fine print on the end of the barrel, and tell people to zoom in with the trigger.
 
2014-08-28 04:50:53 AM  
See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


media.washtimes.com

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire
 
2014-08-28 04:54:14 AM  
Guns, NRA?  No chance of a sane thread.
 
2014-08-28 04:57:31 AM  
At least she didn't get shot while trying to use it I guess.
www.imfdb.org
www.teenidols4you.com
www.starwrecked.com
/got nothing
//just an excuse to show Wil getting shot up.
 
2014-08-28 04:57:47 AM  

that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire


How does that NOT break your hand/wrist or kick back and smack you in the face when you fire it?
 
2014-08-28 04:58:58 AM  

that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire


You forgot the months of rehab related to having your wrists broken in the cost of firing.
 
2014-08-28 04:59:50 AM  
As far as Newton's laws of motion, the instructor was in need of remedial training.
 
2014-08-28 05:00:20 AM  

Smoking GNU: that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire

How does that NOT break your hand/wrist or kick back and smack you in the face when you fire it?


There are a fair amount of videos on youtube.
 
2014-08-28 05:03:22 AM  
I feel for the girl and for the family of the instructor.

Now I do have to ask what the fark were her parents and the instructor thinking?

I got no issues with teaching your kid to shoot a gun if they want to, but for the love of all things good and holy do it with intelligence.

I would not have given that girl more than a single shot air rifle at her age, she could still learn the basics with that, wait until the kid is older to go to more powerful guns.   at least 16 for anything bigger than a .22 .
 
2014-08-28 05:04:50 AM  

whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

deal with it, gun nuts


What happened to you, Whidbey? In the past you always seemed to be reasonable, even if I didn't agree with you. Here in the past few months it seems like not only are you trying to be the most acerbic troll possible, but are still managing to phone it in.
 
Poe
2014-08-28 05:06:11 AM  
Kids can be taught about gun safety and basic marksmanship at an early age, but you don't start an inexperienced kid off with a full auto SMG.  22s, .410 or 20 GA, and maybe .38s in a heavier .357 until they know what they are doing.  That goes for adults as well.  You put a powerful and heavily recoiling weapon in the hands of someone who equates sending rounds down range with clicking a mouse, and they are going have a negative experience.
 
2014-08-28 05:08:31 AM  

that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire


That bullet is the size and shape of a small dildo.  Coincidence?  I think not.
 
2014-08-28 05:10:19 AM  

Smoking GNU: that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire

How does that NOT break your hand/wrist or kick back and smack you in the face when you fire it?


The weight from the long barrel acts as a counter-balance to the recoil on high caliber revolvers. But yeah, I'm pretty sure some people experience involuntary back flips.
 
2014-08-28 05:13:43 AM  

that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire



Australian, huh! That's not a gun. This is a gun!

I watched a doc on Ivan Milat recently and in the video they showed some huge farking rifle that his family had. Anyway, I did a GIS and came across these pics of the mad bastard. Ivan Milat is the inspiration for the Wolf Creek serial killer films.

images.postr.hu2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-28 05:17:37 AM  

Ambivalence: that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire

That bullet is the size and shape of a small dildo.  Coincidence?  I think not.


I smirked.

+1
 
2014-08-28 05:17:46 AM  

whidbey: Also, children should be 18 before they can legally fire a weapon.

I know that's going to rustle some jimmies. Fine. Fark it.

Some of you think there aren't consequences to living in a society.


How old was this kid, 8 or 9? Let's just agree that that's too damn young for fire arm training. You know, find at least common points of agreement and then go on from there.

I don't know what semi-arbitrary age I'd want such a limit at but I'd at least want some sort of requirement that the be able to handle the firearm physically easily enough to not be likely to drop it/have accidental discharages etc. (I'm hoping present licensing procedures at least weeds out kids not mature enough to handle firearms, but willing to hear suggestions for filtering them out too). Some kids that age are pretty well developed while others not so much... it really depends on the kid. Of course that's nigh impossible to codify into law...
 
2014-08-28 05:18:47 AM  

robohobo: There are a fair amount of videos on youtube.


And I picked the worst one to watch first.  It was all still images overlayed with text..

It claims "The recoil is off set by the weight of the gun and barrel length".

Then later it shows an image of the cartridge and it says "Actual Size".  WTF?  It shrinks and grows depending on if I'm watching this video on my phone or my 24" monitor.  Amazing.
 
2014-08-28 05:19:27 AM  

GungFu: that1guy77: See... If they had these laying around, no kid would accidentally shoot anyone.


[media.washtimes.com image 498x465]

The Australian .600 Nitro Express Zeliska revolver.

*13 lbs
*22"
*7,591 foot pounds of 'muzzle energy'
*Each round costs $40 to fire


Australian, huh! That's not a gun. This is a gun!

I watched a doc on Ivan Milat recently and in the video they showed some huge farking rifle that his family had. Anyway, I did a GIS and came across these pics of the mad bastard. Ivan Milat is the inspiration for the Wolf Creek serial killer films.

[images.postr.hu image 399x272][2.bp.blogspot.com image 456x269]


...uh, that's not a "bigass rifle".  That's an MG-15.  A WW1 German light machine gun.
 
2014-08-28 05:19:50 AM  

RINO: whidbey: Teaching children to fire weapons= child abuse

deal with it, gun nuts

What happened to you, Whidbey? In the past you always seemed to be reasonable, even if I didn't agree with you. Here in the past few months it seems like not only are you trying to be the most acerbic troll possible, but are still managing to phone it in.


"Don't you think he looks tired?"
 
2014-08-28 05:20:04 AM  

Boo_Guy: At least she didn't get shot while trying to use it I guess.
[www.imfdb.org image 400x300]
[www.teenidols4you.com image 400x224]
[www.starwrecked.com image 400x223]
/got nothing
//just an excuse to show Wil getting shot up.


As I recall that whole scene (and general anti-Wes-like aspects of the character) is why Wil took that part.
 
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