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(Washington Post)   After years of tepid double-digit health insurance inflation, Obamacare burns Arkansas to the ground, explodes premiums by -2%   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 121
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2014-08-27 05:04:03 PM  
Isn't the D incumbent senator running away from the Pres. Run towards him. Don't listen to the pundits.
 
2014-08-27 05:11:08 PM  

johnryan51: Isn't the D incumbent senator running away from the Pres.


No, Pryor is one of the few Senators running commercials touting Obamacare, though the ad doesn't use that word.
 
2014-08-27 05:14:39 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: johnryan51: Isn't the D incumbent senator running away from the Pres.

No, Pryor is one of the few Senators running commercials touting Obamacare, though the ad doesn't use that word.


I didn't know that. Its a shame that they have to call it something else tho. Kentucky is doing the same thing and the people love it.
 
2014-08-27 05:20:51 PM  

johnryan51: I didn't know that. Its a shame that they have to call it something else tho. Kentucky is doing the same thing and the people love it.


Link

If not calling it Obamacare is what it takes, so be it.
 
2014-08-27 05:35:49 PM  
Arkansas disability claims fall 19% after medicaid expansion

Provide access to health care and people won't need to scam disability. Surprise.
 
2014-08-27 05:50:43 PM  

johnryan51: Isn't the D incumbent senator running away from the Pres. Run towards him. Don't listen to the pundits.


Or the Secret Service.
 
2014-08-27 05:57:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: johnryan51: I didn't know that. Its a shame that they have to call it something else tho. Kentucky is doing the same thing and the people love it.

Link

If not calling it Obamacare is what it takes, so be it.


I'm going to call it Obamacare for the rest of my life, just to piss off everybody who was against it.
 
2014-08-27 06:15:32 PM  
Hospitals are very happy.  Self-pay patients fall by half.
 
2014-08-27 06:32:43 PM  
I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.
 
2014-08-27 06:33:50 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


priuschat.com
 
2014-08-27 06:33:52 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


I'd rather pay an extra 4% than see America spiral into Mississippi.
 
2014-08-27 06:45:03 PM  
Maybe they can export their formula to other states? DC premiums are rising so much they are debating using the raise pool for this year to cover health care costs. What is Arkansas doing right?
 
2014-08-27 06:53:42 PM  
Medicare: Not Such a Budget-Buster Anymore

The difference between the current estimate for Medicare's 2019 budget and the estimate for the 2019 budget four years ago is about $95 billion. That sum is greater than the government is expected to spend that year on unemployment insurance, welfare and Amtrak - combined.

The reduced estimates are also an indication of what's happening in the overall health care system. Even as more people are getting access to health insurance, the costs of caring for individual patients is growing at a super-slow rate. That means that health care, which has eaten into salary gains for years and driven up debt and bankruptcies, may be starting to stabilize as a share of national spending.
 
2014-08-27 06:53:54 PM  

Lsherm: Maybe they can export their formula to other states? DC premiums are rising so much they are debating using the raise pool for this year to cover health care costs. What is Arkansas doing right?


Allowing you to choose Blue Cross Blue Shield over Medicare. For the first time ever, I feel somewhat lucky to live here.
 
2014-08-27 07:21:10 PM  
It's kind of sad to realize that conservatives have been making insane claims about Obamacare for about 5 years now, basically none of them have proven to be true, and they will be zero price for it.
 
2014-08-27 07:29:27 PM  

DamnYankees: It's kind of sad to realize that conservatives have been making insane claims about Obamacare for about 5 years now, basically none of them have proven to be true, and they will be zero price for it.


....and 5 years from now they'll claim it as their own, and get credit for it at the ballot box...

/ not sure if people are just willfully ignorant, or just have short memories....
 
2014-08-27 07:32:41 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


LOL

how is the ACA "socialism?" it's a private, market-based solution. do you even know what socialism is?
 
2014-08-27 07:55:42 PM  

Lsherm: Maybe they can export their formula to other states? DC premiums are rising so much they are debating using the raise pool for this year to cover health care costs. What is Arkansas doing right?


Probably from supporting all those in Congress and their staff from red state's who refuse to use their state's exchanges because the dc one is better.
 
2014-08-27 08:06:00 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


I'd rather pay the extra taxes for an education system that teaches farkwits what socialism means.
 
2014-08-27 08:06:52 PM  
MOM!   Dusk is taking all the good links!!!
 
2014-08-27 08:14:55 PM  

FlashHarry: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

LOL

how is the ACA "socialism?" it's a private, market-based solution. do you even know what socialism is?


Socialism is whatever Joe the Plumber says it is.
 
2014-08-27 08:15:54 PM  
I'm waiting for the first pseudo-conservative pundit to claim it was W's idea all along.
 
2014-08-27 08:17:08 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


You know, I was inclined to give you a rather low score, seeing how obvious that attempt was.  But honestly, you've gotten so many bites that you've earned yourself a bonus.

8/10, well done.
 
2014-08-27 08:20:14 PM  

DamnYankees: It's kind of sad to realize that conservatives have been making insane claims about Obamacare for about 5 50 years now, basically none of them have proven to be true, and they will be zero price for it.


FTFY
 
2014-08-27 08:22:01 PM  

Safari Ken: FlashHarry: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

LOL

how is the ACA "socialism?" it's a private, market-based solution. do you even know what socialism is?

Socialism is whatever Joe the Plumber Sam the wife-beating deadbeat dad/unlicensed plumber's assistant says it is.


FTFReality.
 
2014-08-27 08:40:44 PM  
FTFA: "projections"

Yeah, those are always accurate.

FTFA: "Total spending on health care has increased nearly 10 percent in the first three months of this year, the largest quarterly increase in three decades."

Calling them "premiums" is a lie. They're taxes now.

And claiming that the tax that some people (are projected to) pay is lower than it used to be, as though the actual cost of care is lower, is another lie.

Shifting millions of people onto welfare, and calling them "insured," is another lie.

Democrat lies are baked into the language they use to hide the true nature of this legislative abortion.
 
2014-08-27 08:48:48 PM  
Yes, you libtards worship at the altar of ACA, I get it. Your Obamessiah IS the Chosen One.

Wait.

Wait until the exchange subsidies end, wait until ACA is fully implemented (curiously, it won't be fully implemented until *after* the elections). And wait for the impact when all those *customers* with the pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies previously could avoid, start putting their demands on the system....then you'll see the premiums explode. Then the fecal finds the fan.

ACA *cannot* be evaluated as a success or failure until it goes into operation. It's not there yet.

But by all means, keep pounding the propaganda drum. You'll feel good about yourself, for now at least.
 
2014-08-27 08:50:55 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


Good thing it's not your choice.

Though you probably need some help with that mental problem of yours, will you pay for that as well, or just clutch your gun and be scared?
 
2014-08-27 09:02:38 PM  

mark12A: And wait for the impact when all those *customers* with the pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies previously could avoid, start putting their demands on the system....


That happened over a year ago.  Those PEC guys already put their demands on the system...

...and it didn't make any difference.

Why?  Because the PEC guys were no longer waiting until it was an emergency to get care, which seriously lessened the load on ERs and Urgent Care facilities.  We were paying for it before- the hospital would jack up the prices on regular insured people in order to cover the uninsured PECs (where they weren't going to get paid, ever).  Fewer uninsured PECs meant less strain on the hospitals which meant less bill-stuffing on the insurance companies.  Our (collective our) insurance costs actually went down once insurance companies had to cover people with pre-existing conditions.

This is a common result of regulation.  If only one insurance company had been forced to take all the people with pre-existing conditions, they'd have gone bankrupt.  When all of them have to, it makes no difference at all, except to the hospitals and the guys with the pre-existing conditions, because now they can get preventative treatment.    The same is true for minimum wage, pollution controls, and so forth- if only one company does it, they get eaten alive by their competition.  If everybody is forced to do it, it makes very little difference to the companies.
 
2014-08-27 09:06:19 PM  

mark12A: Yes, you libtards worship at the altar of ACA, I get it. Your Obamessiah IS the Chosen One.

Wait.

Wait until the exchange subsidies end, wait until ACA is fully implemented (curiously, it won't be fully implemented until *after* the elections). And wait for the impact when all those *customers* with the pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies previously could avoid, start putting their demands on the system....then you'll see the premiums explode. Then the fecal finds the fan.

ACA *cannot* be evaluated as a success or failure until it goes into operation. It's not there yet.

But by all means, keep pounding the propaganda drum. You'll feel good about yourself, for now at least.



By systematically destroying the country that God Founded, Obama truly is history's greatest monster.
 
2014-08-27 09:07:23 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: johnryan51: I didn't know that. Its a shame that they have to call it something else tho. Kentucky is doing the same thing and the people love it.

Link

If not calling it Obamacare is what it takes, so be it.


It's actually overt racism to intentionally remove 'Obama' from a law that mildly improves healthcare options for fear the cracka-ass-rednecks won't vote for you while still utilizing the benefits of the act.

But who cares. I'm a white Canadian male

/poor enlightened Americans.
//they have to live with Americans.
///ew.
 
2014-08-27 09:09:16 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: DamnYankees: It's kind of sad to realize that conservatives have been making insane claims about Obamacare for about 5 years now, basically none of them have proven to be true, and they will be zero price for it.

....and 5 years from now they'll claim it as their own, and get credit for it at the ballot box...

/ not sure if people are just willfully ignorant, or just have short memories....


Whynotboth?.jpg
 
2014-08-27 09:11:38 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

You know, I was inclined to give you a rather low score, seeing how obvious that attempt was.  But honestly, you've gotten so many bites that you've earned yourself a bonus.

8/10, well done.


You aren't wrong. Well play troll!
 
2014-08-27 09:12:28 PM  

Irving Maimway: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

[priuschat.com image 640x291]


Allow me to assist:

The person you quoted is one of three things:

-Troll
-Idiot
-Self proclaimed soldier of fortune

The sad news is none of these optioms are good.

The calls are coming from within your country :-O
 
2014-08-27 09:14:01 PM  

inclemency: The calls are coming from within your country


And I'd leave, except then they win. This is why I drink.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-27 09:15:40 PM  
In corporate soviet russia america, this is failure.
 
2014-08-27 09:16:25 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral anywhere, cuz that would make me dizzy and I'd probably throw up.
 
KIA
2014-08-27 09:16:40 PM  
Psh.  FTFA:  The federal government will spend $17 billion on insurance subsidies in 2014 alone.

Remove the federal subsidies then see what your premiums are.
 
2014-08-27 09:18:08 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral anywhere, cuz that would make me dizzy and I'd probably throw up.


If you threw up would it be covered under your ObamaCare policy?
 
2014-08-27 09:18:21 PM  

KIA: Psh.  FTFA:  The federal government will spend $17 billion on insurance subsidies in 2014 alone.

Remove the federal subsidies then see what your premiums are.


Uh, that's kinda the point.
 
2014-08-27 09:19:48 PM  
"The governor's projections, however, will not be official until open enrollment begins on Nov. 15. "

Obamacare was supposed to drop premiums for everyone else, too - until people started paying for it.

So that "-2%" will probably be off by a couple of digits in the wrong direction, as usual with government estimates.
 
2014-08-27 09:20:13 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


I'm guessing you probably smile, laugh, and gladly pay when your taxes are raised then, huh?
 
2014-08-27 09:20:39 PM  

mark12A: Yes, you libtards worship at the altar of ACA, I get it. Your Obamessiah IS the Chosen One.

Wait.

Wait until the exchange subsidies end, wait until ACA is fully implemented (curiously, it won't be fully implemented until *after* the elections). And wait for the impact when all those *customers* with the pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies previously could avoid, start putting their demands on the system....then you'll see the premiums explode. Then the fecal finds the fan.

ACA *cannot* be evaluated as a success or failure until it goes into operation. It's not there yet.

But by all means, keep pounding the propaganda drum. You'll feel good about yourself, for now at least.


It's so cute how you're still holding out hope.

Obamacare works.  Democrats will run and win on it for 50 years to come, just like they did with Social Security.  And you can't even try to rewrite history because you idiots conveniently branded it "Obamacare".
 
2014-08-27 09:24:04 PM  

mark12A: Wait until the exchange subsidies end, wait until ACA is fully implemented (curiously, it won't be fully implemented until *after* the elections). And wait for the impact when all those *customers* with the pre-existing conditions that the insurance companies previously could avoid, start putting their demands on the system....then you'll see the premiums explode. Then the fecal finds the fan.


The exchange subsidies never end.  That's a permanent thing, and they are indexed to medical inflation.  The bans on pre-existing conditions took affect a year and a half ago.  We've already seen that "explosion", and it was underwhelming to say the least.

KIA: Remove the federal subsidies then see what your premiums are.


This is talking about the total premiums paid by both the individual and any subsidies the individual receives.  That total amount is going down.
 
2014-08-27 09:26:16 PM  
All you regulars here not seeing Eddie's post for the  sarcasm that it is are making me think everyone's taking Fark too seriously.

Jeesh, that sarcastic post was telegraphed for a mile.  But yeah, Poe's law and all that...
 
2014-08-27 09:28:04 PM  

Phinn: FTFA: "projections"

Yeah, those are always accurate.

FTFA: "Total spending on health care has increased nearly 10 percent in the first three months of this year, the largest quarterly increase in three decades."

Calling them "premiums" is a lie. They're taxes now.

And claiming that the tax that some people (are projected to) pay is lower than it used to be, as though the actual cost of care is lower, is another lie.

Shifting millions of people onto welfare, and calling them "insured," is another lie.

Democrat lies are baked into the language they use to hide the true nature of this legislative abortion.


You mean more people having access to healthcare means more people spend money on healthcare meaning total (not individual) spending on healthcare increases in a non-negligible manner?

This is an outrage.
 
2014-08-27 09:31:03 PM  

b0rg9: All you regulars here not seeing Eddie's post for the  sarcasm that it is are making me think everyone's taking Fark too seriously.

Jeesh, that sarcastic post was telegraphed for a mile.  But yeah, Poe's law and all that...


Yeah, I was wondering about that.
 
2014-08-27 09:31:24 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.

I'm guessing you probably smile, laugh, and gladly pay when your taxes are raised then, huh?


I pay a 1.5% medicare levy living in Australia as part of my taxes.

I'm actually quite happy with that, because I DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING ELSE REGARDLESS OF HOW SICK I GET.

Seriously, even with the democrats trying to desperately drag the USA out of the 19th century, there is no way in hell I'd move back to there. The constant resistance to public healthcare by a large portion of the population is a shining example of frankly, how farking stupid most people are and while I know this and accept it, I don't necessarily need to have my nose rubbed in it every time I open the paper/turn on the news/etc.  Even our retarded "conservatives" here have nothing on the idiots back home. So glad I left!
 
2014-08-27 09:35:16 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'd rather pay the extra 2% than see America spiral into socialism.


Someone that's been around as long as you can still get that many bites? Nice!
 
2014-08-27 09:36:14 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Yeah, I was wondering about that.


I know it's a biatch on mobile, but sometimes a click on someone's profile is all it takes to see where they're coming from.
 
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