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(War on the Rocks)   Islamists beat moderates in the Middle East because they have better PR   (warontherocks.com) divider line 27
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2014-08-27 06:10:35 PM
And explosives.
 
2014-08-27 06:16:28 PM
Well, that and the fact that the moderates don't murder everyone that disagrees with them
 
2014-08-27 06:24:35 PM
Our PR is better.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-27 07:08:28 PM
the center always crumbles to the extremists. see the french revolution, iranian revolution, russian revolution,blah blah blah blah blah
 
2014-08-27 07:10:27 PM

Snarfangel: Our PR is better.

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Yeah but none of the kids who join these sorts of extremist groups have a chance of getting that
 
2014-08-27 07:11:01 PM
The music in those ISIS vids is pretty dope. Can't deny.
 
2014-08-27 07:13:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, that and the fact that the moderates don't murder everyone that disagrees with them


The extremists think they have something worth cutting peoples' heads off over.  What do the moderates have?
 
2014-08-27 07:14:48 PM

Omahawg: the center always crumbles to the extremists. see the french revolution, iranian revolution, russian revolution,blah blah blah blah blah


Yep. And we Enlightened Western Christians have been making sure the situation never stabilizes enough for things to recover.
 
2014-08-27 07:16:39 PM
If the ISIS ppl are so mighty, how come I only ever see pictures of like four masked guys holding a flag?
 
2014-08-27 07:22:31 PM
Want to feel good about the world? Then don't click this Link
 
2014-08-27 07:26:10 PM
Its propaganda is rife with references to its shattering of the imperial borders laid down by the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

Ach, THOSE two bastards again.
 
2014-08-27 07:28:42 PM
PR is only as good as the compliant media which broadcasts it. The hipster pose of an obscure little group which no one has ever heard of really doesn't really work in terroristic movements.
 
2014-08-27 07:33:12 PM
Many Middle Eastern nations had been functional democracies until the mid-20th century, when we started sticking our dicks into their metaphorical mashed potatoes, such as the 1953 coup of Iran, leading to the rise of leaders who served as useful idiots to us.

I've said it before, but this needs to be said again and again:

So many problems in the Middle East today are socioeconomic rather than religious. The 1953 US-backed coup of Iran and the later invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR all led to the downfall of the more sensible leaders in favor of idiot rulers who could easily be exploited. With Afghanistan in particular, the US was so obsessed with stopping the Soviets that we didn't think about who were supporting against them. Namely, the more fundamentalist members of the Mujaheddin who filled the power vacuum once the Soviets left altogether and turned Afghanistan into a larger hellhole. To this day, no American politician will own up to their mistakes there, to the reality that *we* made our enemies.

If someone has been radicalizing the Middle East, it's been us. By manipulating their governments, by bombing their cities with little regard for the people, by unquestionably supporting Israel with their apartheid policies, we have been constantly antagonizing the people of the Middle East. And we act all shocked like "Oh, why do they hate us?". We must take some responsibility over the wrongdoings we've caused.
 
2014-08-27 07:34:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, that and the fact that the moderates don't murder everyone that disagrees with them


It seems as though the moderates are, in reality, a tiny minority, no matter how much we'd love that to not be the case.

Blame P.R. capabilities, fear of retribution, a muzzled press, etc. all day long for the region not being a desert Scandinavia.  It's a whole lot of wishful thinking.

Their leaders are acting just as the majority of their people want and expect them to.
 
2014-08-27 07:36:44 PM
kids online are following them as if they were their favorite sports team.
 
2014-08-27 07:37:53 PM
LET ISIS RAMPAGE.

Perhaps it will get folks to get their collective shiats together
 
2014-08-27 07:46:42 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-27 08:32:42 PM
Stellar article. I think we've found a replacement ME expert for the plagiarizing Fareed Zakaria, Jeff Zu-

Oh wait....I just remembered: Your network isn't the news business anymore. Never mind.
 
2014-08-27 08:52:59 PM

Omahawg: the center always crumbles to the extremists. see the french revolution, iranian revolution, russian revolution,GOP, blah blah blah blah blah


Yep
 
2014-08-27 10:27:57 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Many Middle Eastern nations had been functional democracies until the mid-20th century, when we started sticking our dicks into their metaphorical mashed potatoes, such as the 1953 coup of Iran, leading to the rise of leaders who served as useful idiots to us.

I've said it before, but this needs to be said again and again:

So many problems in the Middle East today are socioeconomic rather than religious. The 1953 US-backed coup of Iran and the later invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR all led to the downfall of the more sensible leaders in favor of idiot rulers who could easily be exploited. With Afghanistan in particular, the US was so obsessed with stopping the Soviets that we didn't think about who were supporting against them. Namely, the more fundamentalist members of the Mujaheddin who filled the power vacuum once the Soviets left altogether and turned Afghanistan into a larger hellhole. To this day, no American politician will own up to their mistakes there, to the reality that *we* made our enemies.

If someone has been radicalizing the Middle East, it's been us. By manipulating their governments, by bombing their cities with little regard for the people, by unquestionably supporting Israel with their apartheid policies, we have been constantly antagonizing the people of the Middle East. And we act all shocked like "Oh, why do they hate us?". We must take some responsibility over the wrongdoings we've caused.


Don't forget to blame the colonial masters Britain and France while you're dishing out crow for the US to eat.
 
2014-08-27 11:29:47 PM
The trouble of taking responsibility for everything is that others tend to let you do that. The proper response to this scenario is: "fark you. Eat ISIS for a while."
 
2014-08-27 11:32:34 PM

Yogimus: LET ISIS RAMPAGE.


They've nearly reached their maximum extents. They aren't expanding outside of (the former) Iraq & Syria.
 
2014-08-27 11:42:01 PM
That is what happens when you stone to death the PR guys from the other side for being moderate.
 
2014-08-27 11:52:15 PM

Fano: Bith Set Me Up: Many Middle Eastern nations had been functional democracies until the mid-20th century, when we started sticking our dicks into their metaphorical mashed potatoes, such as the 1953 coup of Iran, leading to the rise of leaders who served as useful idiots to us.

I've said it before, but this needs to be said again and again:

So many problems in the Middle East today are socioeconomic rather than religious. The 1953 US-backed coup of Iran and the later invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR all led to the downfall of the more sensible leaders in favor of idiot rulers who could easily be exploited. With Afghanistan in particular, the US was so obsessed with stopping the Soviets that we didn't think about who were supporting against them. Namely, the more fundamentalist members of the Mujaheddin who filled the power vacuum once the Soviets left altogether and turned Afghanistan into a larger hellhole. To this day, no American politician will own up to their mistakes there, to the reality that *we* made our enemies.

If someone has been radicalizing the Middle East, it's been us. By manipulating their governments, by bombing their cities with little regard for the people, by unquestionably supporting Israel with their apartheid policies, we have been constantly antagonizing the people of the Middle East. And we act all shocked like "Oh, why do they hate us?". We must take some responsibility over the wrongdoings we've caused.

Don't forget to blame the colonial masters Britain and France while you're dishing out crow for the US to eat.


True. Much of our joint policy towards the Middle East has been about keeping colonialism alive.
 
2014-08-27 11:53:12 PM
Aww fark.
 
2014-08-28 08:30:21 AM
The middle will always be outflanked by the extreme right and the extreme left.
 
2014-08-28 11:12:08 AM

Nurglitch: The middle will always be outflanked by the extreme right and the extreme left.


And it is doubly scary when the extreme right and left meet to destroy the middle.

/See most civil wars.
//Until the left and right start fighting each other...
 
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