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2014-08-27 11:49:58 AM
Why won't he tell us what happened to the ducks?!?

/ZzZzzzzzZzzz
 
2014-08-27 12:48:00 PM
Too long; did read.
 
2014-08-27 01:33:47 PM
Now they can do the movi...oh...yeah, that's right.
 
2014-08-27 01:56:34 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Now they can do the movi...oh...yeah, that's right.


Zombie Tony?
 
2014-08-27 01:58:30 PM
Way to ruin the mystery, dummy.
 
2014-08-27 02:00:43 PM
I never got why people thought he was killed. There was nothing about the ending that made me think that, but then again, I'm not one of those obsessive types who needs to find hidden meanings behind the shows I watch.
 
2014-08-27 02:00:47 PM
I like the ending. It's a beautiful ambiguity.
 
2014-08-27 02:00:52 PM
"No, no he isn't".

... because he lives on in our hearts.

Suckers.
 
2014-08-27 02:02:34 PM
I can't tell you the number of times I've heard people debate this very thing.
Because I haven't.
 
2014-08-27 02:02:36 PM
whothehellcares.jpg
 
2014-08-27 02:03:24 PM
He is dead, and he is also dead
 
2014-08-27 02:05:35 PM

ReapTheChaos: I never got why people thought he was killed. There was nothing about the ending that made me think that, but then again, I'm not one of those obsessive types who needs to find hidden meanings behind the shows I watch.


This.  Caught it completely by accident on vacation.  Thought it was very Jersey that he picked Journey over Sinatra, and that it was a nice family moment, then fade to black.

Inchoate: It's a beautiful ambiguity.


And even though I didn't get any ambiguity from my viewing, I champion anything that can be left open ended (see also: Blade Runner "Is Decker a replicant?" It doesn't matter, Ridley; the bigger question is: was he ever human?).

So... BEST ending!

BAMFinator: whothehellcares.jpg


and of course, very this.
 
2014-08-27 02:06:22 PM
The "best" part about the sopranos ending was that it aired during a week i was having trouble with the cables connected to my satellite dish, and the tivo was going to black screens occasionally until I would jiggle the wires a bit.

Thanks for the epic troll, HBO.

/csb
 
2014-08-27 02:06:25 PM
A beautifully shot/directed scene.

I hated it not because of its ambiguity, but because it didn't actually do anything.  All we learned in the final scene was that a mob boss has to constantly worry about death.  Great, that wasn't evident in the first episode?  Or in any mob story ever?
 
2014-08-27 02:06:42 PM
Could be worse - could be a sci-fi show, where even if you see him being killed, he might not stay dead.

/don't care if Jesus did it too, it ruins the dramatic impact of death
 
2014-08-27 02:07:30 PM
Vox: needlessly long articles about things people no longer care about.
 
2014-08-27 02:07:41 PM
He's not dead. He's going to be hosting The View in September.
 
2014-08-27 02:10:30 PM
He is dead, or he is going to be forever worried about being killed randomly.

Doesn't matter what the creator intended, he left clues to death for people like him ending like the show did.
 
2014-08-27 02:12:52 PM
He's dead. The guy in the Member's Only jacket shot him.
 
2014-08-27 02:14:01 PM
Allow me to illustrate thusly:

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img.fark.net
 
2014-08-27 02:15:15 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-27 02:15:34 PM

mekkab: And even though I didn't get any ambiguity from my viewing, I champion anything that can be left open ended (see also: Blade Runner "Is Decker a replicant?" It doesn't matter, Ridley; the bigger question is: was he ever human?).


Hah, just had a conversation about this the other day. Blade Runner is another one of those ambiguities. I think the story is more fascinating if we aren't sure, and Decker's personal tragedy is keener as a possibility than as a certainty.

When I was a little girl, I really wanted to know what actually happened at the end of The Giver. Years later I realized that was completely beside the point. (And that the author had since written sequels, which are crap.)
 
2014-08-27 02:15:41 PM
and Batman killed Joker at the end of The Last Laugh, too.
 
2014-08-27 02:16:21 PM
The diner is actually in the snow globe of an autistic kid.
 
2014-08-27 02:16:46 PM
The question I want answered is: does Meadow Soprano represent how shiatty New Jersey people are at parking?


And toward the end of the series the quality of the Sopranos was slipping so I wasn't surprised that Chase came up with a half assed ending.
 
2014-08-27 02:17:30 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: I hated it not because of its ambiguity, but because it didn't actually do anything. All we learned in the final scene was that a mob boss has to constantly worry about death. Great, that wasn't evident in the first episode? Or in any mob story ever?


That IS (part of) the point. (Now, the only two episodes I really know are the first and last, so YMMV.)

The series starts because he goes (or has to go) see a shrink, right? That's not really a seismic shift in Tony's life (other than that he has to acknowledge his feelings), so it's as arbitrary a place to start a story about a family man-mobster as any. Similarly, the end is as good a place to end as any; and nothing really changed from the beginning. People are older, but no wiser. Some of the old ones are dead, some new ones showed up.

So rather than end on a prosaic scene of the family having dinner, he ends it mid-thought 15 minutes earlier. So what? What might we have seen that would be a thunderbolt moment to appropriately end the series? Tony actually getting killed? All that does is validate that a mob boss constantly worries about death (same thing if his wife or a kid gets whacked).

So it ends midstream, just like it started.
 
2014-08-27 02:19:49 PM

Inchoate: Decker's personal tragedy is keener as a possibility than as a certainty.


I mean Deckard, herpityderp
 
2014-08-27 02:22:03 PM

Dr Dreidel: ToastmasterGeneral: I hated it not because of its ambiguity, but because it didn't actually do anything. All we learned in the final scene was that a mob boss has to constantly worry about death. Great, that wasn't evident in the first episode? Or in any mob story ever?

That IS (part of) the point. (Now, the only two episodes I really know are the first and last, so YMMV.)

The series starts because he goes (or has to go) see a shrink, right? That's not really a seismic shift in Tony's life (other than that he has to acknowledge his feelings), so it's as arbitrary a place to start a story about a family man-mobster as any. Similarly, the end is as good a place to end as any; and nothing really changed from the beginning. People are older, but no wiser. Some of the old ones are dead, some new ones showed up.

So rather than end on a prosaic scene of the family having dinner, he ends it mid-thought 15 minutes earlier. So what? What might we have seen that would be a thunderbolt moment to appropriately end the series? Tony actually getting killed? All that does is validate that a mob boss constantly worries about death (same thing if his wife or a kid gets whacked).

So it ends midstream, just like it started.


Not trolling but one fine point.

A mob guy going to see a shrink is a major change in and a threat to his life. He could have got whacked by his superiors, his competitors or his underlings for breaking the rules and being soft.

But yeah Tony's life was supposed to seem mundane, just like everyone else's except for the whacking, the prostitutes, drugs, etc.
 
2014-08-27 02:23:48 PM
How did the picture of Tony turn black with text when scrolling down the article?  That was pretty neat.

/legit dorky curiosity
 
2014-08-27 02:25:31 PM
The cut to black was the end of the show, the idea is that life keeps going on afterwards.

In reality, I think Chase really couldn't come up with a good ending.
 
2014-08-27 02:26:20 PM
s.mlkshk.com
 
2014-08-27 02:26:40 PM

chubby muppet: How did the picture of Tony turn black with text when scrolling down the article?  That was pretty neat.

/legit dorky curiosity


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-27 02:27:51 PM
That's a lot of words for the answer to a yes or no question.

Like Breaking Bad, but to a larger degree, I hated the time wasted on the stupid wife and kids in that show. Sure, throw a hint that the flighty moron is way into Yoga, organic foods or whatever other stupid fad but don't spend a lot of time on it... it's tediously boring.
 
2014-08-27 02:29:15 PM

Inchoate: When I was a little girl, I really wanted to know what actually happened at the end of The Giver. Years later I realized that was completely beside the point. (And that the author had since written sequels, which are crap.)


Remember in middle/high school english, wrote a sequel for an assignment.  Wasn't until a few years later I found out there all ready were sequels.

From what I've heard of them, mine was better
 
2014-08-27 02:29:15 PM
He never lived, he's  a fictional character
 
2014-08-27 02:29:21 PM

chubby muppet: How did the picture of Tony turn black with text when scrolling down the article?  That was pretty neat.

/legit dorky curiosity


Some CSS trickery.

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2014-08-27 02:29:38 PM

chubby muppet: How did the picture of Tony turn black with text when scrolling down the article?  That was pretty neat.

/legit dorky curiosity


javascript, onscroll event.
http://joshbroton.com/hooking-up-to-the-window-onscroll-event-withou t- killing-your-performance/
 
2014-08-27 02:29:52 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: Could be worse - could be a sci-fi show, where even if you see him being killed, he might not stay dead.

/don't care if Jesus did it too, it ruins the dramatic impact of death


Nick Fury and Dr. Doom have been life model decoys and Doombots since their second appearances in the comics. 90% of the Marvel universe is a clone, robot, or geased zombie and doesn't know it.
 
2014-08-27 02:30:20 PM

chubby muppet: How did the picture of Tony turn black with text when scrolling down the article?  That was pretty neat.

/legit dorky curiosity


Just some shiatty javascript/html5 code that changes the page's content when you scroll a certain amount.  It's a ridiculous fad that seems to be rapidly infecting shiatty blogs passing as news articles.
 
2014-08-27 02:31:14 PM
I always liked the ending to Carpenter's Thing. Which one was a thing? Both? Neither?
 
GBB
2014-08-27 02:31:53 PM
"No, he"
files.sharenator.com
 
2014-08-27 02:34:25 PM
Wow, that article spent a lot of time delaying the answer for no good reason.
 
2014-08-27 02:35:36 PM

skinink: The question I want answered is: does Meadow Soprano represent how shiatty New Jersey people are at parking?


I'd help her slide it into the spot, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.
 
2014-08-27 02:36:46 PM

Herr Morgenstern: Wow, that article spent a lot of time delaying the answer for no good reason.


Just like the show!
 
2014-08-27 02:38:56 PM
Gah, people, have a little more ability to accept ambivalence in your entertainment. You don't know what happened to Tony. You're not supposed to know. NOBODY knows. You may now continue the story using your OWN imagination.

/However, Deckard is definitely a Replicant. That's cut and dried.
 
2014-08-27 02:43:57 PM

bulok: He never lived, he's  a fictional character


No, James Gandolfini brought him to life. In a Satanic ritual somewhere in the swamps of New Jersey.
 
2014-08-27 02:47:09 PM
Reminds me of the days of renting videos and hanging out in video stores.  I couple had just returned Ronin and was biatching about how they never found out what was in the case.  It totally ruined the movie for them.
 
2014-08-27 03:01:26 PM
Still a better ending than "True Blood".
 
2014-08-27 03:02:58 PM

Beeblebrox: Reminds me of the days of renting videos and hanging out in video stores.  I couple had just returned Ronin and was biatching about how they never found out what was in the case.  It totally ruined the movie for them.


How did they feel about Pulp Fiction?
 
2014-08-27 03:05:31 PM
Screw that, I want to know what happened to the Russian that Pauly shot in the forest.  I need closure!
 
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