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(Daily Mail)   One little-studied benefit of smoking pot is that it reduces domestic violence   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line 27
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2014-08-27 11:45:13 AM  
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Watch out, he's furious right now.
 
2014-08-27 11:57:52 AM  
Who wants to get off the couch just to smack your SO around when you could just stay on the couch and shoot them half-lidded dirty looks laced with contempt.
 
2014-08-27 12:04:39 PM  
They tried to do another study involving aggression and Pabst Blue Ribbon, but all the scientists kept getting their asses kicked for not bringing another PBR fast enough.
 
2014-08-27 02:28:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: They tried to do another study involving aggression and Pabst Blue Ribbon, but all the scientists kept getting their asses kicked for not bringing another PBR fast enough.


Well, they got snide comments under the breathe and extra waxed-mustache twirling in their general direction but "asses kicked" is a bit strong.
 
2014-08-27 02:30:31 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Who wants to get off the couch just to smack your SO around when you could just stay on the couch and shoot them half-lidded dirty looks laced with contempt.


I don't need drugs for that
 
2014-08-27 02:35:54 PM  
I remember a pretty straight-arrow cop telling me that in 20+ years, he had never been called out on a Friday night to a house where someone came home after a bad week at work, smoked some pot, then started knocking around his wife or girlfriend. If booze was outlawed in favour of weed, he said domestics would drop so fast that the police wouldn't have much else to do but drive around and check parking lots for stolen cars on weekends.

/ But yeah, pot is bad.
 
2014-08-27 02:37:20 PM  
The findings don't shed light on acts of violence immediately after smoking

Like arguing over the last slice of pizza?
 
2014-08-27 02:37:44 PM  
Abortion lowers crime rate too.
 
2014-08-27 02:37:47 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Who wants to get off the couch just to smack your SO around when you could just stay on the couch and shoot them half-lidded dirty looks laced with contempt.


You should have mentioned that to my ex-sister in law.

// she once called the cops on my brother because she slammed a door in his face during a fight
// apparently, him taking that as a sign to leave the house and cool down meant he was about to commit domestic violence?
// glad the cops didn't agree
 
2014-08-27 03:11:35 PM  
Having no experience with the stuff, what about the people who experience paranoia as the result of consuming marijuana?  Do they ever do stupid shiat with real-world consequences as a result of their paranoia?
 
2014-08-27 03:25:55 PM  

flondrix: Having no experience with the stuff, what about the people who experience paranoia as the result of consuming marijuana?  Do they ever do stupid shiat with real-world consequences as a result of their paranoia?


If they fall into a paranoia trip, wide-eyed and in a fetal position is how you're likely to find them (more or less).
I haven't seen anyone suffering from pot-induced paranoia get violent.

/not snark, my observations
 
2014-08-27 03:40:38 PM  
Pot + tv = Soma

It's the number one reason I think it will be legalized.
 
2014-08-27 04:27:53 PM  

Snowrise: I remember a pretty straight-arrow cop telling me that in 20+ years, he had never been called out on a Friday night to a house where someone came home after a bad week at work, smoked some pot, then started knocking around his wife or girlfriend. If booze was outlawed in favour of weed, he said domestics would drop so fast that the police wouldn't have much else to do but drive around and check parking lots for stolen cars on weekends.

/ But yeah, pot is bad.


Laguardia Committee (NYC, 1946) & the Shafer Commission (Nixon, 1972) cited previous studies on crime/interviews with law enforcement that pretty much back up the cop's hypothesis (individual use of violence associated with ethanol, rather than marijuana).

Now, Colorado (bless its heart) is gearing up to repeat research on a larger, more fine grained, scale.  It's nice, and maybe this time around the findings won't be buried, but am betting the sociological inquiries will produce exactly the same results.
 
2014-08-27 04:50:49 PM  
Note that they only studied couples where both smoked.

Is a scenario where a shrill harpy berates a guy for being a pot-smoking loser always peaceful?
 
2014-08-27 05:35:05 PM  
The gist of the pot apologetics seems to run that pot results in people not doing things rather than doing bad things, and is therefore safer than alcohol.  OK, fair enough.  But it would seem to me that MJ is just as capable of causing negligence as alcohol.  Has there been any study of this?  I am not talking about violence now, but incidence of stoned vs. drunk parents letting kids drown or injure themselves, fires started by stoners dropping burning joints vs. drunks dropping burning cigarettes, that sort of thing.  And the all important driving issue:  Everyone has heard the cute story about the stoner driving down the freeway at 5 MPH, but is there any good data on how THC affects driving?  I fail to see how a "decreased sense of urgency" from pot is much better than an "slower reaction time" from alcohol.
 
2014-08-27 05:38:02 PM  
Needs obvious tag.
 
2014-08-27 05:48:29 PM  

flondrix: The gist of the pot apologetics seems to run that pot results in people not doing things rather than doing bad things, and is therefore safer than alcohol.  OK, fair enough.  But it would seem to me that MJ is just as capable of causing negligence as alcohol.  Has there been any study of this?  I am not talking about violence now, but incidence of stoned vs. drunk parents letting kids drown or injure themselves, fires started by stoners dropping burning joints vs. drunks dropping burning cigarettes, that sort of thing.  And the all important driving issue:  Everyone has heard the cute story about the stoner driving down the freeway at 5 MPH, but is there any good data on how THC affects driving?  I fail to see how a "decreased sense of urgency" from pot is much better than an "slower reaction time" from alcohol.


Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.
 
2014-08-27 05:52:57 PM  

MayoSlather: flondrix: The gist of the pot apologetics seems to run that pot results in people not doing things rather than doing bad things, and is therefore safer than alcohol.  OK, fair enough.  But it would seem to me that MJ is just as capable of causing negligence as alcohol.  Has there been any study of this?  I am not talking about violence now, but incidence of stoned vs. drunk parents letting kids drown or injure themselves, fires started by stoners dropping burning joints vs. drunks dropping burning cigarettes, that sort of thing.  And the all important driving issue:  Everyone has heard the cute story about the stoner driving down the freeway at 5 MPH, but is there any good data on how THC affects driving?  I fail to see how a "decreased sense of urgency" from pot is much better than an "slower reaction time" from alcohol.

Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.


This this this.

I'm sick of the stereotype that people who use pot are all "stoners", losers, and irresponsible.  If you used only my sample set you'd say all pot users are well adjusted, job holding, tax paying, child raising, responsible,  all around good citizens.  It's almost as if the pot isn't the thing the defines them.
 
2014-08-27 06:53:52 PM  

MayoSlather: Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.


Would you say that smoking (or otherwise ingesting) pot while you are supposed to be watching some kids qualifies as being an irresponsible F wad?
 
2014-08-27 07:02:55 PM  
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2014-08-27 08:39:47 PM  

flondrix: MayoSlather: Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.

Would you say that smoking (or otherwise ingesting) pot while you are supposed to be watching some kids qualifies as being an irresponsible F wad?


As compared, let's say, to that cellphoning, rear of the minivan loaded with screaming crotchfruit, soccer mom who took an extra milligram of Xanax before pulling into traffic, and is currently on the way over that hill and in your (the wrong) lane?

I'd have no problem with a sitter who was using responsibly, any more than a sitter using some other medication under physician's care.  I'd think the negligence angle is better exemplified by getting drunk and passing out with a lit cigarette between one's fingers (Fire Depts understand).
 
2014-08-27 08:50:58 PM  

flondrix: MayoSlather: Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.

Would you say that smoking (or otherwise ingesting) pot while you are supposed to be watching some kids qualifies as being an irresponsible F wad?


Depends on the parent. Seriously, not being smartass. Some people are functional smokers, some are not. Overwhelming majority prioritize correctly.

//knows lots of smokers...
 
2014-08-27 08:51:18 PM  

flondrix: The gist of the pot apologetics seems to run that pot results in people not doing things rather than doing bad things, and is therefore safer than alcohol.  OK, fair enough.  But it would seem to me that MJ is just as capable of causing negligence as alcohol.  Has there been any study of this?  I am not talking about violence now, but incidence of stoned vs. drunk parents letting kids drown or injure themselves, fires started by stoners dropping burning joints vs. drunks dropping burning cigarettes, that sort of thing.  And the all important driving issue:  Everyone has heard the cute story about the stoner driving down the freeway at 5 MPH, but is there any good data on how THC affects driving?  I fail to see how a "decreased sense of urgency" from pot is much better than an "slower reaction time" from alcohol.


Alcohol isn't a legally (or morally) accepted excuse for wrong-doing. It should be the same for pot.
 
2014-08-28 12:38:39 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Alcohol isn't a legally (or morally) accepted excuse for wrong-doing. It should be the same for pot.


Bingo.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone driving a vehicle, supervising children, operating a drop-forge, etc. to refrain from using any mind-altering chemicals.  If you are on a medically necessary medication that makes you drowsy, inattentive, slow to react, alters your depth perception, whatever, then you need to find another job.  And a way to get to work without driving.
 
2014-08-28 12:49:41 AM  

flondrix: MayoSlather: Negligent people are negligent. Pot has little to do with being an irresponsible F wad.

Would you say that smoking (or otherwise ingesting) pot while you are supposed to be watching some kids qualifies as being an irresponsible F wad?


Kids games, toys and cartoons are great when you're a little stoned. And screaming brats are a lot less frustrating. If anything, they can get more attention.

/This does not apply to people who are just irresponsible idiots. Stoned or not...
 
2014-08-28 10:26:33 AM  

flondrix: thisdaydreamer: Alcohol isn't a legally (or morally) accepted excuse for wrong-doing. It should be the same for pot.

Bingo.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone driving a vehicle, supervising children, operating a drop-forge, etc. to refrain from using any mind-altering chemicals.  If you are on a medically necessary medication that makes you drowsy, inattentive, slow to react, alters your depth perception, whatever, then you need to find another job.  And a way to get to work without driving.


Blah, blah, blah.  Until you set a standard for drowsiness, inattentiveness, reaction time, etc. and hold everyone to it, you're a hypocrite.  Setting a limit on a couple of substances while ignoring all other factors is simply lazy.  What about the people who are inattentive and slow-to-react to begin with?  What if I can smoke or drink and still be a better driver than the deafened octogenarian or the phone-addicted teenager or the guy who just didn't sleep very well last night?  Should I still have my life ruined because of the readout on a breathalyzer or a blood test is over some arbitrary limit?  It is hilariously easy to obtain a driver's license in this country, and anyone who manages to do so can immediately pilot a 4-ton pile of steel and glass and controlled explosions up to 85 miles per hour.  That's farking crazy and no one thinks twice about it.  Either raise the standards across the board for operating a motor vehicle or quit the ridiculous hand-wringing about the stoned driver apocalypse.
 
2014-08-29 03:48:57 AM  

flondrix: thisdaydreamer: Alcohol isn't a legally (or morally) accepted excuse for wrong-doing. It should be the same for pot.

Bingo.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone driving a vehicle, supervising children, operating a drop-forge, etc. to refrain from using any mind-altering chemicals.  If you are on a medically necessary medication that makes you drowsy, inattentive, slow to react, alters your depth perception, whatever, then you need to find another job.  And a way to get to work without driving.



I think the British government did some testing of smokers/driving under the influence. It turned out that the stoner drivers had marginally fewer accidents when they were stoned as opposed to when they were not. The study found that while their reaction times were reduced, they tended to driver slower, leave more room, less likely to try dodgy overtaking etc. Pretty amusing, considering they did the study to try and prove the opposite.
 
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