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2014-08-27 08:24:36 AM  
He's been a below average governor of backwards state and yet we still regularly get headlines on the stupid shiat he says and does... so mission accomplished?
 
2014-08-27 08:27:51 AM  
warosu.org
 
2014-08-27 08:42:01 AM  
When the state education board adopted the standards in 2010, Jindal supported them, saying they would help students to better prepare for college and careers. He reversed course earlier this year, however, and now says he opposes the standards because they are an effort by the Obama administration to meddle in state education policy.

Translation: "I am thinking of running for president and can't be seen as cooperating with the Obama Administration.  If students are ill-prepared for college and careers, well, that's just the price that has to be paid."
 
2014-08-27 08:43:35 AM  
The Common Core standards are math and English benchmarks describing what students should know after completing each grade. They were developed by states to allow comparison of students' performance. More than 40 states, including Louisiana, have adopted them.

When the state education board adopted the standards in 2010, Jindal supported them, saying they would help students to better prepare for college and careers. He reversed course earlier this year, however, and now says he opposes the standards because they are an effort by the Obama administration to meddle in state education policy.

The governor's change of heart is not shared by lawmakers, the state education board and his hand-picked education superintendent, all of whom refuse to jettison Common Core from Louisiana's classrooms. Jindal tried to derail use of the standards by suspending testing contracts, but a state judge lifted that suspension, calling the governor's actions harmful to parents, teachers and students.


Asshole GOP governor acting like an asshole because he thinks he can make political hay against Obama.
 
2014-08-27 08:49:41 AM  
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal reportedly will file a lawsuit against the Obama administration in federal court Wednesday, claiming that the Department of Education has illegally manipulated grant money and regulations to force states to adopt the controversial Common Core standards.

Yes, that's how a funded mandate works.  Unlike "No Child Left Behind."
 
2014-08-27 08:49:51 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: When the state education board adopted the standards in 2010, Jindal supported them, saying they would help students to better prepare for college and careers. He reversed course earlier this year, however, and now says he opposes the standards because they are an effort by the Obama administration to meddle in state education policy.

Translation: "I am thinking of running for president and can't be seen as cooperating with the Obama Administration.  If students are ill-prepared for college and careers, well, that's just the price that has to be paid."


Pretty much. He wants the credit at home for what he's already done, but wants folks outside the state. He's an opportunist, at best, and a weasel at worst.
 
2014-08-27 08:59:37 AM  
Jindal was for Common Core before he was against it. And the real kicker is that David Vitter, the Republican nominee for governor, is for it. As are all the Democratic candidates. No matter who succeeds Jindal, he will support Common Core.
 
2014-08-27 09:00:03 AM  

hubiestubert: Three Crooked Squirrels: When the state education board adopted the standards in 2010, Jindal supported them, saying they would help students to better prepare for college and careers. He reversed course earlier this year, however, and now says he opposes the standards because they are an effort by the Obama administration to meddle in state education policy.

Translation: "I am thinking of running for president and can't be seen as cooperating with the Obama Administration.  If students are ill-prepared for college and careers, well, that's just the price that has to be paid."

Pretty much. He wants the credit at home for what he's already done, but wants folks outside the state. He's an opportunist, at best, and a weasel at worst.


Jindal/Cuomo in 2016!
 
2014-08-27 09:01:13 AM  
One caveat: Jindal and Vitter hate each other's guts. If Jindal said the sky was blue, Vitter would say we need to change the color.
 
2014-08-27 09:03:05 AM  

Nabb1: One caveat: Jindal and Vitter hate each other's guts. If Jindal said the sky was blue, Vitter would say we need to change the color.


Well that's a juicy bit of gossip.  I like it!  Is it personal or over something specific like a policy?
 
2014-08-27 09:14:36 AM  

Nabb1: Jindal was for Common Core before he was against it. And the real kicker is that David Vitter, the Republican nominee for governor, is for it. As are all the Democratic candidates. No matter who succeeds Jindal, he will support Common Core.


Maybe the schools in Louisiana are really that bad that Common Core looks like a step up.

Here in New York, the people biatching the loudest about Common Core are the rich suburban Democratic moms, with whatever passes for conservative in New York close behind.
 
2014-08-27 09:48:53 AM  
Suing Obama is the latest fad. It'll pass and next it will be those sunglasses that are just plastic strips.
 
2014-08-27 09:56:54 AM  
So, who is better for Lousiana- Jindal or Vitter?

Depends.
 
2014-08-27 09:57:03 AM  

James!: Suing Obama is the latest fad. It'll pass and next it will be those sunglasses that are just plastic strips.


For people so fixated on tort reform, they sure do like to resort to lawsuits when they don't get their way don't they?
 
2014-08-27 10:28:31 AM  

Diogenes: Nabb1: One caveat: Jindal and Vitter hate each other's guts. If Jindal said the sky was blue, Vitter would say we need to change the color.

Well that's a juicy bit of gossip.  I like it!  Is it personal or over something specific like a policy?


Here's an article that discusses it in some detail. Sounds like Vitter upstaged Jindal back in 2007 and Jindal never quite got over it.
 
2014-08-27 10:28:43 AM  

vernonFL: So, who is better for Lousiana- Jindal or Vitter?

Depends.


It's kinda sad, but Sen. Depends might actually be better - he's actually shown some ability to work with Democrats on some issues. Not, you know, a lot, but better than what Jindal has shown.

That said since he's in Louisiana, we don't actually hear anything about Jindal unless he says something stupid.
 
2014-08-27 10:30:36 AM  

Diogenes: James!: Suing Obama is the latest fad. It'll pass and next it will be those sunglasses that are just plastic strips.

For people so fixated on tort reform, they sure do like to resort to lawsuits when they don't get their way don't they?


They couldn't get the presidency and only managed to stalemate congress so they're turning to the courts. Those damn activist judges.
 
2014-08-27 10:32:03 AM  
Can't we just rename Common Core to The Freedom Standard, change nothing else, and finally move on?
 
2014-08-27 10:32:09 AM  
No Jindal thread would be complete without this:
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2014-08-27 10:34:30 AM  
If he succeeds think what else we can be rid of? Helmet laws and 21-year old drinking  ages come to mind.
 
2014-08-27 10:36:02 AM  
I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.
 
2014-08-27 10:38:12 AM  

SurfaceTension: Diogenes: Nabb1: One caveat: Jindal and Vitter hate each other's guts. If Jindal said the sky was blue, Vitter would say we need to change the color.

Well that's a juicy bit of gossip.  I like it!  Is it personal or over something specific like a policy?

Here's an article that discusses it in some detail. Sounds like Vitter upstaged Jindal back in 2007 and Jindal never quite got over it.


Wow.  I'm sure these situations are fairly common.  But it really does make me think of good LA political drama.
 
2014-08-27 10:39:30 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


For much the same reason people think Michelle's suggestion that kids put down the Twinkie is worse than Naziism.
 
2014-08-27 11:27:24 AM  
We should go back to the education standards of the Founding Fathers.

White males get an education.

/many people did not believe that Frederick Douglass was actually black, since it was impossible for a black man to be so educated.
 
2014-08-27 11:32:14 AM  

Diogenes: James!: Suing Obama is the latest fad. It'll pass and next it will be those sunglasses that are just plastic strips.

For people so fixated on tort reform, they sure do like to resort to lawsuits when they don't get their way don't they?


It was a bunch of lawyers that came up with the idea of pushing tort reform. That alone should make people distrust it immensely.
 
2014-08-27 11:33:20 AM  

vernonFL: We should go back to the education standards of the Founding Fathers.

White males get an education.

/many people did not believe that Frederick Douglass was actually black, since it was impossible for a black man to be so educated.


Actually IIRC they didn't dispute that he was black, but they didn't believe he had been a slave.
 
2014-08-27 11:33:27 AM  
NCLB is still acceptable, though.
 
2014-08-27 11:34:00 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


For the right, the hate comes from the inability to write "Because god says so" for any answer.
 
2014-08-27 11:34:27 AM  

stpauler: No Jindal thread would be complete without this:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 501x272]


Is that one of those fake founding father like quote?
 
2014-08-27 11:36:06 AM  
Jindal  Republican: The way things have always worked are wrong when used for things I don't like


well said. and True.
 
2014-08-27 11:36:12 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: He's been a below average governor of backwards state and yet we still regularly get headlines on the stupid shiat he says and does... so mission accomplished?


They're still trying to push him as a viable candidate for 2016. Mostly because he's caramel colored or a shade darker.
 
2014-08-27 11:36:27 AM  

Walker: [warosu.org image 680x473]


I think that quote in this context should be "STOP LIKING WHAT I USED TO LIKE".
 
2014-08-27 11:37:17 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


The issue is that Common Core requires students to think. It's not good enough to just have an answer. Now you have to explain your answer and defend your answer. You are also supposed to be able to critique other people's arguments.

Now let's imagine that Common Core works and we have a bunch of people who are able to think critically...  What do you think will happen to the GOP if people actually stop and think about how stupid they sound when they repeat GOP talking points?

In short, the reason the GOP is against this is because they need to keep people ignorant, or they will stop voting for them.
 
2014-08-27 11:38:21 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


They were for it before they were against it, and now that someone can score points against the President by using inflammatory rhetoric, they will.
 
2014-08-27 11:39:56 AM  

Diogenes: Nabb1: One caveat: Jindal and Vitter hate each other's guts. If Jindal said the sky was blue, Vitter would say we need to change the color.

Well that's a juicy bit of gossip.  I like it!  Is it personal or over something specific like a policy?


More likely than not, it's over Vitter potentially hiring prostitutes while married since Jindal is a hardcore Catholic.
 
2014-08-27 11:41:01 AM  
*rolls eyes*

Another GOP All-Star.
 
2014-08-27 11:42:32 AM  
a57.foxnews.comUmm is that a volcano on the screen in the background?
 
2014-08-27 11:42:38 AM  
Jindal, dismayed at having lost in the Legislature, is now turning to the unelected activist judges in the Judicial branch to help him out?

I've read this script before. It's a more played-out story than the Scorcher series.

// "Who left the fridge open?"
 
2014-08-27 11:43:19 AM  

keylock71: *rolls eyes*

Another GOP All-Star.


Keep in mind this is the guy who, in the wake of the shellacking the party took in the 2012 elections, said that the GOP needed to "stop being the stupid party." Doesn't inspire much confidence, eh?
 
2014-08-27 11:44:43 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: stpauler: No Jindal thread would be complete without this:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 501x272]

Is that one of those fake founding father like quote?


It's a stretch.

The actual quote that got people in a tizzy?

""We still place far too much emphasis on our 'separateness,' our heritage, ethnic background, skin color, etc. We live in the age of hyphenated Americans: Asian-Americans, Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Indian-Americans, and Native Americans, to name just a few. Here's an idea: How about just 'Americans?' That has a nice ring to it, if you ask me. Placing undue emphasis on our 'separateness' is a step backward. Bring back the melting pot. There is nothing wrong with people being proud of their different heritages. We have a long tradition of folks from all different backgrounds incorporating their traditions into the American experience, but we must resist the politically correct trend of changing the melting pot into a salad bowl. E pluribus Unum." "
 
2014-08-27 11:45:59 AM  
Jindal: "Common Core is the latest effort by big government disciples to strip away state rights and put Washington, D.C., in control of everything."

Louisiana has been in control of its own education system for quite a while (not counting that integration thing a few decades back) and look how shiatty a job they've done.  Maybe they've had a long enough time to get it right and proven that they just can't do it.

Maybe Louisiana shouldn't be in control of their education.
 
2014-08-27 11:47:31 AM  
Is this a taxpayer-funded political stunt or is he paying for it himself?
 
2014-08-27 11:48:07 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


1) It is change. People irrationally hate change.

2) Parents don't understand it or the material.

3) Democrats support it.

And those will cover most of it.
 
2014-08-27 11:50:38 AM  

edmo: If he succeeds think what else we can be rid of? Helmet laws and 21-year old drinking  ages come to mind.


I get the latter but am unsure of how the former applies.

/Colorado
//no helmet law
 
2014-08-27 11:51:27 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


Stickin' i to the libs, man. Stickin' it to the libs.

"The Common Core standards are math and English benchmarks describing what students should know after completing each grade. They were developed by states to allow comparison of students' performance.  "

I'm actually surprise that fox news would print what Common Core actually is, instead of what fox news followers tend to think what it is. Best one I've read is that by setting a national "floor", Obama effectively destroys American Exceptionalism in schools, because if everyone knows the same stuff, then everyone is equal, therefore no one is exceptional.

Leave it to conservatives to base their arguments around villain scheme of Synergy from The Incredibles.
 
2014-08-27 11:52:28 AM  
Being from Colorado, I understand and appreciate the States Rights issue.

That being said, AFAIK, Common Core is a MINIMUM standard, noting in it says that they states can't do MORE than the minimum, which makes me believe that those who object to CC want to LOWER their standards even further than they already are, which as we know from US student achievement testing is pretty much bottom of the motherhumping barrel.  Why anyone in politics would come out and say "let us NOT educate our kids to a reasonable standard" is utterly beyond me.  That such a person represents a viable candidate is shocking.

which says a whole lot about our educational standards in the USA, we don't kneed know books smart....
 
2014-08-27 11:52:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


They used to like Common Core.  It was originally thought up by the National Governor's Association and most people were all for it.  But then Obama started supporting it and got his cooties all over it - so it became and evil and oppressive plan hatched to indoctrinate your children and gayify them.

See also: Romneycare.
 
2014-08-27 11:53:01 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.


In my experience most people don't hate common core. They hate the incorrect information they have been given about common core.
 
2014-08-27 11:55:17 AM  

Aquapope: Jindal: "Common Core is the latest effort by big government disciples to strip away state rights and put Washington, D.C., in control of everything."

Louisiana has been in control of its own education system for quite a while (not counting that integration thing a few decades back) and look how shiatty a job they've done.  Maybe they've had a long enough time to get it right and proven that they just can't do it.

Maybe Louisiana shouldn't be in control of their education.


Oh man, that reminds me of a story from my kid's school.

I'm involved with the Parent/Teacher Org. there.  We had some transplant from Arkansas that was appalled we have 300 or so kids, and only 10 parents showing up and 3 teachers out of the 15 or so various teachers and teachers aides.  He said something about how in Arkansas, people care about their kid's education, and his kid's old school had nearly every parent involved, so much so they used the gym and not the library because that many people cared.  Someone quipped "Hasn't helped Arkansas raise its education standards much, has it?".  Needless to say, he didn't keep his kids there long.

The people against common core around here are also upset the new science textbook excludes creationism too.
 
2014-08-27 11:59:39 AM  

jst3p: Nadie_AZ: I still can't grasp why people irrationally hate Common Core.

In my experience most people don't hate common core. They hate the incorrect information they have been given about common core.


Incorrect Information #1: Common Core is a curriculum.
 
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