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(Action A Go-Go) Video The first rule of cinematography is you don't talk about cinematography. Wait, no, that's Fight Club. You can talk about cinematography. That's fine. Especially if you're David Fincher cause he's, you know, real good at it   (actionagogo.com) divider line 34
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2014-08-28 12:04:15 AM  
If Fincher made a dog food commercial, I'd watch that, too. Love his style.
 
2014-08-28 02:05:33 AM  
Jeff Cronenweth, Harris Savides, Alex Thomson, Darius Khondji, Conrad Hall and Claudio MIranda frown on subby.
 
2014-08-28 03:44:05 AM  
Subby HAS to be trolling.
 
2014-08-28 05:18:01 AM  
Love the guys style in all his movies. Enjoyed the hell out of a perfect circles video for judith and it all made sense when I saw who directed it.
 
2014-08-28 06:59:02 AM  
I love Fincher, he's one of the directors whose movies I make it a point to watch. But I'm calling it now, she's alive. She faked her own death and framed her husband.
 
2014-08-28 09:05:34 AM  
That was kind of rambling but yeah, the guy can shoot a movie. Alien 3 was crap but the atmosphere and lighting elevated it. This isn't exactly cinematography but the scene in Fight Club  when the bomb in the oven was explained was an excellent use of cgi. The "camera" moved through the pipes and wires in the stove and everything looked realistic, except you couldn't move an actual camera inside an oven but you don't really think about that. That's the best kind of FX.
 
2014-08-28 09:07:34 AM  
One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing. The movie isn't Oscar material but it's entertaining. Plus you have a lineup of top actors in the movie.
 
2014-08-28 09:26:08 AM  

skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing. The movie isn't Oscar material but it's entertaining. Plus you have a lineup of top actors in the movie.


It's more popularity backlash. Ya know, "See this cool thing that everyone loves? It sucks!" That combined with a healthy dose of "Stop liking what I don't like!"
 
2014-08-28 09:27:21 AM  

skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing. The movie isn't Oscar material but it's entertaining. Plus you have a lineup of top actors in the movie.


I think it's Oscar material. Maybe best picture of 1999, a year of really good films. It flopped financially, some studio suits got fired over it, it probably couldn't be made today but it was a great film.
 
2014-08-28 09:28:46 AM  

skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing.

It's one of those movies that resonates with you at a certain age.  Then you grow up.  XKCD portrayed it as a fond memory you don't want to ruin by analyzing it.

As for talking about cinematography, one of the more surprising aspects of the AVGN movie was that reverse-engineering the scenes became part of the entertainment (Rolfe has said this was his intention).  He seemed quite comfortable with the B-movie production quality, but I was pleasantly surprised that he didn't merely aim for pure camp factor (though I don't think the movie could accommodate any more camp).  It ranged from blatantly obvious to, "OK, that was cheesy, but how the fark did they do that?"
 
2014-08-28 09:41:44 AM  

dragonchild: It's one of those movies that resonates with you at a certain age.  Then you grow up.  XKCD portrayed it as a fond memory you don't want to ruin by analyzing it.


1999 was the year when all these movies came out about guys in nice white collar jobs and lives they thought sucked. Fight Club, American Beauty, Office Space, even The Matrix, they all hated their lives because they had jobs that today people would say, STFU and GBTW, pussies. Fight Club was the best of them.
 
2014-08-28 09:44:39 AM  

PizzaJedi81: It's more popularity backlash. Ya know, "See this cool thing that everyone loves? It sucks!"

The movie lost money.  How could it suffer from popularity backlash?

I have my own theory and it's that this film (among others like Pulp Fiction, Memento and Citizen Kane) has a cult following in the worst sense.  "Cult movie" these days generally refers to movies with a niche following, but I mean Fight Club has fanatical fans who think it's such awesomeness they're genuinely inspired by this movie.  It's OK to like a movie but nobody merely likes Fight Club.  They hate it, are meh about it or they are creating real fight clubs in their parents' basements while they daydream about tearing down society by its bricks.

I find Fight Club, Pulp Fiction et. al. to be intriguing movies -- they're creative, and the world is better with these sorts of films shaking up the endless cynical parade of romcoms, action flicks, formulaic horror and kids' animation.  They break ground, feature ideas and cinematic visualizations people hadn't seen before, influence future works.  But if partly because of their sheer ambition, they're also quite flawed, which makes them excellent food for thought and engaging debate.  But any actual effort to debate such films in public is invariably compromised by the annoying, insufferable cults that adamantly declare their favorite movies beyond any reproach.  It gets really annoying after a while, and eventually that hate gets transferred to the movie itself.
 
2014-08-28 09:56:01 AM  

Mugato: American Beauty, Office Space, even The Matrix, they all hated their lives because they had jobs that today people would say, STFU and GBTW, pussies.
The Matrix

just used an office job as a launch pad; it's analogous to Luke Skywalker's tedious days on a moisture farm.

Otherwise it's rather difficult for me to compare all these movies because they had such different approaches, but I think Fight Club, The Matrix and Office Space were all very effective in being the movies they wanted to be.  Not perfect, but there are few if any perfect movies out there.  American Beauty is GenX's The Graduate.  It's a terrible movie with a terrible plot and a terrible message that resonates with terrible people so of course it was hailed as one of the best movies ever made.  30 years later (so, 2029) someone is going to revisit it (like Roger Ebert did with The Graduate) and declare all of us nuts, and that message will be as right as it is overdue.
 
2014-08-28 10:22:10 AM  

Mugato: skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing. The movie isn't Oscar material but it's entertaining. Plus you have a lineup of top actors in the movie.

I think it's Oscar material. Maybe best picture of 1999, a year of really good films. It flopped financially, some studio suits got fired over it, it probably couldn't be made today but it was a great film.


It flopped theatrically, but didn't it become one of the highest selling DVDs in Fox history?
 
2014-08-28 10:52:32 AM  

dragonchild: American Beauty is GenX's The Graduate


Well I think Kevin Spacey was a little older than Gen X. Office Space was more Gen X. I was a programmer just out of college when Office Space came out and I thought everything looked genuine except programmers getting laid off, like that could ever happen. Then two years later I got laid off. Best thing for me, really.

stoli n coke: It flopped theatrically, but didn't it become one of the highest selling DVDs in Fox history?


Did it? It was a really good DVD, like in terms of the extras and stuff for the time so someone had some faith in it.
 
2014-08-28 11:03:06 AM  

Mugato: dragonchild: It's one of those movies that resonates with you at a certain age.  Then you grow up.  XKCD portrayed it as a fond memory you don't want to ruin by analyzing it.

1999 was the year when all these movies came out about guys in nice white collar jobs and lives they thought sucked. Fight Club, American Beauty, Office Space, even The Matrix, they all hated their lives because they had jobs that today people would say, STFU and GBTW, pussies. Fight Club was the best of them.


This.
 
2014-08-28 11:16:35 AM  

Mugato: Well I think Kevin Spacey was a little older than Gen X. Office Space was more Gen X.

I wanna take the "Gen X" bit back.  American Beauty was aimed at the inane of all ages from HS to mid-life crisis.  The teens' stories were aimed at Gen X; I was early 20s at the time.

It's still a horrible movie elevated to god tier because it resonates with superficial suburban yuppies.
 
2014-08-28 11:22:01 AM  

dragonchild: It's still a horrible movie elevated to god tier because it resonates with superficial suburban yuppies.


Yeah, the "woe is me, I'm a white collar white person" movies of the 90s, while I like most of them as movies do have a STFU aspect to them. But American Beauty was pretentious bullshiat.
 
2014-08-28 11:24:38 AM  

Mugato: American Beauty


What I think of any time someone mentions that movie:

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/and that's for being really weird!
 
2014-08-28 11:29:48 AM  

dragonchild: skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing.
It's one of those movies that resonates with you at a certain age.  Then you grow up.  XKCD portrayed it as a fond memory you don't want to ruin by analyzing it.

As for talking about cinematography, one of the more surprising aspects of the AVGN movie was that reverse-engineering the scenes became part of the entertainment (Rolfe has said this was his intention).  He seemed quite comfortable with the B-movie production quality, but I was pleasantly surprised that he didn't merely aim for pure camp factor (though I don't think the movie could accommodate any more camp).  It ranged from blatantly obvious to, "OK, that was cheesy, but how the fark did they do that?"


I just remember that the DVD was fantastic.  It really was a filmschool in a DVD box.  They walked you through every shot composition, how they did certain effects, why things were framed a certain way.  It was fantastic.

And now, I might watch Fight Club tonight.
 
2014-08-28 11:33:43 AM  

aedude01: just remember that the DVD was fantastic.  It really was a filmschool in a DVD box.  They walked you through every shot composition, how they did certain effects, why things were framed a certain way.  It was fantastic.


Yeah, like I said it was one of the first really well made DVDs with extras and behind the scenes stuff. Actually did teach me some thing before film school. They're not going to do that sort of thing for much longer now that everything's streaming.
 
2014-08-28 11:57:17 AM  

Mugato: aedude01: just remember that the DVD was fantastic.  It really was a filmschool in a DVD box.  They walked you through every shot composition, how they did certain effects, why things were framed a certain way.  It was fantastic.

Yeah, like I said it was one of the first really well made DVDs with extras and behind the scenes stuff. Actually did teach me some thing before film school. They're not going to do that sort of thing for much longer now that everything's streaming.


There's the occasional gem in the DVD bin.  Not that many these days though.
 
2014-08-28 01:09:36 PM  
Big Fincher fan, I think this is a really underrated movie:

bahadiricel.files.wordpress.com

This is a really good movie too:

i.imgur.com

I really hope he directs The Girl Who Played With Fire, but that whole project seems to be kind of in development hell. I never want to see Se7en again, I still have nightmares about certain scenes. The only movie of his I didn't like was The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, so not a bad record for him.

/His Janie's Got A Gun video for Aerosmith is excellent
 
2014-08-28 01:45:48 PM  
I don't think the guy gets enough credit for The Game. That is a fantastic movie, and I was so happy when Criterion released a proper Blu-Ray, because it never got a respectable DVD treatment.
 
2014-08-28 01:53:46 PM  

aedude01: Mugato: aedude01: just remember that the DVD was fantastic.  It really was a filmschool in a DVD box.  They walked you through every shot composition, how they did certain effects, why things were framed a certain way.  It was fantastic.

Yeah, like I said it was one of the first really well made DVDs with extras and behind the scenes stuff. Actually did teach me some thing before film school. They're not going to do that sort of thing for much longer now that everything's streaming.

There's the occasional gem in the DVD bin.  Not that many these days though.


As much as everyone hates Best Buy, they are great for going in and cleaning up in the bargain bin DVDs/BluRays.

Most people don't buy good stuff, so they get relegated to that bin for cheap. I just got Fargo, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, LA Confidential, The Player, and The Professional, all fancy edition BluRays, for like $40 from Best Buy.

/Shakes tiny fist at Henry Holland
 
2014-08-28 02:35:39 PM  
I agree with the Fincher love.  All but The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, gawd that was a dull piece of crap.  I guess it's the exception that proves the rule.

It WAS pretty though.
 
2014-08-28 02:37:29 PM  

NateAsbestos: As much as everyone hates Best Buy, they are great for going in and cleaning up in the bargain bin DVDs/BluRays.


Unfortunately, that's about ALL they're good for.
 
2014-08-28 03:41:57 PM  

PizzaJedi81: NateAsbestos: As much as everyone hates Best Buy, they are great for going in and cleaning up in the bargain bin DVDs/BluRays.

Unfortunately, that's about ALL they're good for.


Well it also serves as a nice showroom for Amazon.

But yeah, they are largely useless.
 
2014-08-28 03:43:43 PM  
Also, I'm not even kidding when I say the DVD for The Game was the worst DVD ever.

Not the movie, which is of course great, but how the DVD was produced/mastered/whatever. It had awful video and sound quality. It was Widescreen... INSIDE a 4:3 box, so most of the screen was lost to black boxes. It was disgraceful.
 
2014-08-28 03:58:28 PM  

NateAsbestos: Also, I'm not even kidding when I say the DVD for The Game was the worst DVD ever.

Not the movie, which is of course great, but how the DVD was produced/mastered/whatever. It had awful video and sound quality. It was Widescreen... INSIDE a 4:3 box, so most of the screen was lost to black boxes. It was disgraceful.


LOL  Haven't had a 4:3 tv since 2005.  Come, join us in the new century.

Related:  We had a white elephant exchange at Christmas last year and I got a 4:3 copy of Anchorman.  Was really surprised that they still sold 4:3 encoded DVDs.  Sadly, nobody took that one from me.  :(
 
2014-08-28 04:18:50 PM  

stoli n coke: Mugato: skinink: One of my favorite movies is Fight Club. That movie seems to get a lot more hate than worse movies out there which is confusing. The movie isn't Oscar material but it's entertaining. Plus you have a lineup of top actors in the movie.

I think it's Oscar material. Maybe best picture of 1999, a year of really good films. It flopped financially, some studio suits got fired over it, it probably couldn't be made today but it was a great film.

It flopped theatrically, but didn't it become one of the highest selling DVDs in Fox history?


Also, the original DVD is far better than the Blu-ray release. The menus of that DVD were a perfect extension of the film. Sure, the Blu-ray has a slightly better picture, but those menus (and Tyler Durden's laughter) are missed.
 
2014-08-28 07:54:12 PM  

PluckYew: NateAsbestos: Also, I'm not even kidding when I say the DVD for The Game was the worst DVD ever.

Not the movie, which is of course great, but how the DVD was produced/mastered/whatever. It had awful video and sound quality. It was Widescreen... INSIDE a 4:3 box, so most of the screen was lost to black boxes. It was disgraceful.

LOL  Haven't had a 4:3 tv since 2005.  Come, join us in the new century.

Related:  We had a white elephant exchange at Christmas last year and I got a 4:3 copy of Anchorman.  Was really surprised that they still sold 4:3 encoded DVDs.  Sadly, nobody took that one from me.  :(


It wasn't my TV. The DVD was not anamorphic (or whatever the word is). The movie itself was 16:9, but framed in a 4:3 box on the video data on the DVD... played on a 16:9 screen. So (without doing the math) something like 70% of the screen was black.

You could do the "zoom" thing TVs allow but it was still such crappy video quality it was almost better to watch it zoomed out.
 
2014-08-28 08:05:53 PM  
So I got bored and DID do the math... I guess in that setup the actual movie was using 5/9ths of the screen (about 56%, for 44% wasted space).

That was also only when the movie filled its 16:9 area.... remember all the home movie scenes during The Game? Those were shown in 4:3... inside a 16:9 frame... inside a 4:3 frame... on a 16:9 TV.

What I'm getting at here is the DVD release was a tragedy. Get the Criterion BluRay.
 
2014-08-28 10:12:23 PM  

NateAsbestos: I don't think the guy gets enough credit for The Game. That is a fantastic movie, and I was so happy when Criterion released a proper Blu-Ray, because it never got a respectable DVD treatment.


The Game was entertaining, but requires you to flip the brain kill switch going in.
 
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