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(New Zealand Herald)   Not news: The New Zealand Transport Agency says 2681 vehicles were registered last month. News: As ambulances. Fark: The two ambulance services in the area only have 705 registered ambulances among them   (nzherald.co.nz) divider line 35
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2014-08-27 10:07:25 AM
*checks local regulations*

Damn.
 
2014-08-27 11:22:05 AM
Subby sure blew the headline, left out "registered as ambulances" because by the headline itself nothing seems awry
 
2014-08-27 11:22:44 AM

CruJones: Subby sure blew the headline, left out "registered as ambulances" because by the headline itself nothing seems awry


Damn it, need coffee, it's early here on the left coast.

Carry on, I retract all snark
 
2014-08-27 11:26:11 AM
OMG some people are taking advantage of a bureaucratic loophole.  Call an whambulance at once!
 
2014-08-27 11:28:34 AM

CruJones: the left coast.


*pat-pat*
 
2014-08-27 11:29:50 AM
Sounds like the regulatory agency could simply go after a bunch of the people.  A couple million in fines is nothing to sniff at, especially if we're talking about thousands of obviously fraudulent registrations.
 
2014-08-27 11:30:18 AM
Shouldn't they have some paperwork to prove they will be used as an ambulance?
 
2014-08-27 11:31:45 AM
whew!   that is why i'm so grateful to live in a Nation that has honest, decent people who would never steal anything that wasn't nailed down tight.

USA  #1!
 
2014-08-27 11:31:52 AM

beefoe: OMG some people are taking advantage of a bureaucratic loophole.  Call an whambulance at once!


There are a plethora to choose from.
 
2014-08-27 11:33:55 AM

ani23: Shouldn't they have some paperwork to prove they will be used as an ambulance?



Shhhh!!   damn, man, keep that on the down low.  you don't want to ruin everything and close that hole, do you???
 
2014-08-27 11:36:05 AM
Wooohoo, Hamilton is number two!

H-Town represent!

/Boy racers with ambulances is a terrifying thought.
 
2014-08-27 11:36:22 AM
Rort.
 
2014-08-27 11:44:50 AM

CruJones: Subby sure blew the headline, left out "registered as ambulances" because by the headline itself nothing seems awry


among/between
 
2014-08-27 11:46:29 AM

ani23: Shouldn't they have some paperwork to prove they will be used as an ambulance?


The blood on the floor should be sufficient.
 
2014-08-27 11:49:23 AM

dryknife: Rort.


^
 
2014-08-27 11:49:24 AM

State_College_Arsonist: Sounds like the regulatory agency could simply go after a bunch of the people.  A couple million in fines is nothing to sniff at, especially if we're talking about thousands of obviously fraudulent registrations.


The maximum fine is $1,000 and there are 1976 not-ambulances. $2 million is not a lot of money and they'd definitely spend more than that trying to get the money from people. Since the vehicles are already registered I suspect they'd have to prove that they aren't ambulances. Much easier to start enforcing the rules that require proof at registration.
 
2014-08-27 11:58:54 AM
FTFT: But St John and the Wellington Free Ambulance services have only 705 registered ambulances between them - meaning up to 1976 private vehicles could be falsely registered.

I think I have found one:
www.hireatardis.com

i256.photobucket.com

www.doctorwhotv.co.uk
 
2014-08-27 12:10:37 PM
Governments are weird twaddle for which, apparently, there is no cure ..
 
2014-08-27 12:18:05 PM
Do they know what type of vehicle is being registered? It shouldn't be too hard to prove a Honda Civic isn't being used as an ambulance? Or is everyone registering their vans as ambulances? Or do they not ask what type of car is being registered?
 
2014-08-27 12:26:57 PM

dryknife: Rort.


Yeah - what?
 
2014-08-27 12:36:21 PM

Linux_Yes: whew!   that is why i'm so grateful to live in a Nation that has honest, decent people who would never steal anything that wasn't nailed down tight.
USA  #1!


Nails only slow people down a tad.
 
2014-08-27 12:41:24 PM
With a helpful picture of what an ambulance looks like on LSD
 
2014-08-27 01:02:21 PM
How do you even do that? I'm going to have to ask a few Kiwi Paramedics I know.

In the United States, a separate physical board licenses ambulances than the body that issues license plates. They have to be physically inspected, and meet certain standards.
 
2014-08-27 01:25:28 PM
Relax.  That's just how the US Government registers the vehicles that it leases to deliver the mind-control chemicals used to convince Kiwi MPs to extradite Kim Dotcom.
 
2014-08-27 01:30:41 PM

hardinparamedic: How do you even do that? I'm going to have to ask a few Kiwi Paramedics I know.

In the United States, a separate physical board licenses ambulances than the body that issues license plates. They have to be physically inspected, and meet certain standards.


In New Zealand there is car registration, where you just fill out the paperwork and present it, and it's done. Then there is licensing which is done regularly to ensure the car is safe to drive. I think they're doing this at the registration part, and then doing the licensing as if it's just a regular vehicle. So they get the discounts when registering, but don't have to go through all the extra standards regular ambulances do. So it's not as if they could actually use their vehicle as an ambulance. 

Though maybe they are doing it in licensing. I know a lot of shops are shady. My (now ex) fiancee had our car licensed without ever bringing it in, because it would have failed. She knew the guy who ran the shop and just paid the fee and he gave her the right things. So perhaps these are people who know the right people.

/My understanding may be off, I never dealt with the car stuff......
 
2014-08-27 01:52:34 PM
rort
Australian informal
a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice.
 
2014-08-27 02:09:45 PM

Abuse Liability: beefoe: OMG some people are taking advantage of a bureaucratic loophole.  Call an whambulance at once!

There are a plethora to choose from.



cdn1.membean.com

"Abuse, what is a plethora?"
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-27 02:52:58 PM
Boston figured out how to deal with registration abuse.

In Boston commercial vehicles are exempt from some parking rules. If you hire a plumber to work on your Back Bay condo he's not going to be able to park if he follows the law. So the city said commercial vehicles can park in resident permit only spaces, as a favor to residents who needed deliveries and contractors. Originally commercial plates were enough. So people paid extra for commercial plates for their cars and got free parking. The city closed the loophole by requiring vehicles using the commercial exemption to display the name of the company in large, permanent letters on the side.
 
2014-08-27 05:09:36 PM

lilfry14: Do they know what type of vehicle is being registered? It shouldn't be too hard to prove a Honda Civic isn't being used as an ambulance? Or is everyone registering their vans as ambulances? Or do they not ask what type of car is being registered?


Well depends on if they have the health care system where the doctor is brought to you, then a Civic could do the job.  My Expedition is red, maybe I could try for a Fire Chief's vehicle.  It would be nice to run through traffic once in a while, and have a good excuse for the axe in the back.
 
2014-08-27 05:16:28 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The maximum fine is $1,000 and there are 1976 not-ambulances. $2 million is not a lot of money and they'd definitely spend more than that trying to get the money from people. Since the vehicles are already registered I suspect they'd have to prove that they aren't ambulances. Much easier to start enforcing the rules that require proof at registration.


Come on.  I bet that I could recoup at least $500k simply by sending out a mass mailer to every registrant that obviously isn't an ambulance.  Just point out the fraud and make a very simple one-time offer that involves paying the full normal registration and a fine on top.  If they don't pay, escalate to the in-house staff that normally deal with fraudulent activity.  This isn't exactly rocket science.
 
2014-08-27 05:48:59 PM
A Cambridge University academic I know registered his car as a minicab - and got himself the necessary licence - because it lets him drive in all sorts of otherwise forbidden places in the city centre.
 
2014-08-27 08:07:51 PM

marius2: Then there is licensing which is done regularly to ensure the car is safe to drive.


Not quite.  You're thinking of warranting (warrant of fitness), not licensing.  And yeah, the car is required to be inspected for that so if someone's giving out WoFs without seeing the car, they are well bent.

Licensing, which is what this is about, is just the where you go pay your fee to be allowed to drive the car on the road (a large chunk of that fee being ACC levy).

lilfry14: Do they know what type of vehicle is being registered? It shouldn't be too hard to prove a Honda Civic isn't being used as an ambulance? Or is everyone registering their vans as ambulances? Or do they not ask what type of car is being registered?


The license sticker has the car make/model/year on it, so you'd think so.  But you can do the re-licensing online so humans won't actually be checking them.  They need to put in place a system where all ambulance licenses are manually checked by someone before approval.

And, to be clear, there are legitimately "normal" cars registered as ambulances.  Mostly they're station wagons.
 
2014-08-27 08:45:27 PM

if_i_really_have_to: marius2: Then there is licensing which is done regularly to ensure the car is safe to drive.

Not quite.  You're thinking of warranting (warrant of fitness), not licensing.  And yeah, the car is required to be inspected for that so if someone's giving out WoFs without seeing the car, they are well bent.

Licensing, which is what this is about, is just the where you go pay your fee to be allowed to drive the car on the road (a large chunk of that fee being ACC levy).


Ah, okay, thanks for the info. Yeah, I never was the one dealing with the car stuff. I preferred to walk everywhere anyway :P
 
2014-08-27 10:26:04 PM
 
2014-08-27 11:56:40 PM
This would make perfect sense in Australia since everything there is trying to kill you and your car will one day provide life saving transport to you after you've been stung, bitten, or attacked by God knows what. Since Australia and NZ are actually the same place, I'm okay with this.
 
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