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2014-08-26 07:48:37 PM  
Dissatisfaction isn't the same as hate. What is there to hate about Acura? They are nondescript luxury/near luxury Hondas sold at a premium price. It's like hating upmarket Wonder Bread.

I can see why people would be dissatisfied, though, because they thought that getting into an Acura would make them look like they've made it. Once upon a time that might have been true. Now they're getting into the most generic upscale car in the world. Who turns their heads at an Acura? Nobody. Yet that's what the buyers are looking for, same as BMW, Mercedes, and other luxury drivers are looking for, affirmation that they're something special.
 
2014-08-26 07:53:13 PM  
You can sell turds if you have quality customer support.
 
2014-08-26 08:07:10 PM  
Those seem to be relatively small differences in the index.  Might be statistically significant, but I wonder how meaningful those numbers are.
 
2014-08-26 08:18:53 PM  

bronyaur1: Those seem to be relatively small differences in the index.  Might be statistically significant, but I wonder how meaningful those numbers are.


plus the "least satisfied" chart is upside down, making it look like cadillac and BMW are at the bottom when they are in fact the top of the bottom.
 
2014-08-26 08:29:23 PM  
Neat, a Wednesday thread on Tuesday.  I really didn't post this.  It never happened. But it will.
 
2014-08-26 08:33:34 PM  
You mean outrageously overpriced Honda Accords don't live up to expectations?
 
2014-08-26 08:49:33 PM  
If you own a Mercedes, your relationship with your car may be something akin to love (admit it, you've gazed longingly at that finely engineered machine).

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-26 09:20:40 PM  
According to this article Fords don't exist?
 
2014-08-26 09:24:11 PM  
Subaru is number 2. That's fine and all. Good for them. But their damn owners don't have to be so smug about it.
 
2014-08-26 09:37:20 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: According to this article Fords don't exist?


You can find them

on
road
dead
 
2014-08-26 09:39:50 PM  
I used to love Acuras. My mom and sister both had one. My uncle had one and let me drive it when I had my permit.

But I really don't notice them around anymore. I'm sure they're there...I just don't see them.
 
2014-08-26 09:54:43 PM  
Honda has been on the decline since the 1998-2002 generation of their cars.  I'm not surprised, but really?  I'd figure that Ford would take the cake.
 
2014-08-26 10:20:47 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dissatisfaction isn't the same as hate. What is there to hate about Acura? They are nondescript luxury/near luxury Hondas sold at a premium price. It's like hating upmarket Wonder Bread.

I can see why people would be dissatisfied, though, because they thought that getting into an Acura would make them look like they've made it. Once upon a time that might have been true. Now they're getting into the most generic upscale car in the world. Who turns their heads at an Acura? Nobody. Yet that's what the buyers are looking for, same as BMW, Mercedes, and other luxury drivers are looking for, affirmation that they're something special.


Acura's problem is the same as Lincoln's - everything they make is based in some way on a Honda product.  Sure, the interiors are nicer, and there are some exclusive options, but it puts Acura against the likes of Buick more than the dedicated luxury brands.

Lexus may make their bread and butter with the ES and RX which are just fancy Toyotas, but having the IS, LS, and GS in the lineup gives them more credibility as a luxury brand.

Acura and Lincoln both need a dedicated platform, preferably something full size and RWD based, that can serve as a halo for the lineup - something that people see and realize is special, and associate with the brand even when they're just buying the $399 lease special based on the mass market sedan.
 
2014-08-26 10:28:51 PM  
I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.
 
2014-08-26 10:29:01 PM  
Acura?

www.pmslweb.com
 
2014-08-26 10:37:59 PM  
Duesenberg?
 
2014-08-26 10:53:05 PM  
Mazda has been making the best cars for at least a decade.
 
2014-08-26 10:55:12 PM  
Catey Hill looks like the chick who gave me a blowie after a roller rink date in 1994, but dumber.
 
2014-08-26 10:55:43 PM  

MNguy: Mazda has been making the best cars for at least a decade.


They have a very limited lineup, because they are relatively small. What they do is good though, especially for the price. If the new MS3 is available with both FWD with an LSD or AWD, I think they will have a huge winner.
 
2014-08-26 11:05:58 PM  

HawgWild: Subaru is number 2. That's fine and all. Good for them. But their damn owners don't have to be so smug about it.


I was recently shopping for a new car. I tested a couple new Scoobies but ran into a hiccup. My wife won't drive a manual and the Subaru CVT was just a disaster. I wanted to like Subaru but the transmission just killed it for me.

MNguy: Mazda has been making the best cars for at least a decade.


. . .So I bought a Mazda6 instead.
 
2014-08-26 11:12:50 PM  

DanZero: Acura?

[www.pmslweb.com image 450x580]


I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're reading this on a Dell.
 
2014-08-26 11:17:14 PM  

TwistedIvory: HawgWild: Subaru is number 2. That's fine and all. Good for them. But their damn owners don't have to be so smug about it.

I was recently shopping for a new car. I tested a couple new Scoobies but ran into a hiccup. My wife won't drive a manual and the Subaru CVT was just a disaster. I wanted to like Subaru but the transmission just killed it for me.

MNguy: Mazda has been making the best cars for at least a decade.

. . .So I bought a Mazda6 instead.


I had a Protege. Thing ran great but compared to my wife's Toyota Camry, it's not even in the same league (granted, her car is a higher class and twice as much as mine). I gave the Protege to a relative a few years ago, it still works. But as far as some of the non-important stuff? Door locks and windows failed, CD was failing, engine was slowly going, some of the door stripping was beginning to fall off. Don't get me wrong though it's a great car and got good mileage.

Camry has 150k miles on it. Still a total beast, drives great. *knock on wood* Pretty much no major issues since it was purchased. We have a second Toyota now. Again, no major issues, just good stuff.

I would not hesitate to recommend a Toyota at the intersection of reasonable price and quality.
 
2014-08-26 11:28:21 PM  
I think this survey needs some tweaking when the scores range from 86 to 77. There's a chance that the individual scores are not statistically significant at all.
 
2014-08-26 11:30:28 PM  
I'm driving a diesel VW and averaging over 41 mpg.  You'd never know driving it that it's a diesel, and there's no noxious exhaust like old-time diesels.  Got a lot of love for it.
 
2014-08-26 11:32:05 PM  

Demetrius: I'm driving a diesel VW and averaging over 41 mpg.  You'd never know driving it that it's a diesel, and there's no noxious exhaust like old-time diesels.  Got a lot of love for it.


I have heard nothing but excellent things about VW TDI's.
 
2014-08-26 11:47:17 PM  

BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.


the 3 series is great and has been since the 1980s. i drive a 328 sedan and my wife drives a 328xi wagon (both 6-speed manuals). we love the shiat out of them.
 
2014-08-26 11:50:39 PM  

FlashHarry: BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.

the 3 series is great and has been since the 1980s. i drive a 328 sedan and my wife drives a 328xi wagon (both 6-speed manuals). we love the shiat out of them.


Mine is the 8 speed auto. I never got a chance to learn to drive a stick, no one I know owns one. My new 3 has the M Sport package in Estoral Blue, And a bunch of other options, I love it. We are also buying a 320i for my wife, but it is being delivered from AZ, apparently no one here has a red one with the sport package.
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2014-08-27 12:13:14 AM  

BadReligion: FlashHarry: BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.

the 3 series is great and has been since the 1980s. i drive a 328 sedan and my wife drives a 328xi wagon (both 6-speed manuals). we love the shiat out of them.

Mine is the 8 speed auto. I never got a chance to learn to drive a stick, no one I know owns one. My new 3 has the M Sport package in Estoral Blue, And a bunch of other options, I love it. We are also buying a 320i for my wife, but it is being delivered from AZ, apparently no one here has a red one with the sport package.
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I haven't had a chance to drive one of the BMW turbo 4s, but I do question them moving away from the I6 a bit.  BMWs inline 6 engines have always been some of the smoothest engines out there.  I'm sure they can build a great 4 cylinder too, and I've driven some great 4 cylinder cars, but the I6 is a naturally balanced design, something that a 4 cylinder can never be.  Maybe I'd change my mind after some seat time, but I can't help but thinking there has to be some loss of refinement there.
 
2014-08-27 12:17:59 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: BadReligion: FlashHarry: BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.

the 3 series is great and has been since the 1980s. i drive a 328 sedan and my wife drives a 328xi wagon (both 6-speed manuals). we love the shiat out of them.

Mine is the 8 speed auto. I never got a chance to learn to drive a stick, no one I know owns one. My new 3 has the M Sport package in Estoral Blue, And a bunch of other options, I love it. We are also buying a 320i for my wife, but it is being delivered from AZ, apparently no one here has a red one with the sport package.
[i74.photobucket.com image 850x637]

I haven't had a chance to drive one of the BMW turbo 4s, but I do question them moving away from the I6 a bit.  BMWs inline 6 engines have always been some of the smoothest engines out there.  I'm sure they can build a great 4 cylinder too, and I've driven some great 4 cylinder cars, but the I6 is a naturally balanced design, something that a 4 cylinder can never be.  Maybe I'd change my mind after some seat time, but I can't help but thinking there has to be some loss of refinement there.


The turbo 4 is sublime. Quick, instant torque, and smooth. I actually picked it over the I6 turbo, because while I could feel some difference, I could not feel $7000 worth of difference.
 
2014-08-27 12:32:04 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: According to this article Fords don't exist?


Fark that.  I love my Ford truck.  Love, love,  LURVE it.  F-250 Super Duty, bought used, never a day of trouble, it's reliable and solid as a goddamn Tandem server.
 
2014-08-27 12:55:00 AM  
I bought a used Acura RDX, zero problems and it handles snow and ice like a boss.
 
2014-08-27 02:19:24 AM  

BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.


In my experience, a BMW is a great car to drive--when it's not in the shop. I also sorta suspect that Desert BMW on Decatur was playing games with me, but I've no way to prove it. That thing was in the shop every two months for some random thing that went wrong. This was about 10 years ago though. 2001 740i

Meanwhile, my '97 Toyota 4Runner is still chugging away at 220K miles. Very few issues with it.
 
2014-08-27 04:01:37 AM  
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-most-hated-car-company-in-america -is-2014-08-26

o_O

The most hated car company in America is yesterday? What the hell does that mean?
 
2014-08-27 04:05:03 AM  
I think it depends on what dodge you own.  Sure, a Dart, you probably won't be satisfied, nor an avenger, or any of those older platforms.  On the other hand, if you own what I own:

fp.images.autos.msn.com

You're probably very satisfied.
 
2014-08-27 04:17:19 AM  

tiiger: I think it depends on what dodge you own.  Sure, a Dart, you probably won't be satisfied, nor an avenger, or any of those older platforms.  On the other hand, if you own what I own:

[fp.images.autos.msn.com image 380x228]

You're probably very satisfied.


Those "Don't touch my Dart" commercials? Ugh. I like the Dart just fine. But the idea that your friends and neighbors are lusting after it?

Puhleeeze.

(The Challenger is pretty. 99% of the time I'd probably wish I wasn't spending all my money turning gasoline into oomph I don't need. That's the problem with sports cars ... I only want the power occasionally, and sports cars are inefficient 100% of the time)
 
2014-08-27 04:46:43 AM  

basemetal: AlwaysRightBoy: According to this article Fords don't exist?

You can find them

on
road
dead


Those
F******
Only
Run
Downhill
 
2014-08-27 05:27:32 AM  

BadReligion: Demetrius: I'm driving a diesel VW and averaging over 41 mpg.  You'd never know driving it that it's a diesel, and there's no noxious exhaust like old-time diesels.  Got a lot of love for it.

I have heard nothing but excellent things about VW TDI's.


Just bought a diesel Touareg about 2 months ago. I love it. The diesel engine is as quiet as any gasoline engine. I can go  3-4 weeks without filling up now. Makes me realize what a gas hog my Xterra was. I'm sold on diesels now and probably won't go back.
 
2014-08-27 05:30:27 AM  
I don't see Bently or Pagani on that list, so it means very little to me.
 
2014-08-27 05:48:08 AM  
StopLurkListen:
(The Challenger is pretty. 99% of the time I'd probably wish I wasn't spending all my money turning gasoline into oomph I don't need. That's the problem with sports cars ... I only want the power occasionally, and sports cars are inefficient 100% of the time)

The scary part is I get really good mileage out of mine.  Oh sure if I drop the hammer, I go to like 80 litres per hundred kilometres (3 mpg), but my average for going back and forth to work is about 7.5 litres per 100 km (31 mpg).
 
2014-08-27 05:48:46 AM  

thecatfish: basemetal: AlwaysRightBoy: According to this article Fords don't exist?

You can find them

on
road
dead

Those
F******
Only
Run
Downhill


Pieces of tin and bits of board,
Lo and behold!
You've bought a Ford
 
2014-08-27 05:50:44 AM  
Just to be clear the most hated car is the hypermiling Toyota Prius that accelerates away from a light like a sleepy sloth and blocks the left lane in search of 0.02 better mpg.  As surveyed by every other commuter.
 
2014-08-27 05:57:18 AM  

BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.


I've got an '06 TL with a manual gearbox that I love.  184K miles it's starting to need stuff.  You're saying I should go test drive a 328 before I dump money into this one?
 
2014-08-27 06:00:34 AM  
I have a Dodge Aries that just turned 25, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2014-08-27 06:05:51 AM  

offacue: BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.

I've got an '06 TL with a manual gearbox that I love.  184K miles it's starting to need stuff.  You're saying I should go test drive a 328 before I dump money into this one?


Just looking online, near as I can tell there is no manual gearbox available, even on the M.  Meh, I don't need a rear view camera, I just want a proper clutch pedal.
 
2014-08-27 06:09:46 AM  

BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.


I've owned two Bimmers.  Got rid of the first one only because some old guy wrecked it, still have the one I replaced it with.  Wonderful cars that are a blast to drive and have treated me well.  I love that BMW continues to offer their cars with clutches, even the big powerful M5.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dissatisfaction isn't the same as hate. What is there to hate about Acura? They are nondescript luxury/near luxury Hondas sold at a premium price. It's like hating upmarket Wonder Bread.

I can see why people would be dissatisfied, though, because they thought that getting into an Acura would make them look like they've made it. ... Now they're getting into the most generic upscale car in the world. Who turns their heads at an Acura? Nobody.


This.
I could love a Honda, despite how common / generic they are.  They are relentlessly practical and reliable cars that are pleasant to drive and happily do what they're asked for hundreds of thousands of miles.  I could probably love a (used) Acura for the same reasons.  But if I bought one new expecting prestige and a car that made me feel rich and pampered, I'd be disappointed.


make me some tea: In my experience, a BMW is a great car to drive--when it's not in the shop.


Anyone can make a lemon I guess.  I've had one BMW or another as my daily driver for over 20 years and they've been extremely reliable for me, even beyond 200k miles (both my Bimmers have gone over 200k).
 
2014-08-27 06:09:56 AM  

And then there's Maude'Dib: AlwaysRightBoy: According to this article Fords don't exist?

Fark that.  I love my Ford truck.  Love, love,  LURVE it.  F-250 Super Duty, bought used, never a day of trouble, it's reliable and solid as a goddamn Tandem server.


Ditto, twin turbo V6, reasonable fuel econ, pulls like a freight train, QUIET!, deceptively fast too.


Tandem you say???

Himalaya or Atlantic? Loved those monsters back in the day.
 
GBB
2014-08-27 06:11:49 AM  

vudukungfu: You can sell turds if you have quality customer support.


cdn.hark.com
 
2014-08-27 06:12:50 AM  

tiiger: I think it depends on what dodge you own.  Sure, a Dart, you probably won't be satisfied, nor an avenger, or any of those older platforms.  On the other hand, if you own what I own:

[fp.images.autos.msn.com image 380x228]

You're probably very satisfied.


Meh, not my style.  I'm glad you like your car, though.


offacue: offacue: BadReligion: I just traded in an Acura TL for a BMW 328i. Despite being bigger, the TL had less rear leg room. Despite having more power from a bigger engine, it was much slower. The BMW is fun to drive, even on my boring work commute. The TL was put-you-to-sleep boring.

I've got an '06 TL with a manual gearbox that I love.  184K miles it's starting to need stuff.  You're saying I should go test drive a 328 before I dump money into this one?

Just looking online, near as I can tell there is no manual gearbox available, even on the M.  Meh, I don't need a rear view camera, I just want a proper clutch pedal.


There is absolutely a manual gear box available.  However, finding them used can sometimes be tough because a lot of people buy BMWs as luxury/prestige cars and get the auto by default.  But they absolutely offer a clutch on every 3 series, especially the M.
 
2014-08-27 06:14:58 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Acura's problem is the same as Lincoln's - everything they make is based in some way on a Honda product. Sure, the interiors are nicer, and there are some exclusive options, but it puts Acura against the likes of Buick more than the dedicated luxury brands.


Funny thing is, Acura was basically created for the US market. Almost everywhere else what's an Acura in the US is sold as a Honda, even the NSX was sold as a Honda around the world. Also Honda, Toyota etc have been making luxury or near luxury cars for ages, just that it took a while for them to sell the same thing in the US and they'll have models that never show up in the US in any form.
 
2014-08-27 06:20:59 AM  
FTFA: satisfaction rose for only 10% of the car brands, including Chevrolet and Buick

I've been seeing signs over the last couple of decades, but now I am completely sure we as a nation are farked.
 
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