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(Yahoo)   According to a former Yale Professor and economist, a key driver in the growing "income inequality" gap in this country are those bastions of Liberalism called Ivy-league colleges   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line 80
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2014-08-26 10:55:17 AM  
The power elites have always gone to these institutions, all the way back to Colonial times.
 
2014-08-26 11:13:00 AM  
Ehh, he has a point. The SAT is a racket, athletics shouldn't be a reason to admit a student, and there are proven links between scholastic ability and income.

That being said, Harvard has done a good job with their financial aid to make sure that students can attend without having excessive loans after or financially ruining the parents. Other schools should start doing the same.
 
2014-08-26 11:40:30 AM  

MFAWG: The power elites have always gone to these institutions, all the way back to Colonial times.


THIS. Subby, those "bastions of liberalism" are actually committed to maintaining the status quo vis-a-vis keeping money and power in the hands of those that already have it.
 
2014-08-26 12:47:44 PM  
Being from MA, I've had to hear the "bastion of liberalism" used in various ways to describe the many things MA related and I gotta ask....what the hell is a "bastion of liberalism" consisting of? Because I gotta tell you, shiat's the same up here as it was when we were considered very republican.
 
2014-08-26 01:18:08 PM  

enry: Ehh, he has a point. The SAT is a racket, athletics shouldn't be a reason to admit a student, and there are proven links between scholastic ability and income.

That being said, Harvard has done a good job with their financial aid to make sure that students can attend without having excessive loans after or financially ruining the parents. Other schools should start doing the same.


Other schools either don't have the huge endowment Harvard has, or are dependent on ever-shrinking money from state governments.
A lot of them also have to support bloated athletic programs that don't turn a profit.
 
2014-08-26 01:18:44 PM  
The Ivy-League is about networking with fellow rich folk. The education is a sham.
 
2014-08-26 01:21:21 PM  

somedude210: Being from MA, I've had to hear the "bastion of liberalism" used in various ways to describe the many things MA related and I gotta ask....what the hell is a "bastion of liberalism" consisting of? Because I gotta tell you, shiat's the same up here as it was when we were considered very republican.


As far as I can tell it means "trying to do something for the economic benefit of the poor or middle classes."
 
2014-08-26 01:22:22 PM  
Anyone who considers Ivy League colleges a bastion of liberalism has never strolled through the science, engineering or law quads at said schools. Liberalism in the liberal arts department? Almost by definition, sure. Liberalism in the nose-to-the-grindstone-get-a-job-and-get-rich departments? I'd say attitudes there range from politically conservative to "no opinion."
 
2014-08-26 01:22:39 PM  
Because an average student from an Ivy League school, with the proper connections, can do jump several notches up the pay ladder just by knowing the right people/people's kids?

I know that theory is full of crap, though. What are the odds that a C student from a prestigious set of schools could go on to something incredible, like President, using only his name and friends list?
 
2014-08-26 01:25:05 PM  
It seems lazy to try to pin the blame on elite schools; they are just responding to the market forces of supply and demand. Many people want to get into an elite school, so the demand is in their favor, and the 'customers' demand the amenities, clubs and activities that help drive the price up.

But, only a small percentage of students will go to an institution like this. Most states have plenty of low-key public institutions that will provide you with a decent education if you are willing to put some effort into it. Community college is another good, low cost option that would be appropriate for many students, especially those who are unsure of what they want to do. I think students would be better served if parents and high school counselors really pushed lower cost alternatives for the majority of students.
 
2014-08-26 01:26:07 PM  
 
2014-08-26 01:27:00 PM  

somedude210: Being from MA, I've had to hear the "bastion of liberalism" used in various ways to describe the many things MA related and I gotta ask....what the hell is a "bastion of liberalism" consisting of? Because I gotta tell you, shiat's the same up here as it was when we were considered very republican.


Look at the health care reform instituted by your previous governor.

Putting that plan in place at the federal level is one step away from Communism.
 
2014-08-26 01:27:44 PM  
"First, eliminate the preference for athletes and legacies."

Are athletics teams really the same deal at Ivy League schools as they are at other colleges around the country? I was under the impression there weren't a lot of kids there who might be able to throw a football but struggle to write their name.

I don't see a problem with treating participation in athletics as a regular extracurricular activity and giving some weight to it as a complement to an already good application.

Legacies are, IMO, indefensible.
 
2014-08-26 01:28:03 PM  
They must be shiatty at liberal brainwashing because most conservative politicians also went to those schools. The true answer as stated above is that they serve the rich, political ideology be damned.
 
2014-08-26 01:30:21 PM  

jchuffyman: They must be shiatty at liberal brainwashing because most conservative politicians also went to those schools. The true answer as stated above is that they serve the rich, political ideology be damned.


What do you mean? That is where Obama learned to be such a Communist.
 
2014-08-26 01:31:08 PM  
That was yahoo's big takeaway from this book? Another reason not to waste your time with yahoo news.
 
2014-08-26 01:33:28 PM  
Is the "obvious" tag off listening to Alanis Morissette?
 
2014-08-26 01:36:01 PM  

GameSprocket: jchuffyman: They must be shiatty at liberal brainwashing because most conservative politicians also went to those schools. The true answer as stated above is that they serve the rich, political ideology be damned.

What do you mean? That is where Obama learned to be such a Communist.


I thought that was from his time at a MUSLIM school while he was living in Indonesia with his real father, Malcolm X
 
2014-08-26 01:37:10 PM  

TheNewJesus: The Ivy-League is about networking with fellow rich folk. The education is a sham.


We have a winner! As the old joke goes if you go to a state school the kid sitting next to you might have a dad who works at a bank. At an Ivy League school his dad owns the bank.
 
2014-08-26 01:38:15 PM  
It is known that conservatives have no value for education. Why would they bother with Ivy League universities, of all places?
 
2014-08-26 01:39:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: TheNewJesus: The Ivy-League is about networking with fellow rich folk. The education is a sham.

We have a winner! As the old joke goes if you go to a state school the kid sitting next to you might have a dad who works at a bank. At an Ivy League school his dad owns the bank.


I heard it this way: You don't go to Harvard because you get a better education there. You go to Harvard to meet people who go to Harvard.
 
2014-08-26 01:41:55 PM  

Target Builder: "First, eliminate the preference for athletes and legacies."

Are athletics teams really the same deal at Ivy League schools as they are at other colleges around the country? I was under the impression there weren't a lot of kids there who might be able to throw a football but struggle to write their name.

I don't see a problem with treating participation in athletics as a regular extracurricular activity and giving some weight to it as a complement to an already good application.

Legacies are, IMO, indefensible.


Disagrees.
content6.flixster.com
 
2014-08-26 01:43:10 PM  
If there's one thing 'old' money and family privilege says, it's 'liberalism'.

/eyeroll
 
2014-08-26 01:45:02 PM  
When rich people contribute the most to this country, people say that they must pay the most taxes, because the rich are getting more out of society than anyone else.

When rich people try to get more out of society than anyone else, and they want the best education, people say the poor must have equal access to those schools, and that the poor must have equal access to the things that the rich built.

Amazing how that works.

In the 21st century, the rich are truly the poor.
 
2014-08-26 01:45:04 PM  
When subby says "liberal" he means "smart".
 
2014-08-26 01:45:55 PM  
It's all who you're connected with.
 
2014-08-26 01:45:59 PM  

somedude210: Being from MA, I've had to hear the "bastion of liberalism" used in various ways to describe the many things MA related and I gotta ask....what the hell is a "bastion of liberalism" consisting of? Because I gotta tell you, shiat's the same up here as it was when we were considered very republican.


We stayed sane while large swaths of the country went full retard.
 
2014-08-26 01:46:03 PM  
I, for one, am shocked that elitist ivy league schools perpetuate elitism.

Obviously, the only solution to this problem is to deregulate big business, dismantle the EPA, and give tax breaks to the ultrawealthy.
 
2014-08-26 01:46:35 PM  
Hyuck! Learning is liberal!
 
2014-08-26 01:47:02 PM  

Mike_LowELL: When rich people contribute the most to this country, people say that they must pay the most taxes, because the rich are getting more out of society than anyone else.

When rich people try to get more out of society than anyone else, and they want the best education, people say the poor must have equal access to those schools, and that the poor must have equal access to the things that the rich built.

Amazing how that works.

In the 21st century, the rich are truly the poor.



uhh......... ok.
 
2014-08-26 01:47:26 PM  
that whole Yale thing...
 
2014-08-26 01:48:02 PM  

theknuckler_33: If there's one thing 'old' money and family privilege says, it's 'liberalism'.

/eyeroll


In b4 Kennedy.
 
2014-08-26 01:48:13 PM  
more like asstion of liberalism! suck it libtards!
 
2014-08-26 01:54:38 PM  

clambam: Anyone who considers Ivy League colleges a bastion of liberalism has never strolled through the science, engineering or law quads at said schools. Liberalism in the liberal arts department? Almost by definition, sure. Liberalism in the nose-to-the-grindstone-get-a-job-and-get-rich departments? I'd say attitudes there range from politically conservative to "no opinion."


I dunno, Liberalism tends to be pretty prevelent in Physics department. Though that is likely in part due to the, well. Anti-scientific bent the right wing has taken lately.
 
2014-08-26 01:56:32 PM  

Chummer45: uhh......... ok.


Some people just aren't art lovers, I guess.
 
2014-08-26 02:02:11 PM  

Target Builder: "First, eliminate the preference for athletes and legacies."

Are athletics teams really the same deal at Ivy League schools as they are at other colleges around the country? I was under the impression there weren't a lot of kids there who might be able to throw a football but struggle to write their name.

I don't see a problem with treating participation in athletics as a regular extracurricular activity and giving some weight to it as a complement to an already good application.

Legacies are, IMO, indefensible.


The Ivy League uses a system they call the Academic Index for all school athletes.  It's a compilation of SAT scores, GPAs, and class rank.  By the Ivy League charter the Academic Index of the student athletes can't be more than one standard deviation below the student body at large.

The Patriot League, another conference made up of academically well regarded schools (Lehigh, Lafayette, Holy Cross, Bucknell, etc) has a similar rule.

Other conferences may have their own eligibility rules that go beyond the NCAA requirements, but those two are generally the strictest in division 1.
 
2014-08-26 02:05:39 PM  

Bedurndurn: somedude210: Being from MA, I've had to hear the "bastion of liberalism" used in various ways to describe the many things MA related and I gotta ask....what the hell is a "bastion of liberalism" consisting of? Because I gotta tell you, shiat's the same up here as it was when we were considered very republican.

We stayed sane while large swaths of the country went full retard.


hey now, we have tea partiers up here. Hell I even feel bad for Charlie Baker, because he really is a moderate republican in the truest sense and he's the last of his kind. When he and Tisai lose their races this November, the state party will buck them completely and will usher in an age where the only republicans getting nominated for statewide positions are tea partiers.

Don't believe me? The State party changed their platform to appear further right and look like the national party. Both Baker and Tisai were up in arms about that. They're gone after november and we'll be left with the "hey, I haven't told you in the last 30 seconds that I was a navy SEAL" Gomez and the guy running against Baker in the primary.
 
2014-08-26 02:14:33 PM  
Given that the destruction of the US economy was 100% due to ivy league graduates, I only assume that anyone who graduated from one of those schools is a greedy, self-centered stupid suck.  Interesting that my assumption has been proven correct every time I run into an ivy league 'tard.
 
2014-08-26 02:17:17 PM  

neversubmit: that whole Yale thing...


What whole Yale thing?
 
2014-08-26 02:17:17 PM  
Deresiewicz? He's promoting a book. He made his big splash more than a month ago when he wrote an article for the New Republic, which is full of anecdata and rather lacking in context and rigor. Since then he's been making the rounds as a talking head.

Although he does have a point - if you send your kids to Ivy League schools, they might end up an out-of-touch pseudointellectual like William Deresiewicz.
 
2014-08-26 02:20:47 PM  
The biggest load of BS on college admissions is the notion of being well-rounded. Who's going to find the cure for cancer, the kid whose favorite class is chemistry and favorite hobby is chemistry or the president of the Beta Club?
 
2014-08-26 02:21:21 PM  
Also, Deresiewicz is not an "economist" like subby says - he's a professor of English.
 
2014-08-26 02:22:41 PM  

crazydave023: neversubmit: that whole Yale thing...

What whole Yale thing?


Well, for one thing, I think he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine. That whole Yale thing.
 
2014-08-26 02:25:10 PM  
He provides numbers to back up his claims in a July New Republic article:

"In 1985, 46 percent of incoming freshmen at the 250 most selective colleges came from the top quarter of the income distribution. By 2000, it was 55 percent. As of 2006, only about 15 percent of students at the most competitive schools came from the bottom half. The more prestigious the school, the more unequal its student body is apt to be."


There are not 250 schools in the Ivy League.
 
2014-08-26 02:26:04 PM  

TheNewJesus: The Ivy-League is about networking with fellow rich folk. The education is a sham.


Well not exactly,   Harvard et all recruit the nest and brightest because of their reputations, and those smart kids, who come from all backgrounds are basically there to KEEP Harvard's and the other Ivy's reputations high while they hand out diplomas to every third generation rich kid and international princeling in the world (see Bush, George W.)
 
2014-08-26 02:26:09 PM  

zipdog: The biggest load of BS on college admissions is the notion of being well-rounded. Who's going to find the cure for cancer, the kid whose favorite class is chemistry and favorite hobby is chemistry or the president of the Beta Club?


Beta radiation is one of many cancer treatments. LOL? Are you being funny and I dense?
 
2014-08-26 02:26:13 PM  
is he a BLACK yale professor???
 
2014-08-26 02:26:32 PM  

Rapmaster2000: When subby says "liberal" he means "smart".


This is a common misconception in many conservative groups these days.
 
2014-08-26 02:31:03 PM  

zipdog: The biggest load of BS on college admissions is the notion of being well-rounded. Who's going to find the cure for cancer, the kid whose favorite class is chemistry and favorite hobby is chemistry or the president of the Beta Club?


Uhm most great science breakthroughs up until recently have been made by, what most people call, renaissance men.
 
2014-08-26 02:31:25 PM  

Glenford: Target Builder: "First, eliminate the preference for athletes and legacies."

Are athletics teams really the same deal at Ivy League schools as they are at other colleges around the country? I was under the impression there weren't a lot of kids there who might be able to throw a football but struggle to write their name.

I don't see a problem with treating participation in athletics as a regular extracurricular activity and giving some weight to it as a complement to an already good application.

Legacies are, IMO, indefensible.

Disagrees.
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Well, he DID become Emperor of the Centauri Republic.
 
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