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(The New York Times)   NY Times derides the Emmys for honoring content "hidden behind a pay wall"   (nytimes.com) divider line 32
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2014-08-26 10:18:13 AM  
Sure, if by "hidden" you mean "delayed for a few hours."
 
2014-08-26 10:34:13 AM  
so... the NYT is complaining about cable television? is this 1977 or something?
 
2014-08-26 11:06:28 AM  
sites.google.com
 
2014-08-26 11:08:34 AM  
This article is about 15 to 20 years too late.  Remember when the cable awards were called the ACE awards?  Do those still exist?
 
2014-08-26 11:09:05 AM  
Hypocrisy, not irony.
 
2014-08-26 11:09:56 AM  
Breaking Bad was on a basic cable channel, then put on iTunes a few days after each episode, then put on Netflix when the season ended. To say people didn't have ample chances to see it, even without cable is disingenuous at best.
 
2014-08-26 11:14:42 AM  
You can watch almost anything for free.
 
2014-08-26 11:14:54 AM  
NYT can EABOD, FOAD, DIAF.
 
2014-08-26 11:15:38 AM  
... Emmys ... honoring ... behind ...

thinkprogress.org
 
2014-08-26 11:16:24 AM  
And the auto-play video on their home page is for Netflix.
 
2014-08-26 11:19:43 AM  
I really can't see a broadcast channel taking a chance on a series with a meth dealer as the protagonist. Or set during the zombie apocalypse.
 
2014-08-26 11:31:08 AM  

stoli n coke: Breaking Bad was on a basic cable channel, then put on iTunes a few days after each episode, then put on Netflix when the season ended


or if you had a proxy, "live" on netflix uk.
 
2014-08-26 11:41:51 AM  

Wellon Dowd: ... Emmys ... honoring ... behind ...

[thinkprogress.org image 638x473]


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2014-08-26 11:42:33 AM  

Wellon Dowd: ... Emmys ... honoring ... behind ...

[thinkprogress.org image 638x473]


I don't get the outrage over this. Sofia was up for this gag and she has said anyone upset over this should get over it.
 
2014-08-26 11:46:43 AM  

skinink: Wellon Dowd: ... Emmys ... honoring ... behind ...

[thinkprogress.org image 638x473]

I don't get the outrage over this. Sofia was up for this gag and she has said anyone upset over this should get over it.


Those people apparently don't believe she has a right to do whatever she wants with her body.
 
2014-08-26 11:55:42 AM  

skinink: Wellon Dowd: ... Emmys ... honoring ... behind ...

[thinkprogress.org image 638x473]

I don't get the outrage over this. Sofia was up for this gag and she has said anyone upset over this should get over it.


But she is just a simple Latina woman. Twitter needs to explain to her what she should find offensive because they know what is best for her better than she does. You see, Sofia just isn't able to grasp the complexities of gender politics in America, and of course American women know more about how women of all cultures around the world should live their lives than those women do themselves. Because our culture is of course better than everyone else's and we just know what is right for everyone else in the whole world.
 
2014-08-26 11:59:57 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_ACE_Awards

Last Cable ACE awards show was 1997. The Emmys didn't allow cable programming to be nominated until 1988. They still refuse to hand out best comedy awards to anything other than networks, though.
 
2014-08-26 12:24:45 PM  
In the Emmy competition, networks now are a little like the British Empire after the 1956 Suez crisis

WTF?

I thought I was the only one that thought that!
 
2014-08-26 01:29:38 PM  

FlashHarry: so... the NYT is complaining about cable television? is this 1977 or something?


See, they might have had a slight point had either House of Cards or Orange is the New Black won anything...
 
2014-08-26 02:26:10 PM  

IlGreven: FlashHarry: so... the NYT is complaining about cable television? is this 1977 or something?

See, they might have had a slight point had either House of Cards or Orange is the New Black won anything...


Wait until Netflix has their own awards show.  I'm half joking.
 
2014-08-26 05:40:46 PM  
Well, maybe the FCC and the networks should find a way to ease up on their ridiculous restrictions and they'll have the dramatic content to compete with shiat on cable once again.  Everyone chain smokes on Mad Men, but then Constantine can't even be SHOWN with a cigarette.  Hannibal can feed someone's own nose to them, but god forbid someone having sex shows a boob!  It's farking stupid.
 
2014-08-26 05:46:33 PM  

bborchar: Well, maybe the FCC and the networks should find a way to ease up on their ridiculous restrictions and they'll have the dramatic content to compete with shiat on cable once again.  Everyone chain smokes on Mad Men, but then Constantine can't even be SHOWN with a cigarette.  Hannibal can feed someone's own nose to them, but god forbid someone having sex shows a boob!  It's farking stupid.


It's worse that stupid. It's f*cking psychopathic.
 
2014-08-26 05:58:13 PM  
Well, hey, you get what you pay for, right? I mean HBO's and AMC's show's budgets are kind of big time compared to free broadcast TV.

I'd like to see a broadcast TV exec put the kind of money into their shows that cable stations do on a regular basis. Then they can cry foul about the TV-paywall nonsense.
 
2014-08-26 06:31:42 PM  

imashark: Well, hey, you get what you pay for, right? I mean HBO's and AMC's show's budgets are kind of big time compared to free broadcast TV.

I'd like to see a broadcast TV exec put the kind of money into their shows that cable stations do on a regular basis. Then they can cry foul about the TV-paywall nonsense.


Is that true? I assume some of the network shows have big budgets. The bigger problem for network tv is the length of the season. Much easier to fill a 24 episode schedule with a police procedural than something with a running storyline. Helps in syndication too (Law & Order!).
 
2014-08-26 07:00:36 PM  

Fallout Zone: imashark: Well, hey, you get what you pay for, right? I mean HBO's and AMC's show's budgets are kind of big time compared to free broadcast TV.

I'd like to see a broadcast TV exec put the kind of money into their shows that cable stations do on a regular basis. Then they can cry foul about the TV-paywall nonsense.

Is that true? I assume some of the network shows have big budgets. The bigger problem for network tv is the length of the season. Much easier to fill a 24 episode schedule with a police procedural than something with a running storyline. Helps in syndication too (Law & Order!).


It's true for HBO, but cable and broadcast budgets are usually pretty similar.  As you say, it's the production schedule that makes broadcast harder to pull off.
 
2014-08-26 07:15:11 PM  

Fallout Zone: Is that true? I assume some of the network shows have big budgets. The bigger problem for network tv is the length of the season. Much easier to fill a 24 episode schedule with a police procedural than something with a running storyline. Helps in syndication too (Law & Order!).


I think the syndication thing is less of an issue. Comedies like How I Met Your Mother are starting to have long-running plots and character development over various seasons, and they still seem to do well in syndication.
 
2014-08-26 10:26:15 PM  

stoli n coke: Breaking Bad was on a basic cable channel, then put on iTunes a few days after each episode, then put on Netflix when the season ended. To say people didn't have ample chances to see it, even without cable is disingenuous at best.


maybe i'm wrong, but don't itunes and netflix also cost money?  his point was that the shows aren't free to watch, not that people can't see them.  however, his point is also meaningless because anyone who cares at all about television and actually pays attention to the emmy awards, most likely pays to watch cable since that's where the good shows are.
 
2014-08-26 10:35:19 PM  

enderthexenocide: stoli n coke: Breaking Bad was on a basic cable channel, then put on iTunes a few days after each episode, then put on Netflix when the season ended. To say people didn't have ample chances to see it, even without cable is disingenuous at best.

maybe i'm wrong, but don't itunes and netflix also cost money?  his point was that the shows aren't free to watch, not that people can't see them.  however, his point is also meaningless because anyone who cares at all about television and actually pays attention to the emmy awards, most likely pays to watch cable since that's where the good shows are.


Not to mention that it's a ridiculous argument given that, last time I checked, going to the movies isn't free and going to a Broadway show is particularly expensive yet I don't see those arguments being made about the Oscars or the Tonys. If anything, the Emmys are the most democratic of the awards shows except, I guess, for the Grammys.
 
2014-08-26 11:49:59 PM  

enderthexenocide: stoli n coke: Breaking Bad was on a basic cable channel, then put on iTunes a few days after each episode, then put on Netflix when the season ended. To say people didn't have ample chances to see it, even without cable is disingenuous at best.

maybe i'm wrong, but don't itunes and netflix also cost money?  his point was that the shows aren't free to watch, not that people can't see them.  however, his point is also meaningless because anyone who cares at all about television and actually pays attention to the emmy awards, most likely pays to watch cable since that's where the good shows are.


You want, free? Fine. People can also borrow the DVDs of shows or a friend's Netflix password. Hell, the season of Breaking Bad that won last night has been on DVD for nine months. Human beings who were conceived when the last season started have had time to watch it.

The guy's trying to argue that the Emmys are awarding shows that not everybody can access, but the reality is that access is more plentiful than it has ever been, as opposed to his pining for the days of 70s programming, where, if you weren't watching TV the night Roots premiered, you might get a chance to see the first part next year when it re-runs, if it re-runs.
 
2014-08-26 11:56:19 PM  
They should know about this show called the Academy Awards, where 100% of the winners last year were movies you couldn't watch for free.
 
2014-08-26 11:57:02 PM  

rugman11: Fallout Zone: imashark: Well, hey, you get what you pay for, right? I mean HBO's and AMC's show's budgets are kind of big time compared to free broadcast TV.

I'd like to see a broadcast TV exec put the kind of money into their shows that cable stations do on a regular basis. Then they can cry foul about the TV-paywall nonsense.

Is that true? I assume some of the network shows have big budgets. The bigger problem for network tv is the length of the season. Much easier to fill a 24 episode schedule with a police procedural than something with a running storyline. Helps in syndication too (Law & Order!).

It's true for HBO, but cable and broadcast budgets are usually pretty similar.  As you say, it's the production schedule that makes broadcast harder to pull off.


Different business models. HBO is subscription based, so they can offer up large budgets more often,

Broadcast shows are usually much, much higher rated, so they get a pretty good amount, unless you thought that Robin Williams was working cheap on that sitcom he was on last year.

Basic cable shows usually have it the worst. They're never as high rated as their network counterparts, and, like those network shows, the ratings determine the ad rates, which in turn, determines the budget.

The first season of Mad Men cost about $2 million an episode, or $25 million for the season. That's only $7 million more than the pilot episode for Boardwalk Empire. Hell, Game of Thrones is starting to top $100 million a season.

AMC and FX are definitely not buying awards away from the networks. The only advantage they have over the networks is not having to worry about the FCC.
 
2014-08-27 09:29:23 AM  
Anybody catch Julianna Margulies  b][tching about 22 episodes seasons?

Awww it's not fair that we're nominated against shows with only 12 or 13 episodes....whaaa!

I'll bet she's not b][tching about the paycheck per episode clause in her contract.
 
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