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2014-08-26 06:29:07 AM  
"Television viewers see heaps of rubble and plumes of smoke in their sleep."

Yeah no.
 
2014-08-26 06:53:38 AM  
If you follow mainstream coverage, you will find nearly no real analysis of Palestinian society or ideologies, profiles of armed Palestinian groups, or investigation of Palestinian government.


The AP's editors believed, that is, that Syria's importance was less than one-40th that of Israel. I don't mean to pick on the AP-the agency is wholly average, which makes it useful as an example...In contrast, in three years the Syrian conflict has claimed an estimated 190,000 lives, or about 70,000 more than the number of people who have ever died in the Arab-Israeli conflict since it began a century ago.



I think i could have summed this up much easier.

Reporting in Israel is relatively safe and easy, places where lots of people are being killed, not so much.
 
2014-08-26 08:07:50 AM  
An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth

Not.  Even.  Close.
 
2014-08-26 08:15:20 AM  
Apparently, it's anti-semitic to criticize Israel. on anything.
 
2014-08-26 08:15:40 AM  
From "The Tablet:  A New Read on Jewish Life".

Yeah...
 
2014-08-26 08:16:03 AM  
Very poorly written article about nonsense. Why did that mess get a greenlight?

The most important thing about Israel that is never told is the fact that both sides think they "are on a mission from God" so this shiat is never going to end.
 
2014-08-26 08:16:27 AM  
the Tablet may, just may, not be the most unbiased news source.
 
2014-08-26 08:17:28 AM  
"...a hostile obsession with Jews."

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2014-08-26 08:18:29 AM  
Let me guess, they don't kiss their ass enough?
 
2014-08-26 08:18:32 AM  

mainsail: the Tablet may, just may, not be the most unbiased news source.


Yeah, why is this shiat not quarantined to the politics tab? You're gonna give the Caturday links ebola.
 
2014-08-26 08:21:57 AM  

Publikwerks: Apparently, it's anti-semitic to criticize Israel. on anything.


Once you can get past the apathy and work hard to try and care whether both sides wipe each other off the face of the Earth this is the general conclusion most I know have come to.

Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

Either way if you're an Atheist or you don't feel like we need a daily atonement for the holocaust (which happened...and we didn't participate in....and let's be fair, Christians are still wound up about nailing their guy to a cross) then mostly you're just kind of waiting for Israel to bust out the nukes we all know they have and wipe themselves and the Palestinians off of the map.

At least it'll be a little quieter.
 
2014-08-26 08:22:25 AM  
BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M NOT LISTENING BLAH BLAH BLAH.
 
2014-08-26 08:22:52 AM  
Pure, "whataboutery". "Yeah, I killed my wife, but what about Manson, why didn't you write about him?" So much else wrong with this article..
 
2014-08-26 08:28:11 AM  
Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.
 
2014-08-26 08:31:00 AM  
Something I find "funny".  I keep seeing comparisons of Israel to the Nazis.  But umm... do you remember someone firing rockets nonstop at civilians  to terrorize them?
 
2014-08-26 08:32:10 AM  
That Israel thing is still going on?  Why isn't she writing about the Emmys now?
 
2014-08-26 08:35:40 AM  
It sort of concerns me that I don't have nearly the attention span to write, much less read an essay that long. I mean if I
 
2014-08-26 08:36:09 AM  
Dunno about the reporters, but:

More than 350 Survivors and Descendants of Survivors and Victims of the Nazi Genocide Condemn Israel's Assault on Gaza

Scroll down to the signatures. Can't wait to be explained how they are "self-loathing jews".
 
2014-08-26 08:36:31 AM  

nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.


The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza. Stock market dip, bomb Gaza. The market is out of Netanyahu's favorite hummus - Bomb Gaza.

Don't get me wrong - Hamas knows what they are doing. Their goal is to make the Israeli's look like assholes, so they make sure that they poke the bear. But Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.
 
2014-08-26 08:37:41 AM  

nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.


I've never doubted that they should be allowed to defend themselves nor should they not be entitled to a safe haven for their homes.

Largely I lament their choice of locations and their incredible inability to figure out how to live peaceably under the circumstances they chose for themselves.
 
2014-08-26 08:38:08 AM  
Is AIPAC sponsoring links on Fark now?
 
2014-08-26 08:42:16 AM  
Hello

So, I've spent a decent amount of time in the Middle East.  Alot of young reporters get their start in places like Gaza, Jordan (estimates have Jordan at 60%+ Palestinians) or Syria.  They develop relationships, connections, and personal feelings towards Palestinians or anti-Israel.  Imagine a US NGO worker who lived in Georgia for 2 years prior to Russia's 2008 "invasion".  Obviously their blog posts or reporting would be slanted.

I have a good friend who is from Sri Lanka and lived in Jordan for 2 years.  He hates Israel, maintaining those "Free Palestine" posters on his wall.  When I try to bring up his similar hate for Tamils and the similarities to Palestinians, he bristles.  He hates Israel, he loves Palestine, and thats it.  There are many on the other side.
 
2014-08-26 08:42:33 AM  

Publikwerks: Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.


Given that Hamas is using tunnels from which to launch their attacks, what do you imagine the less "cray cray" response would be? Attack poodles? Tunnel sharks?
 
2014-08-26 08:43:38 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Something I find "funny".  I keep seeing comparisons of Israel to the Nazis.  But umm... do you remember someone firing rockets nonstop at civilians  to terrorize them?


Or when Jewish population more than doubled in concentration camps? That their access to hsopitals and universities improved? Along with life expectancy, infant mortality, and literacy. When Jews were put on the supreme court under Nazi's and had their voting rights expanded?

But yeah, that genocide is right around the corner.

qualtrough: Pure, "whataboutery". "Yeah, I killed my wife, but what about Manson, why didn't you write about him?"


No. "Whataboutery" woudl be excusuing what they are doing with "what about". This was questioning why reporters and other groups are expending so much less effort on what amounts ot a much smaller story if you are concerend about loss of human life. QUestioning why one side is under the microscope but not the other.
 
2014-08-26 08:44:32 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Publikwerks: Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.

Given that Hamas is using tunnels from which to launch their attacks, what do you imagine the less "cray cray" response would be? Attack poodles? Tunnel sharks?


Maybe something ironic, like poison gas.
 
2014-08-26 08:45:20 AM  
Publikwerks:
The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza. Stock market dip, bomb Gaza. The market is out of Netanyahu's favorite hummus - Bomb Gaza.

Don't get me wrong - Hamas knows what they are doing. Their goal is to make the Israeli's look like assholes, so they make sure that they poke the bear. But Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.


They do and it's just godawful.  Dead children, nothing worse than that in this world.  But I largely blame Hamas for that.  Stop with the rockets.  Imagine if they spent all that time and energy not on the unattainable goal of tearing down Israel but on the noble and quite possible goal of building up Gaza.  Instead of building a rocket, build a school!  I think they need to come to terms with the fact that they lost.  Israel is not going away.  They don't have to like it, but they might as well accept reality.  The whole situation just sucks.  A lot.
 
2014-08-26 08:46:12 AM  
I think TFA (I read the whole damn tl;dr thing) basically proves its own point: all reporting done on that subject is biased by the reporters' and agencies' political, racial, and religious agendas and points of view.

That's been well established for decades, but it's good to remind people now and then.
 
2014-08-26 08:47:17 AM  

nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.


Even at the cost of switching roles?
 
2014-08-26 08:47:54 AM  

Publikwerks: The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza.


They didn't start bombing Gaza until Hamas started lobbing rockets at them.

But way to highlight what he is saying. News will focus on Israel so the fact that they didn't mess with Gaza until after Hamas started lobbing rockets is often overlooked.
 
2014-08-26 08:47:59 AM  
Most reporters are Liberal. It is now fashionable in liberalism to go for the underdog, even if said underdog launches rockers indiscriminately and is responsible for all broken cease fires. Reporters now hate Israel.

Pretty simple.
 
2014-08-26 08:49:20 AM  

tzzhc4: Very poorly written article about nonsense. Why did that mess get a greenlight?

The most important thing about Israel that is never told is the fact that both sides think they "are on a mission from God" so this shiat is never going to end.


Only one side has the total destruction of the other written into their charter.
 
2014-08-26 08:49:23 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Dunno about the reporters, but:

More than 350 Survivors and Descendants of Survivors and Victims of the Nazi Genocide Condemn Israel's Assault on Gaza

Scroll down to the signatures. Can't wait to be explained how they are "self-loathing jews".


A quick glance showed a considerable number of people who live in the US and Canada; i.e., people not directly threatened by Hamas.

/I can probably get 300 people to sign a petition saying that the Earth is flat.
 
2014-08-26 08:49:58 AM  

mayIFark: Even at the cost of switching roles


Haha, ok buddy.

We all know you are dishonest enough to pretend they have already "switched roles".
 
2014-08-26 08:51:26 AM  

nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.


Look at the spate of anti liberalism right now. Defaced synagogues in multiple countries. Pretty clear why they want a home country.
 
2014-08-26 08:52:38 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Something I find "funny".  I keep seeing comparisons of Israel to the Nazis.  But umm... do you remember someone firing rockets nonstop at civilians  to terrorize them?


May be because that does not happen? No one gets terrorized because those said rockets never reaches them. Even more importantly, those said rockets are by-products that Israel created at the first place, and then talk as if those rocket is what started all those.
 
2014-08-26 08:53:07 AM  

MyRandomName: Most reporters are Liberal. It is now fashionable in liberalism to go for the underdog, even if said underdog launches rockers indiscriminately and is responsible for all broken cease fires. Reporters now hate Israel.

Pretty simple.


Yeah, the evil liberal media. That never gets old.
 
2014-08-26 08:53:42 AM  

Publikwerks: nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.

The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza. Stock market dip, bomb Gaza. The market is out of Netanyahu's favorite hummus - Bomb Gaza.

Don't get me wrong - Hamas knows what they are doing. Their goal is to make the Israeli's look like assholes, so they make sure that they poke the bear. But Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.


You do realize Israel could wipe out Gaza whenever they feel like it, right? There is nothing nefarious about responding to 3000 rocket attacks from Gaza.

Curios why you left out all the aid Israel sends Gaza.
 
2014-08-26 08:54:40 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Dunno about the reporters, but:

More than 350 Survivors and Descendants of Survivors and Victims of the Nazi Genocide Condemn Israel's Assault on Gaza

Scroll down to the signatures. Can't wait to be explained how they are "self-loathing jews".


Self-loathing is a necessary component of what passes for "enlightenment" these days.
 
2014-08-26 08:56:26 AM  

MyRandomName: nekom: Skarekrough:
Not sure whether it's because of the Christian mindset that it's imperative for Israel to be around for the Rapture/Apocalypse/Jesusapalooza or some long-standing trace of WWII guilt over not showing up early to the party.

To be fair, in the wake of the holocaust it's not exactly difficult to see why the Jews wanted a homeland so badly.  From their perspective, it's like ok we have some land, we're armed to the teeth and we won't be going into the ovens ever again.  It's a shame their choice of real estate is so controversial, but it's not unreasonable for them to want to never be defenseless again.

Look at the spate of anti liberalism right now. Defaced synagogues in multiple countries. Pretty clear why they want a home country.


That should read as anti semitism
 
2014-08-26 08:56:42 AM  
Why you would even try to post this on Fark is anyone's guess.
Might as well put it on Stormfront.org
 
2014-08-26 08:56:46 AM  
mayIFark:
May be because that does not happen? No one gets terrorized because those said rockets never reaches them. Even more importantly, those said rockets are by-products that Israel created at the first place, and then talk as if those rocket is what started all those.

Except that 4 year old child killed by a rocket a few days back.  Yes, many of them fail to reach any target, but it's not for lack of trying.
 
2014-08-26 08:59:26 AM  
a hostile obsession with Jews.

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Jews can do what they want.
The government they have is abhorrent, and as a rational human being I can differentiate.
 
2014-08-26 08:59:50 AM  

liam76: Publikwerks: The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza.

They didn't start bombing Gaza until Hamas started lobbing rockets at them.

But way to highlight what he is saying. News will focus on Israel so the fact that they didn't mess with Gaza until after Hamas started lobbing rockets is often overlooked.


Yes, the sensible thing to do in response to acts of terrorism is the collective and random punishment of all Palestinians.  I can't understand why Palestinians would be upset with that.
 
2014-08-26 08:59:54 AM  

Mugato: MyRandomName: Most reporters are Liberal. It is now fashionable in liberalism to go for the underdog, even if said underdog launches rockers indiscriminately and is responsible for all broken cease fires. Reporters now hate Israel.

Pretty simple.

Yeah, the evil liberal media. That never gets old.


In this case they are. There are direct propaganda pieces in the news. See the recent NYT account from the son of a high ranking Hamas official. A story in the paper of an 18 year old beaten and tortured by IDF but no corroborating evidence, just the word of the Hamas official. And the NYT prints it.

They use only photos of Israel attacks, never showing Hamas attacking.

It is pretty awful the inherent bias.
 
2014-08-26 09:00:35 AM  
Who was that super Jewish guy we used to have around here that would pop up immediately when a thread like this showed up?

I kinda miss that guy. I didn't agree with him on much, but he certainly kept it interesting.

I kinda miss that bevets guy for the same reasons. Where are these guys disappearing to?
 
2014-08-26 09:00:54 AM  
Did the guy ever get to the point?  Was the point to overwhelm the reader with random words?  Was the writer getting paid by the word?

Both sides want the fertile land, they hate each other, they have different flavored imaginary friends.

They'll keep killing each other until their kids start marrying each other, at which point they'll merge and probably start killing someone else entirely.
 
2014-08-26 09:01:03 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Publikwerks: Israel takes the bait, and goes cray cray with the bombs.

Given that Hamas is using tunnels from which to launch their attacks, what do you imagine the less "cray cray" response would be? Attack poodles? Tunnel sharks?


Dachsunds of course.  They were designed for tunnel warfare.
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2014-08-26 09:01:46 AM  

Persnickety: liam76: Publikwerks: The problem is that at this point, their reaction to ANYTHING is to bomb Gaza. Three Kids murdered - Bomb Gaza.

They didn't start bombing Gaza until Hamas started lobbing rockets at them.

But way to highlight what he is saying. News will focus on Israel so the fact that they didn't mess with Gaza until after Hamas started lobbing rockets is often overlooked.

Yes, the sensible thing to do in response to acts of terrorism is the collective and random punishment of all Palestinians.  I can't understand why Palestinians would be upset with that.


Random? Israel only attacks locations used as rocket launch sites. They use a two warning method of leaflets and knock bombs to warn all civilians before their attacks. It isn't even close to random.
 
2014-08-26 09:02:30 AM  

nekom: mayIFark:
May be because that does not happen? No one gets terrorized because those said rockets never reaches them. Even more importantly, those said rockets are by-products that Israel created at the first place, and then talk as if those rocket is what started all those.

Except that 4 year old child killed by a rocket a few days back.  Yes, many of them fail to reach any target, but it's not for lack of trying.


So, did the attack started retro-actively because of that? Cows kill more people than that. No one is terrorized by them. I am not saying rocket attacks is not a problem. It definitely is. BUT, two things: it is blown way, way, way, way, way out of proportion to use it as a tool to attack Gaza. The response is in no shape or form proportional. And 2) the rocket attacks is the effect, not the cause. When you force people to live under apartheid condition for generations, some of them will go rogue.
 
2014-08-26 09:05:19 AM  
mayIFark:
So, did the attack started retro-actively because of that? Cows kill more people than that. No one is terrorized by them. I am not saying rocket attacks is not a problem. It definitely is. BUT, two things: it is blown way, way, way, way, way out of proportion to use it as a tool to attack Gaza. The response is in no shape or form proportional. And 2) the rocket attacks is the effect, not the cause. When you force people to live under apartheid condition for generations, some of them will go rogue.

Actually, it seems more of a giant vicious circle of suck.  The Palestinians are understandably upset because of the conditions they are forced to live under, which are a result of the Israelis understandably defending themselves from terror attacks.  How to break the circle?  Wish I knew.
 
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