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(Washington Post)   Meet SkyLock. Like Skynet, but scarier and more invasive   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 29
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2014-08-25 02:03:33 PM
Skylock?

Hath not a surveillence system eyes?
 
2014-08-25 02:06:19 PM
Couldn't read. It asked for money first.
 
2014-08-25 02:30:19 PM

Walker: Couldn't read. It asked for money first.


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2014-08-25 02:36:56 PM
It sounds like the simple solution is to modify the SS7 system as follows:

Query comes in, tower pings cell phone, is the MEID or SIM registered to the source of the query or connected to a tower owned by the source? If neither statement is true reject it

That way if a Sprint Phone is roaming on a VZ tower VZ and Sprint can ping the phone but AT&T cannot

Likewise if I take an Orange UK phone to the US and roam on AT&T then Vodaphone cannot ping it.

If there is a legitimate need to ping it they can go through the company the phone is registered to who can then ping it and see who's tower it is on.

It sounds like the option to limit the SS7 falls to each carrier, being a federated system, and would be easy to force within the US or EU
 
2014-08-25 03:27:12 PM

Walker: Couldn't read. It asked for money first.


If possible try the "right click/open link in private window" option.
 
2014-08-25 04:11:15 PM

zedster: It sounds like the simple solution is to modify the SS7 system as follows:

Query comes in, tower pings cell phone, is the MEID or SIM registered to the source of the query or connected to a tower owned by the source? If neither statement is true reject it

That way if a Sprint Phone is roaming on a VZ tower VZ and Sprint can ping the phone but AT&T cannot

Likewise if I take an Orange UK phone to the US and roam on AT&T then Vodaphone cannot ping it.

If there is a legitimate need to ping it they can go through the company the phone is registered to who can then ping it and see who's tower it is on.

It sounds like the option to limit the SS7 falls to each carrier, being a federated system, and would be easy to force within the US or EU


if the mobile companies are on board.  but since the mobile companies are spying on you on behalf on the government, neither the gov nor the cell companies have any motivation to do this.
 
2014-08-25 04:23:50 PM
This would be a lot more frightening if you didn't have the option of leaving your phone at home when you needed privacy.
 
2014-08-25 05:14:48 PM

Walker: Couldn't read. It asked for money first.


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Yup
 
2014-08-25 05:15:45 PM
Wouldn't anyone truly dangerous just pick up a burner on the way to the airport? You can buy a prepaid Lumia 520 smartphone for $50 now. You'd have to be the worst terrorist or criminal ever to fall victim to this.
 
2014-08-25 05:17:10 PM
Anyone doing something illegal who has half a brain is just going to grab a new prepaid phone every time they change locales.
 
2014-08-25 05:24:54 PM
easy peasy... i'm not going to give my phone number to any tin pot dictators

/ it's not like i have any friends to give my phone number to in the first place.
 
2014-08-25 05:38:30 PM
Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.
 
2014-08-25 06:12:44 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.


It's funny, because the Big Bad Guys already do this.  They send messages by courier.  Burner phones.  Etc.

It's your average Joe that carries a cell phone, and that uses location services.

So, of course, they track ALL the average Joes under the guise of catching Big Bads.
 
2014-08-25 06:22:31 PM

sendtodave: Herr Flick's Revenge: Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.

It's funny, because the Big Bad Guys already do this.  They send messages by courier.  Burner phones.  Etc.

It's your average Joe that carries a cell phone, and that uses location services.

So, of course, they track ALL the average Joes under the guise of catching Big Bads.


I know.
I find it ridiculous that people run around screaming about privacy when they are on Facebook, use google, post to Instagram/twitter/foursquare and carry a cell phone around.
The Government doesn't need to track you, you tell them where you are, who you are with and what you are doing at all times.
 
2014-08-25 06:23:22 PM

sendtodave: Herr Flick's Revenge: Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.

It's funny, because the Big Bad Guys already do this.  They send messages by courier.  Burner phones.  Etc.

It's your average Joe that carries a cell phone, and that uses location services.

So, of course, they track ALL the average Joes under the guise of catching Big Bads.


But if you've got nothing to hide, there's no reason to worry.
 
2014-08-25 06:42:24 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: sendtodave: Herr Flick's Revenge: Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.

It's funny, because the Big Bad Guys already do this.  They send messages by courier.  Burner phones.  Etc.

It's your average Joe that carries a cell phone, and that uses location services.

So, of course, they track ALL the average Joes under the guise of catching Big Bads.

I know.
I find it ridiculous that people run around screaming about privacy when they are on Facebook, use google, post to Instagram/twitter/foursquare and carry a cell phone around.
The Government doesn't need to track you, you tell them where you are, who you are with and what you are doing at all times.


The outrage is more "why the fark would they care to know who I am?"
 
2014-08-25 07:48:51 PM
Scarier than Skynet subby? Have you ever seen a Terminator movie, watched the TV show or read a Terminator story?


Walker: Couldn't read. It asked for money first.


Did not have that problem but I use a script blocker add-on. It seems to me that mods who approve submission should try the link provided in the 4 major browsers (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari, Opera) without any add-ons. Another thing they should check for is sites that are only accessible from one country.
 
2014-08-25 07:52:57 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever been bored enough to track me.
 
2014-08-25 07:53:14 PM

talkertopc: Scarier than Skynet subby? Have you ever seen a Terminator movie, watched the TV show or read a Terminator story?


See, Skynet's gotten smart. It changed its name.
 
2014-08-25 07:54:24 PM

redly1: I wonder if anyone has ever been bored enough to track me.


Just a CIA intern. But they have like...200 people they're watching.
 
2014-08-25 08:29:34 PM

PizzaJedi81: talkertopc: Scarier than Skynet subby? Have you ever seen a Terminator movie, watched the TV show or read a Terminator story?

See, Skynet's gotten smart. It changed its name.


Skynet is nothing. It just wants to kill humanity.

AM, now that's a bastard, keeping humanity alive just to make it suffer.
 
2014-08-25 09:13:49 PM
Goddammit Transformers 4, I'd feel safe doing a "Grimlock > Skylock" post were it not for your existence.
/Optimus Prime riding Grimlock like a horse.... Grimlock HATED Prime
 
2014-08-25 09:29:20 PM
Well duh, of course Skylock needs to know where you are in order to collect its pound of flesh.
 
2014-08-25 09:35:32 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Goddammit Transformers 4, I'd feel safe doing a "Grimlock > Skylock" post were it not for your existence.
/Optimus Prime riding Grimlock like a horse.... Grimlock HATED Prime


I stopped watching those after the first.  Did that really happen?  Grimlock had to be king, he would never be rode.
 
2014-08-25 10:20:55 PM
we are having jets in the downtown here so violence for the win!

Faster Pussy cat Kill Kill Kill
 
2014-08-25 11:16:36 PM
My brain at work:

Oh, I wonder what this Skylo.... errr.. Syloc... errr... Must GIS Psylocke!

www.yayahan.com
 
2014-08-26 02:27:03 AM

Herr Flick's Revenge: sendtodave: Herr Flick's Revenge: Cell phones have to track your location, it's how they work.
If you don't want anyone tracking you, stop carrying a phone.

It's funny, because the Big Bad Guys already do this.  They send messages by courier.  Burner phones.  Etc.

It's your average Joe that carries a cell phone, and that uses location services.

So, of course, they track ALL the average Joes under the guise of catching Big Bads.

I know.
I find it ridiculous that people run around screaming about privacy when they are on Facebook, use google, post to Instagram/twitter/foursquare and carry a cell phone around.
The Government doesn't need to track you, you tell them where you are, who you are with and what you are doing at all times.


A TED talk relevant to this.
 
2014-08-26 08:23:57 AM
I have AT&T Family map, and I can tell you the ability of cell towers to track your location is highly overemphasized. If my son is in a building that his phone's GPS doesn't work, it gives me up to a mile and a half radius. I would think that the terrain here would be a factor in that. In flat lands it might work more accurately. YMMV
 
2014-08-26 09:22:40 AM
Whatever it takes to foil Count Weirdly's sinister plots.
 
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