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(Townhall)   The indictment of Rick Perry is just the latest ploy by liberals to increase gun ownership   (townhall.com) divider line 165
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2014-08-25 09:18:35 AM  
Lot of trollish conservative stories today.
 
2014-08-25 09:36:49 AM  

Mugato: Lot of trollish conservative stories today.


I'm glad I have errands to run at lunch from 12 - 1 today.
 
2014-08-25 09:39:40 AM  
I thought it was just a swipe at square framed eye glasses.
 
2014-08-25 09:50:15 AM  
The judicial lynching under way in Ferguson offers less reason for optimism

That seemed rather Freudian.
 
2014-08-25 09:57:52 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: The judicial lynching under way in Ferguson offers less reason for optimism

That seemed rather Freudian.


Clownhall's projection is never accidental.
 
2014-08-25 10:01:01 AM  
I self identify as right of center and I want to punch this guy in the face. Mudslinging is cute, insinuating that people on the left are fat when they are the ones that push the enforcement of healthy food.

So when can we burn both parties down and start over? I kinda like the UKs  system that requires coalitions, though I hear they share a lot of problems.
 
2014-08-25 10:08:17 AM  

Caffienatedjedi: I self identify as right of center and I want to punch this guy in the face. Mudslinging is cute, insinuating that people on the left are fat when they are the ones that push the enforcement of healthy food.

So when can we burn both parties down and start over? I kinda like the UKs  system that requires coalitions, though I hear they share a lot of problems.


Grass is always greener.  Our system is fixable.  It's the entrenched interests, not the system.  Whether we try to improve ours or bail for another system, the same interests will seek to rig it.  That's what needs to be addressed.
 
2014-08-25 10:11:45 AM  

Diogenes: Caffienatedjedi: I self identify as right of center and I want to punch this guy in the face. Mudslinging is cute, insinuating that people on the left are fat when they are the ones that push the enforcement of healthy food.

So when can we burn both parties down and start over? I kinda like the UKs  system that requires coalitions, though I hear they share a lot of problems.

Grass is always greener.  Our system is fixable.  It's the entrenched interests, not the system.  Whether we try to improve ours or bail for another system, the same interests will seek to rig it.  That's what needs to be addressed.


Yea, I just think borrowing from other systems  could help prevent a two party gridlock. Though then we could end up with an eight party gridlock or something stupid, but it would improve representation of smaller or single issue parties. Maybe make it marginally harder to buy out everyone.
 
2014-08-25 10:18:44 AM  

Diogenes: Caffienatedjedi: I self identify as right of center and I want to punch this guy in the face. Mudslinging is cute, insinuating that people on the left are fat when they are the ones that push the enforcement of healthy food.

So when can we burn both parties down and start over? I kinda like the UKs  system that requires coalitions, though I hear they share a lot of problems.

Grass is always greener.  Our system is fixable.  It's the entrenched interests, not the system.  Whether we try to improve ours or bail for another system, the same interests will seek to rig it.  That's what needs to be addressed.


If you haven't already, watch Inside Job, about how we all got f*cked over by the banking system - and by both parties - and on a global scale. Very little of it was surprising, but overall it's pretty disgusting stuff. The gutting of banking regulations that were proposed in response to the last crash, the amount of money made by the assholes who perpetrated, the entrenched interests, the failure to prosecute anyone. Makes Madoff look like a small-time crook.
 
2014-08-25 10:31:42 AM  
Wow.  All of those liberal Texas Republicans that indicted a sitting governor through a grand jury sure were crafty and smart.
 
2014-08-25 10:51:50 AM  

SphericalTime: Wow.  All of those liberal Texas Republicans that indicted a sitting governor through a grand jury sure were crafty and smart.


THE LEFTIST ARE CALLING FROM INSIDE THE PARTY!
 
2014-08-25 10:57:57 AM  
I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?
 
2014-08-25 11:00:33 AM  
"Of course, those of us who is served in places where there was no law, where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society, already know."

This may possibly be the worse sentence ever written. WTF?  What is the subject or verb?  What does it mean?  Can anyone repair it?

Do Republicans know that a place with no law is the opposite of totalitarianism?  Do words having meaning for these people?
 
2014-08-25 11:29:00 AM  

hubiestubert: SphericalTime: Wow.  All of those liberal Texas Republicans that indicted a sitting governor through a grand jury sure were crafty and smart.

THE LEFTIST ARE CALLING FROM INSIDE THE PARTY!


Don't go in the voting booth.
 
2014-08-25 11:33:09 AM  

mrshowrules: "Of course, those of us who is served in places where there was no law, where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society, already know."

This may possibly be the worse sentence ever written. WTF?  What is the subject or verb?  What does it mean?  Can anyone repair it?

Do Republicans know that a place with no law is the opposite of totalitarianism?  Do words having meaning for these people?


If you insist they make sense of existing words, they'll just invent new ones like Newt Gingrich.
 
2014-08-25 12:49:11 PM  

Mugato: Lot of trollish conservative stories today.


When was the last time we didn't get a trollish conservative submission?
 
2014-08-25 12:49:33 PM  
That's just stupid, liberals don't want anyone to have guns.
 
2014-08-25 12:50:33 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Mugato: Lot of trollish conservative stories today.

When was the last time we didn't get a trollish conservative submission?


November 7th, 2008 or there abouts.
 
2014-08-25 12:52:50 PM  
The alternative to the rule of law is the rule of power. And the rule of power is always the rule of men with guns.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-25 12:53:07 PM  
The alternative to the rule of law is the rule of power. And the rule of power is always the rule of men with guns.

And this is a bad thing how!!?? I thought guns were a good thing??

Wayne LaPierre and the gun furri
OH EXCUSE ME PLEASE I'M SO SORRY TO BE MERELY SNARKY, I MUST NOT ATTEMPT TO START A FLAME WAR must be salivating gushers.
 
2014-08-25 12:53:11 PM  
Eventually, I'll get around to writing up a mad libs program to write these kind of articles.  Just start off by listing a bunch of things Obama or liberals have done (or at least in this case, things conservatives think was done by liberals), and then start listing a bunch of random bad things, with no attempt at logically connecting the two sides.

"Obama bombed ISIS targets and took a 2.3 Couric dump yesterday.  Of course you know, this means that an earthquake will happen in California and the Constitution has been flushed down the toilet!"

Shotgun sites like townhall with submissions of that, and you could get a blogging contract easy.
 
2014-08-25 12:53:30 PM  
Liberals are committed to destroying the rule of law because law, by treating all equally and recognizing their inalienable rights, frustrates their fascist impulses.

say what ??????? liberals are the new fascists ??? and if this dipshiat really was one law for everybody he'd be mad at perry too. and the popo in ferguson.
 
2014-08-25 12:54:31 PM  

DeaH: I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?


A ploy in what way? The Travis County DA's office has exactly zero to do with the indictment. A special prosecutor (Republican) was appointed and a grand jury empaneled by a state judge (Republican) after a complaint by a third-party watchdog group.
 
2014-08-25 12:55:34 PM  

mrshowrules: "Of course, those of us who is served in places where there was no law, where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society, already know."

This may possibly be the worse sentence ever written. WTF?  What is the subject or verb?  What does it mean?  Can anyone repair it?

Do Republicans know that a place with no law is the opposite of totalitarianism?  Do words having meaning for these people?


It's a buzzword shiat sandwich. What do you expect, something that makes sense?
 
2014-08-25 12:56:57 PM  

SphericalTime: Wow.  All of those liberal Texas Republicans that indicted a sitting governor through a grand jury sure were crafty and smart.


Seriously. Who does Clown Hall think they are fooling with this crap?

Oh, right, their narrative-addicted reality-resistant, perpetually-martyred readership.

Sure is getting derpy up in here today with all these RW pants-on-head links.

[toomuchwhargaarbl]
 
2014-08-25 12:57:24 PM  
No, seriously after the Bundy Circus I thought the rule of the gun was what these folks wanted and prayed for and craved.
 
2014-08-25 12:58:26 PM  

qorkfiend: DeaH: I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?

A ploy in what way? The Travis County DA's office has exactly zero to do with the indictment. A special prosecutor (Republican) was appointed and a grand jury empaneled by a state judge (Republican) after a complaint by a third-party watchdog group.


It's a ploy to make Perry look more electable as President by establishing his "unjustly oppressed by liberals" bona fides.
 
2014-08-25 12:59:33 PM  
 
2014-08-25 01:00:14 PM  

mrshowrules: "Of course, those of us who is served in places where there was no law, where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society, already know."

This may possibly be the worse sentence ever written. WTF?  What is the subject or verb?  What does it mean?  Can anyone repair it?

Do Republicans know that a place with no law is the opposite of totalitarianism?  Do words having meaning for these people?


"When I use a word", Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

/Have pulled this out more than once in regard to right-wing posters on this site...
 
2014-08-25 01:00:46 PM  

Mugato: Lot of trollish conservative stories today.


you mean valid opinions that liberals try to shout down because are afraid to hear, right
 
2014-08-25 01:02:50 PM  

qorkfiend: DeaH: I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?

A ploy in what way? The Travis County DA's office has exactly zero to do with the indictment. A special prosecutor (Republican) was appointed and a grand jury empaneled by a state judge (Republican) after a complaint by a third-party watchdog group.


It's obviously a plot by deep-cover RINOs to eliminate Perry as a candidate for 2015.  This is because Clinton's afraid of him.  Study out the actual funding--not just the stuff they reported, but the real money trail, and you'll probably end up Vinced before you find the Truth, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
 
2014-08-25 01:03:06 PM  

Caffienatedjedi: I self identify as right of center and I want to punch this guy in the face. Mudslinging is cute, insinuating that people on the left are fat when they are the ones that push the enforcement of healthy food.

So when can we burn both parties down and start over? I kinda like the UKs  system that requires coalitions, though I hear they share a lot of problems.


The UK system does not require coilitions.  It sometimes allows them, but most of the time one party dominates Parliament.

And the British and American systems are pretty much incompatible.  They may have started from a common core, but they have developed in such different ways that trying to incorporate anything more than superficial changes from one to the other would break something.
 
2014-08-25 01:07:15 PM  

mrshowrules: "Of course, those of us who is served in places where there was no law, where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society, already know."

This may possibly be the worse sentence ever written. WTF?  What is the subject or verb?  What does it mean?  Can anyone repair it?

Do Republicans know that a place with no law is the opposite of totalitarianism?  Do words having meaning for these people?


"Of course, we already know.  We who have served in places where there was no law, places where leftists and other aspiring totalitarians ignored the rules and norms of civil society."

/Best guess
//Appositives shouldn't be like inception
///Just one level per
 
2014-08-25 01:08:19 PM  
One protester, a former Arizona sheriff named Richard Mack, told Fox News about the militia's plans if violence broke out in Bunkerville. "We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."

April 12, 2014: BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

The Bundy son who was tasered said, "We won the battle." He told another outlet, "The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun."

April 14, 2014: BLM also pledges that this isn't done. A spokesperson for the bureau said this Sunday, "The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this."

Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions. "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is," one person told a local TV station.


FTFClownHall troll article:


If there is no law, there is no moral reason not to pick up a rifle and take what you want. The moral imperative of the law is that you will obey and respect it even if you disagree with it because it was justly imposed and will be fairly enforced. But if the law is neither justly imposed nor fairly enforced, that moral obligation disappears.

I walked through the burnt-out villages of Kosovo after the moral imperative of the law there had disappeared. The baffling concept that half of America will simply shrug their shoulders and submit to the dictatorship of the other half is as dangerous as it is misguided and foolish. When you toss out the law, bad things happen.
This is a major theme of my new book, Conservative Insurgency, a speculative future history of the struggle to restore our country, and the consequences of short-sighted attacks on the rule of law for short-term political gain are not pleasant.

Damn, just another stupid shill advert for yet another stupid tea party spank book.
 
2014-08-25 01:10:49 PM  

Just say NO! to Partisan Paid Provocateur Links!

Say NO! to American Thinker.  Say NO! to Daily KOS. Say NO! to ThinkProgress. Say NO! to NewsBusters.

 
2014-08-25 01:18:09 PM  
The article is succinct and very easy to comprehend so long as it is read with the understanding that the author was both drunk and suffering from a stroke when writing it.
 
2014-08-25 01:22:55 PM  

qorkfiend: DeaH: I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?

A ploy in what way? The Travis County DA's office has exactly zero to do with the indictment. A special prosecutor (Republican) was appointed and a grand jury empaneled by a state judge (Republican) after a complaint by a third-party watchdog group.


Going after Perry, who I personally believe to be an idiot and all-around awful guy, for trying to force a D.A. with a drunk driving record to quit reads like a ploy to me. It may not be a ploy by Democrats, but it seems sketchy - like the prosecutors are guarding their own territory.
 
2014-08-25 01:30:48 PM  

DeaH: qorkfiend: DeaH: I'll grant that the indictment is a ploy, but a gun grab?

A ploy in what way? The Travis County DA's office has exactly zero to do with the indictment. A special prosecutor (Republican) was appointed and a grand jury empaneled by a state judge (Republican) after a complaint by a third-party watchdog group.

Going after Perry, who I personally believe to be an idiot and all-around awful guy, for trying to force a D.A. with a drunk driving record to quit reads like a ploy to me. It may not be a ploy by Democrats, but it seems sketchy - like the prosecutors are guarding their own territory.


Really, is it that hard to believe that persecutors feel that Perry crossed a line even he withheld funds in order to force the resignation of an elected official? Imagine the shiatstorm if Obama withheld highway funding from Texas until Perry resigned.
 
2014-08-25 01:32:02 PM  
Wait a minute... did the headline say something about LIberals "increasing" gun ownership??  Really... are we in wacko world.... who would ever admit that... on either side of the fence...
 
2014-08-25 01:32:36 PM  

Jackson Herring: you mean valid opinions that liberals try to shout down because are afraid to hear, right


You have a strange understanding of Valid opinion, An opinion is valid when facts can bear out some of them. From what I have seen, nobody is trying to take away guns, the people indicting Rick Perry are Republicans too, yes, people who are white in America do have it easier than people who are black, and global warming exists, Reaganomics has been an absolute disaster for this nation, there were no WMDS and invading Iraq was worse for America, and women can't "Shut down" rape.

So far, all the GOP's opinions are all based on shadow conspiracy theories and "Big money unions" trying to take away "Your rights", it's just fearmongering that has no basis in reality. Same with the Perry indictment-- You may believe that this is done on partisan grounds, but I assure you, as a Texan, than Ricky Bobby has been playing a bit too fast and loose with his powers for the people of Texas to handle.
 
2014-08-25 01:32:51 PM  
Oh yeah? Name one liberal that has that kind of power?
 
2014-08-25 01:33:22 PM  

THAT DON'T MAKE ANY GOT-DAMN SENSE!

 
2014-08-25 01:34:26 PM  

neversubmit: Oh yeah? Name one liberal that has that kind of power?


Obama.  Assuming, of course, that it's currently not "empty suit week" and that Obama actually qualifies as a liberal.
 
2014-08-25 01:34:27 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Really, is it that hard to believe that persecutors feel that Perry crossed a line even he withheld funds in order to force the resignation of an elected official? Imagine the shiatstorm if Obama withheld highway funding from Texas until Perry resigned.


Bingo. And, we're done here.

Attention Republicans--If Obama did that to a US state, yes, he would (and should) be indicted. So why does Perry get a pass?
 
2014-08-25 01:34:34 PM  

Kittypie070: No, seriously after the Bundy Circus I thought the rule of the gun was what these folks wanted and prayed for and craved.


Unless of course those with the guns are blah.
 
2014-08-25 01:35:41 PM  

Wessoman: Jackson Herring: you mean valid opinions that liberals try to shout down because are afraid to hear, right

You have a strange understanding of Valid opinion, An opinion is valid when facts can bear out some of them. From what I have seen, nobody is trying to take away guns, the people indicting Rick Perry are Republicans too, yes, people who are white in America do have it easier than people who are black, and global warming exists, Reaganomics has been an absolute disaster for this nation, there were no WMDS and invading Iraq was worse for America, and women can't "Shut down" rape.

So far, all the GOP's opinions are all based on shadow conspiracy theories and "Big money unions" trying to take away "Your rights", it's just fearmongering that has no basis in reality. Same with the Perry indictment-- You may believe that this is done on partisan grounds, but I assure you, as a Texan, than Ricky Bobby has been playing a bit too fast and loose with his powers for the people of Texas to handle.


that sure is a post you made
 
2014-08-25 01:36:28 PM  

s2s2s2: So is THIS the thread where I post this?

Gov. Rick Perry personally called a well-known Austin Democrat to discuss her interest in replacing Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg days before the public learned Perry was threatening to withhold state funding from Lehmberg's office unless she resigned.


What does this show?  I don't get it.
 
2014-08-25 01:38:37 PM  

Kittypie070: No, seriously after the Bundy Circus I thought the rule of the gun was what these folks wanted and prayed for and craved.


It is, so long as it's their gun.

Laws are ultimately enforced by... well, force.  In between, there's civility, custom, threat of force, etc, and most of us don't actually need it to be illegal to steal or murder, we wouldn't do those things based on personal moral and ethical codes. We might deviate on some stuff, of course--like marijuana. However, there's always going to be a chunk of humanity that doesn't obey the law, and another chunk that only obeys it because of the threat of force (and actual force).  The second chunk there wants to be able to exert enough of their own force to either resist the government's use of force (either literally or through too high a cost), or better yet, have so much of their own force they become the de facto lawmakers in their sphere of influence.

I'm not overjoyed with a lot of our government's decisions, but I'm also not afraid of them taking my house/car/stuff and throwing me in a FEMA concentration camp either.  Why? Because that's not how society works, and it sure isn't what I'd do if I were in charge.

These folks are afraid of the government, and that laundry list of imaginary complaints, the things they claim government does/is about to do?  They are afraid because that's what they'd do if they were in charge.
 
2014-08-25 01:43:32 PM  

Wessoman: HMS_Blinkin: Really, is it that hard to believe that persecutors feel that Perry crossed a line even he withheld funds in order to force the resignation of an elected official? Imagine the shiatstorm if Obama withheld highway funding from Texas until Perry resigned.

Bingo. And, we're done here.

Attention Republicans--If Obama did that to a US state, yes, he would (and should) be indicted. So why does Perry get a pass?


It seems like they like to get after the fact that the DA in question had gotten a DUI, while hypocritically leading some kind of anti-drunk driving effort.  I'm not saying that's an ok thing to do (and I don't think anyone is), but it's not the executive branch's business to force the resignation of someone in a non-appointed position like that.  The DA needed to either resign or be removed by the voters.  And Perry (stupidly) made it VERY publicly clear that the funding was tied to whether or not the DA resigned.  I imagine that politicians pressure other politicians like that pretty regularly, but they keep some level of plausible deniability.  Perry eliminated his own plausible deniability with his own self-incriminating statements.
 
2014-08-25 01:47:37 PM  

mrshowrules: s2s2s2: So is THIS the thread where I post this?

Gov. Rick Perry personally called a well-known Austin Democrat to discuss her interest in replacing Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg days before the public learned Perry was threatening to withhold state funding from Lehmberg's office unless she resigned.

What does this show?  I don't get it.


Obviously it shows that Rick Perry shouldn't have to be accountable for his actions because a liberal.
 
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