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(ZDNet)   "Microsoft faces 4 daunting challenges with Win9" How to add a start button, how to make a desktop version, how to make people stop reading shiatty reviews without trying, how to beg Bill Gates to come out of retirement   (zdnet.com) divider line 108
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2014-08-25 08:16:30 AM  
Maybe we could all send Bill Gates a dollar.
 
2014-08-25 08:54:59 AM  
I'm pretty amused by the big "f*ck you" Google is giving Microsoft...based off of what I read in the article, anyway.
 
2014-08-25 09:29:52 AM  

xanadian: I'm pretty amused by the big "f*ck you" Google is giving Microsoft...based off of what I read in the article, anyway.


As the article mentions, if MS was hit by a competition lawsuit a decade ago then why isn't Google sued today?
Having said that, while I really miss Chrome on my surface RT there are third-party YouTube apps that do a better job than the official one on my Android phone. Like removing the ads and playing offline without an internet connection for example.
 
2014-08-25 09:50:44 AM  
Can't they just go back to 7, but better backbone? There is a limit on UI improvement, and forcing the touch screen fad onto desktop users only drives them away. And everyone jumps on the UI bandwagon, because I've seen it start crossing over into more popular Linux distributions, though not to the level of junk that is Metro.
 
2014-08-25 09:54:52 AM  
You know, I have a win8 phone and surface pro 2 and I have no problems with the tile system. Works far better than the Android UI (in terms of easy to find apps and simple navigation) and I find it to be a rather ideal UI for tablets

That said, they better have learned their lessons with 8 and will put out win9 with a "desktop mode" and "tablet mode" when installing/setting up the computer for the first time.
 
2014-08-25 10:20:29 AM  

somedude210: You know, I have a win8 phone and surface pro 2 and I have no problems with the tile system. Works far better than the Android UI (in terms of easy to find apps and simple navigation) and I find it to be a rather ideal UI for tablets

That said, they better have learned their lessons with 8 and will put out win9 with a "desktop mode" and "tablet mode" when installing/setting up the computer for the first time.


I agree. I've got the RT and metro works great on it. But I still avoid it on my desk pc and have Classic Shell to ensure I never have to see it.
 
2014-08-25 10:26:02 AM  

Flint Ironstag: I agree. I've got the RT and metro works great on it. But I still avoid it on my desk pc and have Classic Shell to ensure I never have to see it.


I refused to get an RT because I hated the concept of a closed down system (away from 3rd party apps), but I am still impressed by how well it is for such a toned down tablet.

I still love my pro though, that thing is amazing for a tablet. Girlfriend has iPad and picked up the surface the first time. Her Weeners: "I like how this actually has weight to it where you don't feel like you can snap it in half easily"

/Surface Pro 2
//heavy enough to kill someone with it
 
2014-08-25 10:41:48 AM  

somedude210: Flint Ironstag: I agree. I've got the RT and metro works great on it. But I still avoid it on my desk pc and have Classic Shell to ensure I never have to see it.

I refused to get an RT because I hated the concept of a closed down system (away from 3rd party apps), but I am still impressed by how well it is for such a toned down tablet.

I still love my pro though, that thing is amazing for a tablet. Girlfriend has iPad and picked up the surface the first time. Her Weeners: "I like how this actually has weight to it where you don't feel like you can snap it in half easily"

/Surface Pro 2
//heavy enough to kill someone with it


I have a Pro 1 and I left it in my car one day on accident and that thing was like molten metal.  Only touching pans out of an oven were hotter than that thing, luckly seats in cars are nice and soft because that thing was dropped so fast.  Anyway my point is are the newer ones the same way? You could easily kill someone with them.
 
2014-08-25 10:42:54 AM  

somedude210: Girlfriend has iPad and picked up the surface the first time. Her Weeners: "I like how this actually has weight to it where you don't feel like you can snap it in half easily"


I'm glad your girlfriend has a weener that has a good deal of weight and doesn't snap in half easily.

/filterpwnage classic!!!!
 
2014-08-25 10:51:28 AM  

Tax Boy: I'm glad your girlfriend has a weener that has a good deal of weight and doesn't snap in half easily.

/filterpwnage classic!!!!


hahahaha wow.

"her 1st c0mment"

TNel: I have a Pro 1 and I left it in my car one day on accident and that thing was like molten metal. Only touching pans out of an oven were hotter than that thing, luckly seats in cars are nice and soft because that thing was dropped so fast. Anyway my point is are the newer ones the same way? You could easily kill someone with them.


I would imagine so, they pro 2 is metal. Did the heat kill the tablet or did you wait until it cooled down before turning it back on?
 
2014-08-25 10:53:57 AM  
What's wrong with Windows 7 that we need 8 or 9?
 
2014-08-25 10:55:10 AM  
My wife just got a 2-in-1 with W8. It's large enough that the keyboard is usable and small enough that the touch screen doesn't require gorilla shoulders. I suspect 8 would be hell on a desktop, though.
 
2014-08-25 10:56:22 AM  
www.vincentabry.com
 
2014-08-25 10:56:26 AM  

foo monkey: What's wrong with Windows 7 that we need 8 or 9?


History says 9 will be good. But yeah 7 was their best ever.
 
2014-08-25 11:01:50 AM  

somedude210: I would imagine so, they pro 2 is metal. Did the heat kill the tablet or did you wait until it cooled down before turning it back on?


No it didn't kill it, waited till it was cool and it was fine but my god was it hot.

Decillion: History says 9 will be good. But yeah 7 was their best ever.


8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.
 
2014-08-25 11:04:32 AM  

TNel: somedude210: Flint Ironstag: I agree. I've got the RT and metro works great on it. But I still avoid it on my desk pc and have Classic Shell to ensure I never have to see it.

I refused to get an RT because I hated the concept of a closed down system (away from 3rd party apps), but I am still impressed by how well it is for such a toned down tablet.

I still love my pro though, that thing is amazing for a tablet. Girlfriend has iPad and picked up the surface the first time. Her Weeners: "I like how this actually has weight to it where you don't feel like you can snap it in half easily"

/Surface Pro 2
//heavy enough to kill someone with it

I have a Pro 1 and I left it in my car one day on accident and that thing was like molten metal.  Only touching pans out of an oven were hotter than that thing, luckly seats in cars are nice and soft because that thing was dropped so fast.  Anyway my point is are the newer ones the same way? You could easily kill someone with them.


In case your looking to replace, I recently bought the Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 2 367927U  (make sure its the one that says with Stylus).

It has a Wacom tablet built into it just like the Pro 2, and its battery last all day unlike the Pro 2. Its a Atom processor that is about 20% slower than the processor in the Pro 2, but you get over twice the battery life in trade.You'll need to buy a bluetooth keyboard for it. I got one of these http://www.amazon.com/NEWSTYLE-Universal-Portfolio-Detachable-Transfo r mer/dp/B00JUT75GO
Only "issue" with it is that your USB port is blocked unless you put it in upside down (which is doable as the screen can be rotated easily), at which point the pen get inserted from the bottom, which is doable but annoying.
 
2014-08-25 11:05:26 AM  
I see no reason they can't make it work like Win 7 and contain any and all underhood improvements of Win 8.   Even Win 8 supporters never specify why anyone should bother to learn a new UI just to use that OS.  Their best reasons always turn out to be things that could work just as easily with the Win 7 way of doing things.
 
2014-08-25 11:06:02 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Having said that, while I really miss Chrome on my surface RT there are third-party YouTube apps that do a better job than the official one on my Android phone. Like removing the ads and playing offline without an internet connection for example.


I have both Windows RT and 8.1 Tablets and Android and Kindle tablets (and ithings but I never even turn them on) and I have to say that most third-party Youtube apps suck. Non-rooted Kindle doesn't have an official Youtube app either, but most of the clients I've found for either the ModernUI on Windows or on FireOS have some kind of crummy presentation that perhaps skips Google's ads on Youtube videos, but trades it for some fairly large percentage of the screen being devoted to third party ads. You're also giving up things like screencasting support that are baked in to a number of Google applications.

For Windows RT specifically, one of my biggest gripes is how few applications can really access the file system in any meaningful way. It's actually confusing at times to figure out when something has been stored locally or in Skydrive.I actually like my Surface2 as a device for doing WORK since it's light, has great support for printing and scanning, and has a full version of Office 2013 on it, but the inconsistency in filesystem access drives me nuts.

Windows RT is also missing a GOOD local media player. Almost all the software in the Windows Store is for some sort of streaming and most of the rest might as well be reskins of the default

Finally, there's A LOT of for-pay scamware in the the Windows Store. If you do a search for something like Chrome or itunes, you'll find some jerk selling a $4 set of instructions for downloading Chrome or itunes onto Windows 8. Microsoft should be policing that stuff a lot better than it does.

Honestly, I really do like my Surface2. It's a perfectly decent tablet. It's just that it's the tablet I use for my boring IT job and not the fun, cool things I do on all the other mobile devices I have.

And finally, here's my obligatory "There's nothing wrong with Windows 8. I support it in my organization and I appreciate the improvements it has over Windows 7 and I wish more people would try it. The tiles are different but they're not actually bad and you don't even have to use them if you don't want to."
 
2014-08-25 11:08:50 AM  

foo monkey: What's wrong with Windows 7 that we need 8 or 9?


There's a lot of under the hood improvements that are really nice on 8, so it will be nice to have a version that is designed to be less annoying on a desktop or non-touchscreen laptop.

For example, being able to use Bitlocker to secure an external drive is very nice, especially some things they did to streamline using encrypted drives, like being able to have it not ask you a password when logged in to your user account on your own computer. Win 8 is also great about "remembering" different external configurations depending on what monitors are plugged in.
 
2014-08-25 11:10:38 AM  

TNel: somedude210: I would imagine so, they pro 2 is metal. Did the heat kill the tablet or did you wait until it cooled down before turning it back on?

No it didn't kill it, waited till it was cool and it was fine but my god was it hot.

Decillion: History says 9 will be good. But yeah 7 was their best ever.

8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.


I installed Windows 8 on a virtual machine that required a manual network setup.

The system demanded activation before completion of setup. While I possess a corporate license key, I was unable to activate due to a lack of an Internet connection. I could not configure the network settings to allow an Internet connection because Windows setup had not completed.

Windows 7's setup did not feature such an idiotic design decision.
 
2014-08-25 11:10:44 AM  
I still prefer the simplicity of the Win95 interface. I want my desktop as clean and easy to use as possible.

And keyboard shortcuts. For everything. I should never have to use a mouse. It's so much faster.
 
2014-08-25 11:12:39 AM  

DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]


In no way could Windows 3.1 be considered "good". It was what we were stuck with.

Windows 95 was good, also. And Windows 2000 was good, but isn't on that list. Everybody always forgets about Windows 2000, but it was pretty great.
 
2014-08-25 11:13:25 AM  

TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.


I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.
 
2014-08-25 11:14:56 AM  

TNel: 8.1 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.


Having it default to Desktop mode means never having to deal with tiles.  I don't need any add-ons to be happy with the way 8.1 behaves.  The lack of a Start Menu doesn't really bother me that much anyway, since the way I usually launch programs without shortcuts on my desktop is to push the Window key on my keyboard, start typing the program name, and hit Enter.  Since that still works, I'm good to go.
 
2014-08-25 11:14:57 AM  

TNel: somedude210: I would imagine so, they pro 2 is metal. Did the heat kill the tablet or did you wait until it cooled down before turning it back on?

No it didn't kill it, waited till it was cool and it was fine but my god was it hot.

Decillion: History says 9 will be good. But yeah 7 was their best ever.

8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.



Or if you don't give a raining goddamn about upgrading to a touchscreen interface when you only have a desktop PC.  But yes, we're all old and stupid, since we don't like Windows 8.  I'll meet everyone in this thread later at Old Country Buffet so we can complain about our grandkids and eat soggy tater tots.

People did not like the interface.  It was a superior OS with a terrible interface.  Some people put time into working with it, and now are used to it.  The rest of us figured that MS would see the problem and move on to step two of the "terrible-good cycle."

If anything, those of us who stuck with 7 should be mocking you early adopters for being the paying guinea pigs.

/successful troll is successful
//still a troll
///WHY IS IT STILL MONDAY
 
2014-08-25 11:15:13 AM  

Caffienatedjedi: Can't they just go back to 7, but better backbone? There is a limit on UI improvement, and forcing the touch screen fad onto desktop users only drives them away. And everyone jumps on the UI bandwagon, because I've seen it start crossing over into more popular Linux distributions, though not to the level of junk that is Metro.


A touch screen UI forced onto a system that isn't touch screen is in fact full retard.
 
2014-08-25 11:15:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.


They at least fixed that with 8.1.  Now you just have to right-click the "Start" button and shutdown is right there.
 
2014-08-25 11:18:13 AM  

NeoCortex42: Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.

They at least fixed that with 8.1.  Now you just have to right-click the "Start" button and shutdown is right there.


I missed that gem somehow.  Good to know.  Thanks!
 
2014-08-25 11:25:05 AM  
I've used Win 8 and I can find nothing to complain about. They changed the style of a menu but it's still damn near the same thing. The OS is snappy and responsive and works fine.
 
2014-08-25 11:26:44 AM  

TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.


To be fair, it was misguided change, trying to create one interface that would work across all form factors, from an 8" tablet to a 27" desktop. It was the equivalent of GM deciding that it would stop making separate models of sports cars and pickup trucks because the El Camino should be able to meet the needs of everyone.

It just wasn't a reasonable goal, because touch based tablets and mouse-driven desktops have such different user interactions, there is just no way to build one UI that would rule them all, so you wound up with terrible, unintuitive user interactions like requiring someone with a mouse to drag down from the top of a Metro app to close it (which finally got fixed in Update 1 with the addition of a X to close the apps), or having charms pop up whenever you mouse down to the lower right of the screen, which we all know has NOTHING there that you might want to interact with.

The whole UI was a hot mess and Steve Sinofsky, the guy who was behind the project was basically fired from Microsoft a matter of weeks after the Win 8 launched. It's not a matter of being old and stubborn to refuse to just sit there and accept it when someone tries to piss on you and tell you that it is rain.
 
2014-08-25 11:27:25 AM  

realmolo: DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]

In no way could Windows 3.1 be considered "good". It was what we were stuck with.

Windows 95 was good, also. And Windows 2000 was good, but isn't on that list. Everybody always forgets about Windows 2000, but it was pretty great.


2000 was actually okay, I think folks mentally just meld that with ME, which was considered a failure.

The windows pattern isn't really concrete. I think it's fairer just to say "There's little reason to upgrade to every new release of Windows when companies are still supporting the two to three before it."
 
2014-08-25 11:27:34 AM  

Russ1642: I've used Win 8 and I can find nothing to complain about. They changed the style of a menu but it's still damn near the same thing. The OS is snappy and responsive and works fine.


In case you missed it, their tiles interface is hideously ugly.  No amount of functionality will allow me to look at that abomination for more than a couples of minutes without getting nauseous.
 
2014-08-25 11:27:44 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.


We got mom a new laptop last Christmas. I had to Google 'shutdown Win8' to turn the damn thing off.

Few minutes later I found a Shortcut I could put on the screen, since it would take like 10 tries for the UI to register the mouse move from the edge of the screen.

Works great on a tablet.
 
2014-08-25 11:27:47 AM  

taoistlumberjak: People did not like the interface. It was a superior OS with a terrible interface. Some people put time into working with it, and now are used to it. The rest of us figured that MS would see the problem and move on to step two of the "terrible-good cycle."


Because a few loud internet reviews said it was garbage means its garbage?  8 has the same issues that Vista had, Vista was a very nice OS if you had a new computer with at least 2 gigs of RAM.  Vista failed because of OEMs, the OS is very nice.  8 had the issue of online reviewers bashing it so other's bashed it without even giving it enough time to get used to it.

My biggest fault is the metro version of IE.  It's ok but there is too many little things that hold it back.  On the touchscreen it's easy to get to the other tabs on a PC I had to search to find out.  Also there isn't anyway to clear all of the tabs at one time (at least that I have found), so if you end up with 30 tabs you have to exit out of each tab.

8 is fine if you are willing to spend even a few minutes of playing with it.  8.1 fixed almost every issue people have excepting the start bar and after using it on my home pc (non-touch) for the last 2 weeks I do not miss the start menu.  Most important items are pinned to taskbar, then the rest go on the desktop.  Simple.
 
2014-08-25 11:30:11 AM  

Witty_Retort: Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.

We got mom a new laptop last Christmas. I had to Google 'shutdown Win8' to turn the damn thing off.

Few minutes later I found a Shortcut I could put on the screen, since it would take like 10 tries for the UI to register the mouse move from the edge of the screen.

Works great on a tablet.


Have her upgrade to 8.1, the shutdown is right next to the login name at the top of metro or you can right click on the windows button.
 
2014-08-25 11:32:23 AM  
TNel: *snip*

My biggest fault is the metro version of IE.


FTFY.
 
2014-08-25 11:33:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.


Update 1 also added power options right on the Start Screen for laptops/desktops.

I never did get the complaints about making shutdown hard to get to. Since hibernation and sleep finally got fixed in WIn 7 so that they work like they should, the only time I actually ever shut down my laptop is when a new update requires it to install or a app/hardware install needs a reboot. Otherwise, I just shut the lid and let it sleep. It's just something that I never do often enough to feel that it needs to be front and center. It's not like the Win 98 days where you needed a full reboot every day to keep everything running smoothly.
 
2014-08-25 11:43:34 AM  

TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.


8.1, anyway.  Damn, that's a fast OS.
 
2014-08-25 11:45:16 AM  

realmolo: DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]

In no way could Windows 3.1 be considered "good". It was what we were stuck with.

Windows 95 was good, also. And Windows 2000 was good, but isn't on that list. Everybody always forgets about Windows 2000, but it was pretty great.


3.1 was shiat, but 3.11 was reasonably good for what it was at the time, when MS-DOS was still the primary OS.

But yes, the omission of Win2000 makes that image laughable.

Not to mention Windows NT, but that doesn't count because reasons.
 
2014-08-25 11:48:06 AM  

TNel: Have her upgrade to 8.1, the shutdown is right next to the login name at the top of metro or you can right click on the windows button.


Has it stopped bricking people's computers yet?

/never install updates till a couple weeks after release
 
2014-08-25 11:50:46 AM  

Decillion: foo monkey: What's wrong with Windows 7 that we need 8 or 9?

History says 9 will be good. But yeah 7 was their best ever.


2000 Pro was the best ever.  Windows has been going downhill ever since 2000.  I actually made the switch to Linux when I ran the first XP beta because I didn't like where the Windows UI was going.  I didn't like 7 for the same reasons, and only run 8.1 (with Classic Shell) because of DX11 and games.  I just hope 9 has a lightweight UI option.
 
2014-08-25 11:52:59 AM  

Witty_Retort: Has it stopped bricking people's computers yet?


8.1 Update 1 has been out for months.
 
2014-08-25 11:56:18 AM  

BlackPete: realmolo: DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]

In no way could Windows 3.1 be considered "good". It was what we were stuck with.

Windows 95 was good, also. And Windows 2000 was good, but isn't on that list. Everybody always forgets about Windows 2000, but it was pretty great.

3.1 was shiat, but 3.11 was reasonably good for what it was at the time, when MS-DOS was still the primary OS.

But yes, the omission of Win2000 makes that image laughable.

Not to mention Windows NT, but that doesn't count because reasons.


Prior to Win XP, there used to be a big split between the DOS based consumer versions of the OS and the NT based professional versions, so for the sake of clarity it is fair to leave out the pro side of the family because those were never really bad: Win NT 3.51, NT 4.0, and Win 2000.

For non-business users, the versions covered are accurate. Prior to XP, hardly anyone ever touched an NT based version of Windows outside of work or school.
 
2014-08-25 12:02:05 PM  

DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]


One thing I hate about that graphic is that I used Win3.x quite a bit, and it was complete dogshiat, even all by itself, and moreso compared to Win95.  95 was far from perfect at launch, but they did iron out many of the problems by the OSR2 release.
Also, it skips right over Win2k, which was a welcome delight compared to that piece of crap ME I had right before it.

If by Win9 they decide to stop fighting the userbase and give us what we want, as opposed to what they want, and allow us to disable bullshiat like Metro, I may finally upgrade from Win7.
 
2014-08-25 12:02:35 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Prior to Win XP, there used to be a big split between the DOS based consumer versions of the OS and the NT based professional versions, so for the sake of clarity it is fair to leave out the pro side of the family because those were never really bad: Win NT 3.51, NT 4.0, and Win 2000.

For non-business users, the versions covered are accurate. Prior to XP, hardly anyone ever touched an NT based version of Windows outside of work or school.


But XP was shiat until SP1 and then it was only ok, SP2 was/is what everyone remembers fondly about XP.  SP3 sucked for XP.  Vista was decent from the get go with the right hardware (drivers where it's biggest downfall which isn't MS's fault), 7 was good out the door and worked well due to vista drivers working for 7 also.  8 was ok out the door, major changes to UI but 8.1 is really a good OS and much better than 7.
 
2014-08-25 12:07:02 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Marcus Aurelius: TNel: 8 is the best ever if you are not old and are resistant to change.

I especially like how you have to go to the settings menu to shut the thing down.  That was a stroke of sheer genius.

Update 1 also added power options right on the Start Screen for laptops/desktops.

I never did get the complaints about making shutdown hard to get to. Since hibernation and sleep finally got fixed in WIn 7 so that they work like they should, the only time I actually ever shut down my laptop is when a new update requires it to install or a app/hardware install needs a reboot. Otherwise, I just shut the lid and let it sleep. It's just something that I never do often enough to feel that it needs to be front and center. It's not like the Win 98 days where you needed a full reboot every day to keep everything running smoothly.


I sometimes go days between charging my laptop. Im a truck driver and my wife and I rarely stop at truck stops. We have two laptops, her iPad, my Surface Pro and three smartphones. I write and do video editing on a laptop and draw on the Pro. By the time I get around to using a laptop or the Pro again the battery is dead if it isn't shut off.

I see no difference at all between the behavior of Win7 and Win8 on the two current laptops or the WinXP laptop I replaced last year in sleep/hibernation/shut down. Most of the time if the battery isn't dead I have to take out the battery because the machine is locked up. From where I'm sitting not one of the changes from XP to 8.1 has positively impacted my computer use except to make my favorite games unplayable on my current machines. Yes I know there's workarounds to get the games working but since my internet other than through mobile phone is maybe 2-3 hours a week if it doesn't work offline out of the box it is worthless to me. I can't tinker under the hood.
 
2014-08-25 12:07:45 PM  

Mad_Radhu: BlackPete: realmolo: DanZero: [www.vincentabry.com image 640x542]

In no way could Windows 3.1 be considered "good". It was what we were stuck with.

Windows 95 was good, also. And Windows 2000 was good, but isn't on that list. Everybody always forgets about Windows 2000, but it was pretty great.

3.1 was shiat, but 3.11 was reasonably good for what it was at the time, when MS-DOS was still the primary OS.

But yes, the omission of Win2000 makes that image laughable.

Not to mention Windows NT, but that doesn't count because reasons.

Prior to Win XP, there used to be a big split between the DOS based consumer versions of the OS and the NT based professional versions, so for the sake of clarity it is fair to leave out the pro side of the family because those were never really bad: Win NT 3.51, NT 4.0, and Win 2000.

For non-business users, the versions covered are accurate. Prior to XP, hardly anyone ever touched an NT based version of Windows outside of work or school.


You sound like someone who forgot about Windows ME and how that made A LOT of people switch to Windows 2000/NT (myself included).  ME and 98/98SE were such crap fests that plenty of people went to 2000 because, while 2K needed some tweaks at the time for drivers (within the first year of release), it was stable and fast.

Did a bit of searching and 2000 is still being updated by the scene.  A hacked kernel was released a few weeks ago and there are a few compatibility patches that emulate XP features, allowing almost anything XP to be installed on 2000.  Dammit, now I wish I had a spare partition to play with.
 
2014-08-25 12:08:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: so for the sake of clarity it is fair to leave out the pro side of the family because those were never really bad: Win NT 3.51, NT 4.0, and Win 2000.


I had to support NT3.51 and 4.0 back in the 90s.  When they worked and were locked down tight, they stayed pretty stable.  However, when they failed, they failed spectacularly.  It got to the point that when an NT4 workstation started acting up, we'd just give them a new PC, format the bad one and start from scratch.  It was faster than trying to fix the damn thing usually.
 
2014-08-25 12:21:47 PM  

likefunbutnot: Witty_Retort: Has it stopped bricking people's computers yet?

8.1 Update 1 has been out for months.


And it was pulled last week.
 
2014-08-25 12:24:16 PM  

Witty_Retort: likefunbutnot: Witty_Retort: Has it stopped bricking people's computers yet?

8.1 Update 1 has been out for months.

And it was pulled last week.


Thought that was Update 2.
 
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