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(Telegraph)   Someone who has no memory of 2008 writes about Rand Paul, "the possibility that such an enigmatic figure could waltz into the US presidential nomination borders on the astounding"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 77
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2014-08-24 04:28:05 PM  
That might have been the most pointless article I have ever read.
 
2014-08-24 05:10:05 PM  
No less astounding is the possibility that monkeys might fly out of my butt
 
2014-08-24 05:31:51 PM  
The British Press has had a hard-on for Rand Paul lately.  Even the BBC was running something about him recently.  They really don't get how British "conservative" and merkin "conservatives" share nothing in common other than a fear of brown people.
 
2014-08-24 05:38:29 PM  
*pees heartily in every pair of the Telegraph's shoes*
 
2014-08-24 05:38:36 PM  
Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL
 
2014-08-24 05:39:31 PM  
Rand Paul is enigmatic.

Does he think drones shouldn't be used against citizens, or does he think they should be used for every two-bit liquor store heist?
Does he think we should give money and arms to Israel, or does he think we should cut off all foreign aid to everyone including Israel?
Does he think he failed to get accredited as an ophthalmologist, or did get accredited by the board he made up?
Does he think gay marriage should be allowed, or does he think it should be up to the states which have already outlawed it?

He's ones of those enigma wraps with conundrum and riddle sauces.
 
2014-08-24 05:40:26 PM  

jaytkay: Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL


Don't forget Trump and the "this will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it" meme guy.
 
2014-08-24 05:44:56 PM  
Remember "The Community Charge"? Apparently the Telegraph doesn't either.
 
2014-08-24 05:51:42 PM  
The GOP has a huge political advantage in that the 65+ population largely votes for their candidates. But absent massive policy changes, Rand Paul is almost guaranteed to do worse than the average GOP candidate among those people. He wants to balance the budget tomorrow. The only way to do that is to cut (heavily) Medicare and Social Security benefits for people already on the programs. How many seniors are going to vote for him when they find out he wants to end their gravy train? My guess is a lot fewer than typically vote GOP.
 
2014-08-24 05:52:22 PM  
We will elect a new President in 2016 and we will be lucky to live through it.
 
2014-08-24 05:52:46 PM  
They sure spell "amoral opportunist" funny.
 
2014-08-24 05:52:57 PM  
If by "enigmatic figure" they mean "garden-variety Teabagger", then by golly they're right!
 
2014-08-24 05:56:13 PM  

jaytkay: Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL


And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

This bears repeating, though. This may have been the biggest joke of a major party presidential nomination bid since Pat Buchanan. The guy was so clearly out of his depth, yet it was so compelling to watch the trainwreck.
 
2014-08-24 05:58:34 PM  

Serious Black: The GOP has a huge political advantage in that the 65+ population largely votes for their candidates. But absent massive policy changes, Rand Paul is almost guaranteed to do worse than the average GOP candidate among those people. He wants to balance the budget tomorrow. The only way to do that is to cut (heavily) Medicare and Social Security benefits for people already on the programs. How many seniors are going to vote for him when they find out he wants to end their gravy train? My guess is a lot fewer than typically vote GOP.


They would only know that if someone asked him for details of his plan to balance the budget, and the American political system never forces a politician or candidate to explain how they will do what they promise.  Remember America is exceptional, facts and mathematics don't apply.
 
2014-08-24 05:58:46 PM  
Enigmatic is not charismatic, subby
 
2014-08-24 06:01:53 PM  

UNC_Samurai: .......

And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

This bears repeating, though. This may have been the biggest joke of a major party presidential nomination bid since Pat Buchanan. The guy was so clearly out of his depth, yet it was so compelling to watch the trainwreck.


I remember being a little sick to my stomach (literally) while listening to a relative going on about how Herman Cain's "9-9-9 plan" was such a genius tax plan.  Yeah, it's genius, let's model our federal government's major revenue stream after an old gimmick to sell sh/tty pizzas in goddamn Nebraska.
 
2014-08-24 06:04:13 PM  

Karac: jaytkay: Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL

Don't forget Trump and the "this will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it" meme guy.


I have it on good authority that, by gum,  it is Santorum's turn. As for Clown shoe Rand Paul:,he is more a whackadoodle than his dad (who made tons of money masquerading as a Presidential candidate.)
 
2014-08-24 06:07:31 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: The British Press has had a hard-on for Rand Paul lately.  Even the BBC was running something about him recently.  They really don't get how British "conservative" and merkin "conservatives" share nothing in common other than a fear of brown people.


Networks in the US have too. CBS Sunday Morning ran a profile of him recently, NBC nightly news had a feature on his work going abroad to do optometry in a poor area, and I think they were going to have an expanded profile of him on another one of their news shows.
 
2014-08-24 06:08:58 PM  
So, the Republicans could possibly run someone to the left of Hillary...
 
2014-08-24 06:09:51 PM  

Kittypie070: *pees heartily in every pair of the Telegraph's shoes*


You're supposed to do that in secret.
 
2014-08-24 06:11:36 PM  
He's no enigma and his presidential aspirations will be destroyed by youtube.
 
2014-08-24 06:12:30 PM  
Remember in 2012 when all the GOP dipsh*ts claimed God told them that they'd be president?
 
2014-08-24 06:17:21 PM  

UNC_Samurai: jaytkay: Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL

And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

This bears repeating, though. This may have been the biggest joke of a major party presidential nomination bid since Pat Buchanan. The guy was so clearly out of his depth, yet it was so compelling to watch the trainwreck.


The far right is, in a word, promiscuous. They'll latch onto any and every nitwit they think can challenge Obama, but once they crash and burn, they'll walk away and act like nothing happened.
 
2014-08-24 06:20:22 PM  
I'm glad I'm investing heavily in popcorn futures. 2016 is going to pay off bigtime.
 
2014-08-24 06:20:39 PM  
I don't care what they say, Matt Lewis doesn't look like a vampire at all. Granted the shot was very carefully posed, and it looks like sunlight. And there was that coffin malfunction in 2008.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-24 06:20:54 PM  
But he is a social moderate because he is for legalizing pot and gay marriage*

*-Actually AGAINST legalizing pot, gay marriage and abortion so basically is 100% same positions of social conservatives but for some reason people keep repeating the lie that he is a social liberal or moderate.
 
2014-08-24 06:36:25 PM  

Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,


So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link
 
2014-08-24 06:36:36 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: They really don't get how British "conservative" and merkin "conservatives" share nothing in common other than a fear of brown people.


well, british conservatives may fear them, but american conservatives downright loathe them.
 
2014-08-24 06:41:07 PM  
www.internetweekly.org
 
2014-08-24 06:43:56 PM  

gravy chugging cretin.: Kittypie070: *pees heartily in every pair of the Telegraph's shoes*

You're supposed to do that in secret.


I'm insolent.
 
2014-08-24 06:44:17 PM  

Corvus: But he is a social moderate because he is for legalizing pot and gay marriage*

*-Actually AGAINST legalizing pot, gay marriage and abortion so basically is 100% same positions of social conservatives but for some reason people keep repeating the lie that he is a social liberal or moderate.


Because his father discovered that if you mention that you may want to legalize pot, you can sell a whole lot of books to a whole new group of idiots.

Half the Ron Paul supporters I knew in my neighborhood only knew the pot stuff and were completely oblivious to all his other political opinions.
 
2014-08-24 06:54:30 PM  
I like the current spin that Democrats and Independents are going to vote for Paul because Clinton is a war hawk. We have 2 more years of this.
 
2014-08-24 06:54:40 PM  

UNC_Samurai: jaytkay: Remember in 2012 when conservative favorite Michele Bachmann was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Perry was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Rick Santorum was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite and unannounced candidate Sarah Palin was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.
And when conservative favorite Newt Gingrich was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

LOL conservative attention spans LOL

And when conservative favorite Herman Cain was the obvious frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

This bears repeating, though. This may have been the biggest joke of a major party presidential nomination bid since Pat Buchanan. The guy was so clearly out of his depth, yet it was so compelling to watch the trainwreck.


Herman's two weeks for front-runnership was only to prove that the GOP could entertain the idea of nominating a black guy.  They didn't really want to or plan to or even really entertain the idea of nominating a black guy, but it looked like they were thinking about it.  Style over substance, appearance over reality.
 
2014-08-24 06:56:01 PM  
what is the movie reference they're making when a character walks into the camera and you see signs fading around them?
 
2014-08-24 06:57:54 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link


Your such a liar.

No he thinks it should remain illegal and pot heads are stupid (it's what he said) Hillary has said she is open to the issues. Stop smoking bowls and listen to what they have actually said.

I explained this to you before and gave you links and you ignored them and pretended that Paul was pro-pot even though he said the opposite and I showed you that Hillary said she would be open to listening to legalization or other options.

Stop believing what you want to believe and believe what the reality actually is.
 
2014-08-24 06:58:24 PM  
scratch that, wrong thread... meant to go to the Simpsons thread.

/more interesting than Rand Paul
 
2014-08-24 06:58:59 PM  
And where does Rand Paul stand on people who exercise free speech?

www.democrats.com

On their heads, mostly.
 
2014-08-24 06:59:18 PM  

stoli n coke: Half the Ron Paul supporters I knew in my neighborhood only knew the pot stuff and were completely oblivious to all his other political opinions.


You mean they THINK he is pro-pot legalization even though he has said he is not and he has called pot heads stupid. But He tries to give the impression that he isn't that way and the pot heads keep eating it up.
 
2014-08-24 07:01:09 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link


I don't remember Hillary calling pot heads stupid like Paul did.

However Hillary is pro-medical MJ and open to seeing if legalizing works. Stop smoking a bowl and read the reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/hillary-clinton-marijuana_n _5 505379.html
 
2014-08-24 07:09:19 PM  
He's confusing enigmatic with opportunistic.  Rand's motivations are quite simplistic, actually - he sees a Mitt Romney-esque route to the White House by sounding like he's moderate while speaking to independents and nailing all the red-meat soundbites when he's speaking to the base.  Oh, and some sort of perpetual motion spin so that his directly, obviously contradicting stances don't cross streams; or if they do he can write criticism of that off as liberal gotchas moments.
 
2014-08-24 07:11:49 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link


Pragamtic?

Rand Paul: "I think people who use marijuana all the time lose IQ points, I think they lose their drive to show up for work. "

He also stressed that he didn't want to encourage kids to use the drug by arguing against a harsh enforcement policy, a line that he has used before.


Hillary Clinton:

"I think for people who are in extreme medical conditions and who have anecdotal evidence that it works, there should be availability under appropriate circumstances. But I do think we need more research because we don't know how it interacts with other drugs."

"On recreational, states are the laboratories of democracy," Clinton said. "We have at least two states that are experimenting with that right now. I want to wait and see what the evidence is."



You should actually read their positions. Paul's mind is made up that it makes you stupid and lazy. Hillary is open to having a discussion about it and make a decision based on the evidence. And you say Paul is being pragmatic?
 
2014-08-24 07:14:28 PM  

Hastor: He's confusing enigmatic with opportunistic.  Rand's motivations are quite simplistic, actually - he sees a Mitt Romney-esque route to the White House by sounding like he's moderate while speaking to independents and nailing all the red-meat soundbites when he's speaking to the base.  Oh, and some sort of perpetual motion spin so that his directly, obviously contradicting stances don't cross streams; or if they do he can write criticism of that off as liberal gotchas moments.


Yep. I find many people mistakenly believe he is a social moderate or liberal. It's so amazing how so many people are a big fan of his and have no idea what his actual positions are.
 
2014-08-24 07:16:46 PM  

Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link

Your such a liar.

No he thinks it should remain illegal and pot heads are stupid (it's what he said) Hillary has said she is open to the issues. Stop smoking bowls and listen to what they have actually said.

I explained this to you before and gave you links and you ignored them and pretended that Paul was pro-pot even though he said the opposite and I showed you that Hillary said she would be open to listening to legalization or other options.

Stop believing what you want to believe and believe what the reality actually is.


I gave you a link, not my fault you can't be bothered to read it.
 
2014-08-24 07:18:10 PM  

Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link

I don't remember Hillary calling pot heads stupid like Paul did.

However Hillary is pro-medical MJ and open to seeing if legalizing works. Stop smoking a bowl and read the reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/hillary-clinton-marijuana_n _5 505379.html


She never smoked...during the 60s. Riiiiiiiight.
 
2014-08-24 07:18:18 PM  

saintstryfe: what is the movie reference they're making when a character walks into the camera and you see signs fading around them?


The Lost Weekend, maybe?  Deliriously drunk guy stumble-running toward camera with bar/tavern/drink signs receding toward vanishing point.... I think that's Lost Weekend.
 
2014-08-24 07:22:21 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link

I don't remember Hillary calling pot heads stupid like Paul did.

However Hillary is pro-medical MJ and open to seeing if legalizing works. Stop smoking a bowl and read the reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/hillary-clinton-marijuana_n _5 505379.html

She never smoked...during the 60s. Riiiiiiiight.


So your complaint is that she may have smoked pot? Holy hell listen to yourself.

Hillary says she is open to changing the law. Rand Paul says all pot smokers are lazy idiots and said he will do nothing to change harsh laws against pot because of the children.

Maybe Rand Paul is right and pot smokers are idiots. Instead of making shiat up because you want to, pay attention to what actually is going on.
 
2014-08-24 07:31:08 PM  
Ow! That was my feelings!:

I gave you a link, not my fault you can't be bothered to read it.

Yes another news site pretends he is pro-legalization, when he has repeatedly said he is not and has called pot smokers stupid and lazy and he says he is not for legalizing pot and would not do anything to stop laws on the books with harsh enforcement.

It's what I have said already. He is trying to have it both ways. Just like he is doing for gay marriage which he is also against.

The "he is a social liberal" is a sham. All he is, is a neo-confederate. If a state made pot-smoking a criminal offensive for the death penalty he would have no problem with it and do nothing to stop it.
 
2014-08-24 07:36:22 PM  

Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: AGAINST legalizing pot,

So is Hillary. Paul at least seems pragmatic about MJ policy. Link

I don't remember Hillary calling pot heads stupid like Paul did.

However Hillary is pro-medical MJ and open to seeing if legalizing works. Stop smoking a bowl and read the reality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/hillary-clinton-marijuana_n _5 505379.html

She never smoked...during the 60s. Riiiiiiiight.

So your complaint is that she may have smoked pot? Holy hell listen to yourself.

Hillary says she is open to changing the law. Rand Paul says all pot smokers are lazy idiots and said he will do nothing to change harsh laws against pot because of the children.

Maybe Rand Paul is right and pot smokers are idiots. Instead of making shiat up because you want to, pay attention to what actually is going on.


Yes, Hillary is being opportunistic, how typical of her. And weed CAN make people who "use it all the time" stupid and lazy. Never met a stoner, huh?
 
2014-08-24 07:37:56 PM  

Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!:

I gave you a link, not my fault you can't be bothered to read it.

Yes another news site pretends he is pro-legalization, when he has repeatedly said he is not and has called pot smokers stupid and lazy and he says he is not for legalizing pot and would not do anything to stop laws on the books with harsh enforcement.

It's what I have said already. He is trying to have it both ways. Just like he is doing for gay marriage which he is also against.

The "he is a social liberal" is a sham. All he is, is a neo-confederate. If a state made pot-smoking a criminal offensive for the death penalty he would have no problem with it and do nothing to stop it.


His approach to Medical MJ is pragmatic and he has stated repeatedly that smokers should not face jail time.
 
2014-08-24 08:05:54 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Corvus: Ow! That was my feelings!:

I gave you a link, not my fault you can't be bothered to read it.

Yes another news site pretends he is pro-legalization, when he has repeatedly said he is not and has called pot smokers stupid and lazy and he says he is not for legalizing pot and would not do anything to stop laws on the books with harsh enforcement.

It's what I have said already. He is trying to have it both ways. Just like he is doing for gay marriage which he is also against.

The "he is a social liberal" is a sham. All he is, is a neo-confederate. If a state made pot-smoking a criminal offensive for the death penalty he would have no problem with it and do nothing to stop it.

His approach to Medical MJ is pragmatic and he has stated repeatedly that smokers should not face jail time.


So how is it that Clinton is "opportunistic" on this issue and Paul is not? And you do understand that Paul is against FEDERAL pot laws. I'm sure he would be just fine with states implementing laws to tar and feather people caught with a roach or a seed. States right and all. Open your bloodshot eyes. Paul is not your guy.
 
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