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2014-08-24 09:10:28 AM
For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.
 
2014-08-24 09:13:41 AM
Move on ffs.
 
2014-08-24 10:42:23 AM

Aar1012: For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.


It's not even a good movie either. I hate whiny SW fans almost as much as Bronies
 
2014-08-24 10:43:37 AM
Who gives a fark, anymore?
 
2014-08-24 10:44:06 AM
Jesus Christ, how many years has it been? MOVE ON!! And WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!! Trust me, there's a lot of better movies out there. You might like some of them.

 I used to love Star Wars, but the decades of incessant whining by the fanboys about every little goddamn thing has ruined it.
 
2014-08-24 10:44:48 AM

ThatBillmanGuy: Who gives a fark, anymore?


So much this!
 
2014-08-24 10:47:21 AM
If you want light hearted space opera(like Star Wars was intended to be before the fandorks decided it was all deep n' junk), Guardians of the Galaxy does that FAR better than SW ever did, IMO. Yeah, I said it.
 
2014-08-24 10:49:38 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Aar1012: For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.

It's not even a good movie either. I hate whiny SW fans almost as much as Bronies


Oh yes it is and goddamned all the punks on the internet that try to pretend the OT is retroactively as bad as the prequels.

I recaptured the ANH, ESB, ROTJ feeling the moment I saw Rocket Raccoon grab a machine gun and break out of space prison. It was that kind of joy. I felt like King Haggard seeing a unicorn.
 
2014-08-24 10:55:07 AM

El Freak: If you want light hearted space opera(like Star Wars was intended to be before the fandorks decided it was all deep n' junk), Guardians of the Galaxy does that FAR better than SW ever did, IMO. Yeah, I said it.


I felt the same way upon seeing GotG. Great movie.
 
2014-08-24 10:58:46 AM
Damning change #1 is: 'He created them from farking scratch and his imagination' .. right?
What an asshole.

/jk, i love sw
//only ever got jammed up by the han shooting change, EVERthing else is ~whatever~
 
2014-08-24 10:59:32 AM

ThatBillmanGuy: El Freak: If you want light hearted space opera(like Star Wars was intended to be before the fandorks decided it was all deep n' junk), Guardians of the Galaxy does that FAR better than SW ever did, IMO. Yeah, I said it.

I felt the same way upon seeing GotG. Great movie.


I was grinning like an idiot as soon as I saw Quill dancing through the alien temple, or whatever it was. At that point I knew I was gonna thoroughly enjoy the hell out of the movie.
 
2014-08-24 11:03:51 AM

Aar1012: For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.


I believe the  Fireflygeeks are worse.
 
2014-08-24 11:09:31 AM

El Freak: Jesus Christ, how many years has it been? MOVE ON!! And WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!! Trust me, there's a lot of better movies out there. You might like some of them.

 I used to love Star Wars, but the decades of incessant whining by the fanboys about every little goddamn thing has ruined it.


The same could be said for Firefly fans.
 
2014-08-24 11:10:47 AM
I watched The People V. George Lucas last night. The dude is a greedy hypocrite, and a bad writer.
 
2014-08-24 11:12:03 AM
I've got six versions of the OT and all of them are different.  That just seems crazy to me.  I can't think of any other movie that has gone through that many revisions.  Even Blade Runner only had about five versions.
 
2014-08-24 11:15:23 AM

texdent: El Freak: Jesus Christ, how many years has it been? MOVE ON!! And WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!! Trust me, there's a lot of better movies out there. You might like some of them.

 I used to love Star Wars, but the decades of incessant whining by the fanboys about every little goddamn thing has ruined it.

The same could be said for Firefly fans.


Did we just become best friends?
 
2014-08-24 11:19:51 AM

texdent: El Freak: Jesus Christ, how many years has it been? MOVE ON!! And WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!!! Trust me, there's a lot of better movies out there. You might like some of them.

 I used to love Star Wars, but the decades of incessant whining by the fanboys about every little goddamn thing has ruined it.

The same could be said for Firefly fans.


True, but a least there's not as many of them. I swear just about every blog, link aggregator or message board has at least one post per day about how George Lucas raped their inner child or some such nonsense. It's getting pretty sad at this point.
 
2014-08-24 11:35:22 AM
The SW movies are fun but that's about all.  I do remember the added scene with Han and Jabba, and the extended version of Jabba's band were both insultingly bad.  It would be nice to rewatch the movies again, but I don't feel like trying to figure out which version is worth it.
 
2014-08-24 11:35:43 AM
You thought George Lucas was bad... lets see what the new directors cook up!
 
2014-08-24 11:36:44 AM
I actually liked many updates, like for the Battle of Yavin in ANH, the expanded Cloud City in ESB, and the new celebration song in ROTJ. The only alterations that actually annoy me are Hayden Christiansen and Darth Vader's new "NO!" in ROTJ, because both were entirely unneccessary.
 
2014-08-24 11:43:46 AM
Since it hasn't been mentioned in the thread yet, if you want to view the original version of the OT, find a copy of Harmy's Despecialized Editions.  They are the closest we will get to HD versions of the theatrical versions for a while.  If you want to see what the "Special Editions" should have been, check out Adywan's Star Wars Revisited.  Only A New Hope is out now, with Empire due out relatively soon, though.

I don't have any problem with Lucas making the changes (although I think the majority of them were stupid).  What I dislike about the whole thing is his attempt to basically pretend the original versions are wiped from existence and don't deserve to be properly appreciated.  Whatever Lucas wants to do with new versions of his films is fine, but the original versions were immensely significant parts of film history and should always be available in as good a quality as possible.
 
2014-08-24 11:44:04 AM

Erix: It would be nice to rewatch the movies again, but I don't feel like trying to figure out which version is worth it.


That would be Adywans Star Wars Revisited:

www.guerrestellari.net

The movie is a fan edit that brings back all the source material the fanboys have been crying over, eliminates all the silly CGI add ons, corrected color & sound, and eliminated continuity/filming mistakes.

I'm pretty sure you can purchase a physical copy, but your best bet is the torrents. You should look up some Youtube videos to see side-by-side comparisons of the improvements. Here's a list of corrections off of the official website:
https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/anhr-change-list/
 
2014-08-24 11:44:29 AM

Erix: The SW movies are fun but that's about all.


This, mostly.  The updated version of ANH was almost an entirely new movie, but the other two were, 'that's nice'.  I will admit to being a 'Han-shot-first' partisan, but other than that they are simply big scale adventure stories that tell a tale I consider fun.
 
2014-08-24 11:46:38 AM

NeoCortex42: I've got six versions of the OT and all of them are different.  That just seems crazy to me.  I can't think of any other movie that has gone through that many revisions.  Even Blade Runner only had about five versions.


I picked up the Blade Runner Blu-Ray during Amazon's Cyber-Monday sale, for less than $10 bucks.  It's the one with the origami unicorn on the cover.  It has every version, plus the case itself is a little mini-book.

The Final Cut is obviously the best looking, but the Original still has a pretty good remaster.

I have the "Limited Edition" Star Wars DVDs with the original versions, and the originals look like utter shiat.  Even on my 50", it's a tiny box with black bars on all four sides.
 
2014-08-24 11:48:44 AM

blacksharpiemarker: Erix: It would be nice to rewatch the movies again, but I don't feel like trying to figure out which version is worth it.

That would be Adywans Star Wars Revisited:

[www.guerrestellari.net image 754x425]

The movie is a fan edit that brings back all the source material the fanboys have been crying over, eliminates all the silly CGI add ons, corrected color & sound, and eliminated continuity/filming mistakes.

I'm pretty sure you can purchase a physical copy, but your best bet is the torrents. You should look up some Youtube videos to see side-by-side comparisons of the improvements. Here's a list of corrections off of the official website:
https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/anhr-change-list/




Is this the version that digitally inserts Jar-Jar Binks?
 
2014-08-24 11:50:15 AM

Sgt Otter: I have the "Limited Edition" Star Wars DVDs with the original versions, and the originals look like utter shiat.  Even on my 50", it's a tiny box with black bars on all four sides.


Same here.  I get annoyed when people defend Lucas by saying "The original version are out on DVD!" referring to that release.  I'm not sure how much of the quality is Lucas completely not given a shiat, or if it was some scheme to make his current versions look that much better by comparison.
 
2014-08-24 11:50:21 AM
People that complain about Lucas crack me up.

He gave us the Star Wars Universe. We wouldn't have any of it, if it weren't for him.
 
2014-08-24 11:52:35 AM
The updated Empire was quite good. Most of it was cosmetic and adding bigger spaceships.
 
2014-08-24 11:56:23 AM

texdent: The same could be said for Firefly fans.


Eh, I'm  a Firefly fan and I don't give a shiat. It was a good show right from its first (only) season. No Star Trek show except the original can say that. And it was a good movie, no Trek movie since 4 or maybe 6 and the Borg one can say that. But it's over. I never whined about it. And most of the actors have some sort of gig, except poor Summer Glau I guess.
 
2014-08-24 12:00:54 PM

Doc Batarang: The updated Empire was quite good. Most of it was cosmetic and adding bigger spaceships.


The only thing that I didn't like about the changes in Empire (I'm sitting at a car dealership so I might as well get roped into this) was in the original, after Luke commits suicide by falling to his death on Bespin, the shot with a seething Vader and his scared shiatless minions behind him simply says "Bring my shuttle". In the SE he has some fruity line that doesn't even sound like JEJ and there's a detailed travelog of his journey to his Star Destroyer. That killed the scene.

/thought putting Hayden as Anakin's Force ghost only made sense
 
2014-08-24 12:06:45 PM

Mugato: And most of the actors have some sort of gig, except poor Summer Glau I guess.


She has a standing offer for a gig... in my pants.

As for SW -- I was 15 in the summer of '77, dead center perfect of the target market for the film. I saw it 30 times in its original run (not much else to do in 1977, what with no internet and all). For a long time, it was my favorite all time film (until I grew up -- that spot is now held by Lawrence of Arabia). So I do speak with some authority: I'm over it. Lucas didn't rape my childhood. I still watch SW films now and then, and I don't spazz out over which version I'm watching. I'll probably go see Episode VII when it comes out -- but just as likely might wait for the Blu-ray, since I'm, well, old now. Fighting crowds at the movie theater ain't my thing anymore.

Also, as others have noted, GotG was the best fun time I've had at the movies in a long time.
 
2014-08-24 12:15:41 PM
It's easy to hate on Star Wars and its fans. So go ahead and build yourselves up, feel great that your opinion is so frickin important and pure or whatever self indulgent reason people use to degrade something else. I got news for ya suckwads: there is gonna be a Star Wars movie every year for the rest of your life and beyond. You're gonna be living in over-inflated disney-fied Star Wars add blitz soon that is gonna last FOREVER. You think the last 3 decades were bad? Well you haven't seen squat. Its a small world is soon gonna be a huge universe. Your only escape from the constant, thrumming bass of John Williams music will be to live in a cave or put a bullet through yer skull. So hate all you want, the world is about to get really sick for you haters.
 
2014-08-24 12:15:47 PM

Mugato: Doc Batarang: The updated Empire was quite good. Most of it was cosmetic and adding bigger spaceships.

The only thing that I didn't like about the changes in Empire (I'm sitting at a car dealership so I might as well get roped into this) was in the original, after Luke commits suicide by falling to his death on Bespin, the shot with a seething Vader and his scared shiatless minions behind him simply says "Bring my shuttle". In the SE he has some fruity line that doesn't even sound like JEJ and there's a detailed travelog of his journey to his Star Destroyer. That killed the scene.

/thought putting Hayden as Anakin's Force ghost only made sense


I kind of liked the addition of Hayden as a force ghost.. but it lacks a setup. Did Luke ever know that's what his father looked like? At the end is he like "Hey, Obi-Wan! Hey, Yoda! Hey- uh... guy?"
 
2014-08-24 12:26:37 PM

NeoCortex42: Same here.  I get annoyed when people defend Lucas by saying "The original version are out on DVD!" referring to that release.  I'm not sure how much of the quality is Lucas completely not given a shiat, or if it was some scheme to make his current versions look that much better by comparison.


I believe that was the point he was trying to make. "Do you see how much better my digitally remastered, high-definition transfer looks over a Laserdisc standard-definition transfer that was probably done by an intern with a Dazzle DVC100?"
 
2014-08-24 12:26:38 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: I kind of liked the addition of Hayden as a force ghost.. but it lacks a setup. Did Luke ever know that's what his father looked like? At the end is he like "Hey, Obi-Wan! Hey, Yoda! Hey- uh... guy?"


Right but Anakin never looked like the original ghost in Jedi. So the choices were Hayden or a farked up head and torso. People get really pissed about that but it's just logical after what we've seen in the Prequels.
 
2014-08-24 12:28:41 PM

NeoCortex42: Sgt Otter: I have the "Limited Edition" Star Wars DVDs with the original versions, and the originals look like utter shiat.  Even on my 50", it's a tiny box with black bars on all four sides.

Same here.  I get annoyed when people defend Lucas by saying "The original version are out on DVD!" referring to that release.  I'm not sure how much of the quality is Lucas completely not given a shiat, or if it was some scheme to make his current versions look that much better by comparison.


I did the math once, and accounting for the letterboxing, the actual video resolution of those non-anamorphic DVDs is around 240p, basically what YouTube used when they first started out. Not exactly an acceptable resolution when blown up to HDTV size.
 
2014-08-24 12:30:04 PM
I'm a bit peeved that my favourite sound effect, the diesel engine startup of the Jawa sand crawler, seems to have disappeared from the updated SW that I last saw.

(Other favourite sound effects - At-At footsteps = sheet-metal shear; lasers = high tension guy-wire. Ben Burtt = brilliant)
 
2014-08-24 12:37:54 PM

Bith Set Me Up: I actually liked many updates, like for the Battle of Yavin in ANH, the expanded Cloud City in ESB, and the new celebration song in ROTJ. The only alterations that actually annoy me are Hayden Christiansen and Darth Vader's new "NO!" in ROTJ, because both were entirely unneccessary.


I felt the "No" actually hurt the scene considerably to the silent stare and your own imagination of the angish Darth Vader went through seeing his son being executed by the Emperor that spurns him to action. It one of those things were a picture is really worth a thousand words. Then George Lucas buggered it up to try and create another tie in with one of the prequels.
 
2014-08-24 12:41:33 PM
I went to see the special editions in 1997. I barely noticed Greedo shooting first because the shot was over in half a second. I could tolerate CGI Jabba. I actually kind of liked the changes made to Cloud City, because it made the set look like there was an actual city in the clouds. The entire "Jedi Rocks" scene and the tentacled Sarlaac pit were unnecessary and distracted from the scene, but I tolerated them.

But then that George Lucas clown removed "Yub Nub," and I knew a line had to be drawn in the sand. "No, Lucas," I said. "You put that right back in this instant."

So for old time's sake, let's all sing along.
 
2014-08-24 12:43:14 PM

Mugato: ThatBillmanGuy: I kind of liked the addition of Hayden as a force ghost.. but it lacks a setup. Did Luke ever know that's what his father looked like? At the end is he like "Hey, Obi-Wan! Hey, Yoda! Hey- uh... guy?"

Right but Anakin never looked like the original ghost in Jedi. So the choices were Hayden or a farked up head and torso. People get really pissed about that but it's just logical after what we've seen in the Prequels.


It wasn't a physical body that was resurrected.  It was his spirit.  It was the older man who made the choice to return to the light side and redeem himself in the end.  The young Anakin shown there is the one that went dark and slaughtered a bunch of younglings.

Skink Wrangler: I'm a bit peeved that my favourite sound effect, the diesel engine startup of the Jawa sand crawler, seems to have disappeared from the updated SW that I last saw.

(Other favourite sound effects - At-At footsteps = sheet-metal shear; lasers = high tension guy-wire. Ben Burtt = brilliant)


The Blu-Ray release version of the sound Obi-Wan does to scare away the sand people in A New Hope is hilarious.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw
 
2014-08-24 12:43:16 PM

Mugato: ThatBillmanGuy: I kind of liked the addition of Hayden as a force ghost.. but it lacks a setup. Did Luke ever know that's what his father looked like? At the end is he like "Hey, Obi-Wan! Hey, Yoda! Hey- uh... guy?"

Right but Anakin never looked like the original ghost in Jedi. So the choices were Hayden or a farked up head and torso. People get really pissed about that but it's just logical after what we've seen in the Prequels.


But why does a Force Ghost have to physically resemble the person? They've never explicitly stated that as a rule onscreen.

Why can't it look like the mental projection of how the person sees themselves? Yoda and Obi Wan remain old because they have grown comfortable with that version of themselves. Original Anakin, on the other hand, sees himself as being an older father figure, but rather than being scarred and hurt, his Force ghost is a more ideal version, his mental picture of who he would be had he never fallen to the Dark Side.

By changing him to look like Hayden, Anakin now just seems like he never matured in his heart of hearts, seems like he is stuck in a really nasty midlife crisis.
 
2014-08-24 12:44:04 PM

limeyfellow: I felt the "No" actually hurt the scene considerably to the silent stare and your own imagination of the angish Darth Vader went through seeing his son being executed by the Emperor that spurns him to action. It one of those things were a picture is really worth a thousand words. Then George Lucas buggered it up to try and create another tie in with one of the prequels.


Actually I think Darth Vader yelling "No" in the updated ROTJ was sort of a big middle finger to his disgruntled fans.
 
2014-08-24 12:45:43 PM

NeoCortex42: The Blu-Ray release version of the sound Obi-Wan does to scare away the sand people in A New Hope is hilarious.


It sounds like he makes a high-pitched scream, and then makes the  exact same scream, only this time it's played backwards and slower.
 
2014-08-24 12:46:24 PM

GreenAdder: I went to see the special editions in 1997. I barely noticed Greedo shooting first because the shot was over in half a second. I could tolerate CGI Jabba. I actually kind of liked the changes made to Cloud City, because it made the set look like there was an actual city in the clouds. The entire "Jedi Rocks" scene and the tentacled Sarlaac pit were unnecessary and distracted from the scene, but I tolerated them.


As far as Han shooting first/second, there are two things that bothered me with it.  First, there's the change in character it implies that everybody usually mentions.  Fine, whatever.  Not a huge deal.  The thing that really bugged me though was that the effect of Han dodging Greedo's shot was incredibly bad in the original Special Edition.  It was a really unnatural head movement that was a bit jarring.
 
2014-08-24 12:47:48 PM
They missed one: Star Wars was originally to be titled "The Adventures of Luke Starkiller".
 
2014-08-24 12:48:15 PM

NeoCortex42: t wasn't a physical body that was resurrected.  It was his spirit.  It was the older man who made the choice to return to the light side and redeem himself in the end.  The young Anakin shown there is the one that went dark and slaughtered a bunch of younglings.


So what, he had a police sketch artist draw up what he would look like older? The young Anakin shown there was in Obi Wan's own words, "killed" by Vader. He was still a good guy for a while when he was Hayden.
 
2014-08-24 12:49:49 PM

GreenAdder: limeyfellow: I felt the "No" actually hurt the scene considerably to the silent stare and your own imagination of the angish Darth Vader went through seeing his son being executed by the Emperor that spurns him to action. It one of those things were a picture is really worth a thousand words. Then George Lucas buggered it up to try and create another tie in with one of the prequels.

Actually I think Darth Vader yelling "No" in the updated ROTJ was sort of a big middle finger to his disgruntled fans.


This. I think the more asinine alterations were Lucas passive-agressively telling the ultra-butthurt fans "You want something to cry about? I'll give you something to cry about!"
 
2014-08-24 12:52:05 PM

Fano: I felt like King Haggard seeing a unicorn


Nice.
 
2014-08-24 12:52:50 PM

Aar1012: For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.


This. It's ridiculous the stupid crap nerds get all bent out of shape about.
 
2014-08-24 12:57:05 PM

ReapTheChaos: Aar1012: For God's Sake...it's just a damned movie. Star Wars Nerds are the biggest whiners out there.

This. It's ridiculous the stupid crap nerds get all bent out of shape about.


You could just ignore them.
 
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