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(Business Insider)   How long before a million people are implanted with RFID chips? It's much sooner than you think   (businessinsider.com ) divider line 68
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2014-08-23 11:15:55 AM  
Not in this lifetime.
 
2014-08-23 11:28:01 AM  
The story was from Aug 8th so it must have happened already.

/hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.
 
2014-08-23 11:32:01 AM  
Just say n o
 
2014-08-23 11:37:45 AM  
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-08-23 12:10:09 PM  

Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.


Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
 
2014-08-23 12:28:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Just say n o


Oh, FFS

/binary gets filtered?
//really?
 
2014-08-23 01:03:22 PM  

Spare Me: Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.

Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.


That is one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever. And that's coming from a guy who has watched approximately 20 episodes of The Simpsons in the past two and a half days.
 
2014-08-23 01:19:41 PM  
I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.
 
2014-08-23 01:20:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.

Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

That is one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever. And that's coming from a guy who has watched approximately 20 episodes of The Simpsons in the past two and a half days.


Actually, it's a movie quote. Your radars need adjusting.
 
2014-08-23 01:21:58 PM  

Spare Me: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.

Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

That is one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever. And that's coming from a guy who has watched approximately 20 episodes of The Simpsons in the past two and a half days.

Actually, it's a movie quote. Your radars need adjusting.


It's still one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever.
 
2014-08-23 01:22:15 PM  

moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.


How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?
 
2014-08-23 01:32:37 PM  

Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?


How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?
 
2014-08-23 01:34:36 PM  
You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.
 
2014-08-23 01:38:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?


No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.
 
2014-08-23 01:39:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.


Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.
 
2014-08-23 01:43:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's still one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever.


Why do you think it is dumb?

Honestly curious.
 
2014-08-23 01:54:15 PM  

Elegy: cameroncrazy1984: It's still one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever.

Why do you think it is dumb?

Honestly curious.


Because it is nonsensical. It refers to a fictional entity convincing the world that doesn't exist. It's annoying in its attempt at a "gotcha"
 
2014-08-23 01:55:59 PM  

Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.


According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.
 
2014-08-23 01:58:45 PM  
Is there something wrong with carrying a wallet and a set of car keys?
 
2014-08-23 02:00:37 PM  

Mugato: Is there something wrong with carrying a wallet and a set of car keys?


Some of us get locked out of the house on occasion.
 
2014-08-23 02:06:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.


Shoplifters certainly will.
 
2014-08-23 02:07:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mugato: Is there something wrong with carrying a wallet and a set of car keys?

Some of us get locked out of the house on occasion.


Some of us have a key hidden somewhere.

I'm not some "Mark of the Beast" nutjob, I just don't see how this is necessary. Historically, people have found ways around alarm systems, car alarms, credit card security. This seems like the workaround could be potentially more gruesome.
 
2014-08-23 02:09:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.

According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.


You mean like a subway car during rush hour?
 
2014-08-23 02:11:49 PM  

Mugato: The story was from Aug 8th so it must have happened already.

/hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.


You beat me to it. Most of the dumb Christians I know believe it's supposed to be a UPS code tattooed on your hand and forehead.
 
2014-08-23 02:11:55 PM  
The potential for abuse with these things is tremendous.
 
2014-08-23 02:12:32 PM  
Ugh proofreading. UPC code.
 
2014-08-23 02:17:04 PM  
This is all I want from RFID tags. I go to the supermarket, everything I buy has a RFID tag, I put the groceries into my bags in the cart, when I'm done I park the cart next to a machine, then in just one second a machine reads the price of each product off the RFID tags and tallies up the total cost, then I pay and leave. Once we have this technology in supermarkets I'll know we're officially in the future.
 
2014-08-23 02:24:07 PM  

Spare Me: Actually, it's a movie quote. Your radars need adjusting.


upload.wikimedia.org

Scowls at your derivative attributions
 
2014-08-23 02:34:25 PM  

Tobin_Lam: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.

According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.

You mean like a subway car during rush hour?


You don't think it would be a little suspicious if someone had a camera in their hand pointed at yours a few centimeters away?
 
2014-08-23 02:38:16 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?

No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.


Difficulty: Knowing where random person lives. Unless you spend a lot of time tailing a specific person, digital pickpocketing doesn't gain you much.
 
2014-08-23 02:41:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tobin_Lam: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.

According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.

You mean like a subway car during rush hour?

You don't think it would be a little suspicious if someone had a camera in their hand pointed at yours a few centimeters away?


It would work inside a pocket.
 
2014-08-23 02:44:03 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: cameroncrazy1984: Tobin_Lam: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.

According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.

You mean like a subway car during rush hour?

You don't think it would be a little suspicious if someone had a camera in their hand pointed at yours a few centimeters away?

It would work inside a pocket.


That, and that assumes the technology stays at "it has to be very close". Some modern readers are made to operate at several meters, although these are probably larger devices. Still, miniaturization isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
2014-08-23 02:46:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tobin_Lam: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Marcus Aurelius: You could also have endless fun with one of these babies.

Holy smack. You could walk around a department store with that badboy and wreak all kinds of havoc in a matter of minutes.

According to the article it has to be "very close" to the RFID tag. So, good luck getting someone to let you press a camera on their hand for no apparent reason.

You mean like a subway car during rush hour?

You don't think it would be a little suspicious if someone had a camera in their hand pointed at yours a few centimeters away?


I might be suspicious of a camera but all they really need is some way to trigger the capacitor. The camera just provides the parts easily and they don't have to actually be in the camera.
 
2014-08-23 02:47:29 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Tobin_Lam: Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?

No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.

Difficulty: Knowing where random person lives. Unless you spend a lot of time tailing a specific person, digital pickpocketing doesn't gain you much.


You're probably right as long as your ID doesn't have an RFID chip.
 
2014-08-23 02:48:43 PM  

Foxxinnia: This is all I want from RFID tags. I go to the supermarket, everything I buy has a RFID tag, I put the groceries into my bags in the cart, when I'm done I park the cart next to a machine, then in just one second a machine reads the price of each product off the RFID tags and tallies up the total cost, then I pay and leave. Once we have this technology in supermarkets I'll know we're officially in the future.


Sadly, it just doesn't work that well. Every Thursday at my old store I used to go and scan the shoe department with an RFID scanner. I would scan the stockroom and then I would scan the floor. This was to generate a report that would tell us which merchandise was not out on the floor. Then using the report the shoe associates would then out out the missing merchandise. Then I would rescan everything and generate a new report that SHOULD read "zero." But try as I might, it never worked like that. There would be lists of shoes that were out, but for whatever reason didn't scan so were on the report. Even if I replaced the RFID tags there were always issues. It really is so bad that now at my current store, they do it out of habit and don't really expect to change anything.
 
2014-08-23 02:54:40 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Because it is nonsensical. It refers to a fictional entity convincing the world that doesn't exist. It's annoying in its attempt at a "gotcha"


Ah. You're one of the type that is unreasonably irritable any time religion is referenced without scorn.

Got it. You know, it is entirely possible to read fictional quote and take it within the context of the fictional universe it was constructed within. To treat it as a pity aphorism that is apropos in certain situations, without getting all huffy about religion in the process.

Do you all get all pissy and yell at movies, too? "'Use the force, Luke?' The force isn't even real! It's stupid! FARK YOU GEORGE LUCAS!"

The first time I heard this quote in the wild was in graduate school, in a lecture to doctoral students. The professor - an atheist and a Marxist - used it in relation to race and class in America. Namely, that 'the American dream' is predicated on the idea that we can all be rich people if we just work hard enough, and that rich people are just normal people like you and I, just normal folks living their lives, and that American society is a classless society.

'Remember,' he said, 'the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world that he doesn't exist."

Then we got to watch Jamie Johnson's Born Rich.
 
2014-08-23 03:18:56 PM  

Richard_The_Clown: Foxxinnia: This is all I want from RFID tags. I go to the supermarket, everything I buy has a RFID tag, I put the groceries into my bags in the cart, when I'm done I park the cart next to a machine, then in just one second a machine reads the price of each product off the RFID tags and tallies up the total cost, then I pay and leave. Once we have this technology in supermarkets I'll know we're officially in the future.

Sadly, it just doesn't work that well. Every Thursday at my old store I used to go and scan the shoe department with an RFID scanner. I would scan the stockroom and then I would scan the floor. This was to generate a report that would tell us which merchandise was not out on the floor. Then using the report the shoe associates would then out out the missing merchandise. Then I would rescan everything and generate a new report that SHOULD read "zero." But try as I might, it never worked like that. There would be lists of shoes that were out, but for whatever reason didn't scan so were on the report. Even if I replaced the RFID tags there were always issues. It really is so bad that now at my current store, they do it out of habit and don't really expect to change anything.


Your story feels like an allegory for everything that is going wrong in society right now.
 
2014-08-23 03:25:00 PM  
So instead of someone taking my wallet they'll cut off my hand. Awesome!
 
2014-08-23 03:48:32 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?

No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.


I just did a price comparison between an RFID reader/burner, and a meat cleaver.  And I have bad news, I'm afraid.
 
2014-08-23 03:49:50 PM  
Not worth it to enable javascript to RTFA.  But I sure hope they are not talking about a dumb RFID that just dumped a simple code you could copy surreptitiously, as opposed to a challenge/response based on a shared secret (and hopefully one an replay exploit would not work on)
 
2014-08-23 03:52:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.

Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

That is one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever. And that's coming from a guy who has watched approximately 20 episodes of The Simpsons in the past two and a half days.

Actually, it's a movie quote. Your radars need adjusting.

It's still one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever.


"Love is never having to say you're sorry" would like a word with you....
 
2014-08-23 03:54:40 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: cameroncrazy1984: Spare Me: Mugato: /hope is happens just to freak out the Mark of the Beast dipshiats.

Meh. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

That is one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever. And that's coming from a guy who has watched approximately 20 episodes of The Simpsons in the past two and a half days.

Actually, it's a movie quote. Your radars need adjusting.

It's still one of the dumbest, dumbest sayings ever.

"Love is never having to say you're sorry" would like a word with you....


I read that as "love is never having to say 'I'd like a word with you,'" which also kind of makes sense.
 
2014-08-23 03:56:31 PM  

ReverendJynxed: So instead of someone taking my wallet they'll cut off my hand. Awesome!


I had not thought of that.

Yikes!

Otherwise an RFID implant would be cool.  You never need ID, your credit cards or money ever again.  It could work with the locks on your house, to use your car.

Every time you have to pay for something, you just say "talk to the hand".
 
2014-08-23 04:04:56 PM  

ghare: Elegy: derp SOPHISTRY derp


Look everyone. Someone doesn't know what sophistry means and is trying to make themselves look intelligent.
 
2014-08-23 04:07:27 PM  

studebaker hoch: ReverendJynxed: So instead of someone taking my wallet they'll cut off my hand. Awesome!

I had not thought of that.

Yikes!

Otherwise an RFID implant would be cool.  You never need ID, your credit cards or money ever again.  It could work with the locks on your house, to use your car.

Every time you have to pay for something, you just say "talk to the hand".


Do we really need to be that convenient? And what happens if it's damaged or malfunctions?
 
2014-08-23 04:13:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Tobin_Lam: Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?

No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.

I just did a price comparison between an RFID reader/burner, and a meat cleaver.  And I have bad news, I'm afraid.


A meat cleaver is a bit cheaper but someone's going to be mighty suspicious if their hand with the RFID chips has suddenly gone missing.
 
2014-08-23 04:37:26 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Marcus Aurelius: Spare Me: moothemagiccow: I find it pretty ridiculous that putting your office id badge under your skin is the start of some kind of computer apocalypse.

How about your banking information? Medical records? GPS? Barcode?

How about a thief chopping your hand off in order to steal all your stuff?

No need to go that far. Get the appropriate reader, bump into someone "accidentally" on a crowded train, and you are now that person as far as their electronics are concerned. Go to their house and play back the RFID chip to the lock and it opens for you, no forced entry required. Play back the alarm's RFID code to disarm it, and you are now free to move about the house.


It's surprisingly easy to stead the RFID info.  I need to swipe my badge within a few inches of the scanner to get in.  However, the gadget necessary to read RFID from a greater distance is easy and cheap to build.  Now you just need to stand near the door fiddling with your cell phone while a few people go through, gulping down their codes as they they pass by.  Using RFID for security is placing your trust in an illusion.
 
2014-08-23 04:41:01 PM  

studebaker hoch: ReverendJynxed: So instead of someone taking my wallet they'll cut off my hand. Awesome!

I had not thought of that.

Yikes!

Otherwise an RFID implant would be cool.  You never need ID, your credit cards or money ever again.  It could work with the locks on your house, to use your car.

Every time you have to pay for something, you just say "talk to the hand".


And that's how they'll sell it to the people.  The government won't need to mandate everyone has to be chipped.  People will line up to do it voluntarily.  Then everyone's movement will be easy to track.  Hell, they can already do that with cell phones, but cell phones can be left behind or given to someone.  And for anyone who is going to say I am being paranoid about the government's desire to track us, I refer you to the actions of the NSA.
 
2014-08-23 05:13:16 PM  
OgreMagi:

And that's how they'll sell it to the people.  The government won't need to mandate everyone has to be chipped.  People will line up to do it voluntarily.  Then everyone's movement will be easy to track.  Hell, they can already do that with cell phones, but cell phones can be left behind or given to someone.  And for anyone who is going to say I am being paranoid about the government's desire to track us, I refer you to the actions of the NSA.

I'm white.
 
2014-08-23 05:18:14 PM  

studebaker hoch: OgreMagi:

And that's how they'll sell it to the people.  The government won't need to mandate everyone has to be chipped.  People will line up to do it voluntarily.  Then everyone's movement will be easy to track.  Hell, they can already do that with cell phones, but cell phones can be left behind or given to someone.  And for anyone who is going to say I am being paranoid about the government's desire to track us, I refer you to the actions of the NSA.

I'm white.


That only protects you from local cop abuse.  The NSA sees everyone as "the enemy".  At best you are an "unindicted suspect".  Unless you are the CEO of a major corporation.  Then you are "the boss".
 
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