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(Philly.com)   We can all breathe easier now that undercover Pennsylvania cops have busted up the seedy world of illegal fine wine trading   (philly.com) divider line 64
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2014-08-23 04:30:24 PM  
Maybe they could crush the bottles up, melt them down, and fill one of the innumerable potholes that litter that third world ox path they call the PA turnpike. Or just feed the broken glass to the loudest mummer.
 
2014-08-23 05:09:57 PM  
Doesn't sound kosher to me.
 
2014-08-23 05:14:11 PM  
As a PA resident, I NEVER go to Delaware for wine.  Especially since in Delaware you actually get a real selection of real wines, as opposed to dreck labeled for PA's stores.  They'll put a big sign on a floor display and tell you it's 50% less than anywhere else.  Trick is, it ISN'T anywhere else.  And if it's any good, they'll run out and never stock it again.

So you can see why I never go out of state for my wine.  I'm so happy with PA's "liquor control" system that I could just shiat myself.
 
2014-08-23 05:15:58 PM  
Just let it decanter.
 
2014-08-23 05:22:56 PM  

"...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."


Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.

 
2014-08-23 05:23:27 PM  
Meh. Cry more, wine drinkers. It sucks in PA, but most states are easier to ship wine to than craft beer because reasons and such. Wine is somehow considered different.
 
2014-08-23 05:23:53 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: Doesn't sound kosher to me.



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2014-08-23 05:28:20 PM  

skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.


I think that's an old law.  I've seen it as well, but I've lived in PA for 5 years (Philly and Pittsburgh) and can most definitely buy 6-packs.  Can't buy them other than a place that is legally designated to sell beer, so no beer at, gas stations, etc.  I can buy beer at one local grocery store, but they have an area cordoned off from the main store, and a separate register.

Don't get me started on the State run liquor stores.
 
2014-08-23 05:30:39 PM  

phalaeo: skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.

I think that's an old law.  I've seen it as well, but I've lived in PA for 5 years (Philly and Pittsburgh) and can most definitely buy 6-packs.  Can't buy them other than a place that is legally designated to sell beer, so no beer at, gas stations, etc.  I can buy beer at one local grocery store, but they have an area cordoned off from the main store, and a separate register.

Don't get me started on the State run liquor stores.


That why I run an illegal wine trading scheme...


/shhhh
 
2014-08-23 05:43:47 PM  

skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.


A beer distributor can't sell less than a case.  You need to go to a bar to buy a six pack.   Although some of the grocery stores now carry a decent beer selection at inflated prices.  And at least PA doesn't cap beer's alcohol percentage like Utah does.
 
2014-08-23 05:53:06 PM  

phalaeo: skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.

I think that's an old law.  I've seen it as well, but I've lived in PA for 5 years (Philly and Pittsburgh) and can most definitely buy 6-packs.  Can't buy them other than a place that is legally designated to sell beer, so no beer at, gas stations, etc.  I can buy beer at one local grocery store, but they have an area cordoned off from the main store, and a separate register.

Don't get me started on the State run liquor stores.


What happened is that Wegmans started opening stores in Pennsylvania, wanted to sell beer, and found a loophole in the law - designate part of the store as a restaurant, get a license, and you can sell beer there - but only at the registers in the "restaurant" part of the store.  Then every other grocery store in the state smacked themselves in the forehead and realized that they should have been doing that for years, so now most larger locations do this now.
 
2014-08-23 05:55:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.

A beer distributor can't sell less than a case.  You need to go to a bar to buy a six pack.   Although some of the grocery stores now carry a decent beer selection at inflated prices.  And at least PA doesn't cap beer's alcohol percentage like Utah does.


Or you go to a "restaurant" that has 3 walls of coolers full of beer, 2 McDonald's style tables, and a menu of about 3 items.  When I went to college up there, we had a "Chinese" place that had a blond guy working behind the register.  The kitchen area was smaller than your average port-a-john.  I'm pretty sure that if you actually asked for food, they would have been stunned.  Then thrown some frozen stuff into the microwave.  The law is just stupid.
 
2014-08-23 06:01:30 PM  
Blast those Quakers!

Wine is fine!
 
2014-08-23 06:01:44 PM  
Personally, I prefer fresh wines in user-friendly screw cap bottles.
 
2014-08-23 06:08:05 PM  
Undocumented wine?
 
2014-08-23 06:12:17 PM  
Disappointed.  Thought it said illegal wife trading
 
2014-08-23 06:18:23 PM  
Fine wine trading is illegal? Better shut down the politics tab.
 
2014-08-23 06:23:43 PM  
Newsflash: Tax evasion and regulatory evasion are still crimes!
 
2014-08-23 06:32:18 PM  

uber humper: Disappointed.  Thought it said illegal wife trading


I thought it said Pennsylvania underwear cops.
 
2014-08-23 06:34:15 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: uber humper: Disappointed.  Thought it said illegal wife trading

I thought it said Pennsylvania underwear cops.


Maybe it was the underwear cops who discovered the wife trading. They'd know.
 
2014-08-23 06:37:36 PM  

obamadidcoke: Well at least the police didn't shoot anybody.


Good point, Bender.
 
2014-08-23 06:47:32 PM  

nickdaisy: Maybe they could crush the bottles up, melt them down, and fill one of the innumerable potholes that litter that third world ox path they call the PA turnpike. Or just feed the broken glass to the loudest mummer.


Where did the bad northeast state touch you?
 
2014-08-23 06:49:06 PM  

nickdaisy: Maybe they could crush the bottles up, melt them down, and fill one of the innumerable potholes that litter that third world ox path they call the PA turnpike. Or just feed the broken glass to the loudest mummer.


I dont understand this. The PA turnpike is almost 4 times the rate of the Ohio Turnpike, and yet its in far worse condition. Guess more palms need greased in PA than in Ohio.
 
2014-08-23 07:00:48 PM  

macross87: Just let it decanter.


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2014-08-23 07:08:43 PM  
Didn't this used to be called "commerce"?
 
2014-08-23 07:09:17 PM  
Ah Pennsylvania, the most backwards liquor laws in the country besides Utah and they don't even have the excuse of religious extremism
 
2014-08-23 07:34:55 PM  
I learned about low-point beer last year in Colorado.  Yes, a state that legalized weed.  I was watching football and well into my 5th beer and didn't feel a thing.  I read the label and cursed the thrice-damned fundies and their stupid blue laws.
 
2014-08-23 07:40:15 PM  

Intelligent_Donkey: Ah Pennsylvania, the most backwards liquor laws in the country besides Utah and they don't even have the excuse of religious extremism


We were founded by Quakers and still have not gotten past the experience

You can buy 6 packs in certain stores like pizza shops, some bars, and grocery stores (i.e. Wegmans). You can also mix and match from a selection in a cooler area in some locations for a premium price. Thing is you can only buy the equivalent of two 6-packs of 12 oz bottles at a time. You then must leave the premises through a door, step onto the sidewalk, then can return inside the place to buy another two 6-pack quantity. Every establishment has to have a "special permit" above and beyond their regular alcohol permit to do this

Wine and hard liquor is another story entirely. What a jumblefark that is. There is also a little known rule for growler fills that, technically, a place can only fill a growler that has their own label. I found this out while trying to fill a couple of growlers at Bethlehem Brew Works. Thing is, that is the only place that I have been to that follows that rule. But they said they would be happy to sell me two of their crappy screw top growlers and my porcelain flip top ones could take a hike. And for complete transparency one was a Victory and the other a custom unmarked one from Hanover glass company. I never returned to that hole
 
2014-08-23 07:48:59 PM  
Does the Kennedy family still receive a stipend for every bottle of scotch imported into the USA?
 
2014-08-23 07:53:05 PM  

Intelligent_Donkey: Ah Pennsylvania, the most backwards liquor laws in the country besides Utah and they don't even have the excuse of religious extremism


We still have dry counties here in Arkansas.
But lots of "private clubs"
/blue laws
 
2014-08-23 08:05:20 PM  

wildlifer: Intelligent_Donkey: Ah Pennsylvania, the most backwards liquor laws in the country besides Utah and they don't even have the excuse of religious extremism

We still have dry counties here in Arkansas.
But lots of "private clubs"



indeed we do, I live in one of those "dry" counties lol bootleggers everywhere and a liquor store at EVERY county line lol  Surrounded by clark, garland, and dallas counties. Grant next door is dry though, usually just buy my booze in hot springs :D
 
2014-08-23 08:07:44 PM  

deadsanta: Newsflash: Tax evasion and regulatory evasion are still crimes!


newsflash! they'd most likely be happy to pay the taxes, if there were the option to get the coveted wines via the legal market. bur no, because jebus.
 
2014-08-23 08:25:48 PM  

farkin_Gary: Does the Kennedy family still receive a stipend for every bottle of scotch imported into the USA?


The bottom dropped out of that market when Ted died.
 
2014-08-23 08:35:15 PM  

jayphat: nickdaisy: Maybe they could crush the bottles up, melt them down, and fill one of the innumerable potholes that litter that third world ox path they call the PA turnpike. Or just feed the broken glass to the loudest mummer.

I dont understand this. The PA turnpike is almost 4 times the rate of the Ohio Turnpike, and yet its in far worse condition. Guess more palms need greased in PA than in Ohio.


You have no idea. The PA Turnpike Commission CEO was brought up on corruption charges and PennDOT is being investigated for - unrelated - corruption.
 
2014-08-23 08:35:37 PM  

farkin_Gary: Does the Kennedy family still receive a stipend for every bottle of scotch imported into the USA?


No.    But on an unrelated note....

In Pennsylvania, every time we buy alcohol,  we have to pay a 18% Johnstown Flood tax.     It helps pay the damage from that flood.


...the flood was in 1936
 
2014-08-23 08:51:13 PM  

Bslim: Personally, I prefer fresh wines in user-friendly screw cap bottles.


No more of this old stuff, bring out the freshest wine you have!
 
2014-08-23 09:11:05 PM  
At least Texas has the sense to ban the sale of Teslas by anyone, not even by the 12-pack. Not that the Texas car dealer association banded together to convince Rico Perry that it was in everyone's best interest.

Of course the beer distributors in PA have convinced their governor that ISIS will march out of the sea and across the border if beer is available anywhere but at take out pizza joints. It's easier to buy a gun in PA (illegally) than it is to buy three bottles of beer (and low end beer at that) so I've been told.
 
2014-08-23 09:15:48 PM  

skinink: "...and one of two, Utah being the other, where the government has complete control over the sale of liquor and wine."
Dafuq? Mormon Country I know about but I'm surprised about Pennsylvania. Hell, I just read that in Penn you can't even buy a six pack of beer, only cases.


Not exactly. 6 packs and 12 packs you have to buy at bars, cases and kegs at the beer distributor and wine and liquor at the state stores. BUT now you can get 6 packs and 12 packs at the local wegmans
 
2014-08-23 09:56:38 PM  
I wasn't even aware until recently that it can't send booze through ups or usps. I wanted to send my bro in law in OR a bottle of Jameson's Black for taking be drift boat fishing.

No can do.


Freedom my arse.
 
2014-08-23 10:04:27 PM  
upon closer examination my bottle says Pert wine.
 
2014-08-23 10:11:00 PM  

farkin_Gary: Does the Kennedy family still receive a stipend for every bottle of scotch imported into the USA?


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2014-08-23 10:13:14 PM  
We used to go camping at Allegheny State park every year and Pennsylvania always seemed like a step back in time.

Bradford PA. 100 miles or so from the border. Nobody knows what Canadian cash is, the banks and liquor stores don't accept Canadian passports as ID and everyone looks like Ma and Pa Kettle. I remember a 12-year-old in a store telling the cashier he'd given up chewing tobacco because "his nymph glands swole right up"
 
2014-08-23 10:22:40 PM  

whatshisname: Bradford PA. 100 miles or so from the border. Nobody knows what Canadian cash is


In all fairness the only place I've seen in the states that accepts Canadian currency is the tollbooths on I-90 in NY. Accepting US currency in Canada is far more common. What reason do you even have for being in Bradford?
 
2014-08-23 10:28:17 PM  

astouffer: What reason do you even have for being in Bradford?


It's the closest town to Allegheny State Park so we'd get supplies there.
 
2014-08-23 10:41:13 PM  

whatshisname: We used to go camping at Allegheny State park every year and Pennsylvania always seemed like a step back in time.



I went camping in the general area last year (about 30 miles or so South). I wouldn't expect any place in PA to accept Canadian money. Parts of NY, yes, but PA is pretty far already.
/Camping was great
/Didn't really interact with locals too much besides a quick stop in a beer store/Dollar General..obviously not the most well-off area, but friendly people.
 
2014-08-23 10:41:24 PM  

whatshisname: We used to go camping at Allegheny State park every year and Pennsylvania always seemed like a step back in time.

Bradford PA. 100 miles or so from the border. Nobody knows what Canadian cash is, the banks and liquor stores don't accept Canadian passports as ID and everyone looks like Ma and Pa Kettle. I remember a 12-year-old in a store telling the cashier he'd given up chewing tobacco because "his nymph glands swole right up"


As a person who grew up in McKean County, Pennsylvania, I....

well, carry on then.
 
2014-08-23 10:48:01 PM  
I was working in Missouri in a dry county I lived on the road on the county line.  Line, lined with liquor stores, it was a strange hobby to watch the people running across the street day and night to get booze and haul it back.  the dry side was lined with apartment buildings.

Washington State used to have laws not quite so strict as Pennsylvania, but included a buy local provision so that about a third of the beer and wine had to be local, and all the hard alcohol bought through state run stores.  An initiative got rid of that system, now booze costs about 50% more but the selection is epic.

I don't care much, don't drink.
 
2014-08-23 10:51:09 PM  

MBZ321: I wouldn't expect any place in PA to accept Canadian money. Parts of NY, yes, but PA is pretty far already.


I guess not. Canadian currency isn't much use anywhere other than Canada. But it wasn't just that they didn't accept it, they weren't even aware that Canada was pretty damn close to them, all things considered. I got the feeling that most people hadn't traveled farther than the county line

I was in Cambodia last year. That place runs on US dollars. The only time you get Cambodian bills is for change.
 
2014-08-23 11:37:03 PM  

netcentric: farkin_Gary: Does the Kennedy family still receive a stipend for every bottle of scotch imported into the USA?

No.    But on an unrelated note....

In Pennsylvania, every time we buy alcohol,  we have to pay a 18% Johnstown Flood tax.     It helps pay the damage from that flood.


...the flood was in 1936


We still pay a telephone tax to pay for the 1898 Spanish American war
 
2014-08-24 12:19:23 AM  

astouffer: What reason do you even have for being in Bradford?


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