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2014-08-23 08:34:32 AM  
You see Americas health care is the best in the world.
 
2014-08-23 08:40:43 AM  
Australia might make an awesome state.
 
2014-08-23 09:15:16 AM  
We should trade for Texas so it doesn't mess up the stars
 
2014-08-23 09:37:31 AM  
This managed care program had led to a 30 per cent reduction in coronary artery hospitalisations, a 56 per cent reduction in heart attacks, a 20 per cent reduction in strokes and a 30 per cent reduction from heart disease," he said.

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/the market should not be the suppository of all healthcare
 
2014-08-23 10:22:03 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We should trade for Texas so it doesn't mess up the stars


That sounds like a pretty even trade- one group of funny talking rednecks for another, one state whose future promise lies in the hardworking Mexican immigrants flooding it for one country whose promise is the hardworking Asian immigrants flooding it.
 
2014-08-23 10:30:04 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We should trade for Texas so it doesn't mess up the stars

That sounds like a pretty even trade- one group of funny talking rednecks for another, one state whose future promise lies in the hardworking Mexican immigrants flooding it for one country whose promise is the hardworking Asian immigrants flooding it.


And kangaroos

/who doesn't like kangaroos?
//I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me
 
2014-08-23 10:30:29 AM  
No way. Then it would be easier for Australian animals to enter the US and every single creature in Australia will kill you on sight. Except maybe the koala but I don't trust them either.
 
2014-08-23 11:11:39 AM  
Welcome aboard, Fartstralia!  Your complimentary gift basket of cheeseburgers and firearms will be arriving shortly.  Question:  Have you ever considered deep frying a kangaroo?
 
2014-08-23 12:08:51 PM  
As always, what they say and promise sounds so great and makes sense so the public supports it.  Then reality will set in but it will be too late to reverse course and the general public will be farked.  When profit becomes the driving factor behind healthcare average citizens will suffer.
 
2014-08-23 12:10:17 PM  
This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

Are the Australian people as easily distracted by bullshiat as the American people?
 
2014-08-23 12:11:17 PM  

edge.alluremedia.com.auMugato: No way. Then it would be easier for Australian animals to enter the US and every single creature in Australia will kill you on sight. Except maybe the koala but I don't trust them either.


You mean dropbears? No thank you.
 
2014-08-23 12:13:18 PM  
Watch it turn into a textbook example of how it's done
 
2014-08-23 12:21:51 PM  

MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

Are the Australian people as easily distracted by bullshiat as the American people?


To my understanding, Australia actually has its own brand of American-style derp.  It just doesn't get as much press because it isn't nearly as derpy.  Fundamentalist Christianity, strangely enough, is growing there.
 
2014-08-23 12:23:39 PM  

The Name: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

Are the Australian people as easily distracted by bullshiat as the American people?

To my understanding, Australia actually has its own brand of American-style derp.  It just doesn't get as much press because it isn't nearly as derpy.  Fundamentalist Christianity, strangely enough, is growing there.


It's a response to the invasion of illegal muslims all along their northern coast.
 
2014-08-23 12:23:42 PM  
Wait, so you're telling me that profit motive might actually be a good thing?
 
2014-08-23 12:25:21 PM  

MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.


It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.
 
2014-08-23 12:25:32 PM  
  BUPA is interested in managing GP care.  Source: Supplied

No sh*t.
 
2014-08-23 12:25:49 PM  
Only once Australia mines every resource they have and destroy every natural wonder they have left in the name of jobs and elects a neo-con douche and fights immigration with internment camps for brown people and.. oh I guess they can be #51
 
2014-08-23 12:32:37 PM  

Gunther: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.


There's an awful lot of money to be made from bullshiat.
 
2014-08-23 12:42:34 PM  
Cool. That would make Outback an American restaurant.
 
2014-08-23 12:42:34 PM  

Gunther: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.


It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.


The costs are blowing out.  The decided to have a $5 charge if you go to a free doctor and that somehow is now $7 except that if you're a kid and being immunised.  There are QCs I know who said this isn't legal so I'm not sure how it can go through.   I'm not sure how many people go to the free doctors as I've never been to one.  When I see a doctor I pay something like $70 and then the government gives me back $45 or something but public hospitals are free (except for some medications and dental).  There is also private insurance and private hospitals where tend to be next to a public hospital but tend to have newer facilities.  The medicare system used to be paid for by a 1.5% income tax and that was recently increased to 2.0% but now pays for different disability support that should be better than the old system.  Drugs are cheaper on average than in the US but drugs in the US are cheaper if you pay cash and work with the pharmacist.

The current PM is would do quite well in deep (R) country except for being Catholic.  His party is called the Liberals and are turning very far right but it isn't quite as bad as some of the extreme right derp that is showing up in the USA.
 
2014-08-23 01:00:56 PM  
Australia could adopt the veterans Administration style of care. When government workers get behind schedule they just destroy your records and if there is an investigation, hard drives start crashing.
 
2014-08-23 01:04:06 PM  

Gunther: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.


Pretty much. They have the same system as the UK and Canada and regardless of the fact that he wasn't that popular to begin with, the alternative party was having tons of infighting which turned off a lot of voters and caused them to vote for the current party in charge now.

They also ran on an anti-immigrant platform as well as a platform against reforms to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
 
2014-08-23 01:26:24 PM  
The basic problem with a government controlled system (besides all of the usual government program problems) is that there is no profit motive.

Insurance companies are greedy bastards that will charge more than they spend.

So tell me fark MBA's: would you rather have a 10% markup on a small number or a big number?
 
2014-08-23 01:29:37 PM  

DON.MAC: Gunther: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.


It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.

The costs are blowing out.  The decided to have a $5 charge if you go to a free doctor and that somehow is now $7 except that if you're a kid and being immunised.  There are QCs I know who said this isn't legal so I'm not sure how it can go through.   I'm not sure how many people go to the free doctors as I've never been to one.  When I see a doctor I pay something like $70 and then the government gives me back $45 or something but public hospitals are free (except for some medications and dental).  There is also private insurance and private hospitals where tend to be next to a public hospital but tend to have newer facilities.  The medicare system used to be paid for by a 1.5% income tax and that was recently increased to 2.0% but now pays for different disability support that should be better than the old system.  Drugs are cheaper on average than in the US but drugs in the US are cheaper if you pay cash and work with the pharmacist.

The current PM is would do quite well in deep (R) country except for being Catholic.  His party is called the Liberals and are turning very far right but it isn't quite as bad as some of the extreme right derp that is showing up in the USA.


The price of drugs is set by the manufacturers here. There's no way you're getting anything cheaper, unless a generic alternative exists. The generics are often held off the market for years beyond the expiration of the original patents through pharmaceutical company manipulation of a captured regulatory process. American drug prices remain the highest in the world. The only out you have is that the companies give out large quantities of free samples to physicians, who may then dispense the samples to patients unable to afford high out-of-pocket costs.
 
2014-08-23 01:36:53 PM  
FTFA: "Doctors are concerned it could lead to the introduction of managed care, where the funds tell doctors how to treat their patients."

It seems like the good ole USofA should have some sort of "Doctor Exchange Program" with Australia. Aussie docs who are concerned about a "private company" regulating how they treat patients, could be exchanged for American docs who are concerned about "big government" regulating how they treat patients.

win-win
 
2014-08-23 01:49:57 PM  
Australian Death Panels...
 
2014-08-23 02:01:19 PM  
................and the best part is...........guess who owns all these private Insurance Companies.................Banks!!!

ain't Freedumb great!
 
2014-08-23 02:01:27 PM  
They still got their shiat together about gun control better than we have.
 
2014-08-23 02:01:57 PM  

EvilEgg: You see Americas health care is the best in the world.



it has to be.  the TV told me.
 
2014-08-23 02:04:40 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Gunther: MBA Whore: This surprises me.  I thought Australians were very happy with their government-oriented health care system.

It's very popular but (from what I understand) the current Prime Minister is a far-right lunatic with a 25% popularity rating who's trying to push through as much crap as he can before he gets kicked out at the next election.

There's an awful lot of money to be made from bullshiat.



and when you own the Bullsh*t machine: TV/Radio "news", you can't lose.
 
2014-08-23 02:06:33 PM  

SmartestGuyHear: Linux_Yes: ................and the best part is...........guess who owns all these private Insurance Companies.................Banks!!!

ain't Freedumb great!

companies providing a product or service that people want and are willing to exchange money for infuriates me too. Keep fighting the good fight, iOS



oh, look.  another numbnut who believes that multi billion dollar banks paying off his Legislators in CONgress is a good thing.  hey, your Banker buddy is looking out for YOU!

buzz off, Republican.  you're going to enjoy the Presidential Election loss in 2016, just like you did in 2008 and 2012.
 
2014-08-23 02:17:08 PM  

smitty04: Australia could adopt the veterans Administration style of care. When government workers get behind schedule they just destroy your records and if there is an investigation, hard drives start crashing.


If you didn't want VA care, you should have got a better job. But then, I guess if you don't know about VA care, your only hope for a job is one where you get shot at.
 
2014-08-23 02:20:42 PM  

cchris_39: The basic problem with a government controlled system (besides all of the usual government program problems) is that there is no profit motive.

Insurance companies are greedy bastards that will charge more than they spend.

So tell me fark MBA's: would you rather have a 10% markup on a small number or a big number?



Explain exactly how a profit motive is necessary to take care of sick people.  Because what you seem to be saying is that sick people should suffer and die unless some god-damned middleman gets paid something above the actual cost of care.

/Doctors should be paid just like teachers, so little that the only people who do it, do it for the love of it.
 
2014-08-23 02:20:46 PM  
Oh sure, it's all fun and games until our new state allows another Adolf Hitler to rise to power. . .
 
2014-08-23 02:22:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: rumpelstiltskin: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We should trade for Texas so it doesn't mess up the stars

That sounds like a pretty even trade- one group of funny talking rednecks for another, one state whose future promise lies in the hardworking Mexican immigrants flooding it for one country whose promise is the hardworking Asian immigrants flooding it.

And kangaroos

/who doesn't like kangaroos?
//I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me


You're right. Kangaroos tip the balance. The Aussies will never agree to this deal.
/Armadillos are for shiat. The only joy they provide is that sound when you run over one.
 
2014-08-23 02:28:54 PM  

ghare: If you didn't want VA care, you should have got a better job. But then, I guess if you don't know about VA care, your only hope for a job is one where you get shot at.


Granted this was years ago, but both of my drafted grandfathers, refused to go to anything but the VA despite having jobs with good health insurance (one was a police Sergent, the other a postman) because they paid for the VA with risking their lives. I can understand why vets would want that.
 
2014-08-23 02:32:50 PM  
Not hardly.

But what I think is about to happen is much of the Commonwealth forming their own Commonwealth and tossing England and the rest of the UK out on their asses.

I think Canada and Australia are beginning to realize they have more in common with Pacific nations and themselves then they do in that little kingdom which every time it needs soldiers to die for it, it's quite often Australians and Canadians that die.
 
2014-08-23 02:49:26 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: rumpelstiltskin: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We should trade for Texas so it doesn't mess up the stars

That sounds like a pretty even trade- one group of funny talking rednecks for another, one state whose future promise lies in the hardworking Mexican immigrants flooding it for one country whose promise is the hardworking Asian immigrants flooding it.

And kangaroos

/who doesn't like kangaroos?
//I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me


Randy Newman foretold all this about 40 years ago.
 
2014-08-23 02:56:35 PM  
That's fine, but all those weird, poisonous, venomous, and otherwise lethal creatures have to go someplace else.

The animals, too.
 
2014-08-23 03:13:02 PM  

ghare: /Doctors should be paid just like teachers, so little that the only people who do it, do it for the love of it.


LOl, do you know how much med school is? Malpractice insurance is even worse. And I don't see how teachers are paid all that badly, especially for what they do. And if they can become college professors with tenure they have it made.
 
2014-08-23 03:25:46 PM  

SmartestGuyHear: Gyrfalcon: That's fine, but all those weird, poisonous, venomous, and otherwise lethal creatures have to go someplace else.

The animals, too.

I see what you did there, dear.

/The Count says hi ;)


:D
 
2014-08-23 03:48:10 PM  
That's a terrible idea.
 
2014-08-23 04:16:25 PM  

EvilEgg: You see Americas health care is the most profitable in the world.


Too true.
 
2014-08-23 04:17:26 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Not hardly.

But what I think is about to happen is much of the Commonwealth forming their own Commonwealth and tossing England and the rest of the UK out on their asses.

I think Canada and Australia are beginning to realize they have more in common with Pacific nations and themselves then they do in that little kingdom which every time it needs soldiers to die for it, it's quite often Australians and Canadians that die.


I'll spell it out for you:

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
noun: loyalty
1 the quality of being loyal to someone or something.

2 a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
 
2014-08-23 04:45:11 PM  

ghare: cchris_39: The basic problem with a government controlled system (besides all of the usual government program problems) is that there is no profit motive.

Insurance companies are greedy bastards that will charge more than they spend.

So tell me fark MBA's: would you rather have a 10% markup on a small number or a big number?


Explain exactly how a profit motive is necessary to take care of sick people.  Because what you seem to be saying is that sick people should suffer and die unless some god-damned middleman gets paid something above the actual cost of care.

/Doctors should be paid just like teachers, so little that the only people who do it, do it for the love of it.


What? One of the problems with education in America is that nobody wants to come a teacher because the pay is so shiatty. If it had pay rates competitive with other Master's level degree type professions we'd have better teachers.

And we already have a hotta he of doctors here already as well. You think we should discourage more people from entering the profession?

/Just because single payer is the way to go doesn't mean we need to screw over the doctors in the process.
 
2014-08-23 06:08:04 PM  

Jormungandr: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Not hardly.

But what I think is about to happen is much of the Commonwealth forming their own Commonwealth and tossing England and the rest of the UK out on their asses.

I think Canada and Australia are beginning to realize they have more in common with Pacific nations and themselves then they do in that little kingdom which every time it needs soldiers to die for it, it's quite often Australians and Canadians that die.

I'll spell it out for you:

loy·al·ty
ˈloiəltē/
noun
noun: loyalty
1 the quality of being loyal to someone or something.

2 a strong feeling of support or allegiance.


See cannon fodder

1 soldiers regarded or treated as expendable in battle

The first English use of the term was in 1891. Hmmm. I wonder what was going on in the British Empire around that time.

Between 1815 and 1914, a period referred to as Britain's "imperial century" by some historians, around 10,000,000 square miles (26,000,000 km2) of territory and roughly 400 million people were added to the British Empire. Victory over Napoleon left Britain without any serious international rival, other than Russia in central Asia. Unchallenged at sea, Britain adopted the role of global policeman, a state of affairs later known as the Pax Britannica, and a foreign policy of "splendid isolation". Alongside the formal control it exerted over its own colonies, Britain's dominant position in world trade meant that it effectively controlled the economies of many countries, such as China, Argentina and Siam, which has been characterised by some historians as "Informal Empire".
 
2014-08-23 06:15:37 PM  

DON.MAC: The costs are blowing out. The decided to have a $5 charge if you go to a free doctor and that somehow is now $7 except that if you're a kid and being immunised. There are QCs I know who said this isn't legal so I'm not sure how it can go through. I'm not sure how many people go to the free doctors as I've never been to one. When I see a doctor I pay something like $70 and then the government gives me back $45 or something but public hospitals are free (except for some medications and dental). There is also private insurance and private hospitals where tend to be next to a public hospital but tend to have newer facilities. The medicare system used to be paid for by a 1.5% income tax and that was recently increased to 2.0% but now pays for different disability support that should be better than the old system. Drugs are cheaper on average than in the US but drugs in the US are cheaper if you pay cash and work with the pharmacist.


You left out the $100 "co-pay" charge for every visit to a specialist of any sort. Plus I'm pretty sure I recall extra "fark you" costs for getting scripts filled and any visits to pathology.

The Liberal party got into power because they got Murdoch to lie to everyone through the media and because Labor couldn't get their shiat together to save themselves (seriously, a leadership challenge just before an election? The fark were you thinking?). Not to mention the sudden massive porliferation of minor parties throwing everyone out.

/on a personal peeve: Bupa's logo shiats me
//if you're a health insurance company with a sinus rhythm as your logo, it should at least be physiologically correct.
 
2014-08-23 09:33:43 PM  
Shedim: You left out the $100 "co-pay" charge for every visit to a specialist of any sort. Plus I'm pretty sure I recall extra "fark you" costs for getting scripts filled and any visits to pathology.

The scripts thing is a result of the Wal-mart and Ikea family deciding which can own the most of Coles and Wollies.  The Waltons have been trying to get pharmacies into grocery stores for a while but so far the pharmacy guild has managed to get it blocked.

The Liberal party got into power because they got Murdoch to lie to everyone through the media and because Labor couldn't get their shiat together to save themselves (seriously, a leadership challenge just before an election? The fark were you thinking?). Not to mention the sudden massive porliferation of minor parties throwing everyone out.


I knew the guy who started the PBS (the discounted drugs program) and he was a well known and respected Liberal.  Much of the current cabinet was even at his funeral along with most of the Victorian government.  If you go read what the Liberal party web site says, it doesn't say anything about this crap that Abbott is trying to push.  Most of the Liberals I know are saying this guy has gone way too far.

It is looking like the major party choice in Australia is between one party that can't manage any large project or the budget  at all or one that can manage the budget but are control freaks.  Oddly enough, the most conservative (as in change is bad) party that is run by a billionaire.
 
2014-08-23 10:01:04 PM  

Mugato: No way. Then it would be easier for Australian animals to enter the US and every single creature in Australia will kill you on sight. Except maybe the koala but I don't trust them either.


I was told not to look the koalas in the eye last time l was there.
 
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