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(WTOP)   Maryland ban on grain alcohol is hurting violin makers. In fact, it's hurting them so bad, I can't even get a tiny violin to play for them   (wtop.com) divider line 23
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2014-08-23 10:56:01 AM  
A ban on everclear?  That's just stupid for many many reasons.
 
2014-08-23 12:12:20 PM  
Whoever banned everclear must have been drunk or worse, they injected several marijuanas
 
2014-08-23 12:17:56 PM  
Maryland is a good piss wide.  These guys can drive to Virginia, Delaware, or West Virginia in less than half an hour from almost anywhere in the state.  It isn't like being trapped in the middle of Utah or something.
 
2014-08-23 12:24:22 PM  

devildog123: Maryland is a good piss wide.  These guys can drive to Virginia, Delaware, or West Virginia in less than half an hour from almost anywhere in the state.  It isn't like being trapped in the middle of Utah or something.


Or Idaho.  The best we can get is 151 rum.  That's useless for making apple pie
 
2014-08-23 12:42:31 PM  
I live in the South so I just get moonshine when I want a drink that strong.  Luckily I don't have to pay for it because my associates party with the runners.

Ban grain alcohol?  Fine, we already make our own :p
 
2014-08-23 12:59:11 PM  
Clearly this is just common-sense alcohol regulation, right? Nobody really NEEDS high-capacity, erhm, excuse me, high alcohol content spirits.
 
2014-08-23 01:10:06 PM  
Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol? Works for regular varnish.
 
2014-08-23 01:24:25 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol?


Is there a reason you can't just be a slave? For 95% of things, your life would be the same.
 
2014-08-23 01:33:07 PM  

doglover: Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol?

Is there a reason you can't just be a slave? For 95% of things, your life would be the same.


Seriously, what's the difference between ethanol and methanol in varnish production?
 
2014-08-23 02:15:30 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: doglover: Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol?

Is there a reason you can't just be a slave? For 95% of things, your life would be the same.

Seriously, what's the difference between ethanol and methanol in varnish production?


We're not talking about varnishing a handrail here.  Part of the nature of the sound of a Stradivarius is said to be the varnish used by the maker.  So, maybe it does make a difference.  On the other hand, this is probably just MADD Disease in one of it's many manifestations.
 
2014-08-23 03:58:04 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: doglover: Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol?

Is there a reason you can't just be a slave? For 95% of things, your life would be the same.

Seriously, what's the difference between ethanol and methanol in varnish production?


a C and two H
 
2014-08-23 04:07:34 PM  
Just raid your local hospital's pathology department.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-23 06:45:22 PM  

advex101: Galius_Persnickety: doglover: Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol?

Is there a reason you can't just be a slave? For 95% of things, your life would be the same.

Seriously, what's the difference between ethanol and methanol in varnish production?

We're not talking about varnishing a handrail here.  Part of the nature of the sound of a Stradivarius is said to be the varnish used by the maker.  So, maybe it does make a difference.  On the other hand, this is probably just MADD Disease in one of it's many manifestations.


Did they use to sell Everclear in Cremora?
 
2014-08-23 07:06:12 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: devildog123: Maryland is a good piss wide.  These guys can drive to Virginia, Delaware, or West Virginia in less than half an hour from almost anywhere in the state.  It isn't like being trapped in the middle of Utah or something.

Or Idaho.  The best we can get is 151 rum.  That's useless for making apple pie


I make apple pie with 151 (best we can get too). Not preferable but not bad either.

/almost apple cider season
 
2014-08-23 08:15:26 PM  
Although I agree that it's easier to abuse pure alcohol, and much easier to mis-use it...or "accidentally" overspike the Purple Passion, still, the other uses - and the last bottle of Everclear I bought was not consumed internally - make it worth having around.

Sometimes you want a solvent safe for human consumption, I suspect the denaturing ingredient has some impact on the varnish quality?
 
2014-08-23 08:26:20 PM  

Galius_Persnickety: Is there a reason they can't just use denatured alcohol? Works for regular varnish.


Denatured alcohol is ~50% methanol which is of course poisonous. I can appreciate the desire to use straight ethyl alcohol if you're going to be breathing the fumes frequently.
 
2014-08-23 10:08:28 PM  
if you were too lazy to make a still. you cou;d always try putting cheap booze in insulated chest with dry ice and throw away what crystallizes first

dry ice  -109 degrees F
freezing point of pure ethanol -173 degrees F

So if you can chill it to -109 degrees, you probably can pour off relatively pure ethanol.

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Meh  83%  166 proof :(
 
2014-08-23 10:29:13 PM  

Nick Nostril: Smeggy Smurf: devildog123: Maryland is a good piss wide.  These guys can drive to Virginia, Delaware, or West Virginia in less than half an hour from almost anywhere in the state.  It isn't like being trapped in the middle of Utah or something.

Or Idaho.  The best we can get is 151 rum.  That's useless for making apple pie

I make apple pie with 151 (best we can get too). Not preferable but not bad either.

/almost apple cider season


I've done it also.  It should have been saved for spiking tea
 
2014-08-24 12:49:55 AM  
HOTY candidate
And thanks for the learnings.
/99% IPA
 
2014-08-24 01:42:12 AM  
Good grief, give the luthiers a pass.
 
2014-08-24 01:45:31 PM  

Chagrin: Denatured alcohol is ~50% methanol which is of course poisonous. I can appreciate the desire to use straight ethyl alcohol if you're going to be breathing the fumes frequently.


It usually isn't that high of a percentage.  In the EU, the ratio is 3 parts isopropyl alcohol, 3 parts butanone, 1 part denatonium to 93 parts ethanol alcohol.  In the UK, the ratio is 9 parts methanol, 1 part pyridine, and less than 1 parts methyl violet and mineral oil to 90 parts ethanol alcohol.

Some denatured ethanol alcohols contain dyes, which might be a problem if you're trying to dissolve shellac and you're picky about color.  I imagine that dye-free formulas are available, but you might have to special order them.

As for breathing fumes - just find a denatured product without methanol or pyridine in it.  Or beef up your ventilation.
 
2014-08-24 03:28:45 PM  
If the ban also affects manufacturers of saxophones, we have a case for advocating "sax and
violins"....sorry, I couldn't resist.
 
2014-08-24 06:52:27 PM  

Li'l Robbie: If the ban also affects manufacturers of saxophones, we have a case for advocating "sax and
violins"....sorry, I couldn't resist.


That is a "dad joke" if ever I heard one. Good job.
 
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