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(Slate)   Timeline of all the missteps the Ferguson police made in the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting. We're talking about a lot of failure here folks   (slate.com) divider line 408
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2014-08-22 07:35:43 PM  
Some legal expert on some new network pointed out that every fark up that has been made would benefit Wilsons defense and would be somethig that any defense attorney would love to have happen.

//IANAL
//also I am not a lawyer
 
2014-08-22 08:10:16 PM  
nice timeline
 
2014-08-22 08:14:25 PM  
I skipped straight to the end(since I've been here almost from the start), and it doesn't look like they included the heavily redacted Police Statement finally released. The one that makes it look like the PD have circled their wagons.

http://time.com/3159680/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-police-repor t/

They are not obligated, under Missouri law, to release the details. But if the details are in their favor it benefits them to get them in the public eye.
 
2014-08-22 08:32:30 PM  
Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.
 
2014-08-22 08:52:05 PM  
I haven't seen a Michael Brown get f*cked over this hard since Katrina.
 
2014-08-22 09:26:26 PM  
Consequences will never be the same.
 
2014-08-22 09:42:23 PM  
Why is there a bukkake photo in the story?
 
2014-08-22 09:43:06 PM  
I'm not sure they messed up anything. They rolled out heavy the first night and did what they wanted for the next two. Then when they had to turn over the detail to the Highway Patrol they gave them one night of peace. Then they poked the bear with the video and the name of the officer. More riots. This time they (Ferguson PD) couldn't be blamed. Then the national guard rolled in. More poking more riots. Now the guard has restored some order. You think the Ferguson Police Dept is going to say they need to be more or less like the National Guard now?!

Every time someone else tries they fail because of the provocation of the Ferguson Police Dept. The PR machine is fired up and the Ferguson PD has plenty to point at and say that they aren't the bad guys. Looks like they got to use the amount of force they wanted to use and they broke out all their new toys and they are going to get away with it.

Sorry but the Ferguson PD are still the bad guys.
 
2014-08-22 09:57:55 PM  
If you don't give a shiat and basically feel like you can do what you want with little repercussions, it's not really failure. It's just day to day business.
 
2014-08-22 09:58:48 PM  
Good article.
 
2014-08-22 10:03:07 PM  

Giltric: Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.


First.  Thanks for the clear NSFW warning.   I'm not at work but I really don't want to see the bloody detail.

Towards your point.  I think the key is defusing things is trying to defuse things, not double-down.  Your Weeners should look like the opposite as the narrative of the protesters.  IMHO.
 
2014-08-22 10:09:16 PM  
It is not that I dislike cops.  I've defended cops in more than one Fark thread.  I have a generally leaning (bias) towards being outraged by armed people shooting unarmed people.  I just feel that is fundamentally wrong in almost any circumstance regardless of race and who is holding the gun.

I blame:

1) the officer
2) that law enforcement agency
3) a thick thread of racism that winds its way through American culture/politics
4) Brown, but he is a victim first
 
2014-08-22 10:27:01 PM  

bdub77: I haven't seen a Michael Brown get f*cked over this hard since Katrina.


That was nuclear. You've killed us all.
 
2014-08-22 10:40:40 PM  

Giltric: Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.


All of this. The first riots broke out the first night after the shooting. Ferguson PD is something like 50 cops. By the time 12 stores were looted, 1 was burned down, and Ferguson PD had called in emergency help from more than 100 officers from the surrounding towns, they finally got everything under control by 2am.

By the second day, when the crowd again became violent, of course they immediately responded with teargas. They had 6-8 hours of severe rioting and unrest the night before.

USA today has a much better and much more complete timeline.

Slate is such a farking rag. They can't even get the details right.
 
2014-08-22 10:48:09 PM  

Elegy: Giltric: Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.

All of this. The first riots broke out the first night after the shooting. Ferguson PD is something like 50 cops. By the time 12 stores were looted, 1 was burned down, and Ferguson PD had called in emergency help from more than 100 officers from the surrounding towns, they finally got everything under control by 2am.

By the second day, when the crowd again became violent, of course they immediately responded with teargas. They had 6-8 hours of severe rioting and unrest the night before.

USA today has a much better and much more complete timeline.

Slate is such a farking rag. They can't even get the details right.


USA today is more neutral.  The Slate one has more analysis.  It was a better summary of the situation instead of a timeline.
 
2014-08-22 11:03:23 PM  

mrshowrules: It is not that I dislike cops.  I've defended cops in more than one Fark thread.  I have a generally leaning (bias) towards being outraged by armed people shooting unarmed people.  I just feel that is fundamentally wrong in almost any circumstance regardless of race and who is holding the gun.

I blame:

1) the officer
2) that law enforcement agency
3) a thick thread of racism that winds its way through American culture/politics
4) Brown, but he is a victim first


Really? It's looking like the shooting may be justified. I'm not saying it's parade time or anything but this is hardly the open and shut racism case it started out being.
 
2014-08-22 11:10:43 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mrshowrules: It is not that I dislike cops.  I've defended cops in more than one Fark thread.  I have a generally leaning (bias) towards being outraged by armed people shooting unarmed people.  I just feel that is fundamentally wrong in almost any circumstance regardless of race and who is holding the gun.

I blame:

1) the officer
2) that law enforcement agency
3) a thick thread of racism that winds its way through American culture/politics
4) Brown, but he is a victim first

Really? It's looking like the shooting may be justified. I'm not saying it's parade time or anything but this is hardly the open and shut racism case it started out being.


I'm not talking criminal or even what you can get away with based on law enforcement review process.  I'm saying it is wrong.  Even If I accept the police narrative, I still think they were in the wrong.  When did an unarmed person charging, become OK to shoot them 6 times, twice in thee head?  Even if I accepted that story.
 
2014-08-22 11:11:59 PM  

Elegy: Giltric: Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.

All of this. The first riots broke out the first night after the shooting. Ferguson PD is something like 50 cops. By the time 12 stores were looted, 1 was burned down, and Ferguson PD had called in emergency help from more than 100 officers from the surrounding towns, they finally got everything under control by 2am.

By the second day, when the crowd again became violent, of course they immediately responded with teargas. They had 6-8 hours of severe rioting and unrest the night before.

USA today has a much better and much more complete timeline.

Slate is such a farking rag. They can't even get the details right.


I didn't click the link. Is the first thing on the timeline "Hired white cops?"
 
2014-08-22 11:15:54 PM  
So many missteps the ghost of Arthur Murray cries out with shrieks of inconsolable sadness?

/Meh, I got nothing.
//Still doing better than the Ferguson PD.
 
2014-08-22 11:19:52 PM  
"Incident report? Um, it's around here somewhere..."

images.viralnova.com
 
2014-08-22 11:23:47 PM  
As I've said before, they've done the worst possible thing so many times, I'm just waiting for them to announce their allegiance to Hydra.
 
2014-08-22 11:24:23 PM  
The forgot No. 1:

Don't pursue Brown on your own just to shoot him down. Instead, call for backup and ask Dorian Johnson his identity and address to pick him up later, because he's obviously not a threat to the community at large, he's just resisting police contact.
 
2014-08-22 11:24:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really? It's looking like the shooting may be justified


Only in Nazi Germany would police shooting an unarmed person six times be justified. The officer did have a baton and taser, correct?

/Yes I Godwinned
//But seriously, what kind of mentality (or lack thereof) supports such a draconian measure for an unarmed criminal (Which still remains in doubt if Brown was a criminal in the first place)?
 
2014-08-22 11:33:50 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The forgot No. 1:

Don't pursue Brown on your own just to shoot him down. Instead, call for backup and ask Dorian Johnson his identity and address to pick him up later, because he's obviously not a threat to the community at large, he's just resisting police contact.


This.  If possibly being physcially overpowered is the threshold to shoot someone 6 times, perhaps they should consider 2 cops per car to help control the situation before challenging someone who makes them shiat their pants if the suspect gets angry.
 
2014-08-22 11:36:46 PM  
The sofa:

1. Did the cop know that the other person was unarmed? I am guessing that Treyvon didn't know that George was armed.


2. I don't know if the cop had a taser on him at the time or where his baton was after the scuffle in the car. Do you?

Perhaps Martin figured out at some point that Zimmerman was armed and that is why he fought for his life.  However, he never got to say his side of the story.  Best to be the killer than the killee
 
2014-08-22 11:37:21 PM  

The sofa: 1. Did the cop know that the other person was unarmed? I am guessing that Treyvon didn't know that George was armed.

2. I don't know if the cop had a taser on him at the time or where his baton was after the scuffle in the car. Do you?


I'm pretty sure I know where his radio was. Do you?
 
2014-08-22 11:38:01 PM  

mrshowrules: USA today is more neutral.  The Slate one has more analysis unsubstantiated, incomplete, and outright wrong information that agreed with my preconceived notions. It was a better summary of the situation instead of a timeline. Slate played to my biases better, so I liked it more.


Fixed.
 
2014-08-22 11:38:12 PM  
Robert Heinlein reminded us that you should never corner a short person; he'll kill you.

Just didn't know that was a thing with police

/from now on, you'll have to be this tall and this healthy to be a cop. You know, so you dont shoot grandmas in self defense
 
2014-08-22 11:43:37 PM  

The sofa: Caffienatedjedi: I skipped straight to the end(since I've been here almost from the start), and it doesn't look like they included the heavily redacted Police Statement finally released. The one that makes it look like the PD have circled their wagons.

http://time.com/3159680/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-police-repor t/

They are not obligated, under Missouri law, to release the details. But if the details are in their favor it benefits them to get them in the public eye.

You may want to check on the meaning of the word "redacted"

This isn't a TV crime drama where you get to see bits and pieces of information dribbling out until you figure out what happened.

They are supposed to gather evidence, do interviews with witnesses, do whatever forensic and other analysis they can do and ultimately turn that info over to the grand jury.

People are idiotic for thinking that they are entitled to know everything at the moment that the investigators know it.


Lazy reporting on my end, but where I was linked through was calling it redacted. But I stand by my statement that they should be releasing evidence they have availible to the public eye, not because they have to, but because they are in such a massive hole that even a little good will could prevent a future lynch mob. I don't support such actions, but I expect them if it is believed justice has failed.
 
2014-08-22 11:44:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mrshowrules: It is not that I dislike cops.  I've defended cops in more than one Fark thread.  I have a generally leaning (bias) towards being outraged by armed people shooting unarmed people.  I just feel that is fundamentally wrong in almost any circumstance regardless of race and who is holding the gun.

I blame:

1) the officer
2) that law enforcement agency
3) a thick thread of racism that winds its way through American culture/politics
4) Brown, but he is a victim first

Really? It's looking like the shooting may be justified. I'm not saying it's parade time or anything but this is hardly the open and shut racism case it started out being.


At what farking time, regardless of how the details of the shooting shake out, is it goddamned farking "parade time" that an unarmed 18 year old gets shot?
 
2014-08-22 11:47:48 PM  
Assuming Slate's timeline is correct (and really, I rarely trust Slate for the direction of sunrise), this sounds like the same set of circumstances that started the L.A. riots, more or less:

1. Potentially inflammatory situation (in this case, officer-involved shooting)
2. Situation initially mishandled by responding officer.
3. Backup responds, mishandling of situation increases.
4. Confusion and miscommunication between field officers and HQ
5. Secondary confrontation between officers and public; police overreact to (intentional?) provocation by crowd, possibly due to lack of coordination or preparation by superiors
6. Outnumbered officers lose control of situation, unable to regain control without resort to extraordinary measures.
7. Situation exacerbated by top-down failure to contact outside agencies (state police, National Guard), alienation of media rather than using it to calm public, isolation of situation instead of dissemination of information.

Really, it sounds to me like the problems start right at the top, probably with the chief of police, mayor, city council, etc., and only secondarily with the cops on the street. If they got out of control, its because their higher-ups did not plan for any kind of problems like this, did not address racial issues that have clearly been festering for quite some time, and never bothered to implement use-of-force guidelines for when and where all these fun new military-grade toys should be deployed to control riot situations. LRADs are not really supposed to be used for this type of crowd control, and rubber bullets are really for when the crowd is throwing live rounds at you, not empty bottles.

Be interesting to see how the investigation shakes out.
 
2014-08-22 11:48:43 PM  

Mugato: Why is there a bukkake photo in the story?


hahahaha
 
2014-08-22 11:48:57 PM  

moothemagiccow: I didn't click the link.


Maybe you should.
 
2014-08-22 11:51:44 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sorry but the Ferguson PD are still the bad guys.


This racism and discrimination is real in this country and it is well known a smart person want get hired in a local force that now has the firepower of infantry.
 
2014-08-22 11:57:42 PM  

Giltric: Im pretty sure the video of the crime scene shows EMS showing up and covering the body sooner rather than hours later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be  NSFW NSFW

Why was the response of riot gear too heavy handed? People were already being violent without a heavy police presence. And things can quickly get out of hand..we saw that in 92.

If they didnt respond like they did when they did the article would have been "Police let Ferguson burn"....damned if you do, damned if you dont.


Classic false dilemma fallacy. There was a third option: massive police presence without the riot gear.

Police girding up in riot gear can become self-fulfilling prophesy.
 
2014-08-23 12:08:45 AM  
Isn't there still only one dead despite riots?  And the officer that killed him wasn't in any military gear.

In fact the only serious post-shooting wrongdoing was the release of the autopsy showing he was shot in the front and fell forward in his direction of travel.  Might as well flew a flag out to all those witnesses that want to revise their statements before the grand jury that they saw him running away and getting shot in the back.  That scam celebrity examiner who is a fraud needs to go to jail.
 
2014-08-23 12:08:55 AM  

The sofa: Caffienatedjedi: I skipped straight to the end(since I've been here almost from the start), and it doesn't look like they included the heavily redacted Police Statement finally released. The one that makes it look like the PD have circled their wagons.

http://time.com/3159680/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-police-repor t/

They are not obligated, under Missouri law, to release the details. But if the details are in their favor it benefits them to get them in the public eye.

You may want to check on the meaning of the word "redacted"

This isn't a TV crime drama where you get to see bits and pieces of information dribbling out until you figure out what happened.

They are supposed to gather evidence, do interviews with witnesses, do whatever forensic and other analysis they can do and ultimately turn that info over to the grand jury.

People are idiotic for thinking that they are entitled to know everything at the moment that the investigators know it.


Uh... it's not too much to ask what he was suspected of. We get that information all the time. I understand withholding details of what happened, but it's highly unusual that we don't at least get a crime he was accused of committing...

It also doesn't help that they released a video that conveniently doesn't show him paying for the swishers (as opposed to this one).

Even if evidence comes out that Brown hadn't committed any crimes and Wilson was clearly the aggressor, with all that they've already done (from the video, to the prosecutor, to the inflammatory headlines) I have serious doubts Wilson could ever be convicted, short of confessing.
 
2014-08-23 12:09:15 AM  

Elegy: Slate played to my biases better, so I liked it more.


If you can point to any specific item and explain why it's false or misleading, I would like to hear your reasoning.

My intuition says you can't, though. I would be honestly surprised if you even opened the link before making that post.
 
2014-08-23 12:09:30 AM  
They should of had a lockdown at the rec center.
 
2014-08-23 12:12:01 AM  
while this whole ferguson thing bothers me quite alot, what really gets me mad is the racism this has brought out form everywhere, from yahoo comments to facebook posts. It baffles me how so many people in the US think someone like Cliven Bundy is a hero for pointing guns and intimidating Federal agents after squating on land that isnt his and that the shooting of an unarmed black kiddo and the militarization overreaction is completely justified because he may or may not have stolen stuff (which video says he didnt).

makes me really hate alot of this country for being stupid racist neanderthals.
 
2014-08-23 12:13:03 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really? It's looking like the shooting may be justified. I'm not saying it's parade time or anything but this is hardly the open and shut racism case it started out being.


Really, there's no excuse ever for police to use lethal force against unarmed suspects anymore. Between tonfas, tazers, pepper spray, sound cannons, and God knows what else, the police have plenty of non-lethal alternatives available. It is increasingly clear we shouldn't let local cops carry guns at all.
 
2014-08-23 12:13:55 AM  
images.sodahead.com

It was really an amazing circus of fail.  It continues, still.  Nobody in any position of authority did anything right for like a solid week and a half.  From now on every time I make a mistake at work, I will look back at my crumpled picture of Chief Thomas Jackson at any one of those press scrums and and soothe myself knowing that I will never eff up anything as badly as he did, this incident.

And it 'aint over, there's a lot more fail to be had.  Get ready for more action after Darren Wilson is fully pardoned and gets to run off with a huge briefcase full of cash donated by racists.
 
2014-08-23 12:13:59 AM  

tbeatty: Might as well flew a flag out to all those witnesses that want to revise their statements before the grand jury that they saw him running away and getting shot in the back.


Considering they've all been interrogated by the FBI, and you go to jail if you lie to a Federal agent, I don't think they're going to change their stories for the Grand Jury.
 
2014-08-23 12:13:59 AM  

tbeatty: Isn't there still only one dead despite riots?  And the officer that killed him wasn't in any military gear.

In fact the only serious post-shooting wrongdoing was the release of the autopsy


So releasing a portion of a security feed that makes Brown look like a thief wasn't wrong?
Tear gas and rubber bullets weren't wrong?
Riot gear wasn't wrong?
Arresting journalists wasn't wrong?
Not replacing a prosecutor who has had several family members serve in the police department, and whose father died in the line of duty wasn't wrong?

We clearly have very different definitions of wrongdoing.
 
2014-08-23 12:15:05 AM  

tbeatty: Isn't there still only one dead despite riots?  And the officer that killed him wasn't in any military gear.

In fact the only serious post-shooting wrongdoing was the release of the autopsy showing he was shot in the front and fell forward in his direction of travel.  Might as well flew a flag out to all those witnesses that want to revise their statements before the grand jury that they saw him running away and getting shot in the back.  That scam celebrity examiner who is a fraud needs to go to jail.


This is what Fox viewers actually believe.
 
2014-08-23 12:18:31 AM  
This is like the 3rd case ever that Democrats demanded prosecution for. Duke Lacrosse and Zimmerman were the others. Oh, and those terrible cops that raped Tawana Brawley.
 
2014-08-23 12:22:27 AM  
Elegy:
All of this. The first riots broke out the first night after the shooting. Ferguson PD is something like 50 cops. By the time 12 stores were looted, 1 was burned down, and Ferguson PD had called in emergency help from more than 100 officers from the surrounding towns, they finally got everything under control by 2am.

By the second day, when the crowd again became violent, of course they immediately responded with teargas. They had 6-8 hours of severe rioting and unrest the night before.

USA today has a much better and much more complete timeline.

Slate is such a farking rag. They can't even get the details right.


This and more.  Those officers put in 24 hour shifts amid dangerous crowds.   They protected neighborhoods where they don't live from rioters and looters.

The biggest disservice was the press characterizing the robbery video as a cheap shot and then seeming to want to separate the two incidents.  That was true from only on side: Wilson's.  The officer didn't know Brown was fleeing the scene of a violent felony but Brown sure did.  He didn't want to be chit-chatting with police when he was trying to get off the street.  That video explained his mindset.  It also showed exactly how he press would have reacted to images of the officers fractured eye socket and anything else that justified Wilson's action.

The bottom line is that the state only has one bite at the apple and just as the Governor handed control over to the State police and national guard, he rejected naming his own prosecutor.  Doesn't take much to realize that this case is solidly in Wilson's favor and the Governor wasn't about to be connected with a failed prosecution. The feds too will fade away like they did in Zimmerman.  Pathetic racial politics played against justice.
 
2014-08-23 12:24:18 AM  

nijika: [images.sodahead.com image 350x280]

It was really an amazing circus of fail.  It continues, still.  Nobody in any position of authority did anything right for like a solid week and a half.  From now on every time I make a mistake at work, I will look back at my crumpled picture of Chief Thomas Jackson at any one of those press scrums and and soothe myself knowing that I will never eff up anything as badly as he did, this incident.

And it 'aint over, there's a lot more fail to be had.  Get ready for more action after Darren Wilson is fully pardoned and gets to run off with a huge briefcase full of cash donated by racists.


What's the death toll?  Oh right.  One fleeing felon.  Meanwhile two civilian shooting victims of looters were saved by armored troop carriers.
 
2014-08-23 12:24:18 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: This is like the 3rd case ever that Democrats demanded prosecution for. Duke Lacrosse and Zimmerman were the others. Oh, and those terrible cops that raped Tawana Brawley.


You missed a perfectly good opportunity to whine about Rick Perry.
 
2014-08-23 12:25:25 AM  

tbeatty: This and more.  Those officers put in 24 hour shifts amid dangerous crowds.   They protected neighborhoods where they don't live from rioters and looters.


And they got paid double-time-and-a-half.
 
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