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2014-08-22 08:42:08 AM
Sic semper Blue Dogs.
 
2014-08-22 08:55:58 AM
FTFA -The dramatic downsize underscores not only how consequential the health care law vote was but how quickly moderate Democrats have been eliminated on Capitol Hill.

So if you voted against the ACA you are a moderate, and if you voted for it you are some kind of Left wing commie socialist radical. Got it.
 
2014-08-22 09:33:59 AM
The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.
 
2014-08-22 09:45:22 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.


Ding!
 
2014-08-22 10:12:23 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it.


There were also a few liberal democrats who voted for it, but they've been an endangered species for ages. However, they're currently not as endangered as the conservative democrats who voted against the PPACA are.
 
2014-08-22 10:19:30 AM
Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...
 
2014-08-22 10:20:41 AM

Dinki: FTFA -The dramatic downsize underscores not only how consequential the health care law vote was but how quickly moderate Democrats have been eliminated on Capitol Hill.

So if you voted against the ACA you are a moderate, and if you voted for it you are some kind of Left wing commie socialist radical. Got it.


cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.


We're done here.
 
2014-08-22 10:26:16 AM

cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.


Support for ACA has been falling.
 
GBB
2014-08-22 10:26:53 AM
The Ds are beginning to sound like the Rs with this "you must vote on partisan lines.
 
2014-08-22 10:28:20 AM
The Blue Dogs who voted against it did so in a futile attempt to save their seats and now are gone replaced in the main by Teatards.

This is somehow news to Politico in 2014?

Dinki: FTFA -The dramatic downsize underscores not only how consequential the health care law vote was but how quickly moderate Democrats have been eliminated on Capitol Hill.

So if you voted against the ACA you are a moderate, and if you voted for it you are some kind of Left wing commie socialist radical. Got it.


And THIS. I've actually had people try to argue with me that Politico has a left wing slant. Silly people, obviously.
 
2014-08-22 10:30:13 AM

usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.


yeah but support for obamacare has been on the rise
 
2014-08-22 10:31:28 AM
Moments ago a commercial on TV urged me to call Mark Udall and demand. Obama care be repealed. This happens at least 3 times daily.

Somebody has deep pockets and little understanding of who signs bill into laws.

"Did you know that Coloradans that live in Vail and Aspen pay almost twice as much for insurance?"

Hang on, I'm being urged to go to ExxonMobil.com/itsourbackyardnow to learn the facts about fracking.
 
2014-08-22 10:33:10 AM
What the hell happened to my first sentence?

...demand Obamacare be repealed.
 
2014-08-22 10:38:32 AM

usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.


Among people who want the legislation expanded and strengthened. According to your own link.
 
2014-08-22 10:41:44 AM

usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.


Same Survey

Which would you rather see your representative in Congress do when it comes to the health care law? (READ AND ROTATE)

They should work to improve the law
07/14 05/14 04/14
60%     59%     58%

They should work to repeal the law and replace it with something else
07/14 05/14 04/14
35%     34%     35%

Neither of these/they should do something else (VOL.)
07/14 05/14 04/14
2%       3%      3%
 
2014-08-22 10:48:09 AM

Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...


Except those moderate Democrats weren't replaced by primary challenges from the left, but by being beaten by right wing Republicans.

usernameguy: Support for ACA has been falling.


Disapproval has been hovering between 40 and 50 percent since they started polling, and the very last poll "spiked" to 53%?  Looks flat to me.
 
2014-08-22 10:50:27 AM
I love how being a moderate is treated like some sort of disease now.

\ACA theory: great
\\ACA implementation: Government work at its most goverment work-y
 
2014-08-22 10:51:43 AM

usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.


Looks like its been fairly flat. a 1 month downtick from June to July isn't a trend. Nothing has happened nation wide in that month for there to be a significant change in opinion, yet there was a huge change in opinion across all income groups, genders, races and parties. I'm guessing a sampling issue at best. Come back in a month and you'll probably see it swing back.
 
2014-08-22 11:02:01 AM

FriarReb98: I love how being a moderate is treated like some sort of disease now.

\ACA theory: great
\\ACA implementation: Government work at its most goverment work-y


Remember, if you vote against a bad implementation of a good idea, you're automatically against the good idea and are therefore wrong.
 
2014-08-22 11:02:02 AM

MindStalker: Looks like its been fairly flat. a 1 month downtick from June to July isn't a trend. Nothing has happened nation wide in that month for there to be a significant change in opinion, yet there was a huge change in opinion across all income groups, genders, races and parties. I'm guessing a sampling issue at best. Come back in a month and you'll probably see it swing back.


Reading farther into the poll, there is a large amount of people who were 'following' the VA news stories almost as much as they were following the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

My gut tells me that might have something to do with it.
 
2014-08-22 11:21:32 AM

ginandbacon: usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.

Among people who want the legislation expanded and strengthened. According to your own link.


Ouch
 
2014-08-22 11:22:23 AM

Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...


Moderates conservatives are thriving withing the DNC.  They even passed a health care reform law to preserve the private health insurance industry.
 
2014-08-22 11:22:40 AM

Epic Fap Session: Moments ago a commercial on TV urged me to call Mark Udall and demand. Obama care be repealed. This happens at least 3 times daily.

Somebody has deep pockets and little understanding of who signs bill into laws.

"Did you know that Coloradans that live in Vail and Aspen pay almost twice as much for insurance?"

Hang on, I'm being urged to go to ExxonMobil.com/itsourbackyardnow to learn the facts about fracking.


Well, if you'd just get off your ass and DO those things, we could all go back to our regular dog food and deodorant commercials.
 
2014-08-22 11:23:30 AM
Remember folks. Moderate politicians who can gain votes across party lines are the problem with America. As well as gerrymandered districts that cause one party to gain an impossible foothold, which allows the rise of grinding partisanship. Compromise is for the weak!
 
2014-08-22 11:29:55 AM
Apropos of almost nothing, here is a video of The Count, censored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
 
2014-08-22 11:37:56 AM
ACA is not left wing.
On the left, there is single payer, in the middle is ACA, and on the right is "go f&@k yourself."
 
2014-08-22 11:51:05 AM

Dinki: FTFA -The dramatic downsize underscores not only how consequential the health care law vote was but how quickly moderate Democrats have been eliminated on Capitol Hill.

So if you voted against the ACA you are a moderate, and if you voted for it you are some kind of Left wing commie socialist radical. Got it.


I stopped reading after that sentence.
 
2014-08-22 11:56:23 AM

Holfax: ACA is not left wing.
On the left, there is single payer, in the middle is ACA, and on the right is "Pay me everything you got, then go f&@k yourself."


FTFY
 
2014-08-22 12:00:34 PM

FriarReb98: I love how being a moderate is treated like some sort of disease now.

\ACA theory: great
\\ACA implementation: Government work at its most goverment work-y


The right-wing echo chamber tried really hard after 9/11 to paint moderates as apostates. "Liberals are wrong be beause their core ideology is completely wrong, but at least they have core values! Moderates are worse because they don't have any core values."

I vaguely remember Limbaugh spat that nonsense immediately after complaining that Democrats see government as their religion, with less than no indication of self-awareness.
 
2014-08-22 12:13:01 PM
So this story was all about how uber-liberal Democrats replaced the bad Democrats who voted against the ACA right?
 
2014-08-22 12:14:40 PM

mrshowrules: Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...

Moderates conservatives are thriving withing the DNC.  They even passed a health care reform law to preserve the private health insurance industry.


They aren't talking about "moderate" in terms of conservative versus liberal political philosophy. When they analyze moderates as they pertain to their party they are talking about politicians of a certain party who vote differently than their party's position on a number of occasions. We've had recent articles about how more and more on both sides of the aisle, incoming Congressional representative are voting with their respective party over 90% of the time with much fewer instances of representatives crossing party lines.
 
2014-08-22 12:26:53 PM

Nabb1: They aren't talking about "moderate" in terms of conservative versus liberal political philosophy. When they analyze moderates as they pertain to their party they are talking about politicians of a certain party who vote differently than their party's position on a number of occasions.


Well, that's what most people think of when the word moderate is used in a political context. Also, they're not talking about voting patterns over a number of occasions, they are referring to a single vote and how votes on this single issue are indicative of ideology. By that reasoning, a person who voted down the ACA because it didn't offer universal government-run healthcare would be considered moderate.
 
2014-08-22 12:36:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.


False.  In most cases, these moderate Democrats were replaced by Republicans, usually crazy right wing Tea Party Republicans.  I much prefer a moderate Democrat over any sort of Republican any day.
 
2014-08-22 01:12:40 PM
Jaymark108:

Except those moderate Democrats weren't replaced by primary challenges from the left, but by being beaten by right wing Republicans.

Yeah, that was what I found interesting.  These were districts where the politics were such that merely having that (D) next to your name was going to get you fired, even when you voted against the ACA.

If we're going to talk about polarization of politics, I don't think you can blame the DCCC for this particular set of seat turnovers.
 
2014-08-22 01:41:41 PM
This is an issue that demonstrates people will vote against their best interests.  Not just the individual voter but also the Democratic congressmen.
My issues are still with how the insurance companies are managing healthcare.  It is those companies which are aggravating me the most and always have been.
I can't imagine government being more of a jerk than these companies.
 
2014-08-22 01:44:01 PM

FriarReb98: I love how being a moderate is treated like some sort of disease now.

\ACA theory: great
\\ACA implementation: Government work at its most goverment work-y


Aside from the website problems what's been wrong with the implementation?
 
2014-08-22 02:01:36 PM

Garaba: usernameguy: cameroncrazy1984: The moderate democrats are the ones who voted for it. The fewer of those left, the better the Dems are off because support for ACA keeps going up.

Support for ACA has been falling.

Same Survey

Which would you rather see your representative in Congress do when it comes to the health care law? (READ AND ROTATE)

They should work to improve the law
07/14 05/14 04/14
60%     59%     58%

They should work to repeal the law and replace it with something else
07/14 05/14 04/14
35%     34%     35%

Neither of these/they should do something else (VOL.)
07/14 05/14 04/14
2%       3%      3%


There's always been a contingent of 10-15% of people who oppose Obamacare because it isn't Medicare for All. That's where most of the discrepancy between polls asking about approval of the law and what Congress should do with the law comes from.
 
2014-08-22 02:29:36 PM

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...

Moderates conservatives are thriving withing the DNC.  They even passed a health care reform law to preserve the private health insurance industry.

They aren't talking about "moderate" in terms of conservative versus liberal political philosophy. When they analyze moderates as they pertain to their party they are talking about politicians of a certain party who vote differently than their party's position on a number of occasions. We've had recent articles about how more and more on both sides of the aisle, incoming Congressional representative are voting with their respective party over 90% of the time with much fewer instances of representatives crossing party lines.


Voting against GOP insanity does kind of make you have to vote for the Democrats.
 
2014-08-22 02:30:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: FriarReb98: I love how being a moderate is treated like some sort of disease now.

\ACA theory: great
\\ACA implementation: Government work at its most goverment work-y

Aside from the website problems what's been wrong with the implementation?


Obama refuses to stop being black and a Democrat. Who implemented a 100% Republican health care plan. That no Republicans voted for.
 
2014-08-22 02:53:32 PM
Don't you mean Dixiecrat?
 
2014-08-22 02:59:45 PM
Four left? So did four depart, or are there four remaining?
 
2014-08-22 03:01:31 PM

WelldeadLink: Four left? So did four depart, or are there four remaining?


You didn't even have to read TFA, it had a pretty picture explaining the whole thing, with very few of those difficult wordy things.
 
2014-08-22 03:11:15 PM

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...

Moderates conservatives are thriving withing the DNC.  They even passed a health care reform law to preserve the private health insurance industry.

They aren't talking about "moderate" in terms of conservative versus liberal political philosophy. When they analyze moderates as they pertain to their party they are talking about politicians of a certain party who vote differently than their party's position on a number of occasions. We've had recent articles about how more and more on both sides of the aisle, incoming Congressional representative are voting with their respective party over 90% of the time with much fewer instances of representatives crossing party lines.


I realize what they do and it is unfortunate.    American politics sorely needs outside perspective.  Both globally and in terms of your own history.  It is like a patient at a hospital evaluating the sanity of the other patients and evaluating the ones not continuously masturbating or playing with there fecal matter as the moderates.
 
2014-08-22 03:17:02 PM

Smoking GNU: WelldeadLink: Four left? So did four depart, or are there four remaining?

You didn't even have to read TFA, it had a pretty picture explaining the whole thing, with very few of those difficult wordy things.


What, you expect us to do that difficult clicky thing?
 
2014-08-22 03:39:38 PM

Epic Fap Session: Moments ago a commercial on TV urged me to call Mark Udall and demand. Obama care be repealed. This happens at least 3 times daily.

Somebody has deep pockets and little understanding of who signs bill into laws.

"Did you know that Coloradans that live in Vail and Aspen pay almost twice as much for insurance?"

Hang on, I'm being urged to go to ExxonMobil.com/itsourbackyardnow to learn the facts about fracking.




hbcudigest.com
OH HAI

 
2014-08-22 03:51:12 PM
FTFAHalf of the 34 who voted against Obamacare in March 2010 lost their seats that November, overcome by the Republican wave that was powered in part by the law. Another four chose not to run for reelection.

So, then, kowtowing to the tea tards didn't save them.
 
2014-08-22 03:56:07 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA:  Half of the 34 who voted against Obamacare in March 2010 lost their seats that November, overcome by the Republican wave that was powered in part by the law. Another four chose not to run for reelection.

So, then, kowtowing to the tea tards didn't save them.


Didn't save this guy either:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-22 04:29:28 PM

rev. dave: This is an issue that demonstrates people will vote against their best interests.  Not just the individual voter but also the Democratic congressmen.
My issues are still with how the insurance companies are managing healthcare.  It is those companies which are aggravating me the most and always have been.
I can't imagine government being more of a jerk than these companies.


You have a problem with your health care being overseen by people who have an economic incentive to refuse to cover the costs of an illness or accident?

What are you, some kind of commie?
 
2014-08-22 04:34:16 PM

Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...


There's s slight difference.  Most of the Blue Dogs who were neutered in 2010 were from conservative districts and were part of Rahm Emanuel's "We don't care what they stand for as long as they have a D after their name" strategy.  While some liberals at Daily Kos threatened to primary the Blue Dogs, the liberal factions in those states weren't powerful enough to knock most of those candidates off.  What killed them is that the Tea Partiers thought they were too liberal and killed them in the general.  On the Republican side, the Tea Party slaughtered their own moderates.

I know the media and conservatives like to push this "both sides are bad" meme, but in reality it's the Tea Party that has killed moderates on both sides.
 
2014-08-22 05:08:31 PM

Mentat: Nabb1: Moderate Republicans are an endangered species as well. In this age of rancorous partisanship, I have great confidence in the solution being our two parties purging members who are not in rigid lockstep with their party leadership on all issues. Then we can just make Harvey Dent Speaker of the House...

There's s slight difference.  MostAll of the Blue Dogs who were neutered in 2010 were from conservative districts and were part of Rahm Emanuel's "We don't care what they stand for as long as they have a D after their name" strategy.  While some liberals at Daily Kos threatened to primary the Blue Dogs, the liberal factions in those states weren't powerful enough to knock most of those candidates off.  What killed them is that the Tea Partiers thought they were too liberal and killed them in the general.  On the Republican side, the Tea Party slaughtered their own moderates.

I know the media and conservatives like to push this "both sides are bad" meme, but in reality it's the Tea Party that has killed moderates on both sides.


FTFY.
 
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