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(New York Daily News)   Should MLB have a pitch clock to speed up the game? Support for the idea is growing second by second   (nydailynews.com) divider line 89
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2014-08-22 05:19:55 AM  
If only there were a rule or something -oh, wait:

The actual rule 8.04, seldom enforced, holds that "When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call "Ball."

Anyone who knows anything about baseball knows it's not the pitcher that is delaying the game.  It's the superstitious batters.  Address the issue at the plate -not the mound.
 
2014-08-22 06:16:57 AM  
Frederick:

What he said.

Also, Roboumps (Umpbots?).  One Hawkeye system per stadium and two sets of green and red lights signaling balls and strikes, one for the pitcher and one for the catcher.  Then stick the home plate ump over to the side in front of the batter so he can actually see if the batter checked or foul tipped or whatever.
 
2014-08-22 07:19:03 AM  
Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?
 
2014-08-22 07:22:18 AM  

kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?


Make the pitcher pitch anyway if the batter is in the box or not. Put up a timer they both can see. Pitcher gets X seconds after the countdown to pitch. If the batter isn't there it's his own damn fault.
 
2014-08-22 07:30:06 AM  

enry: kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?

Make the pitcher pitch anyway if the batter is in the box or not. Put up a timer they both can see. Pitcher gets X seconds after the countdown to pitch. If the batter isn't there it's his own damn fault.


Exactly.  Punish the superstitious batters, as well as the pitchers that have to do some sort of Pilates before they deliver the pitch.
 
2014-08-22 07:36:30 AM  
All of the above. You could knock 15 minutes off the typical Nationals game just by eliminating Denard Span's routine.

Also, umpires should stop granting time outs between every single pitch just because the batter wants to adjust his gloves, hat, crotch, etc. If the batter steps out of the box and the umpire didn't call time out -- which, of course, is up to the umpire not the player -- that's his problem.
 
2014-08-22 07:42:26 AM  
Yes.  Also, the batter should not be able to step out of the box free of penalty unless a manager calls time.  If a batter steps out of the box it should be a strike.  Stop wasting time.  Stop trying to play head games with the pitcher.  Get your ass in there and swing.
 
2014-08-22 07:42:44 AM  
Might be a small thing, but limit batter time-outs.  If you can't get yourself prepared to hit in under 10 seconds...  well shiat just get it together ferchrissakes!  You're being paid millions of dollars!
 
2014-08-22 07:47:27 AM  
Here's also another novel idea: call more strikes. The strike zone is from the arm pits (area) to the knees, not the belly button to the knees.
 
2014-08-22 07:49:01 AM  
It took about 12 minutes for Nomar Garciaparra to properly tighten his batting gloves between pitches.
 
2014-08-22 08:16:58 AM  
Currently, the rule is a pitch in 12 seconds.  Last season, the average time between pitches was 25 seconds.
 
2014-08-22 08:18:44 AM  
If they limited commercial breaks to two minutes between half-innings and for pitching changes, they'd cut more than half an hour off the game time.
 
2014-08-22 08:24:55 AM  
Add more day games.

Even the godawful-slow Yankees wrapped their game up in 2:07 yesterday. Usually they're somewhere in the fifth inning at the two-hour mark
 
2014-08-22 08:25:33 AM  

Hoopy Frood: If they limited commercial breaks to two minutes between half-innings and for pitching changes, they'd cut more than half an hour off the game time.


Expecting them to give up tens of millions of dollars is a bit unreasonable.

Just speed up the pitchers and batters, you're fine.
 
2014-08-22 08:25:44 AM  
Enforce the 12 second rule and only allow 1 timeout per at bat.
 
2014-08-22 08:27:57 AM  

skinink: It took about 12 minutes for Nomar Garciaparra to properly tighten his batting gloves between pitches.


Yep. That idiot was the turning point for me. redsox yankees games seem to average 3.5 hours now. And gawd help you if it's a 1-0 14 inning pitchers duel. You want to slit your wrists. I get to the point where I don't care who wins, just make it end!
 
2014-08-22 08:28:42 AM  

kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?


There's the problem, right there. There's a lot of pitchers that work pretty quickly, but have to stand on the hill waiting for the batter to stop into the box.
 
2014-08-22 08:38:24 AM  
Olbermann went over this last night  http://youtu.be/fMmt3YXjC34
 
2014-08-22 08:44:17 AM  
They give warnings to pitchers that don't wait for the batter's wardrobe check. This is all backwards.
 
2014-08-22 08:45:11 AM  

Basily Gourt: And gawd help you if it's a 1-0 14 inning pitchers duel.


The pitchers' duels are fine. It means fewer interruptions for pitching changes. It's the 8-6 games that run four hours for nine innings.
 
2014-08-22 08:46:06 AM  

ChrisDe: kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?

There's the problem, right there. There's a lot of pitchers that work pretty quickly, but have to stand on the hill waiting for the batter to stop into the box.


A lot of people don't realize that the batter (or the manager, for that matter) can't call a time out. They can request one, but its at the discretion of the umpire to call one. I'd like to see a batter call for a TO mid-bat and the umpire just say "no". Wrist straps not quite as tight as you'd like them, even though you didn't even swing at the last pitch? Tough.

I'd also pay good money to see a pitcher zip a fast ball past Denard Span while he's doing that stupid bat twirling thing he does between every goddamn pitch.
 
2014-08-22 08:53:11 AM  
To save a crap load of time, simply ban batting gloves.  Let 'em man up and touch the actual wood.
 
2014-08-22 09:03:40 AM  

LeatherPenguin: Olbermann went over this last night  http://youtu.be/fMmt3YXjC34


Hit it square on the head.
 
2014-08-22 09:07:02 AM  
Simply remove the time out for batters entirely. They can step out to adjust, but strikes can be thrown while they are doing so.
 
2014-08-22 09:15:04 AM  
Stick a highly visible clock behind home plate and in center field. Batters get 10 seconds, pitchers get 10 seconds.
 
2014-08-22 09:20:07 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: To save a crap load of time, simply ban batting gloves.  Let 'em man up and touch the actual wood.


Go on.....
 
2014-08-22 09:20:34 AM  
"Baseball needs a little speeding up. You know how you speed up baseball? Everybody gets one swing, that's right. One swing, F*** you, you're out, sit down, next, let's go, come one, sit down, come on, let's go. Here's another thing that would make baseball a lot faster: If the pitcher hits the batter with the ball, the batter's out. You hit 27 guys, you got yourself a perfect game my friend. You get two really good accurate pitchers out there and you could be out of that ballpark in 15 minutes. You could be home watching football on TV and see some serious injuries. One more thing for baseball, out in the outfield I would have a series of randomly placed landmines. "There's Marshall, settling under that ball." (EXPLOSION sound effect) "Holy s***!"

~George Carlin
 
2014-08-22 09:21:42 AM  

KingKauff: Here's also another novel idea: call more strikes. The strike zone is from the arm pits (area) to the knees, not the belly button to the knees.


Offense is already down and there are more strikeouts than ever before (or at least more than recently)
 
2014-08-22 09:23:34 AM  

ChrisDe: kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?

There's the problem, right there. There's a lot of pitchers that work pretty quickly, but have to stand on the hill waiting for the batter to stop into the box.


Not looking it up on mobile, but isn't the rule that the batter can only step out during a time out or after a foul ball? Just cut that, Ryan Braun, and it would be a significant time savings.
 
2014-08-22 09:28:37 AM  
It needs a can't adjust your gloves after every pitch rule.
 
2014-08-22 09:33:29 AM  

satanorsanta: KingKauff: Here's also another novel idea: call more strikes. The strike zone is from the arm pits (area) to the knees, not the belly button to the knees.

Offense is already down and there are more strikeouts than ever before (or at least more than recently)


That's because it took forever for the Braves to release Uggla and insist on playing BJ Upton every night
 
2014-08-22 09:33:55 AM  

meanmutton: Hoopy Frood: If they limited commercial breaks to two minutes between half-innings and for pitching changes, they'd cut more than half an hour off the game time.

Expecting them to give up tens of millions of dollars is a bit unreasonable.

Just speed up the pitchers and batters, you're fine.


Making the games faster also gives up millions if not billions of dollars.
 
2014-08-22 09:43:32 AM  
What would happen if foul balls hit after strike two, were also counted as strikes?

I hate watching them get to a full count and then spend several more minutes tipping foul balls everywhere.
 
2014-08-22 09:44:03 AM  

KingKauff: Here's also another novel idea: call more strikes. The strike zone is from the arm pits (area) to the knees, not the belly button to the knees.


Yep. Call the zone. But that's only going to happen if they get rid of the whole set of umps currently calling the games. Gotta start fresh to get things done right.
 
2014-08-22 09:50:28 AM  
No. Next question.
 
2014-08-22 09:51:42 AM  

foo monkey: meanmutton: Hoopy Frood: If they limited commercial breaks to two minutes between half-innings and for pitching changes, they'd cut more than half an hour off the game time.

Expecting them to give up tens of millions of dollars is a bit unreasonable.

Just speed up the pitchers and batters, you're fine.

Making the games faster also gives up millions if not billions of dollars.


If you speed up the pace of the game, you're still going to have the same amount of commercial breaks. (which are now longer, thanks to Bud Selig).
 
2014-08-22 09:56:00 AM  
A batter should be awarded a strike for every piece of velcro they adjust during an at-bat.
 
2014-08-22 09:57:05 AM  

feanorn: KingKauff: Here's also another novel idea: call more strikes. The strike zone is from the arm pits (area) to the knees, not the belly button to the knees.

Yep. Call the zone. But that's only going to happen if they get rid of the whole set of umps currently calling the games. Gotta start fresh to get things done right.


Let the computers do it and have the ump simply report what the result is.
 
2014-08-22 10:33:14 AM  

czetie: ChrisDe: kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?

There's the problem, right there. There's a lot of pitchers that work pretty quickly, but have to stand on the hill waiting for the batter to stop into the box.

A lot of people don't realize that the batter (or the manager, for that matter) can't call a time out. They can request one, but its at the discretion of the umpire to call one. I'd like to see a batter call for a TO mid-bat and the umpire just say "no". Wrist straps not quite as tight as you'd like them, even though you didn't even swing at the last pitch? Tough.

I'd also pay good money to see a pitcher zip a fast ball past Denard Span while he's doing that stupid bat twirling thing he does between every goddamn pitch.


When I was at a Nats game a week or two ago some people in my section were betting each pitch how many times Span was going to twirl the bat. It's ridiculous.

I'd love to see a fastball down the plate while in mid-twirl. Sad that the likely result is the pitcher gets a warning or ejected. One wonders, if such a thing happened and the pitcher points out the actual rule that MANDATES THEY PITCH and makes a big public thing about it, would MLB just eliminate the rule.
 
2014-08-22 11:07:27 AM  
Just do what I do - lifelong baseball fanatic but I pretty much went cold turkey at 40. Now the whole batter's box/pitcher's mound "who's the biggest narcissist?" mime show doesn't bother me at all.
 
2014-08-22 11:11:40 AM  
I enjoy the current pace of the game.
There is nothing that needs to be done to speed it up.
 
2014-08-22 11:18:12 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: To save a crap load of time, simply ban batting gloves.  Let 'em man up and touch the actual wood.



THE TAO OF MARK GRACE
 
2014-08-22 11:29:02 AM  

Uncle Pooky: No. Next question.


Do androids dream?
 
2014-08-22 11:32:02 AM  

Frederick: If only there were a rule or something -oh, wait:

The actual rule 8.04, seldom enforced, holds that "When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call "Ball."

Anyone who knows anything about baseball knows it's not the pitcher that is delaying the game.  It's the superstitious batters.  Address the issue at the plate -not the mound.


While this has truth, the issue is definitely more pitching than batting.  It's been talked about around here since the commissioner vote came up, so people around here (including me) have been timing pitchers.  They were averaging about 18 seconds after they get the ball back and I think only one pitcher I timed even beat 14 seconds - once.

The batter really only became a problem when the pitcher held on too long - when he hits 20+ seconds, occasionally the batter calls for time and steps out  (famously David Ortiz does this).
I know batters can be bad - we had 10 years of Nomar for christ's sakes.  But we also had Matsuzaka, and I'd take 20 pitches of Nomar's batting glove adjustments over the guy looking baffled at his catcher's signals and then executing poorly and just walking guys for 100+ pitches.
 
2014-08-22 11:44:26 AM  
Grant Balfour (Devil Rays - former of the Oakland A's) has/had the WORST, literally the WORST on mound antics.

Even as an A's fan, I hated it...dude, stop with the crap and just pitch.  Was glad when they traded him....was not glad when it was Jim Johnson in return.  :-(
 
2014-08-22 11:49:48 AM  

G. Tarrant: czetie: ChrisDe: kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?

There's the problem, right there. There's a lot of pitchers that work pretty quickly, but have to stand on the hill waiting for the batter to stop into the box.

A lot of people don't realize that the batter (or the manager, for that matter) can't call a time out. They can request one, but its at the discretion of the umpire to call one. I'd like to see a batter call for a TO mid-bat and the umpire just say "no". Wrist straps not quite as tight as you'd like them, even though you didn't even swing at the last pitch? Tough.

I'd also pay good money to see a pitcher zip a fast ball past Denard Span while he's doing that stupid bat twirling thing he does between every goddamn pitch.

When I was at a Nats game a week or two ago some people in my section were betting each pitch how many times Span was going to twirl the bat. It's ridiculous.

I'd love to see a fastball down the plate while in mid-twirl. Sad that the likely result is the pitcher gets a warning or ejected. One wonders, if such a thing happened and the pitcher points out the actual rule that MANDATES THEY PITCH and makes a big public thing about it, would MLB just eliminate the rule.


not familiar with Span's particular antics, but are both feet in the box?   Is he calling for time from the ump while spinning said bat?   If the responses are yes and no, respectively, then yes, zip away.
 
2014-08-22 11:55:55 AM  
Pitch clock for all plate appearances without men on base.

The rule is 12 seconds, set the clock at 12 seconds.

If a man is on base, proceed as it does now for pick off purposes.

Batters simply aren't allowed to step out unless they foul a ball off themselves or something.

Injury timeouts up to the discretion of the umpire.....meaning if the catcher gets clipped or something.
 
2014-08-22 12:05:53 PM  
You'd think after Moyer retired the average game time would quickened.
 
2014-08-22 12:08:05 PM  

WhyKnot: not familiar with Span's particular antics, but are both feet in the box? Is he calling for time from the ump while spinning said bat? If the responses are yes and no, respectively, then yes, zip away.


I believe the answers are indeed Yes and No. And to compound it he prefaces it with that Derek Jeeter "bat pointing down in one hand, other hand palm up at the umpire, let me get my balance" thing, too. And after he's done digging in, balancing out, and winding up... he has one home run this season. One. That's one more than I have, and I don't even play baseball.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can actually count on the umps to call the game according to the rules. As Tarrant suggested, I expect that would result in a warning/ejection for the pitcher.

(and as I mentioned earlier, just because he's calling for time doesn't mean the umpire has to grant it).
 
2014-08-22 12:18:35 PM  

kronicfeld: Nice in theory, but how do you realistically and consistently account for the batters taking forever to get set, leaving the box and tightening their gloves after every swing, calling for time, etc.?


Don't give them time. Umpires already have the power to do this.
 
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