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2014-08-22 06:39:23 AM  
90 years early?

I'd treat that the same way I'd treat an unexpected million dollars showing up in my bank account:  Immediately converting all my assets to cash and catching the next flight out of the country.
 
2014-08-22 07:28:49 AM  
98 year sentence and he didn't even kill anyone?  WTF??
 
2014-08-22 07:34:30 AM  
98 years is bullsh*t, and taking him from his family when he'd changed and moved forward is more of a crime than what he did.
 
2014-08-22 07:38:39 AM  

Ambivalence: 98 year sentence and he didn't even kill anyone?  WTF??


What are you, soft on crime?
 
2014-08-22 07:43:37 AM  
So, he reformed his life.  Isn't that what the prison system is supposed to be doing?

Oh, wait, I forgot.  It's about serving a primal need for punishment while reaping a profit off the state.
 
2014-08-22 07:57:06 AM  
What colour is he?  That's extremely important in determining whether or not the original sentence and the reincarceration were appropriate.
 
2014-08-22 08:03:57 AM  
I presume that if he'd had drugs involved it would have been life without parole, thus side stepping the issue of being paroled early.

That being said, if the parole board didn't catch the mistake, then he is really getting screwed over.
 
2014-08-22 08:13:50 AM  
You know what? Fark that guy. Let him rot in jail
 
2014-08-22 08:16:10 AM  

dookdookdook: 90 years early?

I'd treat that the same way I'd treat an unexpected million dollars showing up in my bank account:  Immediately converting all my assets to cash and catching the next flight out of the country.


This
 
2014-08-22 08:23:26 AM  
Ok so they made a mistake when they let him out early. He obeyed the rules, finished his parole, and got on with his life. He stayed out of trouble and became a productive member of society. I'm inclined to let him go. Punishing him all over again like this seems whimsical. If they'd caught their mistake early on sure put him back but it's been years! He finished parole and they didn't notice their mistake. Now he has a job, a son, a life and they yank him off the street and throw him back in jail. Fark that and fark them.

/no take backs
 
2014-08-22 08:24:28 AM  
Seriously, THEY decided to let him go. He didn't escape. He was paroled. Now they want to change their mind? Fark that.
 
2014-08-22 08:25:23 AM  
He didn't kill anyone. 98 years is excessive.

Put him on lifetime parole. Say you fark up a little, you go back for life.  And let him go live his apparently reformed life.
 
2014-08-22 08:27:53 AM  
Look it's clear that this is an incredibly rare situation of the prison system working so we couldn't allow it to stand.
 
2014-08-22 08:28:49 AM  

Radak: What colour is he?  That's extremely important in determining whether or not the original sentence and the reincarceration were appropriate.


African American. I read this article from another site and it showed. His picture. I think the whole thing is sad all the way around.
 
2014-08-22 08:29:21 AM  
Was he a prior offender? If not 98 years seems excessive
 
2014-08-22 08:29:39 AM  
The question is, did the judge sign the final paperwork as is? If so, it is his order and it should stand that he is free after serving his time. Clerical mistakes happen and there were multiple checks in place. He jumped through all the hoops and it is time to let him go. It is a two edged sword, which sucks, and I would say the same if the guy hadn't turned things around
 
2014-08-22 08:30:48 AM  
98 years for what amounts to two (armed) muggings? That's bullshiat straight off the top. He's been doing fine. Let him the hell go home.
 
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2014-08-22 08:31:07 AM  
I don't think the judge was really free to do anything else, he can't change the law on a whim.  He would need to petition the governor of Colorado for clemency.
 
2014-08-22 08:33:16 AM  
He should not be sent back to prison.   why??   because our Freedumb Fighters in the Nation's Prison system and their punk judges can't bring back from the dead the ones they mistakenly executed when DNA/other evidence exonorated them.

wait, i forgot.  the U.S. Prison system doesn't make mistakes.  my bad.

98 years??  hell, you don't get that for killing folks.  but then again, Private Property has more value than human life in a Crony capitalist system.
 
2014-08-22 08:34:25 AM  
And they will be shocked, shocked I say when his kid becomes delinquent and a criminal himself. If my dad was unfairly taken to jail for the rest of his life, I sure would be pissed at "the system".
 
2014-08-22 08:34:52 AM  
Is this the thread where leftists and libertarians form an unholy alliance? Is this the thread where the actual guilt of the criminal is somehow avoided as a point of discussion?

There's no outrage quite like the outrage of a free-love dope-smoking cop-killer.
 
2014-08-22 08:35:18 AM  

Radak: What colour is he?  That's extremely important in determining whether or not the original sentence and the reincarceration were appropriate.


I read that as reincarnation. Make of that what you will, I'm too tired to be witty.

/"gee brimed03, you must be tired all the time then"
 
2014-08-22 08:35:22 AM  

dookdookdook: 90 years early?

I'd treat that the same way I'd treat an unexpected million dollars showing up in my bank account:  Immediately converting all my assets to cash and catching the next flight out of the country.


imokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-08-22 08:35:29 AM  

nunyadang: Was he a prior offender? If not 98 years seems excessive



it's not excessive in the Greatest coontry on Earth.   notice how few/none of our wall street banker crooks have ever seen the inside of a Prison.

the only reason Madoff went to prison is because he stole from the wealthy.
 
2014-08-22 08:37:00 AM  
Telling the guy he's free to go and try to rebuild his life, allowing him to do so for several years, successfully...  and then dragging the poor bastard back into prison?

It may not have been their intention, but I think that should probably cross over the line into cruel and unusual punishment.  You could break someone's mind for good with that crap.
 
2014-08-22 08:37:04 AM  

MindStalker: And they will be shocked, shocked I say when his kid becomes delinquent and a criminal himself. If my dad was unfairly taken to jail for the rest of his life, I sure would be pissed at "the system".



you should be pissed at the system anyway.   especially with all the corporate criminals who never spend one day in prison.
 
2014-08-22 08:38:42 AM  

Ambivalence: 98 year sentence and he didn't even kill anyone?  WTF??



ain't Freedumb great!
 
2014-08-22 08:42:23 AM  
He did rob a video store.  Probably the reason they all closed up.  Now, thanks to him, I can't watch "The Hills have Eye VI" without an internet connection.
 
2014-08-22 08:44:19 AM  
The U.S. judicial system isn't about rehabilitation or reformation, it's all about punitive and brutal punishment. So what else is new?
 
2014-08-22 08:46:02 AM  
Whichever clerk screwed up his paperwork should have to serve the rest of this guy's sentence with him. Maybe then the other clerks would pay attention to their jobs.
 
2014-08-22 08:48:59 AM  
Didn't kill anyone and gets 98 years.
The affluenza teen killed 4 people and gets no jail time.
 
2014-08-22 08:50:33 AM  

Walker: Didn't kill anyone and gets 98 years.
The affluenza teen killed 4 people and gets no jail time.


Dude it's not all black and white.

Oh wait, yes. Yes it is.
 
2014-08-22 08:51:15 AM  

nunyadang: Was he a prior offender? If not 98 years seems excessive


Even if he was a prior offender, it's excessive for two armed robberies.
 
2014-08-22 08:52:33 AM  

Walker: Didn't kill anyone and gets 98 years.
The affluenza teen killed 4 people and gets no jail time.


$ome people are more equal than others.
 
2014-08-22 08:53:07 AM  
Couldn't he just be forced to finish his sentence by serving as the butler of the guy he robbed?
 
2014-08-22 08:54:12 AM  
Yeah, fark this, I'd say he very well learned his lesson. Now You wanna wreck the life he built after HE WAS LET GO?. Hell to the no.
 
2014-08-22 08:57:07 AM  
Well, armed robbery is no joke, nor is kidnapping.  I can see the 98 years depending on the circumstances, and his attitude at the time.  Making them consecutive, with no chance for parole, that's just crazy.
 
2014-08-22 08:57:16 AM  

H31N0US: Walker: Didn't kill anyone and gets 98 years.
The affluenza teen killed 4 people and gets no jail time.

Dude it's not all black and white.

Oh wait, yes. Yes it is.


Or it could be rich vs poor.
 
2014-08-22 08:58:17 AM  

Wasteland: Telling the guy he's free to go and try to rebuild his life, allowing him to do so for several years, successfully...  and then dragging the poor bastard back into prison?

It may not have been their intention, but I think that should probably cross over the line into cruel and unusual punishment.  You could break someone's mind for good with that crap.


If it doesnt the legal system is even more broken than excessive sentances.
 
2014-08-22 08:58:50 AM  
What is the point of incarceration, rehabilitation or punishment?
 
2014-08-22 08:59:10 AM  

Radak: What colour is he?  That's extremely important in determining whether or not the original sentence and the reincarceration were appropriate.


Obviously he's black. If he was white, he'd have got probation.
 
2014-08-22 08:59:38 AM  

JoieD'Zen: 98 years is bullsh*t, and taking him from his family when he'd changed and moved forward is more of a crime than what he did.


And here we have the root of the problem.

He shouldn't have gotten 98 years in the first place.  That shouldn't even be possible.

Norway has the right idea, the maximum possible sentence is 21 years, there is no crime that allows anything longer than that.  They can keep you after it ends if they can prove you're still dangerous, but that has to be on a 1 year at a time court order.

Spain does the same thing, but they allow up to 40 years.

We need that in this country.  I think Norway's 21 years might be a bit short, so I'd suggest 25 years as the absolute maximum.  And of course like all of Europe, we need to permanently end murder by the state.
 
2014-08-22 08:59:44 AM  

starsrift: nunyadang: Was he a prior offender? If not 98 years seems excessive

Even if he was a prior offender, it's excessive for two armed robberies.


Kidnapping as well. That was probably the main issue. But yes, 98 years seems excessive. It also seems weird that even with a concurrent sentence he'd be eligible for parole in just 8.

But given that he'd reformed himself (American prisons don't get the credit), it's a shame they didn't let him be.
 
2014-08-22 09:00:11 AM  
It would be nice to see exactly what took place in the robberies and kidnapping. Did he beat the people or person that he kidnapped? Were there some circumstances that warranted the 98 year sentence? On the surface it seems excessive, but without knowing the particulars, we're all just having an emotional response to the guy getting sent back to prison.
Sure, it seemed the dude turned his life around. I'm sure a few of the Nazis that escaped capture became productive members of society at some point.

I Godwin'd the thread!
 
2014-08-22 09:00:55 AM  
The courts set him free. They should have to stand by their decision.

/tried signing a petition to set him free but the site wasn't recognizing my log-in
//tried to reset my password but that's not working either
///freedom slashies!
 
2014-08-22 09:02:22 AM  
If they say you need to be in prison for X years and they mistakenly let you out after < X years you farking HIDE.
 
2014-08-22 09:02:39 AM  
The governor should have seen this in the news and issued an immediate pardon.  It's his job to fix shiat like this when it happens.

And he shouldn't give us any shiat about letting the legal process run its course.  The power to immediately fix shiat like this with a pardon is part of the legal process, and not using it means he's not doing his job.
 
2014-08-22 09:03:34 AM  
I say let him go for several reasons:

1) 98 years for robbery armed or not is excessive no matter how it is done. A sentence of 10-15 maybe would be fine.

2) In his case prison worked exactly as it should. He considered himself lucky, went the straight and narrow and became productive. This is how it SHOULD work.

3) THEY made the error. They wait 6 years before they catch it and now they think he deserves more punishment? Wrong. They should shake this guys hand, apologize for inconveniencing him and leave him alone.

4) Would putting him back in jail after a release kinda be a bit of a Double Jeopardy type situation? He is being sort of being sentenced twice for the same crime..
 
2014-08-22 09:04:47 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: It would be nice to see exactly what took place in the robberies and kidnapping. Did he beat the people or person that he kidnapped? Were there some circumstances that warranted the 98 year sentence? On the surface it seems excessive, but without knowing the particulars, we're all just having an emotional response to the guy getting sent back to prison.
Sure, it seemed the dude turned his life around. I'm sure a few of the Nazis that escaped capture became productive members of society at some point.

I Godwin'd the thread!


Did he even 'kidnap' someone?  Or was this 'get in the back room and open the damn safe'=a free extra charge for the prosecutor?  Either way, he got off light with the time he served, but if he seriously turned his life around after, well, it's their own damn fault for letting a reformed criminal out in the world to *gasp* be reformed.
 
2014-08-22 09:04:54 AM  

brimed03: starsrift: nunyadang: Was he a prior offender? If not 98 years seems excessive

Even if he was a prior offender, it's excessive for two armed robberies.

Kidnapping as well. That was probably the main issue. But yes, 98 years seems excessive. It also seems weird that even with a concurrent sentence he'd be eligible for parole in just 8.

But given that he'd reformed himself (American prisons don't get the credit), it's a shame they didn't let him be.


From what I can tell from following TFA's links, the "kidnapping" was holding customers and the clerks of the stores hostage, though I can't seem to find an extremely detailed recollection of it. The total he and his friend took was $10k, and supposedly this was the minimum sentence. And the prosecutor is a smug asshole, though I understand you'd have to have a certain lack of empathy for the accused to be a prosecutor in the first place.
 
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