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(Entertainment Weekly)   Some people are upset over the cover to Marvel's new comic, Spider-Woman's Ass #1. I wonder why?   (popwatch.ew.com) divider line 196
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2014-08-22 01:39:00 AM
Yeah I get it. Her neck couldn't possibly bend that far. And it's the cover
 
2014-08-22 02:02:45 AM
That's bodypaint. Spandex would not hug her ass like that without a proper seam between her buttocks.
 
2014-08-22 02:11:43 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-22 04:11:02 AM
Oh grow up. It's just a comic book cover. They work with the lowest bidder, and that means sometimes the art is in fact laughably bad.
 
2014-08-22 05:36:25 AM
What, 4 posts in and no one is screaming "REPORTED" yet? For shame.
 
2014-08-22 06:35:48 AM

gopher321: What, 4 posts in and no one is screaming "REPORTED" yet? For shame.


Headline contains the words "woman" and "ass". REPORTED.
 
2014-08-22 06:44:14 AM
Is this even pushing the boundaries for comic book pseudoporn?  I must really be misremembering that short time of my life between the time I hit puberty and the time I discovered the internet (and immediately lost all interest in comics (well except for the pony comics (and even then really only if they're by Price and Cook))).
 
2014-08-22 08:02:26 AM
Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.
 
2014-08-22 08:22:07 AM
When I was 16 and big into collecting comics, I would have jerked myself silly to that.

Hmm...

BRB
 
2014-08-22 08:23:23 AM

doglover: They work with the lowest bidder,



The cover is by Milo Manara.
He has been drawing explicitly adult art for decades.

I doubt he was eother the low bidder and that the people who hired him were ignorant of his history.
 
2014-08-22 08:24:09 AM
At the risk of being, I dunno, whatever happens to people like me now, it is a nice ass. Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men. So they show off good looking women. Sex sells, it always has. I guess if you don't like it you could always not buy it, and biatch about it on the interne....oh. yeah.
 
2014-08-22 08:27:05 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.


That would be funny if Greg Land weren't the interior artist for the book...

Seriously though, as someone who is attracted to women, I've never found these contorted bullshiat comic poses sexy. "Showing sexually-related parts of body in great detail" != "sexy".

You know what's sexy? Phil Noto's Black Widow. It's in her expressions and movement. The tentacle-haired alien chick in the most recent Captain Marvel arc. Storm, almost 98% of the time she's freakin' drawn, because she's a goddamn queen and will brook none of your bullshiat.

The problem isn't drawing women sexy, it's the male gaze's reduction of "sexy woman" to "perfectly spherical tits and ass" and nothing else.
 
2014-08-22 08:30:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.


Guess who the interior artist is...
 
2014-08-22 08:34:58 AM
Is it me, or is that ass crack really, really wide? Like, she could a sword in that crack.

Wonder when they're going to draw the individual balls on various male hero's tights.
 
2014-08-22 08:35:12 AM
Silly comic art is silly.

The more interesting question is WHY she's in that position? Was she doing a photoshoot? Waiting for Spidey to swing up from behind and unfunfunfunf? We may never know.

The regular cover is silly too. Why is Ms Spider Ninja doing the big arms thing? She looks terribly uncomfortable. Also what happened to Spiderwoman's right leg? It's just a stump!
 
2014-08-22 08:35:52 AM

RainbeauxSue: FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.

That would be funny if Greg Land weren't the interior artist for the book...

Seriously though, as someone who is attracted to women, I've never found these contorted bullshiat comic poses sexy. "Showing sexually-related parts of body in great detail" != "sexy".

You know what's sexy? Phil Noto's Black Widow. It's in her expressions and movement. The tentacle-haired alien chick in the most recent Captain Marvel arc. Storm, almost 98% of the time she's freakin' drawn, because she's a goddamn queen and will brook none of your bullshiat.

The problem isn't drawing women sexy, it's the male gaze's reduction of "sexy woman" to "perfectly spherical tits and ass" and nothing else.


No. You don't get to tell us what is sexy to us.  Just like we don't get to tell you that abnormally muscled men are sexy to women.  The fact that I happen to agree with you is beside the point.
 
2014-08-22 08:35:55 AM

Cubicle Jockey: doglover: They work with the lowest bidder,


The cover is by Milo Manara.
He has been drawing explicitly adult art for decades.

I doubt he was eother the low bidder and that the people who hired him were ignorant of his history.


shiat, I didn't even notice his signature.  does he have Parkinson's now or something?
 
2014-08-22 08:37:33 AM
Based on the artist and the position she is in, I am pretty sure he traced over some pornographic shot of a sex position.


Which is actually a disturbingly common thing in comic books.
 
2014-08-22 08:39:54 AM

asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?


Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.


http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.
 
2014-08-22 08:44:01 AM

Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.


"Self-identified comic book fans"

That means the chick who saw Guardians of the Galaxy and liked Groot.

No way in hell 46% of people who actually buy comic books are women, and definitely no way there are 24 million comic book fans in the US, when titles barely sell over 100,000 copies.

Of course, then I saw that this info was compiled using facebook, which means I had to type nothing except "dude, it's facebook bullshiat".
 
2014-08-22 08:45:42 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.

"Self-identified comic book fans"

That means the chick who saw Guardians of the Galaxy and liked Groot.

No way in hell 46% of people who actually buy comic books are women, and definitely no way there are 24 million comic book fans in the US, when titles barely sell over 100,000 copies.

Of course, then I saw that this info was compiled using facebook, which means I had to type nothing except "dude, it's facebook bullshiat".


You including graphic novels in that?
 
2014-08-22 08:45:48 AM
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-08-22 08:46:02 AM
I'll hold out for the street view variant.
 
2014-08-22 08:47:15 AM
It's frippin' Milo Manara. He does erotic comics. He was hugely popular with Heavy Metal years ago, and he's never wanted for work, thanks to his talent for drawing and watercolors of pretty girls. Pretty much, inviting him to do Spider Woman was an invitation to putting her in a sexual pose and running with it.

That was the decision of the editors, and if you want to complain, put it on them for hiring a guy whose work is pretty much porn, but Milo is just doing what he normally does. As for Spider Woman, she's pretty much a cheesecake bit of fan service that folks have tried hard to defend over the years, and NOW they're upset?
 
2014-08-22 08:48:26 AM

Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


Incorrect. It's slippery slope. I didn't state that the chador was the only option (or something), but instead implied that any covering up should lead to her wearing a robe.

asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.


Your link does not disprove my premise that comics are designed to sell to young (and old) men. The existence of another market does not invalidate the argument.
 
2014-08-22 08:48:46 AM

Lackofname: FirstNationalBastard: Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.

"Self-identified comic book fans"

That means the chick who saw Guardians of the Galaxy and liked Groot.

No way in hell 46% of people who actually buy comic books are women, and definitely no way there are 24 million comic book fans in the US, when titles barely sell over 100,000 copies.

Of course, then I saw that this info was compiled using facebook, which means I had to type nothing except "dude, it's facebook bullshiat".

You including graphic novels in that?


No, I'm only counting the monthlies, which are what count when deciding whether to cancel a book or not.

Though digital might be having an impact, since IIRC Ms. Marvel may be selling more copies in digital than print.
 
2014-08-22 08:53:00 AM
They should have got Frank Cho instead.
 
2014-08-22 08:53:58 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Lackofname: FirstNationalBastard: Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.

"Self-identified comic book fans"

That means the chick who saw Guardians of the Galaxy and liked Groot.

No way in hell 46% of people who actually buy comic books are women, and definitely no way there are 24 million comic book fans in the US, when titles barely sell over 100,000 copies.

Of course, then I saw that this info was compiled using facebook, which means I had to type nothing except "dude, it's facebook bullshiat".

You including graphic novels in that?

No, I'm only counting the monthlies, which are what count when deciding whether to cancel a book or not.

Though digital might be having an impact, since IIRC Ms. Marvel may be selling more copies in digital than print.


Well, the article said that the 24 million were fans of "comic books, graphic novels, and manga". So no, that 24 million don't have to be buying monthlies. I think a huge chunk of that though is going to be Manga readers. I mean Anime cons have a huge female population.
 
2014-08-22 08:54:10 AM

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: They should have got Frank Cho instead.


Meh.

Until Cho finishes Liberty Meadows, I want to see nothing from him.
 
2014-08-22 08:55:06 AM
He attended the Rob Liefeld School of Female Anatomy Design and Drawing:

www.dubnerdesign.com
 
2014-08-22 08:57:27 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Cubicle Jockey: asquian: Should she be web crawling in a chador or something?

Fallacy: False Dichotomy


asquian: Comics are designed to sell to young(and old) men.

http://comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/

The industry is attempting to expand their already substantial female base.
Yet here we had a launch of a new title featuring a woman protagonist where they hired a famous erotic artist to create a cover that displays said protagonist "displaying like a mandril".

It's silly enough for fark.com.

"Self-identified comic book fans"

That means the chick who saw Guardians of the Galaxy and liked Groot.

No way in hell 46% of people who actually buy comic books are women, and definitely no way there are 24 million comic book fans in the US, when titles barely sell over 100,000 copies.

Of course, then I saw that this info was compiled using facebook, which means I had to type nothing except "dude, it's facebook bullshiat".


I remember a reading that most women buy most of their comics digitally, so I aint sure if those are factored in when they mention a comic sells 100,000 copies.
 
2014-08-22 08:57:36 AM

PizzaJedi81: He attended the Rob Liefeld School of Female Anatomy Design and Drawing:

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 649x1007]


oblig: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-d r awings
oblig followup: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst - rob-liefeld-drawings
 
2014-08-22 08:57:57 AM
they call it bum-art.
because it was drawn by a bum.

just kidding,

 hubiestubert:said it best.
 
2014-08-22 08:58:46 AM

Lackofname: Well, the article said that the 24 million were fans of "comic books, graphic novels, and manga". So no, that 24 million don't have to be buying monthlies. I think a huge chunk of that though is going to be Manga readers. I mean Anime cons have a huge female population.


Ah, using manga to artificially skew the numbers. That explains it. Then the numbers may be accurate, if you include people who wouldn't ever touch a traditional American comic book.
 
2014-08-22 08:59:49 AM
Not Manara's best work. Not a great cover. The crawl-across-the-floor-and-give-me-a-beej position doesn't help, but it's not all that offensive.
 
2014-08-22 09:00:31 AM

Lackofname: Is it me, or is that ass crack really, really wide? Like, she could a sword in that crack.

Wonder when they're going to draw the individual balls on various male hero's tights.


theroyalcorrespondent.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-22 09:00:34 AM
I'm more bothered by the fact that her head appears to be floating independently from her body than I am by the giant ass shot.
 
2014-08-22 09:01:48 AM

asquian: Your link does not disprove my premise that comics are designed to sell to young (and old) men.


Wasn't intending to.
I was simply pointing out that you have an industry that is trying to broaden it's market base, and they fell back into their old habits in spectacular fashion.


It's like McDonald's announcing they are going to try and attract some of the Vegan market, succeeding in a small amount, and then they go and hire Paula Deen as their new spokesperson.
 
2014-08-22 09:03:10 AM
Controversy attracts attention and sex sells. For the most part "ugly" people (whatever a particular society currently deems ugly, skinny as well as tan used to be considered ugly in the US) are not the face nor the stars of the entertainment industry. The company wants to make the most money it possibly can so it likes attention and free advertising. If you don't like it, don't buy the comic book. If they don't make money they won't do it again. If I was a betting man I would bet that this issue will sell well.
 
2014-08-22 09:03:26 AM

asquian: PizzaJedi81: He attended the Rob Liefeld School of Female Anatomy Design and Drawing:

[www.dubnerdesign.com image 649x1007]

oblig: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-d r awings
oblig followup: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst - rob-liefeld-drawings



Should not a list of the "worst Rob Liefeld drawings" simply be a list of every drawing created by Mr. Liefeld?
 
2014-08-22 09:03:58 AM
Oh, what a tangled web we weave....
 
2014-08-22 09:04:46 AM

RainbeauxSue: FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.

That would be funny if Greg Land weren't the interior artist for the book...

Seriously though, as someone who is attracted to women, I've never found these contorted bullshiat comic poses sexy. "Showing sexually-related parts of body in great detail" != "sexy".

You know what's sexy? Phil Noto's Black Widow. It's in her expressions and movement. The tentacle-haired alien chick in the most recent Captain Marvel arc. Storm, almost 98% of the time she's freakin' drawn, because she's a goddamn queen and will brook none of your bullshiat.

The problem isn't drawing women sexy, it's the male gaze's reduction of "sexy woman" to "perfectly spherical tits and ass" and nothing else.


You do realize that Spiderman spends 99% of his time contorted, it is part of the whole spider shtick.  How would spider woman be any different?  He spends more time contorting than a twink glazed on on amyl nitrite poppers spending a friday night in a sling bar in the Castro.

media.comicbookmovie.com

global3.memecdn.com

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-08-22 09:07:01 AM

Egoy3k: RainbeauxSue: FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.

That would be funny if Greg Land weren't the interior artist for the book...

Seriously though, as someone who is attracted to women, I've never found these contorted bullshiat comic poses sexy. "Showing sexually-related parts of body in great detail" != "sexy".

You know what's sexy? Phil Noto's Black Widow. It's in her expressions and movement. The tentacle-haired alien chick in the most recent Captain Marvel arc. Storm, almost 98% of the time she's freakin' drawn, because she's a goddamn queen and will brook none of your bullshiat.

The problem isn't drawing women sexy, it's the male gaze's reduction of "sexy woman" to "perfectly spherical tits and ass" and nothing else.

No. You don't get to tell us what is sexy to us.  Just like we don't get to tell you that abnormally muscled men are sexy to women.  The fact that I happen to agree with you is beside the point.


Wow that was bad wording. Sorry.  I mean to say.

No. You don't get to tell us what is sexy to us.  Just like we don't get to tell women that abnormally muscled men are sexy to them.  The fact that I happen to agree with you is beside the point.

I wasn't trying to imply that you were into dudes. Only that you don't get to dictate what others find sexy.
 
2014-08-22 09:07:37 AM

gopher321: What, 4 posts in and no one is screaming "REPORTED" yet? For shame.


I have literally no idea what can be posted on Fark anymore. How is this NOT against the new rules?

What. The. Fu*k.
 
2014-08-22 09:09:17 AM
Remember that successful comic series with the fat heroine dressed in a frumpy Amish dress?
 
2014-08-22 09:11:19 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Remember that successful comic series with the fat heroine dressed in a frumpy Amish dress?


Yeah.

goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
 
2014-08-22 09:13:12 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HotWingConspiracy: Remember that successful comic series with the fat heroine dressed in a frumpy Amish dress?

Yeah.

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 400x606]


Look at those saucy hot pants Batman is wearing!
 
2014-08-22 09:13:17 AM

theflatline: RainbeauxSue: FirstNationalBastard: Could have been worse... could have been drawn by Greg Land in his inimitable, one-handed, porn tracing style.

That would be funny if Greg Land weren't the interior artist for the book...

Seriously though, as someone who is attracted to women, I've never found these contorted bullshiat comic poses sexy. "Showing sexually-related parts of body in great detail" != "sexy".

You know what's sexy? Phil Noto's Black Widow. It's in her expressions and movement. The tentacle-haired alien chick in the most recent Captain Marvel arc. Storm, almost 98% of the time she's freakin' drawn, because she's a goddamn queen and will brook none of your bullshiat.

The problem isn't drawing women sexy, it's the male gaze's reduction of "sexy woman" to "perfectly spherical tits and ass" and nothing else.

You do realize that Spiderman spends 99% of his time contorted, it is part of the whole spider shtick.  How would spider woman be any different?  He spends more time contorting than a twink glazed on on amyl nitrite poppers spending a friday night in a sling bar in the Castro.

[media.comicbookmovie.com image 489x744]

[global3.memecdn.com image 400x318]

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 282x179]


You know that someone will dismiss sexualization of male superheroes as a power fantasy, do you?
Then someone will post that comic with a chibified Batman.
Then someone will dismiss it as fallacy.
Then someone will post the follow-up to that comic with claims that if you don't agree with the first one it's because you're a tight-arsed fat misogynistic nerd.
Then accusations of being shrill harpies/MRAs will fly around.
And so on and so forth for 450 or so posts.

It's happened before and will happen again.
/Well, it's happening at The Guardian ,anyway.
 
2014-08-22 09:13:18 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HotWingConspiracy: Remember that successful comic series with the fat heroine dressed in a frumpy Amish dress?

Yeah.

[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 400x606]


Not sure I'd describe The Wall as a heroine. And I hate that she's become just another slender model type in the new 52.
 
2014-08-22 09:14:30 AM
I'm pretty sure whoever drew that just traced some porn.
 
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