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(Billboard)   Henry Rollins writes new essay entitled "F*CK SUICIDE," manages to criticize and demean Robin Williams and anyone with crippling depression   (billboard.com) divider line 176
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2014-08-21 08:34:52 PM  
Why does anyone even pay attention to him? He doesn't have a sense of humor anymore.
 
2014-08-21 08:53:19 PM  
F*ck Henry Rollins
 
2014-08-21 10:07:34 PM  
Go beg for Glen to take you back, Henry. I can't stand to see you lash out like this. I know you miss him. Shh,shhh, it's okay, Big Guy, let it allll out.
 
2014-08-21 10:17:41 PM  
He's always been better at being loud than at being right. But I won't fault him for speaking his mind.
 
2014-08-21 11:58:39 PM  
There's always going to be some f*ckwit dried-up old half celeb who will say something callous just to communicate to the world that they are still alive.
 
2014-08-22 12:12:15 AM  
Who?
 
2014-08-22 12:16:09 AM  
The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.
 
2014-08-22 12:32:28 AM  

DrBenway: The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.


There are Rollins fans?

/liar
 
2014-08-22 12:51:58 AM  

farkingismybusiness: DrBenway: The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.

There are Rollins fans?

/liar


Okay, maybe I was over-generous. But somebody must be listening to him still, right? And there's got to be a few old Black Flag fans floating around. Personally, I've always been pretty skeptical of anyone whose neck is bigger around than their skull, but that's just me.
 
2014-08-22 12:57:20 AM  

DrBenway: farkingismybusiness: DrBenway: The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.

There are Rollins fans?

/liar

Okay, maybe I was over-generous. But somebody must be listening to him still, right? And there's got to be a few old Black Flag fans floating around. Personally, I've always been pretty skeptical of anyone whose neck is bigger around than their skull, but that's just me.


But he was hilarious in The Chase. Oh wait no... How about his stand up? No, not that either. Well at least he was good in Black Flag. He wasn't?!?!?

/why is he still around?
 
2014-08-22 12:59:14 AM  

farkingismybusiness: DrBenway: The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.

There are Rollins fans?

/liar


He has some decent stuff, and some of his spoken word shows are entertaining.  There's one Comedy Central used to play a lot that I would always stop to watch if I caught it.

I think the point he's trying to make is that no matter how bad it is, a parent's duty is to their children and that it's inherently selfish to succumb to personal desires that will hurt them.  That position isn't outrageous IMO.  I don't know if I fully agree with it, but there's a kernel of truth to the idea that your life isn't just your own, especially when you have kids.

I do disagree with his position that it makes it impossible to take someone who commits suicide seriously.  I also disagree about not feeling bad for them - someone so tortured that they see suicide as the only way out does deserve some sympathy.
 
2014-08-22 01:00:33 AM  

DrBenway: The last couple of threads on this that I was in were relatively jackhole free, though the few who made their presence known were loud and proud, as they typically are. People bared their souls in discussing their experiences (a lot more than I'm used to seeing here), encouragement was offered, and some useful info was exchanged regarding meds, etc. I'm sure though that there will be some actual Rollins fans who will feel compelled to leap to his defense, in addition to those more generic "selfish/coward" jackholes. A pox on all of them, including Rollins.


Great post. Lost a friend to it 8 months ago. Really miss him, especially with that "Impsons" thread earlier.
 
2014-08-22 01:02:47 AM  
He farking sang the song Depression about depression killing him. fark this guy.
 
2014-08-22 02:46:20 AM  
Damnit. I usually like what he has to say but he should know better than to spout this bullshiat.
 
2014-08-22 03:05:09 AM  
Once I was at a Black Flag concert and my friend yelled "Play Freebird!"

Rollins pitched a a hissy fit got all flexy and yelped "We leave all that pussy stuff for bands like CAMPER VON BEETHOVEN ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! I'M A HOT!  I'M AN ANIMAL!  I'M A MACHINE!  He was wearing nothing ballsack reveling nylon 80s workout minishorts.  It was like watching Darby O'Gill AND all the Little People flying into a homosexual panic.

We pissed ourselves larfing.  Punk was often unintentionally hilarious, especially when people took it seriously.
 
2014-08-22 04:22:04 AM  
It's ironic that I've always thought I was a coward for having not yet gone through with it.  I think suicide takes a lot of fortitude.

I still listen to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_In_and_Burn occasionally.
 
2014-08-22 06:24:19 AM  

SquiggsIN: I might live under a rock but, I have no idea who Henry Rollins is and why he is famous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf13MmZIcLs
 
2014-08-22 06:28:26 AM  
Ever seen someone die of cancer? Its not pretty. To say they must allow themselves to go through all that for the sake of someone else? That's hard. Maybe its better to let them go so they don't suffer. Who is the selfish one?
 
2014-08-22 06:30:57 AM  
I don't understand why Hank's getting so much push back on this.   And I'm quite surprised by the number of people who seem to believe that suicide is an acceptable lifestyle alternative.  Yes,  depression is a disease.  No,   suicide isn't the cure.
 
2014-08-22 06:34:36 AM  

Clash City Farker: Ever seen someone die of cancer? Its not pretty. To say they must allow themselves to go through all that for the sake of someone else? That's hard. Maybe its better to let them go so they don't suffer. Who is the selfish one?


I'd heard that when my great grandmother was dying of cancer, a bit over 30 years ago, she asked my uncle to kill her, near the end.  He didn't, of course, but the request shook him.
 
2014-08-22 06:34:59 AM  
He's just pissed off that Gene Simmons was getting more attention than he was.

Hey, Henry.  I don't have kids.  Can I commit suicide?
 
2014-08-22 06:37:09 AM  
I look forward to the FPA (Fark Plath Army) giving us another thread where we're instructed that suicide is to be embraced and respected in every case.

And anyone that suggests someone should step back from that ledge is a selfish asshole that just doesn't understand.

/rollins is a hack, always has been, always will be
 
2014-08-22 06:39:11 AM  
Attacking the actions of a dead guy for press.

Way to be.
 
2014-08-22 06:41:25 AM  
5 Stages of Grieving: Denial - ANGER - Bargaining - Depression - Acceptance

He'll be coming around and apologizing for this rant eventually.

Did he really end the article with "hang in there"?? That was a dick move.
 
2014-08-22 06:41:33 AM  
Henry, you asshole, Clinical Depression is a disease caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. It has zero to with being weak.

Go DIAF in you wasted up miserable example of true human garbage.
 
2014-08-22 06:43:20 AM  

Alphax: Clash City Farker: Ever seen someone die of cancer? Its not pretty. To say they must allow themselves to go through all that for the sake of someone else? That's hard. Maybe its better to let them go so they don't suffer. Who is the selfish one?

I'd heard that when my great grandmother was dying of cancer, a bit over 30 years ago, she asked my uncle to kill her, near the end.  He didn't, of course, but the request shook him.


And he could have gotten in trouble. Of course by then she was too far gone to do it herself. Its a tough case and clearly society is on the side of the person riding it out. Slippery slope really because what it somehow the person pulls through?
 
2014-08-22 06:43:51 AM  
Henry Rollins should kill himself.
 
2014-08-22 06:51:21 AM  

SquiggsIN: I might live under a rock but, I have no idea who Henry Rollins is and why he is famous.


You must live under a pretty big rock, because I was never that into punk - I think he had a punk band in the '80s - and I know who the fark he is.

He's outspoken and unapologetic.  Some people might call him an asshole.  He's been in a few movies and TV shows - He was the bad guy one season of Sons of Anarchy.  He's done a bit of public speaking.

I just read his column which subby should have linked to directly.

I can't really disagree with anything that he said.

I've come to have a certain amount of respect for him even though I really never dug his music.
 
2014-08-22 06:52:57 AM  
 
2014-08-22 06:56:13 AM  

brap: Once I was at a Black Flag concert and my friend yelled "Play Freebird!"

Rollins pitched a a hissy fit got all flexy and yelped "We leave all that pussy stuff for bands like CAMPER VON BEETHOVEN ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! I'M A HOT!  I'M AN ANIMAL!  I'M A MACHINE!  He was wearing nothing ballsack reveling nylon 80s workout minishorts.  It was like watching Darby O'Gill AND all the Little People flying into a homosexual panic.

We pissed ourselves larfing.  Punk was often unintentionally hilarious, especially when people took it seriously.


I love this post!
 
2014-08-22 07:20:35 AM  

GonzoNihilist: I don't understand why Hank's getting so much push back on this.   And I'm quite surprised by the number of people who seem to believe that suicide is an acceptable lifestyle alternative.  Yes,  depression is a disease.  No,   suicide isn't the cure.


No, it isn't. Suicide is a symptom. It is the result of depression, not the escape from it.

A powerful enough episode puts the victim in a state where there is almost no rational thought at all. There is only despair, and the inability to even conceive of hope. Someone who kills himself from depression isn't doing so as a conscious, informed effort to escape it. He's doing so because in that moment it is the only thing in his mind. There are very big differences between "feeling really sad" and "clinical depression." One is feeling sad. The other is your mind screaming at you and blotting out any ability to feel happy or have hope or think clearly. That last part is very important. During an episode, you do not think clearly. It consumes you past rational thought.

Why do you think failed suicide attempts are not immediately and determinedly repeated? Because that moment, when you're in that state, that low, has passed.

Suicide from depression isn't thinking to yourself, "I'm sad, I'm going to kill myself." It's a pain that sucks hope and thought out of your head and leaves you in a state where you cannot make a rational choice and all you can perceive is, for that moment, pain. It's not a selfish escape, it's a farking seizure.
 
2014-08-22 07:21:10 AM  
After reading his column, and not just the bits that the posted article put up, I can't really say he is wrong.  Abrasive? Certainly.  Insensitive?  Perhaps.  Brutality Honest? Always seems to be.  However, I can't see where he is actually wrong.  I'm having trouble seeing why we are suddenly glorifying suicide and deeming it an acceptable lifestyle choice.  It truly boggles the mind, but as he said in his column, you can not actually understand someone else's torment.
 
2014-08-22 07:24:36 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I look forward to the FPA (Fark Plath Army) giving us another thread where we're instructed that suicide is to be embraced and respected in every case.

And anyone that suggests someone should step back from that ledge is a selfish asshole that just doesn't understand.

/rollins is a hack, always has been, always will be


In none of the threads on the subject have I seen anyone saying suicide should be embraced or respected.  All I've seen asked is show some farking empathy for the people who felt so pushed into a corner that it was to their mind the best option.  There's a big difference between offering to help someone down from the ledge and telling them to get over it and quit being selfish.

/rollins is a douche
//you are too
 
2014-08-22 07:36:34 AM  
Rollins writes like the girl with the overactive imagination who edited your high school paper. I have no idea how anyone can plough through enough of his turgid, flowery prose to form an opinion as to whether he is right or wrong about anything.
Nope.
 
mhd
2014-08-22 07:40:13 AM  
Right or wrong doesn't matter to Rollins, as long as it's INTENSE.
 
2014-08-22 07:42:55 AM  
Rollins has always been a shockingly self-unaware machismo addict who trades off of attacking lack of self-awareness and machismo in society.  If you like that about him you won't mind some hypocrisy here and there.
 
2014-08-22 07:45:40 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

"We what?"
 
2014-08-22 07:46:53 AM  
Without suicide I'd have nothing to look forward to, why would Henry Rollins want to take that away from me.
 
2014-08-22 07:48:28 AM  

Camus' Ghost: an acceptable lifestyle choice


Lifestyle choice? Parting your hair down the middle is a lifestyle choice.  Suicide is about being in overwhelming pain and wanting it to end.
 
2014-08-22 07:48:44 AM  
At least it's not misogyny, amirite?
 
2014-08-22 07:49:25 AM  

turboke: At least it's not misogyny, amirite?


REPORTED
 
2014-08-22 07:49:33 AM  

brap: CAMPER VON BEETHOVEN


I just saw them in May!

/bouncer said I was the youngest person at the show
//I saw Rollins Band open for the Beastie Boys on Check Your Head tour.
///Fark that humorless guy who doesn't seem to understand that crippling depression is crippling; no logic can break through it.
 
2014-08-22 07:53:14 AM  
There seem to be a lot of posts here that didn't read Rollins' article or didn't get it. Euthanasia aside, suicide is an unacceptable choice. Which is not to say people don't suffer from the desire. I myself suffer from chronic depression, (as does Rollins, BTW,) but like him I view it, as well as my near weekly bouts of suicidal tendencies (punk joke) as something to be fought against, not entertained.

I have a child, and just like the man said, that is often the thought that stays my hand until I snap out of it: how dare I leave him?

Speaking of old punk assholes and their views on Robin Williams, this was perhaps better said by Brad Warner:http://hardcorezen.info/reality -what-a-concept/2979 For those too stupid or lazy to understand the thesis, let me quote John Donne: "No man is an island, entire of himself, every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main..."

Your suicide is selfish because it does not effect you alone. You don't have the right to make choices that traumatize others.
 
2014-08-22 08:01:22 AM  
As to those who don't believe it's a choice, that its the point that depression wins or we can never know the pain of the suicidal, I'm not buying it. Maybe you lost someone; maybe you're afraid you'll lose yourself, but I can't help but think you believe this because it makes you feel better it some way.

But short of brain damage, we always have a choice, and any suggestion otherwise is a cop out.
 
2014-08-22 08:04:42 AM  
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him.
 
2014-08-22 08:07:57 AM  

Bloody William: GonzoNihilist: I don't understand why Hank's getting so much push back on this.   And I'm quite surprised by the number of people who seem to believe that suicide is an acceptable lifestyle alternative.  Yes,  depression is a disease.  No,   suicide isn't the cure.

No, it isn't. Suicide is a symptom. It is the result of depression, not the escape from it.

A powerful enough episode puts the victim in a state where there is almost no rational thought at all. There is only despair, and the inability to even conceive of hope. Someone who kills himself from depression isn't doing so as a conscious, informed effort to escape it. He's doing so because in that moment it is the only thing in his mind. There are very big differences between "feeling really sad" and "clinical depression." One is feeling sad. The other is your mind screaming at you and blotting out any ability to feel happy or have hope or think clearly. That last part is very important. During an episode, you do not think clearly. It consumes you past rational thought.

Why do you think failed suicide attempts are not immediately and determinedly repeated? Because that moment, when you're in that state, that low, has passed.

Suicide from depression isn't thinking to yourself, "I'm sad, I'm going to kill myself." It's a pain that sucks hope and thought out of your head and leaves you in a state where you cannot make a rational choice and all you can perceive is, for that moment, pain. It's not a selfish escape, it's a farking seizure.


Bloody well said!
 
2014-08-22 08:15:03 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I think the point he's trying to make is that no matter how bad it is, a parent's duty is to their children and that it's inherently selfish to succumb to personal desires that will hurt them. That position isn't outrageous IMO. I don't know if I fully agree with it, but there's a kernel of truth to the idea that your life isn't just your own, especially when you have kids.


In the case of Robin Williams, his youngest kid is 23. His duty to stay around for their benefit had ended. Not to mention, both he and his children are at the age where it wouldn't have been out of the realm of the ordinary for them to have to deal with his death due to natural causes.

Or are parents supposed to never die, ever, because that's selfish?
 
2014-08-22 08:28:01 AM  
I met Henry Rollins in Iraq in 2005...kinda. He stood behind me in line at the chow hall. I vaguely recognized him, but didn't know for sure it was him until I saw a flyer later advertising his USO tour appearance.

/I only really knew him from Johnny Mnemonic.
 
2014-08-22 08:38:15 AM  
I don't know much about Henry Rollins, at all.

He can go fark himself.

However, it may not be expressly unexplainable.  Between the sunken eyes obvious in that picture and his tirade, he may be that old guy who's shifting to extreme asshole due to a catastrophic breakdown in his brain.

It is easy to find disdain for a pure asshole who looks healthy.  For someone with head trauma or issues brought on by age, etc, I can find a tiny bit of allowance. An "Oh, that's why!" sentiment.  Doesn't negate the asshole attitude by any means, but at least it makes sense.

But like I said, I don't know him at all.  Maybe he's always been a raging asshole.
 
2014-08-22 08:49:08 AM  

GonzoNihilist: I don't understand why Hank's getting so much push back on this.   And I'm quite surprised by the number of people who seem to believe that suicide is an acceptable lifestyle alternative.  Yes,  depression is a disease.  No,   suicide isn't the cure.


Given your login, that seems to be a rather preachy, non nihilistic viewpoint.

How's the founder of gonzo doing these days by the way?
 
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