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2014-08-21 01:20:30 PM  

jst3p: HotWingConspiracy: jst3p: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

That still doesn't make them journalists. Press pass or GTFO.

You don't need a press pass to be a journalist.

But you need one to be in the area reserved for media.


Ok, but that's not what you said.
 
2014-08-21 01:20:35 PM  

keypusher: mjohnson71: Gunny Highway: While everyone is sorting out the details of the past (very important stuff), I am wondering how this whole thing ends and what the last changes in the town will be.  At the moment it doesnt seem like there will be much change when this whole thing does settle down and people get back to the normal slog that is life.

Well, hopefully black votership will increase in Ferguson.

Dellwood, which is the suburb just to the north is just as black. However it's a little nicer with fewer apartment residents so they vote more. Dellwood's mayor is African American and he disbanded their police force in favor of using the St. Louis County police. Ferguson has more apartments and rental houses; all with extremely low voting rates. The only people voting are the white homeowners and that's why all the elected officials are white.

I know that before the QT was fenced off there were two ladies registering voters. Not sure where they went as I haven't seen any more media coverage of them.

Ferguson was 75% white in 1990 and is 29% white today.  Since its population has actually decreased slightly over the past quarter-century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson,_Missouri ), that change is the result of black outmigration and slow-motion white flight.

After the recent unpleasantness, expect the remaining whites to GTFO.  And then all elected officials will be black, and Ferguson will be lovely.



If your numbers are correct, that is a substantial decrease of the white population in Ferguson.  If the remainder are property owners with equity, I predict that they will take a substantial hit.   If their mortgages are underwater or they are renters, it may be prudent for them to move to a more stable area and abandon Ferguson to their African-American neighbors.  Who really knows?   Maybe the citizens of Ferguson will elect the kind of government that they truly deserve, and live happily ever after.
 
2014-08-21 01:20:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: jst3p: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

That still doesn't make them journalists. Press pass or GTFO.

You don't need a press pass to be a journalist.


But if you're a journalist and you have the opportunity to not be in the press pen, you're useless if you insist on staying there.
 
2014-08-21 01:21:27 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Sammichless: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: The FPD are pooling over more African-Americans because they are the majority population of the town. Period end of story.

I do not believe that you can say "Period end of story" here.

I am pretty sure that the FPD failed in Ferguson. WHY do I think that?!?

Because of massive protests and looting over it.

Maybe you could argue that they did their job just fine, but, their PR dept. failed to connect to the people. And that their community outreach sucked.

That is, of course, not the most likely way that they failed (by a longshot)......... BUT, they DID fail.

Nothing the FPD could have done would have prevented this mess. They are not the ones who caused this mess. The protesters and rioters did. They before any facts were gathered they were demanding a lynching. They only want vengeance not justice. I also fault Governor Nixon for not stomping out this insurrection quickly. He should have had the NG called up with in hours of the riots. Couple that with the media fanning the flames and the arrival of professional trouble makers a lot of people are at fault.


In my city they shot an unarmed teenager in the back not that long ago.

The metropolitan area that I am part of they pretty regularly shoot mentally handicapped people.

This doesn't result in city wide protests where I am from. Here, we trust the police to act appropriately. We know that sometimes their shootings are tragic. We even know that some of them could be prevented.

BUT, where I am from, we believe that most officers do their best under the circumstances.

We believe that we could, and should, do better...... but, we think that our police are trying.

In Ferguson...... This isn't the case. People do not trust their police.

THAT IS FAILURE.
 
2014-08-21 01:23:00 PM  

Pull the Plug on Grannie: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Nothing the FPD could have done would have prevented this mess. They are not the ones who caused this mess. The protesters and rioters did. They before any facts were gathered they were demanding a lynching. They only want vengeance not justice. I also fault Governor Nixon for not stomping out this insurrection quickly. He should have had the NG called up with in hours of the riots. Couple that with the media fanning the flames and the arrival of professional trouble makers a lot of people are at fault.

They should have come out with the video footage on day one so there was a counter to the "gentle giant" on the way to college narrative.


It's funny but a lot of people think that him committing a violent felony moments before unimportant. Also no parent will admit they raised a criminal. They are always an angel.
 
2014-08-21 01:23:30 PM  

jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: You are still wrong. If you are in a part of town that is unusual for your socioeconomic status will be asked what you are doing there.

You seem to be agreeing with me. Not sure what part of what I said was wrong. Are you suggesting that I replace the word "probably" with "always" or something?

You said "You probably won't be asked why you're in a certain part of town. There are differences."

I am saying you are wrong, you probably will no matter what color you are.


Oh. Semantics. Just to clarify, probably leaves wiggle room both ways. And I stand by my assertion that it happens much more frequently to African-Americans than it does to middle-aged white guys, like the gentleman who I was responding too.

And I will stand by my assertion that you are pulling that out of your ass. "Where are you going? What are you doing here?" are common questions asked to anyone who looks less than middle class. People who are doing wrong will sometimes incriminate themselves out of nervousness. Standard cop tactic is to as open ended questions and let them ramble on.

But if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. Racism is your nail.



Jesus, that escalated quickly. Settle down, champ. This isn't even a point of contention. I'm very aware of white drug abusers who come to the hood. MOST cities are not majority ghetto, meaning there is a less than equal chance that you as a white person will be pulled over in an area known for drug traffic. Whereas, there is a larger chance that I will be pulled over in an area that is majority white, or where a police officer thinks that I look out of place.
 
2014-08-21 01:27:05 PM  

Pull the Plug on Grannie: dr_blasto: The officer should have to have an affirmative defense at this point.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119157/darren-wilsons-conviction- wi ll-be-basically-impossible

Not in Missouri. Instead, as long as there is a modicum of evidence and reasonable plausibility in support of a self-defense claim, a court must accept the claim and acquit the accused. The prosecution must not only prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the crime, but also disprove a defendant's claim of self-defense to the same high standard. Under Missouri law, all a citizen claiming self-defense or a police officer claiming to have fired while pursuing a dangerous criminal need do is "inject the issue of justification." In other words, he only needs to produce some evidence (his own testimony counts) supporting the claim. Once he does so, "


The Dept. of Justice is conducting their own investigation.

The top ranking military medical examiner is preforming an autopsy on Michael Brown.

If Michael Brown's hands where in the air, the autopsy will likely confirm it....... and Wilson will get the maximum sentence for 2nd degree murder.

In this case, at least, it is unlikely that there will be much doubt about what happened (in the end).
 
2014-08-21 01:28:55 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.


Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?
 
2014-08-21 01:30:02 PM  

ptpark: keypusher: mjohnson71: Gunny Highway: While everyone is sorting out the details of the past (very important stuff), I am wondering how this whole thing ends and what the last changes in the town will be.  At the moment it doesnt seem like there will be much change when this whole thing does settle down and people get back to the normal slog that is life.

Well, hopefully black votership will increase in Ferguson.

Dellwood, which is the suburb just to the north is just as black. However it's a little nicer with fewer apartment residents so they vote more. Dellwood's mayor is African American and he disbanded their police force in favor of using the St. Louis County police. Ferguson has more apartments and rental houses; all with extremely low voting rates. The only people voting are the white homeowners and that's why all the elected officials are white.

I know that before the QT was fenced off there were two ladies registering voters. Not sure where they went as I haven't seen any more media coverage of them.

Ferguson was 75% white in 1990 and is 29% white today.  Since its population has actually decreased slightly over the past quarter-century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson,_Missouri ), that change is the result of black outmigration and slow-motion white flight.

After the recent unpleasantness, expect the remaining whites to GTFO.  And then all elected officials will be black, and Ferguson will be lovely.


If your numbers are correct, that is a substantial decrease of the white population in Ferguson.  If the remainder are property owners with equity, I predict that they will take a substantial hit.   If their mortgages are underwater or they are renters, it may be prudent for them to move to a more stable area and abandon Ferguson to their African-American neighbors.  Who really knows?   Maybe the citizens of Ferguson will elect the kind of government that they truly deserve, and live happily ever after.


North County (including Ferguson) is horribly under water on their houses.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/st-louis-is-hot-spot-for-unde rw ater-mortgages/article_1a9b46b5-38f4-5b93-b4b4-e895f8e0bab5.html

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com
 
2014-08-21 01:30:39 PM  

Biological Ali: dr_blasto: Oh, whatever. If the hospital certifies that they are, indeed from that day and for that guy, then that's all good.

What kind of hospital would do that? I mean, I know I've had to get certified records from clinics, but that's been at my request, and usually for things like me having to prove I'd undergone medical testing for immigration purposes etc. Even if I were to say, in writing, that I waive confidentiality, and even if I were to scan and post those medical records on Facebook, I'd imagine that any third parties (other than the government) would still get a "no comment" from the clinic if they called them asking for "certification" of my medical records.


Take a step back and look. My statement and point, whether well-written or not, is that we have seen a significant push of verifiably false information that this cop has had both a broken jaw and a broken orbital. This includes shopped stock CT scans. Because of this very deliberate attempt to spread false information, anything the department or the cop says about any injury is suspect and for it to be believable, they'd need to cross a higher bar than if the campaign of lies had not been waged.

Read what you will, my intent is to say that they not trustworthy and HIPAA or whatever isn't the point. I find any argument that the cop was injured to be unbelievable until they provide evidence to support their claim.
 
2014-08-21 01:32:58 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Whereas, there is a larger chance that I will be pulled over in an area that is majority white, or where a police officer thinks that I look out of place.


The point is they look to pull over anyone who looks out of place.
 
2014-08-21 01:33:51 PM  

Grungehamster: unarmed from several yards away while unarmed


Department of Redundancy Department.
 
2014-08-21 01:37:59 PM  
 
2014-08-21 01:42:21 PM  

Numinor: Suicide by cop-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408643305


That cop gives love a bad name.
 
2014-08-21 01:43:02 PM  

Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?


If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.
 
2014-08-21 01:45:14 PM  

dr_blasto: Take a step back and look. My statement and point, whether well-written or not, is that we have seen a significant push of verifiably false information that this cop has had both a broken jaw and a broken orbital. This includes shopped stock CT scans. Because of this very deliberate attempt to spread false information, anything the department or the cop says about any injury is suspect and for it to be believable, they'd need to cross a higher bar than if the campaign of lies had not been waged.

Read what you will, my intent is to say that they not trustworthy and HIPAA or whatever isn't the point. I find any argument that the cop was injured to be unbelievable until they provide evidence to support their claim.


Sure, but it's really not that big of a deal even if there's false information about his supposed injuries flying around, because the only upshot to that will be that people arguing on the internet might be momentarily confused. To the people who matter (i.e. the grand jury), this is a non-issue.
 
2014-08-21 01:45:35 PM  

jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: Whereas, there is a larger chance that I will be pulled over in an area that is majority white, or where a police officer thinks that I look out of place.

The point is they look to pull over anyone who looks out of place.


And my point is that a white middle-aged man looks out of place FAR FEWER PLACES than a young African-American male. That's indisputable.
 
2014-08-21 01:47:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: Whereas, there is a larger chance that I will be pulled over in an area that is majority white, or where a police officer thinks that I look out of place.

The point is they look to pull over anyone who looks out of place.

And my point is that a white middle-aged man looks out of place FAR FEWER PLACES than a young African-American male. That's indisputable.


Now that you have moved the goal posts, you have a point.
 
2014-08-21 01:49:27 PM  
mjohnson71:

North County (including Ferguson) is horribly under water on their houses.

Wow - that's a substantial number of upside down mortgage holders.  Those people have good reason to be pissed off even without overenthusiastic policing.
 
2014-08-21 01:55:07 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?

If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.


You haven't negotiated much, have you?
 
2014-08-21 01:59:57 PM  

parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?

If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

You haven't negotiated much, have you?


Considering that every demand either is illegal or violates the FPD's cba I'm sure they don't know much either.
 
2014-08-21 02:03:41 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.


I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.
 
2014-08-21 02:04:02 PM  

Grungehamster: Wilson suffered a severe facial injury

...

cameroncrazy1984: Lol. Yeah adrenaline makes your dominant eye that is shattered have perfect aim.


IN HIGH SCHOOL -damn you caps lock- I got punched in the face. I left school early and walked home because I was embarrassed at my black eye. About a month later, my mom asked my what I was doing to my face. Apparently I kept reaching up and pushing it. I didn't realize it, and nothing hurt. She told me to let her have a look. My one eye seemed higher than the other. We went to the doctor and then had x-rays. It turned out to be a fracture of the orbital bone, in three places. Now I have three titanium plates in my head and twelve or thirteen screws. Nothing hurt, my vision was fine, but my skull was dismantled. I'd consider that a severe facial injury that wouldn't have affected my aim.

/didn't carry a gun in high school
//if I did my aim wouldn't matter because we were so close, but the other guy would probably have gotten shot
///unless he carried too; then it would have been a gun fight in economics class instead a food fight gone bad
//it's cool feeling the plates and screws through my skin, but not worth the headaches and other pressure effects
/5-pack of slashies
 
2014-08-21 02:04:35 PM  

Biological Ali: dr_blasto: Take a step back and look. My statement and point, whether well-written or not, is that we have seen a significant push of verifiably false information that this cop has had both a broken jaw and a broken orbital. This includes shopped stock CT scans. Because of this very deliberate attempt to spread false information, anything the department or the cop says about any injury is suspect and for it to be believable, they'd need to cross a higher bar than if the campaign of lies had not been waged.

Read what you will, my intent is to say that they not trustworthy and HIPAA or whatever isn't the point. I find any argument that the cop was injured to be unbelievable until they provide evidence to support their claim.

Sure, but it's really not that big of a deal even if there's false information about his supposed injuries flying around, because the only upshot to that will be that people arguing on the internet might be momentarily confused. To the people who matter (i.e. the grand jury), this is a non-issue.


Since I'm not going to be party to any GJ - if there even is one convened - I can only speak to the court of public opinion. Or pubic opinion, since we're all dicks out here anyhow.
 
2014-08-21 02:07:10 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?

If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

You haven't negotiated much, have you?

Considering that every de ...


EVERY one? take a look at that last one - the one that would likely have prevented this in the first place
 
2014-08-21 02:08:37 PM  

Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.


They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life. Otherwise they are doing a good job.
 
2014-08-21 02:09:14 PM  

Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.


They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life.
 
2014-08-21 02:10:40 PM  

skrame: Grungehamster: Wilson suffered a severe facial injury...

cameroncrazy1984: Lol. Yeah adrenaline makes your dominant eye that is shattered have perfect aim.

IN HIGH SCHOOL -damn you caps lock- I got punched in the face. I left school early and walked home because I was embarrassed at my black eye. About a month later, my mom asked my what I was doing to my face. Apparently I kept reaching up and pushing it. I didn't realize it, and nothing hurt. She told me to let her have a look. My one eye seemed higher than the other. We went to the doctor and then had x-rays. It turned out to be a fracture of the orbital bone, in three places. Now I have three titanium plates in my head and twelve or thirteen screws. Nothing hurt, my vision was fine, but my skull was dismantled. I'd consider that a severe facial injury that wouldn't have affected my aim.

/didn't carry a gun in high school
//if I did my aim wouldn't matter because we were so close, but the other guy would probably have gotten shot
///unless he carried too; then it would have been a gun fight in economics class instead a food fight gone bad
//it's cool feeling the plates and screws through my skin, but not worth the headaches and other pressure effects
/5-pack of slashies


You think the officer has a black eye?
 
2014-08-21 02:12:09 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life. Otherwise they are doing a good job.


of what?
 
2014-08-21 02:12:38 PM  

parasol: You haven't negotiated much, have you?


Cops get a different protocol than civilians in these kind of cases.

WE train cops to stand between us and whatever criminal threat is around.

WE train them that it is their job to kill people if the right circumstances arise.

THAT IS WHY they get different protocol if they shoot somebody while on duty.

Either way, the outcome should be the same. If he murdered somebody, he should go to prison.

BUT, if he followed training, we should count this as a tragic death that should have been avoided...... but, WE should NOT hold it against the officer.

That is what WE do.

There is NO negotiating this.

/Let Wilson fry if he shot a surrendering man.
//Wait until the investigation is through to decide if that happened.
 
2014-08-21 02:13:15 PM  

jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: jst3p: DROxINxTHExWIND: Whereas, there is a larger chance that I will be pulled over in an area that is majority white, or where a police officer thinks that I look out of place.

The point is they look to pull over anyone who looks out of place.

And my point is that a white middle-aged man looks out of place FAR FEWER PLACES than a young African-American male. That's indisputable.

Now that you have moved the goal posts, you have a point.



Oh, you're one of those guys. You're going to be right no matter what. There isn't even a big difference between our two positions. But, if you'd just scroll up a little, you'd see that I was TALKING to a middle-aged white man when you jumped in. So no, the goalposts weren't moved. You just dove in without catching up on the conversation.
 
2014-08-21 02:14:49 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life.


Yeah, I know. Look at all of the people trying to kill him now that his name is out.


/Oh, wait...
 
2014-08-21 02:14:55 PM  

parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

Now I think murder would be a difficult thing to try to convict him with (manslaughter is much more reasonable if you do believe that he did do wrong in this case) and the union ain't going to let any cop be fired until actually convicted. I also think that asking the racial composition of the force to match the community is an exercise in futility: if you have evidence of bias in hiring or promoting practices then go after that but trying to make it "equal" isn't going to do anyone much good. However none of those things were demanding his death without trial.

Someone got shot in broad daylight unarmed from several yards away while unarmed with multiple witnesses saying at the scene that he wasn't posing a threat to the officer when it happened. The police department response was "we will not release the name of the officer involved; he will face an internal review if he acted properly and will file charges if we find he acted criminally" with no promises to even let anyone know anything if the internal review cleared the officer. Do you see why the Weeners was protests, and how the crackdown on the protests that didn't attempt to discriminate between the protesters and the rioters just got people more angry?

If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

You haven't negotiated much, have you?

Considering that every de ...

EVERY one? take a look at that last one - the one that would likely have prevented this in the first place


The last one especially. If black candidates can't meet the testing and education requirements it isn't the FPD's fault. They shouldn't lower the bar to hire people based on race.
 
2014-08-21 02:17:23 PM  

Sammichless: parasol: You haven't negotiated much, have you?

Cops get a different protocol than civilians in these kind of cases.

WE train cops to stand between us and whatever criminal threat is around.

WE train them that it is their job to kill people if the right circumstances arise.

THAT IS WHY they get different protocol if they shoot somebody while on duty.

Either way, the outcome should be the same. If he murdered somebody, he should go to prison.

BUT, if he followed training, we should count this as a tragic death that should have been avoided...... but, WE should NOT hold it against the officer.

That is what WE do.

There is NO negotiating this.

/Let Wilson fry if he shot a surrendering man.
//Wait until the investigation is through to decide if that happened.


I was referring to the initial list of demands presented by the residents of Ferguson who are largely unfamiliar with the intricacies of a police-involved shooting and subsequent fatality.

You seem to be indicating you are either involved with law enforcement training/legal representation or are suffering from schizophrenia
 
2014-08-21 02:19:44 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life.

Yeah, I know. Look at all of the people trying to kill him now that his name is out.


/Oh, wait...


Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the threat wasn't real.
 
2014-08-21 02:20:32 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: DROxINxTHExWIND: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: If you feel those are reasonable demands it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

I listed my own issue with those demands; but would you agree that it's not unreasonable to want the investigation to be transparent (instead of keeping it a secret and saying it's up to members of his own local department who he works with to decide if he behaved correctly or not, and if it's determined he acted correctly it will just be dropped with no public knowledge). Transparency includes knowing who pulled the trigger and what protocol the local PD is trained to follow when attempting to engage a suspect.

If you feel the police response to the situation was reasonable it's a waste of time trying to reason with you.

They didn't need to know the cop's name at first. All it would have done is endanger his life.

Yeah, I know. Look at all of the people trying to kill him now that his name is out.


/Oh, wait...

Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the threat wasn't real.


And stop.

There is no moving forward in this conversation.
 
2014-08-21 02:24:28 PM  

parasol: You seem to be indicating you are either involved with law enforcement training/legal representation or are suffering from schizophrenia


Nope, Nope, And how do you know for sure?
 
2014-08-21 02:25:37 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Yeah, I know. Look at all of the people trying to kill him now that his name is out.


/Oh, wait...


Not sure what else has go on in this thread, but to think that this cop isn't subject to threats/attempts on his life is simply stupid.  He and his family have apparently been moved to a safe location.  Combing through the twitter threats alone could take a long time.

/you must be ate up with the stupid to think that this cop isn't subject to an attempt on his life.
 
2014-08-21 02:26:07 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

The last one especially. If black candidates can't meet the testing and education requirements it isn't the FPD's fault. They shouldn't lower the bar to hire people based on race.


Well, THAT doesn't sound racist in the least!
I expect part of the disparity is the speed in which the demographics of Ferguson changed and the fact that most leo's retire out of a department - I doubt you'd be interested in a 2013 report that this particular department was the target of a whistle-blower on hiring practices - who was then hounded out by his brothers in blue.
Lastly, and I say this with all sincerity on behalf of the black officers in our own little department - one of whom served in the Marines and is one of the most kind and wickedly sharp people I've met - you can take your segregationist-era "they prolly jest aint as smart" bs and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
 
2014-08-21 02:28:01 PM  
 
2014-08-21 02:28:14 PM  

Sammichless: parasol: You seem to be indicating you are either involved with law enforcement training/legal representation or are suffering from schizophrenia

Nope, Nope, And how do you know for sure?


I don't nor need to. I am willing to listen if you need or want to share, though.
 
2014-08-21 02:35:43 PM  

parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: parasol: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: Grungehamster: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: they were demanding a lynching.

Umm, I must have missed that. Here was the list of demands when this first started, distributed by flyer at the protests:

- The officer involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown be IMMEDIATELY identified.
- The same officer should be immediately fired and charged with murder.
- The Ferguson Police Department "Protocol Handbook" be distributed throughout the Ferguson community.
- The racial composition of the Ferguson Police Department should reflect the racial demographics of the community.

The last one especially. If black candidates can't meet the testing and education requirements it isn't the FPD's fault. They shouldn't lower the bar to hire people based on race.

Well, THAT doesn't sound racist in the least!
I expect part of the disparity is the speed in which the demographics of Ferguson changed and the fact that most leo's retire out of a department - I doubt you'd be interested in a 2013 report that this particular department was the target of a whistle-blower on hiring practices - who was then hounded out by his brothers in blue.
Lastly, and I say this with all sincerity on behalf of the black officers in our own little department - one of whom served in the Marines and is one of the most kind and wickedly sharp people I've met - you can take your segregationist-era "they prolly jest aint as smart" bs and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.


I didn't say anything racist. Tests and requirements are not racist. Changing them or hiring candidates that are not the best applicant's based on race is.
 
2014-08-21 02:44:39 PM  

parasol: Sammichless: parasol: You seem to be indicating you are either involved with law enforcement training/legal representation or are suffering from schizophrenia

Nope, Nope, And how do you know for sure?

I don't nor need to. I am willing to listen if you need or want to share, though.


I DO want to share....... Just like everyone else on Fark.

I am Liberal. I want things to turn out in favor of the Ferguson Community.

NOT JOKING.

Grrrrrr. This case worries me. I am not certain that the officer did wrong. I admit fully that he might have......

But, I think that it is wrong to attach this much importance to the Michael Brown shooting. I am under the seemingly unique position of thinking that it is simply bad press to my beliefs that the police need to be able to do their jobs without race being a factor.
 
2014-08-21 02:48:06 PM  

dr_blasto: Since I'm not going to be party to any GJ - if there even is one convened - I can only speak to the court of public opinion. Or pubic opinion, since we're all dicks out here anyhow.


A grand jury has already been assembled and should have started hearing evidence starting yesterday, unless the schedule has changed.
 
2014-08-21 02:48:19 PM  

Callous: Geoff Peterson: Callous: dr_blasto: I'll buy the broken face story when the hospital confirms the ER admission and releases what they certify as the cop's CT or Xray scans. Too much bullshiat to buy anything about it now, they have zero cred.

So the only proof that you'll accept requires a criminal act on the hospital's part to provide it to you?

Are you that ignorant or are you just trying so hard to hang on to your narrative that you are willing to demand the impossible so as not to have to reconsider it?

bullshiat. he was treated and released the same farking day.

What's bullshiat?  That he was treated and released the same day tells us nothing about his injuries.  The fact that he was treated tells us there was some kind of injury.


No it doesn't. It tells us he wants to establish a record that he was inured in some fashion, not that he actually was. The fact he was treated and released tells us that whatever he claimed happened was NOT serious.

/critical thinking
//how does it work?
 
2014-08-21 02:51:09 PM  

Biological Ali: dr_blasto: Since I'm not going to be party to any GJ - if there even is one convened - I can only speak to the court of public opinion. Or pubic opinion, since we're all dicks out here anyhow.

A grand jury has already been assembled and should have started hearing evidence starting yesterday, unless the schedule has changed.


I missed that, apparently; I didn't know they had gotten to that point, just that the DA was being pressed to prosecute - which didn't require GJ action.
 
2014-08-21 02:55:09 PM  

Sammichless: parasol: Sammichless: parasol: You seem to be indicating you are either involved with law enforcement training/legal representation or are suffering from schizophrenia

Nope, Nope, And how do you know for sure?

I don't nor need to. I am willing to listen if you need or want to share, though.

I DO want to share....... Just like everyone else on Fark.

I am Liberal. I want things to turn out in favor of the Ferguson Community.

NOT JOKING.

Grrrrrr. This case worries me. I am not certain that the officer did wrong. I admit fully that he might have......

But, I think that it is wrong to attach this much importance to the Michael Brown shooting. I am under the seemingly unique position of thinking that it is simply bad press to my beliefs that the police need to be able to do their jobs without race being a factor.


I agree with you that there has been bad press/shoddy reporting
The Brown shooting is important in that it appears to be acting as a catalyst of sorts. We all know singular events can trigger systemic changes.

/sorry i was snippish
//it is too damn hot
///3

i'm out
 
2014-08-21 03:01:41 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: It's funny but a lot of people think that him committing a violent felony moments before unimportant. Also no parent will admit they raised a criminal.


The fact that you think it is important shows you to be easily distracted and lacking reasoning ability.

/It's an irrelevant strawman.
 
2014-08-21 03:04:37 PM  

Geoff Peterson: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: It's funny but a lot of people think that him committing a violent felony moments before unimportant. Also no parent will admit they raised a criminal.

The fact that you think it is important shows you to be easily distracted and lacking reasoning ability.

/It's an irrelevant strawman.


It is one part of a larger story.  I dont think dismissing or obsessing over the events helps understand this situation.
 
2014-08-21 03:12:07 PM  

Gunny Highway: Geoff Peterson: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: It's funny but a lot of people think that him committing a violent felony moments before unimportant. Also no parent will admit they raised a criminal.

The fact that you think it is important shows you to be easily distracted and lacking reasoning ability.

/It's an irrelevant strawman.

It is one part of a larger story.  I dont think dismissing or obsessing over the events helps understand this situation.


But it has nothing whatsoever to do with if the cop shot an unarmed man holding his hands up.
 
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