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(Politico)   You know it's bad when a "good night" in Ferguson results in only 6 arrests. Progress, people   (politico.com) divider line 354
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2014-08-21 07:50:27 AM  
Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.
 
2014-08-21 07:50:53 AM  
blog.lawyer.com
 
2014-08-21 07:52:54 AM  
Twitter was reporting that one of the CNN guys was snitching out Indy media to the cops so they would be removed and arrested from the Media area.
 
2014-08-21 07:53:54 AM  
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiat. I bet that a good night in Boston or any city would result in only six arrests.
 
2014-08-21 07:55:01 AM  

GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.


Well they did give him 20 seconds to comply. Progress?
 
2014-08-21 07:55:35 AM  

Dinobot: Twitter was reporting that one of the CNN guys was snitching out Indy media to the cops so they would be removed and arrested from the Media area.


If you don't have a press pass, you're not "indy media," you're a tourist. Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.
 
2014-08-21 07:57:50 AM  

skinink: Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiat. I bet that a good night in Boston or any city would result in only six arrests.



It's probably a good night in Philly if there are only 6 shootings
 
2014-08-21 07:59:43 AM  

LazyMedia: Dinobot: Twitter was reporting that one of the CNN guys was snitching out Indy media to the cops so they would be removed and arrested from the Media area.

If you don't have a press pass, you're not "indy media," you're a tourist. Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.


Yeah, with CNN.
 
2014-08-21 08:00:51 AM  
I didn't hear anything about it, on Fark or on FB.  Of course, that nasty bit of thunderstorm rolling though would drive most people indoors.
 
2014-08-21 08:03:04 AM  
Good night for whom?
 
2014-08-21 08:03:40 AM  

Dinobot: Indy media

i.imgur.com

 
2014-08-21 08:04:12 AM  

LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.


People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.
 
2014-08-21 08:05:16 AM  

Alphax: I didn't hear anything about it, on Fark or on FB.  Of course, that nasty bit of thunderstorm rolling though would drive most people indoors.


"I want to protest this injustice...but I can't find my poncho."
 
2014-08-21 08:05:51 AM  
A great night in Ferguson: No molotov cocktails.
 
2014-08-21 08:06:16 AM  

Bowen: Alphax: I didn't hear anything about it, on Fark or on FB.  Of course, that nasty bit of thunderstorm rolling though would drive most people indoors.

"I want to protest this injustice...but I can't find my poncho."


Don't forget your lightning rod.
 
2014-08-21 08:07:45 AM  

GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.


You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.
 
2014-08-21 08:10:53 AM  
"The police confiscated no handguns after removing three the night before."

Yes, three guns- all very new in appearance, all the same make and model.
Kinda funny... looking.

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/599 05 403
 
2014-08-21 08:11:05 AM  
Apparently Wisconsin had learned its lesson about lack of police oversight.  Read Michael Bell's story about about the death of his son and how he fought to enact a law requiring outside investigations of police-caused fatalities.  It would be nice if other states would pass similar legislation.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-poli ce -killed-my-son-110038.html?ml=po_r#.U_XgLKPQqgU
 
2014-08-21 08:13:44 AM  
What would you call a night with only 6 arrests in Chicago?
 
2014-08-21 08:14:30 AM  

LazyMedia: Dinobot: Twitter was reporting that one of the CNN guys was snitching out Indy media to the cops so they would be removed and arrested from the Media area.

If you don't have a press pass, you're not "indy media," you're a tourist. Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.


Yes.  Because clearly only those individuals with government approval are entitled to freedom of the press.
 
2014-08-21 08:15:32 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.

You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.


... In the USA.
In sane countries cops are trained to de-escalate encounters with mentally disturbed individuals.
/ It is very possible this particular case was not resolvable, but it seems to me that American cops will sooner shoot than attempt to resolve a dangerous situation non-violently -- most probably wouldn't know how anyway.
 
2014-08-21 08:16:08 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.

You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.


img2.timeinc.net
4.bp.blogspot.com

Usually.

/these guys had guns, btw. slightly more lethal than knives, I think
 
2014-08-21 08:16:17 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.


Who?
Serious question.  No snark.
 
2014-08-21 08:17:12 AM  
A good night would be a night when all the bad police in Missouri are fired, when non-lethal weapons are only used against actual threats, and deadly force is only used as an absolute last resort. That was a quiet night... not a good night.
 
2014-08-21 08:18:15 AM  

SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.


Look up the top youtube earners.
 
2014-08-21 08:18:32 AM  

Maybe the cops are holding on to the out of state visitors.  Making them guests of the city longer.


GungFu

Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.


That was St. Louis City. The guy had a knife and rushed the cops. Not a "gentle giant" or "trade school aspirant". Just a guy trying to steal a little food to feed himself.

St. Louis City responded with "transparency" and "openness" immediately. They had plenty of witnesses to collaborate their side of the incident. Even though Google reviews calls the store owner/cook a "jerk", he made great sandwiches. Probably didn't deserve to get stabbed too much.
 
2014-08-21 08:18:32 AM  
Two updates that are interesting:

1) More national media is claiming that sources close to the investigation have told them Wilson suffered a severe facial injury and needed to go to the hospital for his injuries. If we assume that the video of him pacing at the scene is actually of him and that these sources are true I think we'll be getting into a major argument of the definition of "severe" (to be that comfortable to show no distress would likely make it a hairline fracture I would have to think.)

2) Remember the "Josie" phone call that claimed to be from Wilson's friend and gave his side of the story? I thought the Facebook images that have been floating around telling a similar story were likely made by someone hoping to spread Josie's account with a bit more authority but which had some glaring inaccuracies not in Josie's story (like that Brown was charging and was only two or three feet from Wilson when he put the final bullet in his head despite no GPR) that betrayed it wasn't true. Turns out the media not only confirmed that the Facebook account was fake (well, to be fair, they confirmed that it wasn't set up until after Wilson's name was announced publicly; it's technically possible his Weeners to his name being announced was to delete everything before the day of the announcement to prevent controversy but then decided to write up a giant post on his side of the story despite his department purposely refusing to give any firm details of Wilson's version of events until the investigation is complete but it would be really, really, stupid.) However, the more interesting thing is that the Josie call happened several days after the Facebook post; despite CNN calling the Facebook post a fake they claimed to have confirmed with anonymous sources close to the investigation that Josie's version is basically Wilson's version of events, which has interesting implications (though very different ones if they both turn out to be true or false.)
 
2014-08-21 08:19:30 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.


I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.
 
2014-08-21 08:19:35 AM  

newton: "The police confiscated no handguns after removing three the night before."

Yes, three guns- all very new in appearance, all the same make and model.
Kinda funny... looking.

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/599 05 403

Tune in at 33:00.

"They all look just alike..."
"Yeah, they are all identical..."
"Is that possible?"
"They look brand new"
 
2014-08-21 08:20:17 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.


Plenty of journalists start as bloggers before getting hired by more mainstream outlets.
Hell, CNN is employing a good example in Brian Stelter.
 
2014-08-21 08:20:51 AM  

TeamEd: Dictatorial_Flair: GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.

You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.

... In the USA.
In sane countries cops are trained to de-escalate encounters with mentally disturbed individuals.
/ It is very possible this particular case was not resolvable, but it seems to me that American cops will sooner shoot than attempt to resolve a dangerous situation non-violently -- most probably wouldn't know how anyway.


It's still pretty awful that they killed the guy, and I do wonder why something else wasn't tried before it came down to him going all suicide-by-cop, but the report I read made it sound like they at least made an attempt not to shoot the guy. Kind of. If nothing else, they supposedly let him get dangerously close before blasting the shiat out of him. That's kind of like deescalation, right?
 
2014-08-21 08:23:23 AM  

BlindRaise: What would you call a night with only 6 arrests in Chicago?


What does 6 arrests work out as a per capita rate in Chicago vs. Ferguson?

/Genuinely curious
//Can't check populations at work, Wiki blocked.
 
2014-08-21 08:24:30 AM  

SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.


In the time it took you to post this you could have just looked it up.
 
2014-08-21 08:26:05 AM  

LazyMedia: Dinobot: Twitter was reporting that one of the CNN guys was snitching out Indy media to the cops so they would be removed and arrested from the Media area.

If you don't have a press pass, you're not "indy media," you're a tourist. Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.


www.adbusters.org

We spend all this time biatching about the media.  People think the media is failing them so they go out, successfully or unsuccessfully, to try to right that wrong.  Do you really have a problem with that, especially in a situation like this?  That seems odd to me considering your handle.
 
2014-08-21 08:26:11 AM  
Meh, good and bad are relative. Compared to 8 stab wounds, 4 stab wounds are good, and 1 stab wound would be great.

roopost.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-21 08:28:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.

In the time it took you to post this you could have just looked it up.


Do you not also see that in the time you posted "Look it up" you could have shared a couple of examples?
 
2014-08-21 08:29:01 AM  

Grungehamster:
1) If we assume that the video of him pacing at the scene is actually of him and that these sources are true I think we'll be getting into a major argument of the definition of "severe" (to be that comfortable to show no distress would likely make it a hairline fracture I would have to think.)


Oh hai guys.

i2.cdn.turner.com

You miss me?

/notthisshiatagain.jpg
 
2014-08-21 08:30:01 AM  

SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.

In the time it took you to post this you could have just looked it up.

Do you not also see that in the time you posted "Look it up" you could have shared a couple of examples?


This exchange going plaid in 3...2...1
 
2014-08-21 08:30:43 AM  

SBinRR: I'll pass. Not that important to me.


So shut up.
 
2014-08-21 08:31:42 AM  

LucklessWonder: BlindRaise: What would you call a night with only 6 arrests in Chicago?

What does 6 arrests work out as a per capita rate in Chicago vs. Ferguson?

/Genuinely curious
//Can't check populations at work, Wiki blocked.


2013 Population Estimates per Wiki
Ferguson - 21,111
Chicago - 2,718,782

So just under 773 arrests to be comparable.
 
2014-08-21 08:32:00 AM  

King Something: Dictatorial_Flair: GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.

You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.

[img2.timeinc.net image 300x400]
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 479x604]

Usually.

/these guys had guns, btw. slightly more lethal than knives, I think


cdn29.elitedaily.com

You mean like "I will farking kill you" Man?

You know, it's not often that someone does something so egregious that both InforWars and Mother Jones agree:

http://www.infowars.com/ferguson-cop-points-gun-at-journalists-im-go in g-to-fing-kill-you/

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/08/gun-pointing-cop-ferguson-su sp ended

At least this guy got suspended.
 
2014-08-21 08:32:01 AM  

Elegy: Grungehamster:
1) If we assume that the video of him pacing at the scene is actually of him and that these sources are true I think we'll be getting into a major argument of the definition of "severe" (to be that comfortable to show no distress would likely make it a hairline fracture I would have to think.)

Oh hai guys.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

You miss me?

/notthisshiatagain.jpg


I was about to say the same thing. It's funny how these threads always seem to have a near identical pattern. the outcome of this one may be different though, depending on the veracity of the whole charging story.
 
2014-08-21 08:32:20 AM  

Bowen: "I want to protest this injustice...but I can't find my poncho."


Is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
 
2014-08-21 08:32:27 AM  
Ahhhh, good to see the "but Chicago" crowd is up early.
 
2014-08-21 08:33:03 AM  

SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.

In the time it took you to post this you could have just looked it up.

Do you not also see that in the time you posted "Look it up" you could have shared a couple of examples?


That might mean something to me if I cared whether you know or not.

Really though, this is all time better spent by you educating yourself.
 
2014-08-21 08:33:14 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: TeamEd: Dictatorial_Flair: GungFu: Whoo..just saw the other one where the dude went shopping without any cash...repeatedly, and when the cops come he politely asks the cops to shoot him. They oblige. Repeatedly. He dead now. He very dead. Shop owner down 2 drinks and a pastry.

Was that in Ferguson as well? Dat's farked up, dawg.

You left out the "he was waving a weapon around and acting crazy" part. If you relentlessly approach cops while brandishing a knife, at any speed, you're almost guaranteed to get shot. Maybe they could have done something besides shooting the guy, but people who do what he did usually end up getting shot.

... In the USA.
In sane countries cops are trained to de-escalate encounters with mentally disturbed individuals.
/ It is very possible this particular case was not resolvable, but it seems to me that American cops will sooner shoot than attempt to resolve a dangerous situation non-violently -- most probably wouldn't know how anyway.

It's still pretty awful that they killed the guy, and I do wonder why something else wasn't tried before it came down to him going all suicide-by-cop, but the report I read made it sound like they at least made an attempt not to shoot the guy. Kind of. If nothing else, they supposedly let him get dangerously close before blasting the shiat out of him. That's kind of like deescalation, right?


Did they engage the man with their guns trained on him, or ready at their sides?
Did they threaten him with, "or we will shoot you?"
Did they close distance in an aggressive stance?
Did they engage him in a speaking voice, or start at a shouting tone?
These things and more are common cop behaviours that can escalate a situation with a mentally disturbed individual. Someone who previous may have not had a real intention to commit 'suicide by cop,' may see all that from the cops at start to act all 'fark it, go ahead an shoot me.'
/ De-escalation is about being a calming presence, not being a threatening presence and then shooting when he reacts badly.
// This case may have been handled perfectly, who knows.
/// If you approached a nervous horse shouting and acting threatening, then shot it when it got aggressive with you, people wouldn't say "good job, you had no choice," they'd call you an idiot.
 
2014-08-21 08:39:33 AM  

Elegy: Grungehamster:
1) If we assume that the video of him pacing at the scene is actually of him and that these sources are true I think we'll be getting into a major argument of the definition of "severe" (to be that comfortable to show no distress would likely make it a hairline fracture I would have to think.)

Oh hai guys.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

You miss me?

/notthisshiatagain.jpg


And that's a major reason that I've tried to hedge about the actual content of the witness video. A lot of people looked at the images of Zimmerman at the police station and said that he didn't have any injuries despite his claims and simply put the camera quality isn't good enough in either case to claim there was or wasn't any visible swelling or damage (hell, it's not even good enough to tell if that's really Wilson or another guy on the force who has the same haircut and the same build as his released photos +10-20 lbs.) However, if it is him he certainly doesn't seem to be carrying himself like someone with severe damage to his face and/or head. Then again, IANAD.
 
2014-08-21 08:43:31 AM  

TeamEd: Did they engage the man with their guns trained on him, or ready at their sides?
Did they threaten him with, "or we will shoot you?"
Did they close distance in an aggressive stance?
Did they engage him in a speaking voice, or start at a shouting tone?
These things and more are common cop behaviours that can escalate a situation with a mentally disturbed individual. Someone who previous may have not had a real intention to commit 'suicide by cop,' may see all that from the cops at start to act all 'fark it, go ahead an shoot me.'
/ De-escalation is about being a calming presence, not being a threatening presence and then shooting when he reacts badly.
// This case may have been handled perfectly, who knows.
/// If you approached a nervous horse shouting and acting threatening, then shot it when it got aggressive with you, people wouldn't say "good job, you had no choice," they'd call you an idiot.


I have no idea. Considering what I've seen from cops in the area, I suspect that deescalation isn't exactly a priority around there.
 
2014-08-21 08:44:22 AM  

SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: SBinRR: HotWingConspiracy: LazyMedia: Your blog doesn't make you media. Get a job.

People have made millions of dollars from their blogs.

Who?
Serious question.  No snark.

Look up the top youtube earners.

I'll pass. Not that important to me.  I thought you might have a couple names you could share off the top of your head.


Perez Hilton comes to mind.

I'm not into blogs (especially pop culture ones), but he was just on the Howard Stern Show fingering Benji, so his name is still fresh in my head.
 
2014-08-21 08:51:31 AM  
Six arrests are pretty much a normal night in any medium sized American city.  Hell, I was a cop in a county that had only a hundred thousand people, and the jail probably saw twenty plus people a night come in, and most of the county was rural, meaning that there wasn't much trouble for people to get into, but when they did, they didn't get caught.
 
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