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(Politico)   "Immigration reform? What the hell is that? Some sort of way to make immigrants emigrants? A way to make the damn Irish stop drinking? Hell, if we do that, what would we do with our bartenders? Won't somebody think about the beer drinkers?"   (politico.com) divider line 28
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2014-08-21 09:01:54 AM  
Maybe as a legislative agenda, it's a dud (because a certain group refuse to do anything about it beyond "deport everyone and build a big wall!"). However, it's going to drive national elections for at least the next 20 years.
 
2014-08-21 10:33:00 AM  
 
2014-08-21 10:37:51 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Turning Kenyans into Americans?


It's been on an ongoing since the 80's when we were all turning Japanese.

/I really think so
 
2014-08-21 10:38:27 AM  
Meanwhile, according to McClatchy, farmers are complaining they can't enough pickers.

If only there was a way to get more pickers for farmers.
 
2014-08-21 10:38:32 AM  
slamming Coffman for his vacillations on migrant rights

Migrant rights?

hitting Romanoff for passing tough immigration laws when he was statehouse speaker

Statehouse immigration laws?
 
2014-08-21 10:39:23 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Meanwhile, according to McClatchy, farmers are complaining they can't enough pickers.

If only there was a way to get more pickers for farmers.


*get*

/I accidentally the verb.
 
2014-08-21 10:49:15 AM  
Argentina: Pay Your Debts
 
2014-08-21 10:52:34 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Meanwhile, according to McClatchy, farmers are complaining they can't enough pickers.

If only there was a way to get more pickers for farmers.


The farmers could always pay pickers more, making it a more lucrative job for the existing citizens. But no, that would never work.
 
2014-08-21 10:54:19 AM  
Every conservative politician is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, just as long as everyone is very, very careful not to explain what comprehensuve immigration reform might actually mean.

It's just like balancing the budget. All republicans want to balance the budget, as long as everyone is very careful not to explain that it would require meaningul spending cuts and revenue increases.
 
2014-08-21 10:55:31 AM  
"Less than three months before the midterm elections, there's virtually no competitive House race that's animated by a debate over immigration."

Because the Republicans have realized that their stance will destroy them in the general election and Democrats don't have the testicles to bring up immigration reform.
 
2014-08-21 11:00:25 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Meanwhile, according to McClatchy, farmers are complaining they can't enough pickers.

If only there was a way to get more pickers for farmers.


Who wants to be paid minimum wage to do grueling physical labor in the hot sun with no room for advancement when McDonald's will pay the same wage to stand at a register in an air conditioned building?

Farmers need to offer competitive wages.
 
2014-08-21 11:01:04 AM  

The Larch: Every conservative politician is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform



Not if the definition of "comprehensive immigration reform" means granting citizenship and government benefits to foreign scofflaws they don't.

There are some who are in the pocket of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who want a permanent servile class in the country to deny paying people a living wage, but there are plenty of conservatives who would rather the government enforce the law as opposed to abetting illegal aliens.
 
2014-08-21 11:08:41 AM  
Brown people's problems.

*shrug*
 
2014-08-21 11:08:44 AM  
So the Honduran refugee kids who were returned are now dead. So there's that. Someone's victory.
 
2014-08-21 11:12:59 AM  
From the comments
(This was in response to a "they're taking our jerbs!" comment):

roameo: Most immigrants already have jobs. Don't expect any big hit to middle class jobs once comprehensive reform occurs.

Galt: Yes, which explains why more people have moved from middle class to poverty since immigration from mexico has exploded!!!


This is what teabaggers actually believe.

*facepalm*

/I need a drink... and it's only 10:00 am
 
2014-08-21 11:20:03 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: From the comments
(This was in response to a "they're taking our jerbs!" comment):

roameo: Most immigrants already have jobs. Don't expect any big hit to middle class jobs once comprehensive reform occurs.

Galt: Yes, which explains why more people have moved from middle class to poverty since immigration from mexico has exploded!!!

This is what teabaggers actually believe.

*facepalm*

/I need a drink... and it's only 10:00 am


Dey.   Derk.  Er.  Jerbs.
 
2014-08-21 11:22:19 AM  
This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration


/seriously
//use the same line with conservative "job-killing regulation" people
///slashies
 
2014-08-21 11:49:29 AM  

BitwiseShift: So the Honduran refugee kids who were returned are now dead. So there's that. Someone's victory.


Kids only matter if they're not out of the womb yet, dontcha know.
 
2014-08-21 11:51:11 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Meanwhile, according to McClatchy, farmers are complaining they can't enough pickers.

If only there was a way to get more pickers for farmers.


I guess those farking farmers will have to pay fair market wages for the labor then.

Whey are the lefties all of a sudden in favor of rich business owners paying the workers peanuts?
 
2014-08-21 11:54:31 AM  
Immigration reform as a phrase means nothing. I personally am in favor of a path to citizenship, but I disagree with the need to increase visas for STEM fields. And these are just two of the issues that are being packaged together into the phrase Immigration Reform.
 
2014-08-21 12:11:14 PM  

pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration


I take you haven't been paying attention for the past 6-7 years?
 
2014-08-21 12:45:03 PM  

1derful: The Larch: Every conservative politician is in favor of comprehensive immigration reform

Not if the definition of "comprehensive immigration reform" means granting citizenship and government benefits to foreign scofflaws they don't.


The point is that everyone is in favor of it as long as there is absolutely no definition of what it means at all.

The reason why nobody is bringing it up in the race in Colorado is because one of the two people in the race have voted on an actual bill with actual words in it, describing actual things that would actually be done. Talking about specifically what immigration reform might look like is absolutely toxic for everyone.
 
2014-08-21 12:47:49 PM  

Aexia: pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration

I take you haven't been paying attention for the past 6-7 years?


Yep. The answer is no, nobody has actually talked about what they want to do or why they want to do it. They just say they want to reform it, but they can't talk about specifics before we "secure the border", whatever that means.
 
2014-08-21 01:00:03 PM  

The Larch: Aexia: pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration

I take you haven't been paying attention for the past 6-7 years?

Yep. The answer is no, nobody has actually talked about what they want to do or why they want to do it. They just say they want to reform it, but they can't talk about specifics before we "secure the border", whatever that means.


That's weird because I seem to recall the Senate passing a fairly comprehensive bill last year.

The only stance House Republicans have gotten behind is "deport them out, all of them".

But i guess both sides do it, are bad, exactly the same, etc.
 
2014-08-21 01:30:01 PM  
"My grandfather did not cross 4,000 miles of Atlantic Ocean to see this country overrun by immigrants.  He did it because he had murdered a man back in Ireland."  --Stephen Colbert
 
2014-08-21 02:45:13 PM  

pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration


/seriously
//use the same line with conservative "job-killing regulation" people
///slashies


Do you mean something other than the DREAM act, or the bipartisan Senate bill that Boeher refuses to call to a vote and has been sitting on his desk since last year?

Because as someone who's read it a few times already (I work in immigration law), it's not perfect, but it addresses a HUGE percentage of what people have been talking about this whole time, and is a massive improvement over what we have today.
 
2014-08-21 04:12:55 PM  

El Morro: pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration


/seriously
//use the same line with conservative "job-killing regulation" people
///slashies

Do you mean something other than the DREAM act, or the bipartisan Senate bill that Boeher refuses to call to a vote and has been sitting on his desk since last year?

Because as someone who's read it a few times already (I work in immigration law), it's not perfect, but it addresses a HUGE percentage of what people have been talking about this whole time, and is a massive improvement over what we have today.


Streamline the system so that people get told "No" a lot quicker.
 
2014-08-22 08:47:38 AM  

El Morro: pueblonative: This kinda brings up a point.  Has any pro immigration reform advocate pointed out a specific immigration law and said
*why it is unjust/unfair/ineffective
*how should it be changed
*what would be the result that would lower illegal immigration


/seriously
//use the same line with conservative "job-killing regulation" people
///slashies

Do you mean something other than the DREAM act, or the bipartisan Senate bill that Boeher refuses to call to a vote and has been sitting on his desk since last year?

Because as someone who's read it a few times already (I work in immigration law), it's not perfect, but it addresses a HUGE percentage of what people have been talking about this whole time, and is a massive improvement over what we have today.


The DREAM act addresses the after result of people coming here illegally. It doesn't talk about why those people came here illegally vs legally in the first place. Are the caps on immigrants too low? Are immigration fees too high? Are there restrictions that keep otherwise honest people out? And finally there's the fact that people fleeing their homes because of gang wars and terrorism and abject poverty is not good for the stability of the region on a long term basis.
 
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