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(Newser)   World's top women soccer players involved in a turf war with FIFA   (newser.com) divider line 44
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2014-08-21 07:23:31 PM  
Catfight!
 
2014-08-21 08:00:26 PM  
It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.
 
2014-08-21 08:07:59 PM  
So they will play ball if there is grass on the field?
 
2014-08-21 08:17:06 PM  

Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.


I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?
 
2014-08-21 08:24:15 PM  
Modern turf is far superior to grass. I don't get the complaint.
 
2014-08-21 08:28:20 PM  

Daedalus27: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?



Ironically, there are no games in Toronto.
The problem isn't Canadian artificial turf, it's artificial turf in general.  It's not much fun to play on.
"That is the worst thing for any athlete, playing on turf." Thierry Henry, NY Red Bulls
 
2014-08-21 08:37:59 PM  

Daedalus27: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?


They have excellent turf in Canada. The thing is, top soccer players hate all artificial turf, even the good stuff -- it is very, very different than playing on grass.
 
2014-08-21 09:22:42 PM  
So they want to rip up their carpet and go natural?
 
2014-08-21 09:25:28 PM  
If there's grass on the field...
 
2014-08-21 09:29:46 PM  

Daedalus27: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?


My experience with turf vs. grass is that a well maintained grass field is better than the best turf field. Those thousands and thousands of high school fields are good enough for high school sports and reduce field costs and are likely to be in better shape than most grass fields, but that doesn't mean they are World Cup soccer worthy.
 
2014-08-21 09:32:44 PM  
Sue FIFA? Over the WWC? Hell, they are lucky they don't make them play on random AYSO fields as it is. And since I'm 99% sure FIFA probably loses money on the whole deal anyway I'm not sure what they think they'll accomplish.
 
2014-08-21 09:43:55 PM  

tedduck: Daedalus27: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?

My experience with turf vs. grass is that a well maintained grass field is better than the best turf field. Those thousands and thousands of high school fields are good enough for high school sports and reduce field costs and are likely to be in better shape than most grass fields, but that doesn't mean they are World Cup soccer worthy.


I was under the impression that field turf (used almost everywhere) was FIFA approved.

Also, no way are you going to convince stadium owners to put grass down for a one off deal.
 
2014-08-21 09:47:18 PM  
I'll say one thing for women's soccer, they flop less than the men.
 
2014-08-21 09:59:05 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Modern turf is far superior to grass. I don't get the complaint.


Turf burns are worse than grass burns, and take longer to recover from.
Turf underlayers are usually harder than sod layers, meaning more injuries from bad landings and more wear and tear on ankles/knees.
Turf fields are more likely to have poorly maintained seams and other defects compared to bad conditions on grass fields.

That's all putting aside issues like "the ball plays differently on turf."
 
2014-08-21 10:27:37 PM  
The ladies won't have to worry about a thing.  Our wonderful Premier will step up and install real grass at BC Place at whatever astronomical cost.  You're welcome ladies, and you're welcome FIFA!

- signed, the BC taxpayer


/hope the Canadian women can win it all on home turf
 
2014-08-21 10:32:28 PM  

ChrisDe: I'll say one thing for women's soccer, they flop less than the men.


The men would too if they were playing on concrete covered with felt.
And, the World Cup is still going on?
I'd blow into their Vuvuzelas.
 
2014-08-21 11:41:57 PM  
Who cares?
 
2014-08-22 12:23:44 AM  
Natural turf attracts bugs
 
2014-08-22 12:34:31 AM  

Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.


Don't believe they are playing any matches in Toronto...Toronto is prepping for PanAm Games later that summer
 
2014-08-22 01:05:38 AM  

Uzzah: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Modern turf is far superior to grass. I don't get the complaint.

Turf burns are worse than grass burns, and take longer to recover from.
Turf underlayers are usually harder than sod layers, meaning more injuries from bad landings and more wear and tear on ankles/knees.
Turf fields are more likely to have poorly maintained seams and other defects compared to bad conditions on grass fields.

That's all putting aside issues like "the ball plays differently on turf."


Pretty much all of this. Turf burns are awful. I played on a newer turf field this summer that had just been raked/fluffed/whatever they do. It was one of the worst surfaces I've ever played on, and I'm surprised nobody snapped a knee in two.
 
2014-08-22 01:34:39 AM  

drewogatory: Sue FIFA? Over the WWC? Hell, they are lucky they don't make them play on random AYSO fields as it is. And since I'm 99% sure FIFA probably loses money on the whole deal anyway I'm not sure what they think they'll accomplish.


I'm 99% FIFA is making money hand over fist. The Canadian taxpayer however...
 
2014-08-22 01:51:17 AM  

Uzzah: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Modern turf is far superior to grass. I don't get the complaint.

Turf burns are worse than grass burns, and take longer to recover from.
Turf underlayers are usually harder than sod layers, meaning more injuries from bad landings and more wear and tear on ankles/knees.
Turf fields are more likely to have poorly maintained seams and other defects compared to bad conditions on grass fields.

That's all putting aside issues like "the ball plays differently on turf."


So what you are saying is that if they are rolling around on the ground while playing on the turf field, they may actually be injured for real? Honesty in injuries could cripple the sport and how it is played internationally.
 
2014-08-22 05:20:52 AM  

ChrisDe: I'll say one thing for women's soccer, they flop less than the men.


Those sports bras are really well designed, aren't they?
 
2014-08-22 05:52:16 AM  
I'm pretty sure that for the proper World Cup artificial pitches aren't allowed. These women just want to be treated the same way. Artificial pitches are allowed on the mans game though. The pitcc in Moscow (venue of the CL final a few years ago) is artificial.
 
2014-08-22 06:09:37 AM  
Women athletes?   Yes!

Jeez, do I have to do everything?
NSFW-ish

/Not misogyny, gynephilia.
 
2014-08-22 07:20:16 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: tedduck: Daedalus27: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

I don't understand why they can't get decent artificial turf.  I mean hundreds and hundreds of high schools in the US have a quality field to play football and soccer on, is it so hard to get it in Canada?

My experience with turf vs. grass is that a well maintained grass field is better than the best turf field. Those thousands and thousands of high school fields are good enough for high school sports and reduce field costs and are likely to be in better shape than most grass fields, but that doesn't mean they are World Cup soccer worthy.

I was under the impression that field turf (used almost everywhere) was FIFA approved.

Also, no way are you going to convince stadium owners to put grass down for a one off deal.


M&T Bank Stadium (Baltimore Ravens home field) puts down sod whenever they host a soccer friendly. At least 2-3 times in the last 2-3 years.
 
2014-08-22 07:25:53 AM  

Echidnaguy: ChrisDe: I'll say one thing for women's soccer, they flop less than the men.

Those sports bras are really well designed, aren't they?


Nah, the women players are bigger and tougher.  And it is glorious.
 
2014-08-22 08:48:45 AM  
Hoping the USWNT gets a game in Montreal since I think thats the closest to Philly next year. I will be cheering them on this year as they win CONCACAF title here in Philly.
 
2014-08-22 09:11:51 AM  
I want to see them play on circa 1977 Astroturf. The stuff that was barely a step above painted concrete. That's how artificial turf is supposed to be, dammit.
 
2014-08-22 10:09:15 AM  
Turf burns are hell when playing. I have permanent scars on my legs from slide tackling on it during games.

The worst part is the healing process. I would have to cover burns with gauze pads all day because they'd seep. Then, I'd have to sit in the tub for an hour every night to pull the gauze off my legs so I didn't rip the new skin off. Horrible stuff there.

I don't necessarily mind turf, but I'd choose a nice grass field over it 100% of the time.
 
2014-08-22 10:14:05 AM  
To heck with football.  I'm watching women's soccer.

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/Gynephilia FTW!
 
2014-08-22 10:39:18 AM  
I'm calling misogeny on all the grass jokes. You guys are in soooo much trouble.
 
2014-08-22 11:23:50 AM  
i hate artificial turf as much as the next person, so I'm not entirely sure how it's discriminatory...
 
2014-08-22 11:35:39 AM  
There's just no way that this would fly if this were a men's WC being hosted. But, good luck getting Sepp "Women should wear skimpier outfits and people will love their brand of soccer!" Blatter to do anything about it.


That's a long middle name.
 
2014-08-22 11:38:26 AM  

ChrisDe: I'll say one thing for women's soccer, they flop less than the men.


Or maybe they don't foul as hard as men.
 
2014-08-22 12:00:04 PM  

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: There's just no way that this would fly if this were a men's WC being hosted. But, good luck getting Sepp "Women should wear skimpier outfits and people will love their brand of soccer!" Blatter to do anything about it.


Well, that's why they're threatening lawsuits. Everyone knows this wouldn't be allowed for the men's tournament, and FIFA seems to be letting this happen with the women, so the women can argue gender discrimination and sue under Canadian laws. Hopefully the threat this far out is enough to get them to use grass fields.
 
2014-08-22 12:26:38 PM  
Does the turf match the bunting?
 
2014-08-22 12:43:40 PM  
Part of the injury concern is that your cleats are more likely to get 'stuck' in turf, which can cause some really nasty leg injuries. If your plant foot can't move and someone drives through your knee the only way for your leg to take the force is for your knee to come apart.

This is actually magnified in the women's game, where you're more likely to have world-class athletes playing against much slower players, resulting in clumsy tackles. The defender might lunge where they think the ball is, but by the time they execute it Alex Morgan has darted by and they take out the player instead of the ball.

The exact scenario happened to Ali Krieger in an Olympic Qualifying match a few years ago, it took her about a year to recover, which is why this might be a big deal - most of these women have seen it first hand.
 
2014-08-22 01:22:23 PM  
Hope Solo will kick their asses
 
2014-08-22 01:41:33 PM  
Clearly the grass companies didn't offer as high a "FIFA fee" as the artificial turf companies did

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2014-08-22 03:27:03 PM  
Alex Morgan plays on field turf for all her home NWSL games. The German national team keep does as well. Portland's turf is grade 2, one behind EPL grass turf. I don't understand her complaint but she's hot so I'll allow it.

/she and Allie Long are very hot in person too
//running around getting sweaty and they look even hotter
 
2014-08-22 03:55:56 PM  

jjmartin: Part of the injury concern is that your cleats are more likely to get 'stuck' in turf, which can cause some really nasty leg injuries. If your plant foot can't move and someone drives through your knee the only way for your leg to take the force is for your knee to come apart.

This is actually magnified in the women's game, where you're more likely to have world-class athletes playing against much slower players, resulting in clumsy tackles. The defender might lunge where they think the ball is, but by the time they execute it Alex Morgan has darted by and they take out the player instead of the ball


And women are more prone to ACL and other ligament tears than men.  Really think turf is a bad idea.

/Not misogyny, science.
 
2014-08-22 05:20:54 PM  

Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.


BMO Field in Toronto has been natural grass for years. Can't speak for any other sites in TO, though.
 
2014-08-22 07:21:29 PM  

maniacalclown: Trocadero: It's Canadia, they're lucky it isn't on ice. That said, the Toronto field is farking awful. Other turf fields aren't that bad, dunno why that one is so terrible.

BMO Field in Toronto has been natural grass for years. Can't speak for any other sites in TO, though.


I looked last night.  Toronto doesn't have any games.  From what I can remember...

Vancouver (BC Place) - field turf, used by the BC Lions (CFL) and Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)
Edmonton (Commonwealth Stadium) - field turf used by the Edmonton Eskimos (CFL)
Winnipeg (Investors Group Field) - field turf used by the Winnipeg blue Bombers (CFL)
Ottawa (TD Field) - field turf used by the Ottawa REDBLACKS (CFL), possible MLS in the future
Montreal (Olympic Stadium) - field turf used not for much really also closed roof
Moncton (Moncton stadium) - grass

Other than Moncton and Montreal the other stadiums are used mostly for CFL football (Vancouver has both CFL and MLS).  they won't flip these over to grass (Commonwealth stadium used to be grass) because of this tournament.  As far as I know none of these surfaces are more than 4 years old as well so they should all be in good shape.
 
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