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(Mother Nature Network)   Those imported bananas from Romania might not be as organic as they're advertised   (mnn.com) divider line 40
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2014-08-21 10:32:43 AM  
He alarmed me when he explained that organic certifiers are not only paid by the organic farmers/companies to certify their products but also that it's a competitive field.

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2014-08-21 11:56:44 AM  
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2014-08-21 11:59:17 AM  

blatz514: He alarmed me when he explained that organic certifiers are not only paid by the organic farmers/companies to certify their products but also that it's a competitive field.

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I personally like the pun more than the "You don't say".
 
2014-08-21 11:59:31 AM  
I'm picturing someone with a slavic accent like Marcus Kincaid saying: "Ya sure, sure is organic,  you can eat right?  Then is perfectly organic."

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2014-08-21 12:00:13 PM  
I hear Hemlock is a good organic garnish.
 
2014-08-21 12:00:48 PM  
Well since the label "organic" doesn't actually mean anything, then yea sure they're organic. At least in the sense that they were once alive.
 
2014-08-21 12:02:56 PM  
Romania grows bananas?
 
2014-08-21 12:06:23 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?


Global warming man....
 
2014-08-21 12:07:59 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?


That was my thought
 
2014-08-21 12:09:05 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Well since the label "organic" doesn't actually mean anything, then yea sure they're organic. At least in the sense that they were once alive.


There are FDA regulations that determine if something can be labeled organic or not. However, that still is a far cry from determining if something is actually healthy or better for the environment. It's a marketing label mostly, but you still have to do or not do certain things to get that dubious benefit.
 
2014-08-21 12:13:02 PM  

meat0918: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?

Global warming man....


Is he related to Aquaman?
 
2014-08-21 12:14:21 PM  
"Romanian Banana" must have an UrbanDictionary entry.
 
2014-08-21 12:14:22 PM  

ChuckRoddy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Well since the label "organic" doesn't actually mean anything, then yea sure they're organic. At least in the sense that they were once alive.

There are FDA regulations that determine if something can be labeled organic or not. However, that still is a far cry from determining if something is actually healthy or better for the environment. It's a marketing label mostly, but you still have to do or not do certain things to get that dubious benefit.


There is some merit to some techniques utilized more by organic than conventional farmers.

Nitrogen fixing cover crops for instance.  Not strictly organic of course, and the trick is you have to spend less on the cover crop and mowing it down plus figure in soil loss,etc. than just spraying Haber-Process ammonia based fertilizer on your fields.
 
2014-08-21 12:16:08 PM  

tricycleracer: "Romanian Banana" must have an UrbanDictionary entry.


We call it a double frogman around here.
 
2014-08-21 12:17:35 PM  
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2014-08-21 12:17:48 PM  
"He pointed out that organic foods didn't even originate in the U.S."

Why would anyone think that it did?
 
2014-08-21 12:20:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?

That was my thought


I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that bananas required a certain type of soil, one which doesn't hold moisture and nutrients for long. In other words, porous.
 
2014-08-21 12:22:43 PM  
Atleast the fertilizer is 100% organic. Gypsy shiat is organic.
 
2014-08-21 12:25:33 PM  
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2014-08-21 12:26:59 PM  
I never buy moon rocks in the local chain grocery produce section, only at the pop-up Farmers Market® where Tatooed Bob says they're harvested fresh. They throw in magic beans for free.

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2014-08-21 12:27:11 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?


Yep.

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/actually they are one of the biggest exporters of maize in the EU
 
2014-08-21 12:34:18 PM  

meat0918: ChuckRoddy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Well since the label "organic" doesn't actually mean anything, then yea sure they're organic. At least in the sense that they were once alive.

There are FDA regulations that determine if something can be labeled organic or not. However, that still is a far cry from determining if something is actually healthy or better for the environment. It's a marketing label mostly, but you still have to do or not do certain things to get that dubious benefit.

There is some merit to some techniques utilized more by organic than conventional farmers.

Nitrogen fixing cover crops for instance.  Not strictly organic of course, and the trick is you have to spend less on the cover crop and mowing it down plus figure in soil loss,etc. than just spraying Haber-Process ammonia based fertilizer on your fields.


True, as well as not all conventional techniques are effective/necessary as well. The issue is that the organic label is a broad set of rules that don't really use science to see if something is healthier/better for the environment. I like my gmo hybrid tomatoes picked fresh off the vine rather than injected with dye to make it look red, and they'll taste better than anything I could by that isn't from a market across the street grown by a neighbor.

The issue becomes even sillier when you talk about importing organic food. Well, commercial food does all that odd stuff so that the food survives the journey in both time, distance and bruising. What's the point of paying for organic if it's not even fresh? That vine ripened tomato will be mush if you try shipping it through New Orleans to New York, which is why they just dye it red and ship one that's expected to ripen for real on the way.
You can also have a locally grown but not organic farm be greener than an organic farm that requires transporting it from hundred of miles away.
 
2014-08-21 12:34:20 PM  
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2014-08-21 12:34:51 PM  
Maybe if you impale them first.
 
2014-08-21 12:39:44 PM  
Relevant SMBC
 
2014-08-21 12:47:49 PM  
...they're not even vegan...

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2014-08-21 12:49:59 PM  
Do they contain carbon? Yes? Then they're organic. Next headline.
 
2014-08-21 12:55:55 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Do they contain carbon? Yes? Then they're organic. Next headline.


 a  homonym is, in the strict sense, one of a group of words that share the same pronunciation but may have different meanings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homonym
 
2014-08-21 01:04:16 PM  
Does it look like crap and rot before you get it home? Then it's organic.

I feel the same way about organic food fraud as I think of art fraud... it helps the economy by getting money away from fools who obviously have too much of it.
 
2014-08-21 01:08:41 PM  
So what! Us 'mericans just want to know if they're gluten free!
 
2014-08-21 01:10:27 PM  
Organic bananas are pointless anyway. Most fruits/veggies with a skin that you discard gives you very little benefit from buying organic.

hitlersbrain: Does it look like crap and rot before you get it home? Then it's organic.

I feel the same way about organic food fraud as I think of art fraud... it helps the economy by getting money away from fools who obviously have too much of it.


No, wrong. Enjoy your pesticides though.
 
2014-08-21 01:14:45 PM  
Relax all organic foods are as legit carbon offsets.
 
2014-08-21 01:15:59 PM  
However, Laufer didn't uncover much evidence in his book that there was a lot of fraud (though he remains convinced that there is).

So his theory was that organic labeling from foreign sources is fraud.  Then he proved himself wrong.  But doesn't believe his own information.
 
2014-08-21 01:46:16 PM  

ChuckRoddy: meat0918: ChuckRoddy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Well since the label "organic" doesn't actually mean anything, then yea sure they're organic. At least in the sense that they were once alive.

There are FDA regulations that determine if something can be labeled organic or not. However, that still is a far cry from determining if something is actually healthy or better for the environment. It's a marketing label mostly, but you still have to do or not do certain things to get that dubious benefit.

There is some merit to some techniques utilized more by organic than conventional farmers.

Nitrogen fixing cover crops for instance.  Not strictly organic of course, and the trick is you have to spend less on the cover crop and mowing it down plus figure in soil loss,etc. than just spraying Haber-Process ammonia based fertilizer on your fields.

True, as well as not all conventional techniques are effective/necessary as well. The issue is that the organic label is a broad set of rules that don't really use science to see if something is healthier/better for the environment. I like my gmo hybrid tomatoes picked fresh off the vine rather than injected with dye to make it look red, and they'll taste better than anything I could by that isn't from a market across the street grown by a neighbor.

The issue becomes even sillier when you talk about importing organic food. Well, commercial food does all that odd stuff so that the food survives the journey in both time, distance and bruising. What's the point of paying for organic if it's not even fresh? That vine ripened tomato will be mush if you try shipping it through New Orleans to New York, which is why they just dye it red and ship one that's expected to ripen for real on the way.
You can also have a locally grown but not organic farm be greener than an organic farm that requires transporting it from hundred of miles away.


I choose local over distance when I can.  I did have a laugh that a "local farm stand" was selling Avocados... in Oregon.  They are not local.  Where I live, 95% of the food we grow is exported, and we import 95% of the food we consume.  Granted, we don't have the processing places to can or freeze the produce, but that's slowly changing.

I've never heard of them using dye on tomatoes before though, but then again, I grow my own in the summer, and can the excess, and have given up on any tomatoes from the store.  Sadly, I lost 2 jars in the hot water bath last night, the bottom popped off.  Much sadness was had by all in the household:(, but I digress.

By the by, I hope the GMO hybrid tomato was sarcasm.  There are no commercially available GMO tomatoes, and hybrid isn't GMO.  I'm an extreme pedant when it comes to this subject, so my apologies for being Debbie Downer.  Food is one of the few things I get worked up about, and the amount of FUD used to convince people they are buying the wrong food is staggering.
 
2014-08-21 01:50:05 PM  
Organic means, as must be obvious to any moran with a brain, made out of organs.
Bananas are a berry. They are not made out of tripe, or kidneys or liver or anything like that. So: they are not organic.
Now I'm hungry for a nice juicy hammond kidney pie.
 
2014-08-21 01:50:56 PM  
What an inorganic banana may look like:

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2014-08-21 03:28:57 PM  

spawn73: "He pointed out that organic foods didn't even originate in the U.S."

Why would anyone think that it did?


Because the earth is 238 yrs old.

dolphinsgonwild: So what! Us 'mericans just want to know if they're gluten free!


Exactly, I'm on a diet.
 
2014-08-21 03:34:34 PM  

nocturnal001: Organic bananas are pointless anyway. Most fruits/veggies with a skin that you discard gives you very little benefit from buying organic.

hitlersbrain: Does it look like crap and rot before you get it home? Then it's organic.

I feel the same way about organic food fraud as I think of art fraud... it helps the economy by getting money away from fools who obviously have too much of it.

No, wrong. Enjoy your pesticides though.


It's perfectly legal and common to spray organic crops with pesticides, they just have to be non-synthetic pesticides. Which is a questionable whether it's any better than synthetic pesticides.
 
2014-08-21 04:43:15 PM  

meat0918: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Romania grows bananas?

Global warming man....

Those go great with my Alaska pineapples and Siberian coconuts

 
2014-08-21 07:59:26 PM  

nocturnal001: Organic bananas are pointless anyway. Most fruits/veggies with a skin that you discard gives you very little benefit from buying organic.

hitlersbrain: Does it look like crap and rot before you get it home? Then it's organic.

I feel the same way about organic food fraud as I think of art fraud... it helps the economy by getting money away from fools who obviously have too much of it.

No, wrong. Enjoy your pesticides though.


Organic does not mean pesticide free.
 
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