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(Huffington Post)   Mitch McConnell on climate change: "Each side has their scientists." This is technically true, as there are three ExxonMobil chemists on one side and tens of thousands of climate scientists on the other   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 164
    More: Asinine, Mitch McConnell, Kentucky Secretary of State, Party leaders of the United States Senate, coal-fired power station, Kentucky Republican  
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2014-08-20 03:33:54 PM  
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2014-08-20 03:37:01 PM  
No Mitch, one side has scientists and one side has paid shills.
 
2014-08-20 03:38:50 PM  
static.businessinsider.com
 
2014-08-20 04:05:16 PM  
Hey I mean whoever has the money and power makes the truth. Everyone knows that.
 
2014-08-20 04:05:23 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-20 04:06:35 PM  
I have a feeling that 100 years from now humanity is gonna be all like "Why didn't you just up and shoot those motherfarkers? For reals?"
 
2014-08-20 04:07:44 PM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-20 04:07:49 PM  
I keep finding Creationists in the oil company chemistry departments.
 
2014-08-20 04:08:02 PM  
Mitch, if I get some scientists to say that you might survive jumping off the Empire State Building would you do it?

This isn't as cut-and-dried as it sounds. I believe someone once survived a fall from many thousands of feet. So, technically, I'm not suggesting that Mitch kill himself.
 
2014-08-20 04:09:11 PM  
Are we STILL in the blame-assigning stage? Please, just move ON.
 
2014-08-20 04:09:36 PM  
Way to weasel out of stating your position, you pathetic, Koch-sucking excuse for a "public servant".

Anyway, warmer weather is good for turtles, so why would he care?
 
2014-08-20 04:10:15 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 640x435]


You know, from a p-value perspective, you'd think the red slice would be larger, out of pure random chance.
 
2014-08-20 04:11:12 PM  
There's less debate among scientists over global warming than there is about gravity.  And since none of us are randomly flying off into space...
 
2014-08-20 04:12:59 PM  
"Each side has their scientists, and they can all go in and argue,"

They do.  They have.  The ones you're pulling for lost.

How does someone seriously look at all the factories, chemicals, pollution, cars, and crap we've put on this planet and come to the conclusion "Nah, this'll never affect anything."?  We've set rivers on fire.  We've got garbage patches the size of states in every ocean.  We've got smog so bad you can see it from space.

i.dailymail.co.uk

If this was teenaged Mitch's room, his mother wouldn't let him out until he cleaned it up!
 
2014-08-20 04:13:00 PM  
This is the same exact thing that happened during the "smoking debate". They said he "science wasn't in" and "scientists disagree" because the smoking industry had a handful of their paid off scientists.
 
2014-08-20 04:14:06 PM  

palelizard: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 640x435]

You know, from a p-value perspective, you'd think the red slice would be larger, out of pure random chance.


It's not a random process. Data points have to be manually moved from the black to the red, via large amounts of money. Even then, there's a lot of resistance to overcome.
 
2014-08-20 04:15:22 PM  
FTFA: The Kentucky Republican spoke more directly on the matter in March, when he told the editorial board of the Cincinnati Enquirer that he didn't believe in climate change science at all. "For everybody who thinks it's warming, I can find somebody who thinks it isn't," he said.

At first, I thought we had him with this, but then I noticed how politically-phrased the underlined part is. He's obfuscating with vague pronouns, suggesting that he means "For every scientist who thinks it's warming, I can find another scientist who thinks it isn't," when in actuality he's saying "For every scientist who thinks it's warming, I can find some dipsh#t hillbilly or coal executive who thinks it isn't."

And given that he's from Kentucky, I imagine he's correct.
 
2014-08-20 04:15:52 PM  
The Denialist side has the signatures of about 30,000 scientists if you count undergrads, engineers, right-wing medical doctors, petroleum geologists, weather girls, and former right-wing nuclear bomb-makers as scientists.
 
2014-08-20 04:18:19 PM  

brantgoose: The Denialist side has the signatures of about 30,000 scientists if you count undergrads, engineers, right-wing medical doctors, petroleum geologists, weather girls, and former right-wing nuclear bomb-makers as scientists.


So nobody.
 
2014-08-20 04:19:27 PM  

Corvus: This is the same exact thing that happened during the "smoking debate". They said he "science wasn't in" and "scientists disagree" because the smoking industry had a handful of their paid off scientists.


Following the analogy I wonder what the size of the climate change lawsuit payouts against the energy companies that funded these shills will be in a few decades time - possibly in the trillions maybe?

/obviously the CEOs, shills, and investors will have long since moved on and don't give a damn what the outcome will be a few years down the line, the next quarters P&L is as far into the future as there is any reason to ever look nowadays
 
2014-08-20 04:19:52 PM  
Well technically there ARE two teams on the court..... but I don't think there's any confusion over who's the one you should be betting your life on.

www.dontdodumbthings.com
 
2014-08-20 04:19:57 PM  
 Me: "Hey dad, when you're sick you see a doctor, right?"

 "Yes."

 "When you need someone to diagnose the weird noise your car is making, you see a mechanic?"

 "Yes."

 "When you wanted to learn mathematics, you paid tuition and listened to professors, yes?"

 "Uh-huh."

 "So why the hell do you consult Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on the issue of climate change?"

 "........"
 
2014-08-20 04:20:46 PM  
Why are US Senators dumber than the Congress critters in "The Marching Morons"? Can't a satirist make an honest living in peace without reality constantly outrunning the most egregious wackiness satirists can dream up?

And is it too soon to colonize Venus? I don't think so.
 
2014-08-20 04:24:53 PM  

xria: Following the analogy I wonder what the size of the climate change lawsuit payouts against the energy companies that funded these shills will be in a few decades time - possibly in the trillions maybe?


I wish, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
2014-08-20 04:26:04 PM  
I work at NASA in Houston and they have a ton of climate change deniers with PhDs here.

It is really sad sad sad.
 
2014-08-20 04:28:02 PM  
I think at this point, Republicans are hoping for a huge volcanic eruption to save them from liberals.

So, here ya go
static.ddmcdn.com
http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/icelands-bigg es t-volcano-rumbles-threatens-flights-140820.htm
 
2014-08-20 04:30:05 PM  
SCIENCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

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2014-08-20 04:31:00 PM  

make me some tea: I think at this point, Republicans are hoping for a huge volcanic eruption to save them from liberals.

So, here ya go
[static.ddmcdn.com image 670x440]
http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/icelands-bigg es t-volcano-rumbles-threatens-flights-140820.htm


Republicans don't believe in volcanoes either.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/25/jindal.volcanoes/
 
2014-08-20 04:31:57 PM  

Karac: "Each side has their scientists, and they can all go in and argue,"

They do.  They have.  The ones you're pulling for lost.

How does someone seriously look at all the factories, chemicals, pollution, cars, and crap we've put on this planet and come to the conclusion "Nah, this'll never affect anything."?  We've set rivers on fire.  We've got garbage patches the size of states in every ocean.  We've got smog so bad you can see it from space.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x1041]

If this was teenaged Mitch's room, his mother wouldn't let him out until he cleaned it up!


That's in China man, we're talking about 'Murica here!
 
2014-08-20 04:33:27 PM  

brantgoose: Why are US Senators dumber than the Congress critters in "The Marching Morons"? Can't a satirist make an honest living in peace without reality constantly outrunning the most egregious wackiness satirists can dream up?

And is it too soon to colonize Venus? I don't think so.


I appreciate being turned on to literature and all, but you could have just said Idiocracy.

// almost everyone here knows Idiocracy
// probably less than 1 in 10 of them knows what it was based on (I'm assuming Judge based his telling of an incredibly similar story on The Marching Morons)
 
2014-08-20 04:34:23 PM  
Stop trying to stop climate change deniers. We're number one in global climate change deniers... and not much of anything else. USA! USA!
 
2014-08-20 04:37:23 PM  

Corvus: This is the same exact thing that happened during the "smoking debate". They said he "science wasn't in" and "scientists disagree" because the smoking industry had a handful of their paid off scientists.


I take it you've read Merchants of Doubt then? I'm about a third of the way through it and it's frustrating to read

/Huh, looks like they even made a movie out of it
 
2014-08-20 04:39:55 PM  
For everybody who thinks it's warming, I can find somebody who thinks it isn't," he said.

You mean the multi-million dollar disinformation campaign the big energy concerns have funded for years has muddied the waters of this debate to the point where millions of people believe absolute bullshiat or don't know what to believe at all?

A systemic denial of science that has been encouraged every step of the way by the Greedy Oil Party and trumpeted non-stop by the vast RW propaganda noise machine?

Well, knock me over with a feather.

Trickier proposition.

For every actual scientist I get who acknowledges the reality of AGW/CC you find me one that doesn't.

See who runs out first.

I'll even let you have every paid off pseudo-scientist you can find cos otherwise this game would be over in seconds.
 
2014-08-20 04:40:30 PM  

Corvus: This is the same exact thing that happened during the "smoking debate". They said he "science wasn't in" and "scientists disagree" because the smoking industry had a handful of their paid off scientists.


And lead in gasoline.
 
2014-08-20 04:40:52 PM  
I'd like to thank the Human activity from 10,000 years ago that caused the global warming that melted the mile of Ice that existed where I currently live.
 
2014-08-20 04:42:46 PM  

theknuckler_33: And lead in gasoline.


They even fought CFC  bans until they developed a non ozone depleting replacement.
 
2014-08-20 04:42:51 PM  
go fark yourself mcconnel, you literal piece of human garbage
 
2014-08-20 04:44:42 PM  
The Republicans: Making the same arguments about alternative energy since the 70s, the same arguments about LGBT people since the 80s, and the same arguments about global warming since the 90s.
 
2014-08-20 04:45:01 PM  

MrBallou: palelizard: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 640x435]

You know, from a p-value perspective, you'd think the red slice would be larger, out of pure random chance.

It's not a random process. Data points have to be manually moved from the black to the red, via large amounts of money. Even then, there's a lot of resistance to overcome.


Harmonizing statistical quirks ain't cheap!
 
2014-08-20 04:46:02 PM  

palelizard: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 640x435]

You know, from a p-value perspective, you'd think the red slice would be larger, out of pure random chance.


That depends on the size of the effect and the independence of the sampled data.
 
2014-08-20 04:47:16 PM  

revrendjim: No Mitch, one side has scientists and one side has paid shills.


Yes, that would be the scientists that support man made global climate change.
 
2014-08-20 04:47:37 PM  

maniacbastard: I work at NASA in Houston and they have a ton of climate change deniers with PhDs here.

It is really sad sad sad.


you're doing it wrong.  you need to deny that there are educated deniers.
 
2014-08-20 04:48:26 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: and the same arguments about global warming since the 90s.


Not even, this was Reagan's delay tactic in the 80s when the first IPCC reports came out. Demanding more reports before any action. The 90s argument was it was too costly, shooting down Clinton's proposed BTU tax.
 
2014-08-20 04:48:55 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 640x435]


It would be fair and balanced to threat them equally.

And really, we should give more weight to the minority.  We love underdog stories.
 
2014-08-20 04:48:59 PM  
So, Mitch McConnell doesn't believe the Al Gore version of Global Warming? He has a brain after all
 
2014-08-20 04:49:03 PM  
And yrt it's still not human caused. All the data is from a relatively cool period in earth history. We have had no ice caps before. http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
 
2014-08-20 04:50:24 PM  
"No, Mr. Mcconnell, you have the support of the American Enterprise Institute (the P.O. box in Potomac that provided Junk Science segments on Fox News and got it's start denying the link between tobacco and lung cancer, you have the OISM (which provides instructional homeschooling kits and preys on seniles,) and you have industry shills."

What you do not have is the support of any scientist working in the area you're talking about.
 
2014-08-20 04:51:41 PM  

lordjupiter: There's less debate among scientists over global warming than there is about gravity.  And since none of us are randomly flying off into space...


Speak for yoursellllllllllllllllllllllllllllfffffffffff!
 
2014-08-20 04:52:32 PM  

Karac: "Each side has their scientists, and they can all go in and argue,"

They do.  They have.  The ones you're pulling for lost.

How does someone seriously look at all the factories, chemicals, pollution, cars, and crap we've put on this planet and come to the conclusion "Nah, this'll never affect anything."?  We've set rivers on fire.  We've got garbage patches the size of states in every ocean.  We've got smog so bad you can see it from space.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x1041]

If this was teenaged Mitch's room, his mother wouldn't let him out until he cleaned it up!


That is a local issue.  The net effect on global climate is 0.  If you want to decrease smog in that area, the locals will have to deal with that.
 
2014-08-20 04:53:11 PM  

RobertBruce: We have had no ice caps before. http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm


And during those times we had the Mississippi Sea, that would engulf a lion's share of the US's ag production. Would prefer to not have that happen again now that we have infrastructure there and have the forethought to do something about it.
 
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